The Nineteenth Byte

caird coinheringaahing

00:21

@Niko I'm pretty sure we've established religions around specific users before - they generally die out fairly quickly

Niko

lyxal god has already been inside my very mind the moment i joined tnb

Wezl - y izl

00:41

@GingerIndustries very snazzy. I like it. but also see ^

lyxal

I got myself kicked from campfire

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Is it down?

lyxal

no, it's up

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

it just shows Connecting... for me

Wezl - y izl

can you access cdn.socket.io/4.3.2/socket.io.esm.min.js ?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

00:46

yep

Ginger Industries

i have returned

hmmm

it seems lyxal has cursed campfire

Wezl - y izl

can you unmute me :P

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Very simple auto battler There are two players. Each player has a team of between 0 and 5 members. Each member has two relevant statistics: an attack score and a health score. These range from 1 to 50. Until at least one team runs out of members, you need to battle the lead member of each team ag...

Ginger Industries

@Wezl-yizl i can't even connect rn

Wezl - y izl

oh it's just Connecting... for me too now that I reloaded

Ginger Industries

00:51

one sec

i have turned it off and on again

Wezl - y izl

~ Error: xhr poll error

Ginger Industries

oop, found the issue

hold please

ok fixed!

Wezl - y izl

did you see my message

Aiden Chow

it still say connecting... for me

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Word Guess KOTH, Bandwidth of a matrix

lyxal

01:04

Camp fire doesn't work in tor

And it doesn't render amogus copypasta properly either

Ginger Industries

bya!

DialFrost

01:24

hai

can i post the challenge triangle triplers?

Wezl - y izl

@DialFrost oh hi DialFrost I searched in chat history and found out that your pfp actually means something

DialFrost

?

Wezl - y izl

I play chess

DialFrost

haha lol

u use lichess?

Wezl - y izl

preferably yes but tl;dr I am prevented through no choice of my own from accessing it

plainchess.timwoelfle.de is a nice site (can't play a random player though)

I've a mind to fork it to try out various modifications to chess rules

DialFrost

01:31

ah ic

ru good at chess?

Wezl - y izl

yes compared to people who don't know chess. no to people who play professionally. no to anyone who's played for maybe a year

how about I show you more specifically :P

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

02:07

Program in C

►

What an oddly specific set of talents this person must have

Wezl - y izl

esolang idea: in a program, the first line will almost always be import non_printable as np np. because you need to import everything you use in the language and newlines (needed for multiple lines ofc) are in the non_printable module ::D

5

everything else in the language can be derived from that

user

02:24

Reminds me of how you can unload the parser or something in Factor

Razetime

02:45

@taRadvylfsriksushilani whatcha mean

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Systems programming and singing like a lobster

Wezl - y izl

also must have a lot of free time :P

emanresu A

03:00

@pxeger Me when DSO is smaller than any of those

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Can you make it so you can turn and move at the same time

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

No

They use tank steering

emanresu A

Okay

@pxeger How is oK 5MB? The version I use is 40kb

DialFrost

shall i post my triangular tripler challenge?

its in sandbox currently

anone?

Razetime

let me see

@DialFrost codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/171516/… is the only similar thing i can find

the other one is sierpinski order 2 which is more complicated so eh

what do you mean by auto trimming?

i'm sure leading whitespace is not removed..

New Posts

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Q: Find my Māori pronouns

The Māori language has quite simple pronouns. It uses a single word for he/she/they/etc (ia), and the words for "you" and "me" are koe and au respectively. There are also words for groups of two or more people: tāua - You and me (we, au and koe) māua - Me and them (we, au and ia) rāua - Them (th...

DialFrost

03:18

@Razetime check it now

Razetime

also when you ask for help on a sandbox question please link it

@DialFrost is the . really necessary

i don't mind it but it's not very usual on ascii-art challenges

DialFrost

rly?

it makes it harder

emanresu A

That's razetime's point

DialFrost

oh

emanresu A

It's an unnecessary obstruction

Think about it this way: Would the task be any less interesting without it?

Razetime

03:24

it will be quite interesting how people handle the first char

I'd ask @Neil 's opinion on this

emanresu A

@Razetime Nope, not at all.

Razetime

why

emanresu A

With the triangle itself, there's a number of different approaches. You could generate a single triangle and stack it on top of two copies, you could print it character-by-character based on x and y positions, you could make a large triangle and remove a smaller one, etc.

Razetime

yeah and along with those methods come their own ways of handling the dot

emanresu A

With the added dot, everyone's approach is going to be along the lines of 'generate triangle, add a few bytes to prepend dot'

Razetime

03:29

not necessarily

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Well, we did it

RTO is back in business

emanresu A

Good job

Also what happens if I send a request to OISB with constructor as the language?

lyxal

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Java doesn't work

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nothing works rn

WS issues

gonna do a reboot

lyxal

Oh

emanresu A

03:55

In otehr news, Buggy tetris is now less buggy

Don't ask me how I've done Tetris with 60° rotation

I don't know, I was trying to do 90°

PyGamer0

@emanresuA i cant play on mobile :(

@emanresuA radians vs degrees?

emanresu A

@PyGamer0 One moment...

@PyGamer0 Added mobile support! Tap near the top/bottom/left/right edges of the canvas.

Wezl - y izl

@emanresuA wow this rotation is so cursed I love it

PyGamer0

@emanresuA do not fix the rotation lol

its fine as it is

oblique tetris

^ call it that

emanresu A

04:11

Ok lol

My highscore's 290 btw

PyGamer0

so its playable

@emanresuA mine is 40

emanresu A

It's probably harder on mobile

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

04:27

RTO is not back in business

Our attempt to fix things made it worse and we're back to square one

PyGamer0

@taRadvylfsriksushilani soo a RTO rewrite?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Well, the sandboxing at least

emanresu A

04:44

What happened?

(If you have any idea)

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Well, we were using a tool called gVisor to sandbox our containers. But it has some compatibility issues; that's what was causing the weird error message with every Java program, and preventing Haskell from being added, and delaying C/C++ for hours.

So, we've been trying to replace it for the last 24 hours.

We finally found something that looked like it would work, Kata Containers.

But they broke a significant part of the container manager.

I had to kill my test Python script using ps -ax and sudo kill

The thing with RTO/OISB is that it has somewhat conflicting goals, that are difficult to fulfill: it needs to be securely sandboxed, but also capable of handling user-submitted languages in an easy-to-work-with format

OCI containers are the obvious choice, but it's apparently shockingly hard to figure out a way to securely sandbox an OCI container without interfering with various programs

emanresu A

You could look at how riju / ATO / TIO handle sandboxing

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Yeah. I've looked into it a bit.

The problem is, we also need to be able to support user-submitted languages, which rules some of those out

emanresu A

TBH I don't really understand sandboxing

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Anyway, I've started up the gVisor one again for now, I'm too burnt out on messing with sandboxing to mess with it rn

emanresu A

04:53

And it's ~midnight

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Still an hour to go

But yeah, still too late to be doing this stuff

PyGamer0

05:17

@emanresuA its like Sandbox on CGCC :p

emanresu A

sighs

emanresu A

05:31

And, SO's down?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Duh, SO runs on RTO

6

emanresu A

> Uncaught (in promise) CompileError: wasm validation error: at offset 4: failed to match magic number

magic number

Can they at least say checksum or something

Bubbler

I think it's just a hardcoded constant, not a checksum

emanresu A

Hmm okay

Would someone mind running this code in their browser console and seeing what happens?

PyGamer0

05:48

does anyone know why i have to take out and put back the vga cable atleast twice every time i turn on my computer so that the monitor turns on?

cause its very annoying

and rn its refusing to turn on lol

Bubbler

Most likely either the cable or the monitor is broken (or both)

PyGamer0

(oh btw i use a hdmi to vga adapter)

Bubbler

It only adds another possibility of broken things

PyGamer0

its probably the adapter

because the previous adapter broke then this problem happened with the new one

ok now i am at (not my) computer

emanresu A

Was backup for a moment , now down again

Aiden Chow

06:34

@emanresuA the purple piece is so good in that

it can literally be a s, z, or o piece just by turning it

bruh i literally tried to setup a tspin triple subconsciously, but then realized too late that pieces dont turn the same way as in regular tetris

also could u implement a 7-bag

that would help a lot

emanresu A

07:44

@AidenChow I've realised that purple and blue are objectively the same

Also, what's a 7-bag?

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA every 7 pieces you get a permutation of the 7 possible tetrominos, LJIOSZT

emanresu A

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Could do that

Aiden Chow

it makes it easier, because you know you will always get, for example, an I piece within 7 pieces

instead of completely random, where you could go on for a long time without an I piece

7-bag is what many "modern" tetris games implement as their piece randomizer. older versions of tetris dont use 7-bag

emanresu A

Ok, give me a few minutes

Added!

Aiden Chow

08:05

uh it still isnt 7-bag for me

emanresu A

The first one is just random but the rest is 7bag

Aiden Chow

i got two J pieces with 4 pieces

emanresu A

(Because reasons)

Aiden Chow

ohh ok

interesting choice but I guess that works

@emanresuA wait do you mean that the first 7 pieces are randomized, then it starts doing 7-bag after that?

emanresu A

First piece is randomised then it 7-bags after that

Aiden Chow

08:11

oh ok

why randomize just the first piece?

emanresu A

There's a buffer of pieces which the piece ids are taken from, and when emptied it fills with a permutation of the pieces.

'cos of the way it starts up, the first piece can't be taken from the buffer

PyGamer0

08:38

CMQ: Which is more useful: first n fibonacci numbers, or nth fibonacci numbers?

Unrelated String

worth noting it's very easy to get one from the other
but that aside... good question

Aiden Chow

uhhhh i guess i would have to go with first n, cause i can quickly use that to find the (n+1)th fibonacci number

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString hm then ill add only one of them as a diagraph

Aiden Chow

Why is it that my question (codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/242581/…) got 12 upvotes but no answers? is my challenge not interesting enough? or maybe there's too much text?

emanresu A

Just means it's hard

Aiden Chow

08:46

@emanresuA oh, that makes sense now that i think about it

PyGamer0

TIL pomato is a cross breed of a potato and a tomato

emanresu A

IIRC they're poisonous

PyGamer0

wait they're poisonous?

Unrelated String

can't say i'm surprised

PyGamer0

> The pomato (a portmanteau of potato and tomato) is a grafted plant that is produced by grafting together a tomato plant and a potato plant, both of which are members of the Solanum genus in the Solanaceae (nightshade) family. Cherry tomatoes grow on the vine, while white potatoes grow in the soil from the same plant.

they are produced by grafting

i thought they would breed, as in pollen transfer

emanresu A

08:50

Biology is hard

Biology is really struggling; they're barely at 93% and they keep finding more ants.

Aiden Chow

@PyGamer0 oh so that just means that tomatoes and potatoes can grow on the same plant?

PyGamer0

yes

StackMeterPlus

09:09

@PyGamer0 so u can get tomatoes and potatoes from the same place

PyGamer0

18 mins ago, by PyGamer0

yes

ophact

@emanresuA Biology is probably not 93% complete.

and by the way...

Programming: -2147483647%

StackMeterPlus

@ophact let me just subtract 2% off of that

ophact

oh right

forgot

emanresu A

I've come to the conclusion that ngn/k is magic

Also range(4) is 'eoleof

So is range(5)

And pretty much everything afaict

StackMeterPlus

09:23

@emanresuA define 'eoleof

emanresu A

"random something that k.wasm's returning"

StackMeterPlus

ok

question

is an answer in Python 3 different to one in 3.8

emanresu A

Depends on the features used

In general, people usually specify specific versions when the code wouldn't work in older/newer versions

StackMeterPlus

@emanresuA ok, so i can still post an answer to this

in python 3

emanresu A

You can post an answer to it in whatever you want

Policy allows dupe answers anyway

See the two node.js answers

StackMeterPlus

09:28

o yeah

PyGamer0

for some reason i remember @ophact having 10k rep

New Posts

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Q: All sequences as substrings

Make a program that outputs a sequence of integers so that every finite sequence of positive integers is a substring (continuos subsequence) of the output. For example, the following sequence satisfies the rules: 1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,2,1,3,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,2,1,1,3,2,1,1,3,1,4,... To see the underlyin...

code-golf sequence subsequence open-ended-function

ophact

09:55

@PyGamer0 It was only 2.5k

PyGamer0

@ophact wait so you did have more rep

ophact

yes, because I deleted my account and I started again under a different name...

and then became ophact again for the sake of it

Neil

@Razetime imho it would be unnecessarily annoying

StackMeterPlus

@ophact i am legit a few rep ahead of u

ophact

yes

@PyGamer0 nope

emanresu A

10:05

After I passed 20k I stopped caring about rep

ophact

how did you get so much rep in such a short period of time? You registered 2 days before me (my old account) but you had 5k+ by late June whereas I had 2k+

emanresu A

(IIRC you get analytics at 25k and your delete votes cap at 35k but I don't really care about those)

@ophact Vyxal and lots of good questions

ophact

oh yeah, the Vyxal posting spree

I remember a particularly boring Sunday afternoon when I was supposed to be doing work. Instead I went on Code Golf and saw the homepage: answered 15 mins ago by A username. answered 31 mins ago by A username. answered 1 hour ago by A username.

emanresu A

Yep lol

Almost 500

ophact

Tips don't count ;)

emanresu A

10:08

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Depends who you ask

Now I'ma get back to writing a burnination request for new-years

ophact

why, don't want my question to have that tag?

wizzwizz4

The problem isn't the tag; it's the concept.

emanresu A

No (although it was because of your question that I found it), it's just really inconsistent

@wizzwizz4 As in?

ophact

and what is that? @wizzwizz4

wizzwizz4

What even is a "new year"?

ophact

10:11

@emanresuA Oh, I get what you're saying

emanresu A

@wizzwizz4 Do you mean how different calendar systems have different definitions of new years?

ophact

Maybe timezones as well

wizzwizz4

And “new years” is only one day after the previous year, not one year. None of it makes sense.

emanresu A

True...

ophact

ok

emanresu A

10:14

The reason I think we should burninate it is because it's pretty much a meta-tag

wizzwizz4

I think it's not a meta tag, but it's misapplied to some questions.

It's a good tag for questions that involve a number 20xx, or that involve the string "New Year" or something.

DialFrost

can i post my triangle triplers?

challenge in sandbox ^

emanresu A

7 hours ago, by Razetime

also when you ask for help on a sandbox question please link it

DialFrost

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Triangle Tripler Task You must create a program that echoes a triangle of a given size N. A triangle is made of 3 identical triangles A triangle of size N should be made of N lines A triangle's line starts from 1 star, and increases by 2 stars each line A . must be located at the top/left For e...

sry

StackMeterPlus

@ophact this might be the most menacing thing yet seen on PPCG

like when i posted all of 4 answers in a day

DialFrost

10:42

@emanresuA wat do u think of the challenge? sry if the ping disturbed you

New Posts

10:53

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Q: Should we get rid of [new-years]?

The new-years tag's description is: A new year's puzzle is any puzzle that is posted around the first day of any year that has to do with that specific year or calendars in some way. This isn't really an objective tag. Its questions include: Time-based questions usually based around years Ete...

discussion feature-request tags

ophact

Looks like I'm a 4-digiter now

DialFrost

congrats ophact!

ophact

thank you

DialFrost

my aim is to hit 5 digit

:)

but im quite far from it

ophact

yeah that'll take a while ;)

DialFrost

10:55

haha

especially considering im not that good at coding

anyone got comments on my challenge codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

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