The Nineteenth Byte

PyGamer0

16:00

schools

user

No

Tuitions bad

PyGamer0

colleges

user

Especially for primary school

Radvylf Programs

I'm personally against private grade schools existing in the first place

As for colleges, my opinions are mixed

user

@PyGamer0 for colleges, tuitions still bad but I’m okay with colleges with very low tuitions

Which literally no good ones have

@RadvylfPrograms mMay i ask why?

Ginger

16:02

just noticed it's 4/20

@RadvylfPrograms can you go to the game room?

Radvylf Programs

1. Many are religious in nature, and I think religion should be separate from education
2. It reinforces class disparities
3. Private schools aren't subject to the same oversights, and especially for-profit ones have the option of putting profit above the students

caird coinheringaahing

Just realised that one of my [decision-problem] Sandbox questions can be answered by lambda _: True :/

Ginger

@cairdcoinheringaahing lambda _:1

I think that's pretty much as short as possible

Bgil Midol

@Ginger a=>1

caird coinheringaahing

print(1)

Ginger

16:14

makina, 1 byte: r

Bgil Midol

Polygot, 1 byte: 1

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Q: Repeat List Until Longer

The Challenge The challenge is simple: given an input list a and another list b, repeat a until it is longer than b. Call the repeated list ra. Then the following condition must hold true: len(b) < len(ra) <= len(b) + len(a). That is, a must not be repeated more than is required. Sample Python Im...

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Q: Draw the Ukrainian Flag

As you will probably know, there is a war going on in Ukraine. I noticed that it seems nobody has posted a Ukrainian flag challenge yet, so I thought I'd do it myself in support of Ukraine. The Challenge Here is the flag: The flag is divided horizontally across the middle into two equally sized...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity graphical-output

Ginger

uh wot

bounty acquired

ya know, that challenge is pretty darn close to 100 upvotes

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, it's our biggest challenge in ages

Ginger

look at this! Tiny little Ginger did this!

Radvylf Programs

16:17

Can't wait to see how many votes we get on our next current events challenge, "Write a ballistic missile interceptor in as few bytes as possible and HURRY"

Ginger

> Draw the flag of the Russian Territory of Ukraine

Radvylf Programs

Nah, Ukraine's handling Russia incredibly well

I wouldn't be surprised if they gain territory at the end of this

Ginger

I actually haven't checked the wikipedia page in a while

probably because it's massive

Radvylf Programs

Wikipedia's going to be too far behind

Ginger

they're trying

there are probably like 5 people sitting around all day watching news sites for updates to put into wikipedia

Radvylf Programs

16:20

Russia just started a pretty major thing in the Donbas a few days ago IIRC

So they've been gaining territory

Ginger

uh oh

Radvylf Programs

Well, only a matter of time before the same thing happens here that's happened over and over again

Ginger

it's time to Do It All Over Again

Radvylf Programs

Ukraine takes it back and Russia has to safely evacuate all of their washing machines

Ginger

Ukraine takes it back and Russia has to ~~safely~~ evacuate all of their washing machines

Romanp

16:23

In reality, Ukraine's probably not getting out of it with Donbass. I think it's likely they lose the two "autonomous republics" because that seems to be the limit of what Russia really cares about, but I would be surprised if there was any other outcome. Russia is just that much bigger and has a military that will win in the long run (even if for now it's closer to even). Maybe just being too pessimistic, but IDK.

Radvylf Programs

I think that's more realistic, yeah

It'll have to end via negotiations I think, and giving Russia Donbas is probably going to be necessary

cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-20-22/… :(

Radvylf Programs

17:49

Ooh, I made a language that adds macros and scoping to SPDT, and the transpiler worked first try

Ginger

cool

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Q: Get the trends of an array

For our purposes, there are three types of trends: increasing, e.g. [1,2,3,10,239] decreasing, e.g. [8,5,0,-3,-50] stable, e.g. [7,7,7,7] Note that [1,1,2,3] is not a valid trend. It can be broken up into a stable trend [1,1] and an increasing trend [1,2,3]. In the event an array has more than ...

code-golf array

Bgil Midol

Final feedback?

Ginger

18:08

been advertising campfire in a bunch of other chatrooms

Radvylf Programs

I made a half-adder using my SPDT compiler!

p 0
t 0 1
t 0 2
t 0 3
r 1 0 9 10
r 2 6 10 9
r 6 0 11 12
r 3 5 12 11
r 1 0 13 14
r 2 14 13 7
r 6 0 15 16
r 3 16 15 8
r 7 0 17 4
r 8 0 17 4
l 4
l 5

Ginger

._.

finally a language that combines the unreadability of makina with the instruction set of brainfuck

/s

Radvylf Programs

radvylfprograms.com/spdt/c

t 0 1
t 0 2
t 0 c

addc 1 2 c o1 o2

l o1
l o2

and i i2 o:
    r i 0 - c
    r i2 c - o

or i i2 o:
    r i 0 - o
    r i2 0 - o

xor i i2 o:
    r i 0 1 2
    r i2 o 2 1

add i i2 o1 o2:
    and i i2 o1
    xor i i2 o2

addc i i2 c o1 o2:
    xor i i2 x
    xor x c o2
    and i i2 a
    and x c a2
    or a a2 o1

^ This is what SPDT-c looks like

I wonder what the Hello, World should look like

I could have 8 lights, and make it display the character values for Hello, World! one at a time, I suppose

des54321

18:32

thats a horrible way to display hello world

alternative: morse code for hello world

Radvylf Programs

First SPDT answer: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/246406/79857

Ginger

yey

Ginger

18:46

tfw campfire is being ddosed

Bgil Midol

The repl is too popular

Radvylf Programs

If you go around spamming people's chats with it, then it's free reign for them

Ginger

fair enough

time to add flask-ipban

Bgil Midol

whats that?

Radvylf Programs

Lemme guess, a random library? :p

Ginger

18:49

package to block IP addresses

yup, sure is!

because that's how we do

seems replit finally detected DDOS and shut the repl down

> This Repl is really popular! Try again soon.

Bgil Midol

> Hmmmm.... We Couldn't Reach Your Repl! Make sure your repl has a port open and is ready to receive HTTP traffic.

Radvylf Programs

I think I've found a term for your coding style:

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/duct-tape-coding

Ginger

lmao

correct.

my software is held together by duct tape and bad hacks

Radvylf Programs

My coding style is more "don't let anything from the outside touch it because it has too many es"

Ginger

okay, we're back

des54321

18:58

hold on I need to test some SE formatting, what does this do: `````

oh beautiful, not what i expected

` ``` `

hm

```

alright

Adám

@des54321 Please use the sandbox room for testing.

des54321

oh thank you, I was not aware that room existed

Adám

No worries.

Bgil Midol

19:19

campfire is down again :(

Ginger

IK

fixed it

I am a person

I can't believe it!

I'm back on the nineteenth byte!

Radvylf Programs

Hi!

I am a person

It's been a year... but eh, who's counting?

Ginger

wb!

I am a person

19:23

last time ive been on this website

was a year ago

makes me feel old

pxeger

CMC: Write a Haskell function with the type signature Monad m => (a -> b -> c) -> m a -> b -> m c

allxy

@hyper-neutrino ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException

pxeger

>>> len("The Twentieth Byte")
18

Hmm

Ginger

sus

Seggan

in king-of-the-hill challenges, how do you guys keep an "always attack" strategy from winning? in my koth king of the ziggurat, i sadly found out that an "always attack" strat consistently wins, even when other bots on average have more strength

Bgil Midol

19:37

@Seggan make attack cost health

Seggan

there is no health

attacks already cost strength

Bgil Midol

cost more strength

allxy

@RadvylfPrograms sameish lol

Bgil Midol

@Seggan make attacks become weaker over time

or maybe an energy variable

allxy

@RadvylfPrograms Might be better as a graphical UI

allxy

20:01

Wow I'm stupid

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Q: Can you decrypt me?

Can you decrypt me? Cops Cops, post obfuscated code that hides a number \$n\$ inside its code. If \$n\$ condchars are changed, the program outputs \$n\$. Otherwise, it outputs a different number. Both programs may not error.

cops-and-robbers obfuscation

Radvylf Programs

@Seggan It depends a lot on the KotH

Seggan

@allxy were you spying on our convo 😒

@RadvylfPrograms This one

Radvylf Programs

E.g., Gold Farmer KotH

One solution would be making attacks cost something

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Q: Can you decrypt me? (Robbers)

Robbers Find the chars to change and what they should change into. Example print(2) N is 1. Robbers' post: print(1) Scoring Robbers, the user with the most cracks wins.

cops-and-robbers

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms This was meant to be sent before the previous message

Seggan

20:24

they already cost 10% strength

Radvylf Programs

Mostly the solution is just playing a few games on a sheet of paper and trying all of the extremist strategies and making any necessary changes based on how it plays out

Okay I think MIT is on drugs

Dang it that screenshot did not work properly

Romanp

yeah, they probably are.

Radvylf Programs

allxy

This is great

The beavers are just lol

Radvylf Programs

I'm not sure if that email makes me want to go to MIT more or...wait yeah just that one lol

Romanp

20:38

You a HS sophomore?

Radvylf Programs

yeah

Romanp

cool

user

21:23

I love how companies try so hard to make themselves more appealing to their customers by acting like their target audience's generation

@lyxal I've seen optimistic time estimates before, but those were usually like 3 minutes for a 1 hour download, not negative

user

21:36

@RadvylfPrograms I mean, 1 and 3 could be fixed with stricter regulations on private schools, while 2 could be fixed by just bringing public schools to the same level as elite private schools

Unrelated String

@RadvylfPrograms mit is on so many drugs

@Seggan if you move up then lose a fight you're only worse off by 20% strength rounded down than if you stayed on the same level and avoided a fight

and if you move up and win a fight the advantage is obvious

Jo King

@user oh man, this reminds me of how fucked the funding policies for private schools are in australia

Unrelated String

it's still probably possible to make pathing that beats the default attackbot by some margin

Seggan

@UnrelatedString hmm good point

@UnrelatedString ive had an idea that make strength regeneration active, not passive, so you can't move and regen at the same time

allxy

@Seggan That'd just make Crab even more powerful lol

Unrelated String

21:47

as it is building strength is weak since you can always lose a fight and if you win with a lot of strength you lose more than if you lose without much

Seggan

can you rephrase that?

@allxy what if i made different regen rates at different levels? ;)

allxy

You can often lose more strength from winning a fight than from losing it

@Seggan That's interesting

Unrelated String

^

allxy

Have you tried running it with Crab yet?

Seggan

Crab == AttackBot example

Unrelated String

21:49

if the winner of a fight has 20 strength and the loser has 4 the winner loses 2 and the loser loses none

Seggan

AttackBot won 100% of the time

@UnrelatedString yeah, im rounding up now

Unrelated String

with enough bots at the very least attackbot should be marginally beat by a version of attackbot that doesn't take fights at the lowest elevation :P

Radvylf Programs

@user Well sure, if private schools were considerably different than they are now I'd be considerably more fine with them :p

Government idea: You can buy and sell "government points", and you get a certain fraction of a vote in congress equal to your number of points. When the government makes lots of money through taxes and foreign trade, the points cost more, and so you have an incentive to use your votes to make the points cost more and sell them for free money. Anyone can buy points in a government, and it's typically mostly people from another country, or even other countries' governments.

user

I see no way this could go wrong

Romanp

22:04

I thought about that at one point, but I feel like corruption is really easy to happen there.

But I guess as long as government powers are limited to war and international commerce, it doesn't really matter (if they don't run anything else).

Radvylf Programs

The joke is that this is exactly how corporations work

And it goes horribly

Romanp

yeah

But the government is already just a corporation, just with bribes and unions instead of shareholders

Radvylf Programs

Like, I don't know who came up with the idea of the corporation as they exist today but it's wack

Romanp

so is it much different?

Radvylf Programs

Yes, very

It's easy to say "government's just a corporation with lots of bribes and stuff" but that's very far from the truth

It disguises all of the very nuanced and bad problems as obvious, still bad ones

Romanp

22:07

True

It's just that the goal isn't to accurately represent the constituents, it's to perpetuate the bureaucracy and enrich themselves (while still looking good enough to get reelected), so both are similar in motives.

Usually

Radvylf Programs

I just find it completely ridiculous how people just assume our method of doing corporations is right and good and stuff because it's what's there, when it's a really wack way to do economics, even as capitalism goes

Unrelated String

@pxeger struggling to (semi-)pointfree this 19-byter without maybe doing something to the argument order (also it supports general functors instead of just monads)

Romanp

Yeah, it has a lot of problems. I believe that as long as antitrust laws are in place and actually enforced, a system based on standard trading rules could and should work, but what we have right now are pretty much conglomerates that control everything.

allxy

@UnrelatedString # = flip . ((<$>) .) . flip ((<$>) . flip id)

pointfree.io go brr

Unrelated String

that doesn't seem like an improvement

Radvylf Programs

22:11

Personally, I think worker co-ops in place of corporations would solve basically every major problem with capitalism

Romanp

It would, as long as they are properly set up so one group can't seize power.

Radvylf Programs

An entity which prioritizes profit, and nothing but, is just not a sustainable idea IMO

There's a fundamental difference in the ideologies behind them I think.

Romanp

I think it can be, but IFF the company's prioritization of profit is set up so that it also fulfills the other goals as a necessity. For example, if a company was forced to release far more information, even if they prioritized profits, they would be far less willing to bend the rules if they could be caught. That doesn't solve every case, of course, but I think it's about setting up the reward system to reward the right things via profits.

Unrelated String

got it to still 19 without b

Radvylf Programs

While a corporation is based around capital, around the people making more money having more of a say, co-ops are what they sound like: an entity that aims to allow its workers to cooperate to make more money together. You can't run a coal mine or a grocery store chain as a single individual, you need an organized group, and whatever type of firm is used should prioritize that labor-based approach instead of a capital-based one.

Romanp

22:16

They seem great for a product-based economy, but I worry about them for services.

Radvylf Programs

Another benefit is that, since profit isn't a required goal for co-ops, unlike corporations which are legally required to put profit first, they can invest into the communities around them

E.g., Mondragón uses a 10-20-70 system where 10% of their profit goes toward that sort of stuff

And in a co-op based economy, where competition with corporations isn't as common, co-ops will be free to work together a lot more, invest in each other and the communities around them, etc. And unlike corporations, where that would be incredibly optimistic, giving workers, individual humans, control instead of some greedy CEO and a bunch of shareholders in another state, makes it much more likely that sort of stuff will occur.

Radvylf Programs

22:58

The college spam is evolving

I got one of those large envelopes you use for like...legal documents, and it had a giant 4 foot wide poster folded up with "UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO" on it

So I guess MIT's not the only one that was feeling a bit quirky today

Unrelated String

chicago is also mad quirky

user

23:44

Their prompts are crazy

Unrelated String

23:56

i was planning to apply two years in a row and then whenever i looked at the prompts i just spent an hour staring them down before giving up

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