q

period ?

Hint: It's not a key with a printable character corresponding to it

I need a hint

oh

ninja'd

hmm

Tab?

esc?

You'd think, but no to both

Enter?

down arrow?

Nope to both

any of the arrows?

No yellow for me in today's wordle

@AidenChow One of them, yes

And that's pretty much giving it away, so:

Right?

Don't ask me why

is it from editing SE messages too much :P

@hyper-neutrino did not even know up arrow did that lol

Maybe, not sure lol

Might be just gaming ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@allxy yeah thats probably more likely

Chat has all sorts of shortcuts. Up for edit, F5 for refresh, Alt+F4 for auto-posting a rickroll, etc.

ahh alt f4, the classic

💀

What does alt-f4 actually do?

(Tried it, nothing happened afaict)

Shut down your computer

Windows-only

Oh. I did option-f4 which is pretty much equivalent

@RadvylfPrograms i think it closes your current window first?

I just have /rick as a shortcut

lemme test that rn

ok ya alt f4 closes ur current window

alt F4 closes your current window but if you're focused on the desktop it gives you shutdown options

Anyone else find desktops kinda a weird concept

Like, we all have them, but...why?

I feel like it's a concept that's just been kinda ignored

huh, isnt desktop a physical thing, not a concept

Well where else would you expect to go after closing all apps?

am i missing smth here

@lyxal I don't know...like, a directory of apps you have maybe?

or possibly just don't have a way to close the final app open at all

You just change what app it is

wait isnt desktop like some huge box

that's kind of the idea of being able to put files on a desktop

I feel like it's a bit of an unexplored concept still

@AidenChow we're talking about the virtual desktop (as in the one you get backgrounds for)

Like sure, putting files on it is cool, but if it was meant to be analogous to a real desktop I'd expect it to be much more capable

i think the idea is you'd have a bunch of non-fullscreen windows all on it

Yeah. My usage is just to have things maximized, or sometimes multiple side-by-side windows.

yeah same

And Chrome OS doesn't even let you put stuff on the desktop

it's just the image that sits there when you're not doing anything

if i have a smaller window on top of stuff it's usually on top of a browser or discord

lmao what

that's funny

i'd think chrome os would just default to opening a chrome window at that point

It opens one at startup by default

But you can close it like anything else, and stare into the void and/or nature/cityscapes/whatever you picked as your desktop in 2011

Relevant Wikipedia page:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_metaphor

> en.m.wikipedia.org

🤮

Just make a tampermonkey script to redirect en.m to en

oh yeah that would be smart

@RadvylfPrograms what would be the point of that?

I do that for a few things, like changing the /u/0 that google classroom defaults to in emailed links to /u/1 since that's my school account

@lyxal to not get the mobile layout on desktop

@lyxal If Unrelated doesn't want to see mobile layout than the script would fix that

I'm on mobile you morons.

We know

But we aren't

we arent on mobile tho

i always just edit the m out whenever i paste a wikipedia link from mobile

^^^

And mobile wikipedia is ugly on desktop

So when Unrelated mentioned that I suggested making a script to redirect to non-mobile automatically

@RadvylfPrograms You might want to try ^

am I weird for liking the mobile layout more

Ooh that looks fun

@hyper-neutrino No, I think it's fine

i think i've heard some people say they prefer the mobile layout

and it definitely works better on mobile

idk how to explain it but it looks more... modern? the desktop layout looks older

(which it probably is TBH)

oh yeah for sure

maybe 15

@allxy Just realised this doesn't work :|

Oops

dang why'd you delete it

I just posted a crack

My intended solution was settTimeout with a string and for some reason I thought that worked in node

wait it doesn't?

Okay wow that's clever @RadvylfPrograms

> sett timeout

just like the last tft set i actually played

lol

That was a fun cop, even if unintentional lol

Gotta love people worming their way around your intended solution

@RadvylfPrograms Never even thought of with

@allxy are you thinking of going for another most community involvement best-of with javascript node this time?

Probably not

It's nowhere near as janky as Vyxal

@allxy Unbased.

codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/245881/110449 is still uncracked although Aaroneous has made some progress

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Integer divisors of a decimal number

ayy almost beat my pb on medium google minesweeper

Nice!

that felt real smooth

Wait wtf

wdym wtf

39 seconds for 40 mines?

@emanresuA ya, tho my average is around 45-50 seconds

is that not average?

i feel like im really inaccurate with my mouse

I usually get around two minutes

@emanresuA oh huh, thats like my pb for hard mode

i guess i play minesweeper too much :P

Is Aaroneous still around? I haven't seen him in a while.

He is

There's been a lot of people missing. Aaroneous, rak, Raze, caird (sort of)

@RadvylfPrograms He popped into vyxal chat the other day

Razetime is mostly active on discord more than here

oh yeah how did i not notice the lack of razetime

I don't know about rak or caird though

also i didn't realize i hadn't seen caird in a while until they hopped in chat and it was pointed out

Yeah, it's been awfully quiet recently

Though there's some new faces too

Aaroneous isn't very active in chat but he obviously still checks on the site from time to time

I pinged him about a print x without x cop and now he's trying to crack it

It hurts to think that someday I probably won't be active on this site anymore. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

Like, I doubt I'll be 70 years old and still logging onto CGCC to see what's new

So...where will it end? Will I suddendly leave? Probably not. I'll just drift away.

And I hate the thought of that

And I don't know if I should hate it or not.

holy im popping off today

another pb on hard

@RadvylfPrograms yeah, tho hopefully that wont be for another few years (for me at least)

'cause on the one hand, can't stay here forever, and plenty of people before me have left the site. But I've invested so much time. I feel a pretty strong sense of community, and feel like I have fairly good friendships with a lot of y'all

I probably wouldn't feel such strong emotions about the topic if I wasn't closer with CGCC/TNB than my family.

@RadvylfPrograms 0_0

In the two or so years I've been active in TNB y'all've been there for me far more than my parents and far less cruel and sadistic than my sister.

its touching to hear that u think of us in such high esteem, but seriously, how fucked up can ur family be if u enjoy chatting with online strangers more than your own family (not to sound too harsh or anything, just what i think)

They have zero interest in anything I'm interested in, and even when I simplify it so they can understand they just ignore me.

We constantly argue about stupid stuff, mostly due to the ridiculous blame culture and our clash of fundamental ideas about how the world works

@RadvylfPrograms yikes

I told my mother about Vyxal and everyone who contributes to it and she's proud as frick

They have zero trust in me, and the reverse is also true. My sister steals things from me all the time, but my parents never have any proof and my sister's basically convinced them I'm a liar and I make up stuff about her.

We have a cat, Stormie. For six years we've told her to be nicer to the poor thing. She'll pick him up until he cries to be let down, and she still won't put him down. She'll hug and squeeze him in very clearly unconfortable ways, she's given him showers and lied about it, wrapped him in blankets so he couldn't run, etc. She's 13 and she still does this, and she genuinely believes he likes her. He can't even walk around the house, he has to slink around, running if you drop a pin.

Wait you're the older brother yet you're being trodden over? What ever happened to seniority/the chain of age?

That's just an example of how little empathy or understanding for others' feelings she has. Everything is about her. If her friends don't do what she wants to use them for, they're no longer her friends until she needs something else. So you can imagine what it's like when she doesn't need you but she can't get rid of you.

@RadvylfPrograms I feel like if you drift away it will be because you've eventually found other directions in life and we won't be as important to you anymore, and that might sound sad but if/when you do, it'll only be because CGCC/TNB isn't an important part of your life anymore compared to how it may be now.

That's true, I guess. The most likely thing I can think of is college, and I'd have lots more people to hang out with there.

idk if that was worded in a way that can be understood but basically if the site dies that'd be sad but as possibly worthless assurance, if you do drift away, you won't be sad about it because it'll only be because this place isn't as important to you anymore that you let yourself gradually leave here

@RadvylfPrograms does she catch a yawn if someone yawns around her?

lol

/srs though

A few years ago we went on a trip somewhere, and they had a tennis court. My parents used to play it for fun in high school and college, so we played around a bit and liked it. My high school has a tennis court, so we'd go pretty often. My mom can't really play tennis much for health reasons, so it'd just be the three of us. Well, it's hard to play tennis with three people, and she was actually getting pretty good, playing in tournaments and stuff, so I became an obstacle.

She'd never hit balls to me. She'd constantly be rude, pick fights, laugh when I messed up (which I did about as often as her). And she'd use these awful false-equivalence arguments every single time that we were both arguing so it was both of our faults. Time and time again. It was awful. And that's why I don't play tennis any more.

Hard to tell if that's sibling rivalry or something else

I don't know how much of it was intentional, but she destroyed my interest in a hobby, so that she could spend more time practicing. I was going to play high school tennis, I had it on my course selection sheet and everything, but I just couldn't bring myself to go with them anymore.

aww tennis is fun tho, been playing tennis for years

@RadvylfPrograms do you think it's just her trying to best you in everything?

^ yeah that could be it, you might be misinterpreting her competitiveness as sadism

Maybe, but it's not just tennis related fights and insults and stuff

Constant insults about my appearance, the way I walk, etc., which she gets my dad to join in on.

@AidenChow Or sociopathy

Her behaviour sounds similar to someone I know who I believe has sociopathic tendencies

(/srs btw)

And I can't be like "dad, stop, maybe don't make fun of me constantly?", because he has all these ideas about how "men can't feel emotions" or whatever, so I don't even bother

I haven't heard him call me by my name in years

arent there family therapists out there, this sounds like a serious problem ngl

Someone addressed me as "Ryan" a few days ago in class, to ask for like a pencil sharpener or something, and...i dunno

@AidenChow Therapy? That sounds like weak person talk. Can't have any of that

@RadvylfPrograms have you ever considered emancipation from your parents?

I've thought lonjg and hard many times about the costs and benefits of that sorta stuff, but...it'd just mess up too much to be worth it when I'll be gone in two years. And my mom doesn't deserve it.

Fair enough

They make like $115k a year total, both cars paid off, house paid off and doubled in value thanks to Austin growing so much, and do you know how much they've saved for me and my sister for college? $50

Because a bank was advertising they'd double the first $50 you put in a college savings account

I've told them for years all I want is for them to lend me money, and he refuses to do that. They're trying to push me to go to a cheaper, state school, even though they won't pay for a cent of it.

i'd definitely not recommend leaving your parents (at least this early) as one of the solutions except as a last resort just because it puts a lot more stress on you due to finances and managing living stuff which is a bad thing to have when you need to focus on your education which sets you on a good path, and you have the rest of your life to do whatever you want with it

Same. I wasn't advocating it either, I was just curious if you'd thought of it at all

though of course that advice is coming from me only because i'm able to tolerate my household enough to stay here; I can't weigh the benefits/detriments for you but it's definitely necessary to consider that you might put more pressure than necessary on yourself during like, probably the most important years of your life

Besides, you say it's only 2 more years

Worst part is, a combination of COVID and the classes I'm taking mean that I haven't had a class with any of my friends in four years. Half of them went to a different high school. My social skills are like a quarter of what they used to be. I don't really have any IRL friends anymore, aside from one who I have 10m a day to talk to twice a week on the bus to school and back.

And I don't have the heart to tell him our only common interest is something I don't even care about anymore

@lyxal (also to be fair I said that to myself about 4 years ago...)

@hyper-neutrino about moving out to college/uni?

@RadvylfPrograms that's something I really can't offer any advice for cuz I have like, basically 1-2 IRL friends rn (not counting my brother) and we almost only talk online and usually not to converse but just to ask each other questions, discuss assignments, or play video games

nearly all of my social interaction is on discord lol

@hyper-neutrino same, but only once every few months

Yeah. I'm hoping once I get a job this summer I'll be able to rebuild the social skills I lost during the lockdown (not that I had many in the first place)

@lyxal yes. a combination of covid, my parents not wanting me to because of financial and other stresses, and myself ultimately deciding that they were right that it was more trouble than it was worth means i'm still living here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and it's fine like I can handle it

@hyper-neutrino understandable

damn how old are yall anyways, i feel like you guys are way older than i am

Planning on going to college 2000 miles from my parents. If possible I won't even tell them which college it is.

@AidenChow I'm 16

@AidenChow I'm the same age as hyper and Radvylf is 3 (maybe 2) years younger than us

oh nice, im only 13 :|

im not the best person to listen to for life advice lol

haha

I'm not the best to ask about sibling advice either

I first joined code golf when I was like 10 on my other account but never actually did anything until I was 14 or so

Wait no, I remember being in 6th grade when I was talking to Nathan Merrill about KotHs

@RadvylfPrograms out of state tuition go brrr

All the schools I'm wanting to go to are private schools that cost the same in or out of state so meh

I have to stay in my state or it’s twice the fee for no reason

i initially joined code golf just to show off desmos and then dip out, then i became attached to the community lol

Going to a school in Texas is not an option for me. I do not want to be within 10 hours of my family.

@user only twice?

@RadvylfPrograms oic

i'm just generally not a good person to ask for advice from lmao

"I can't afford the plane tickets I'm a broke college student" is an excuse I've been waiting 14 years to have

@UnrelatedString those are tge more affordable ones, like purdue or umass+out of state scholarship

ah

i mean once you're an adult if you really want you can just cut off your family and if you don't care about if they think you hate them or keeping ties with them that'd be viable no?

not that I can really say I would recommend that but

Kinda want to do that

But it would really hurt my parents

@user why tho

@hyper-neutrino I've thought about that a lot

as much as I want to dislike my parents it'd be dishonest to say I don't appreciate what they have done for me (even though I disagree with a lot of their parenting style) and I feel like cutting them off would be unhealthy for me

I really want to just block them all on the plane to wherever, and my dad and sister totally deserve it, but my mom has been a bad parent more out of health issues than malice

@AidenChow idk, my parents are just mildly annoying to be around. They’re decent parents but i don’t particularly like them

i personally live in a loving family, cant really relate to the hardships yall are facing :(

Not that I dislike them

maybe my perspective will change when i grow older, idk

i went silent on my mom for a couple months and i feel like it improved our relationship now that we are back in contact

@AidenChow no no my parents are loving, they’ve spoiled me in fact

i've talked about it with some other friends too and ultimately I feel like no matter how much I dislike them once I move out and stop seeing them much I'll probably end up missing them and if I do cut them out of my life I feel like I'd regret that ultimately

My cats too, I don't want to cut off contact with Stormie and Scully :(

The thing is that family is just a bunch of random people. You can’t choose family like you do friends, it’s very hit or miss

There’s just no reason to stay in contact with someone whom you have nothing in common with (granted, that’s not the case with parents)

My dad's made it very clear he doesn't want me around (as in outright saying it), and his political views are a little on the fascist side

Oh

That sucks

@RadvylfPrograms your dad sounds like a dipshit, just saying

He kinda is yeah

at least it'll be mutually beneficial when you leave your father, i guess :/

man i did not realize that tnb was capable of such heavy topics, i thought it was always fun and light hearted stuff here

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@AidenChow same here

I have trouble believing those exist :(

For me it's the other way around. It's shocking to hear that disfunctional families are somewhat common and makes me feel bad for y'all

It's reassuring to hear that. Hopefully ten or twenty years from now I'll be with a family I can more or less choose

@lyxal same, i hope it gets better for you redwolf

^

:)

There we go

CMP: Favorite mythical animal? Mine’s phoenixes, because they’re fluffy and they explode

Notice the smooth transition to less depressing topics

lol

Dragons are pretty cool

You can do a lot of stuff with them given the variations in how they're described

Hard to find a big enough house for them :(

@RadvylfPrograms oh true

Sometimes dragons are just big lizards

E.g., they range foot long chameleon things (Garden of the Purple Dragon), to massive fire-breathing flying sheep eating things that can barely fit in a castle

And you can have like, dragon skin, dragon blood, dragon eggs, etc. that all do interesting things

But phoenixes are pretty cool yeah

I like how Harry Potter sets up a conflict in the Fantastic Beasts book (the reference one, which is literally a list of magical beasts) about how some are classed as beasts and some are classed as beings, and that centaurs are classed as beasts, then it's basically never mentioned again and we're supposed to accept that centaurs are considered subhuman animals without rights.

(I'm apparently not very good at the smooth-transition-to-non-depressing topics thing)

Smooth transition take 2: CMP: Do you prefer that feeling when you finish a dneeze or that feeling when someone says “You’re an awesome person we all love you”

@user uhhh both??

@RadvylfPrograms don’t the centaurs get shown as angry or smth?

@AidenChow which do you like more tho?

Idk, I don't remember much about the HP universe anymore. Read them all in like 3rd grade.

@user I wouldn't kn...wait this isn't a very good transition nvm

what's a dneeze /s

I forget everything about a book after like 3 days

dneeze nuts

i'm so sorry

Which sucks when we have to read for English and i finish it in two days and forget about it when there are quizzes

@user Same lol, probably doesn't help I sometimes just read half the book in one sitting so none of it goes to my long term memory

@RadvylfPrograms >:(

I'm sorry I saw the opportunity and I took it

I have no regrets

If we're taking about light hearted things again, then I'd like to tell y'all how I remembered today that a prime minister of ours once threatened to shirt-front Putin

Hmm

Good idea

Funniest thing ever

what does shirt-front mean

abc.net.au/news/2014-10-14/…

@RadvylfPrograms don't be, I would be disappointed if nobody capitalized on that

@AidenChow Basically, grab someone by the shirt and threaten them

@RadvylfPrograms definition 2

This was in 2014 too

It was hilarious seeing the same man who also said "no one is the suppository of all wisdom" say that about Putin

I wonder what would happen if the president of a major NATO country was meeting with Putin and just like...punched him in the face.

War

Like, that would get very interesting both body-guarding-wise and diplomatically

The president who did would get a lot of updoots on reddit that's for sure.

Or that guy just gets kicked out

@lyxal and a lot of downdoots irl

Hmm, can we train a neural network on will smith to extrapolate to heads of state assaulting each other? I think yes

lmao

xkcd 1628 but with heads of state in fights

What madlad invented this weapon:

Is it just me or is that backwards

@lyxal same, I hope it gets better for you :(

@user The brass knuckles appear to be yeah

@RadvylfPrograms Are you meant to put your fingers in those holes?

So I guess you'd have to flip it around once you're out of ammo and stabby energy

@allxy Yeah, brass knuckles

Lol

Oh i just realized it’s supposed to look like a normal gun

I thought it was for stabbing yourself

lmao

Very confused for q minute there

it does look pretty easily to accidentally do that, yeah

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't want to use that in a fight. And with no barrel on the revolver part it's also a very close range weapon.

Feels very prohibition-era gangster to me though lol

Gosh qwordle is hard

even after reading the rules

Each individual clue corresponds to one of the words

So did y'all know that the pandemic lock downs were bad for comedians?

Because for a long time, no one walked into a bar!

@lyxal That's actually quite a good joke lol

Mind if I steal it?

It's not mine, so sure.

It's from an app called small talk

@lyxal isnnt small talk a PL?

smalltalk is a PL

technically every programming language is APL :p

getsmalltalk.com