The Nineteenth Byte

Fmbalbuena

00:26

@Anush Are you still here?

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino We can now, it got changed a couple of weeks back

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani When you create a Github repo (RTO), Can I help you?

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's nice

still rep-gated or no?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Fmbalbuena github.com/OISB/oisb

caird coinheringaahing

Don't think so. deleted:1 as a search is still rep gated, but they changed "see all deleted questions" to actually show all, rather than in just the last 60 days

hyper-neutrino

00:29

ah, okay. i like that

Fmbalbuena

Oh, I found my first challenge and I undeleted

lyxal

@taRadvylfsriksushilani when do you think you'll add time-outs for programs?

And will you add an output limit like TIO?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I've had them the whole time

And there's an output limit

Fmbalbuena

Thanks, I will make full memory lol.

lyxal

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Not with python it seems

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

00:31

Uh oh

lyxal

How long is time out?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Oh, it was just a back-end error

So the container got killed but your browser was never informed of that

lyxal

Ah good.

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I'm executing this python code:

a=""
while 1:g+="a"*99999

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena As a general rule, if you want to keep your question record positive: don't delete dupe questions; and edit/improve questions closed as unclear

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

00:33

Okay fixed, reload the page

I got rolled by JS's jankiest feature

caird coinheringaahing

Dupes happen to everyone, and are helpful for finding other duplicates later down the line. And getting a question reopened adds more to your question record than just posting a new question

lyxal

@taRadvylfsriksushilani just another observation: it outputs after a bit, but it doesn't change the run button text

Oop nvm

It fixed itself

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

There is some jank with the run/stop buttons

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I'm still running the program, Can you prevent?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

But also, the output is streamed live, so it won't change back to stop immediately even under perfect circumstances

Currently the max output size is extremely restrictive, at just 1 KiB, but that's for debugging purposes

I'll increase it to 100 KB for 1.0.0, and 200 KB if you have a registered account

wtf who set up a loop to click stop

lyxal

00:37

...

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing I edited, ~~Vote to reopen~~

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@lyxal Was that you or a weird bug on my end

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani bug?

lyxal

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I was wondering what would happen if I opened an autoclicker on the button and if it'd be noticed

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

2022-02-10 00:37:14.2850 actor(tyaigswx).data: {"action":"stop"}
2022-02-10 00:37:14.2850 actor(tyaigswx).on(stop)
2022-02-10 00:37:14.2890 dock(cubattuycwos).stop: stopping
2022-02-10 00:37:14.2900 actor(tyaigswx).data: {"action":"stop"}
2022-02-10 00:37:14.2900 actor(tyaigswx).on(stop)
2022-02-10 00:37:14.2950 dock(cubattuycwos).stop: stopping
2022-02-10 00:37:14.3050 actor(tyaigswx).data: {"action":"stop"}
2022-02-10 00:37:14.3050 actor(tyaigswx).on(stop)
2022-02-10 00:37:14.3120 dock(cubattuycwos).stop: stopping

Fmbalbuena

00:39

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Probably because I runned the Python code above.

lyxal

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Interesting

I promise not to do it again

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Fmbalbuena No, your Python is fine

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Turning one delete -> undelete, close -> reopen or negative -> positive adds 1/t to your Q record (t being the total questions you've asked). Doing 2 or 3 of those (e.g, undelete a negative closed question and fix it up to reopen positive score) adds 2/t and 3/t respectively. Asking a new question will add less than 1/(t+1) to your Qrecord, and that decreases for each new question

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@lyxal it's not anything harmful it just wastes vertical space in my log file lol

but yeah don't do it again plz

lyxal

That's about all the website stress testing I can think of for now

Fmbalbuena

00:40

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't understand

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena Lets say you've asked 10 questions. If you edit one of those questions and it gets reopened, you add 0.1 to your Q record. However, if you just ask a new question, your Q record will increase by less than 0.09

The exact number depends on the number of negative, closed and deleted questions you have, but it must be strictly less than 0.09

Aka: Improving closed questions has more value than asking new questions

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't think this a dupe, Because any command pushes to the stack.

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena As I said in the comments, while the exact commands are different, and Volatile is not the same language as !@#$%^&*()_+, fundamentally, the core challenge idea is the same: implement a stack based language with a small, trivial set of commands

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing Is there a way to vote to reopen?

@cairdcoinheringaahing Can you delete your hat?

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena For this specific challenge? I don't think so, tho people may disagree with m

@Fmbalbuena But its still winter

My dog's head will get cold if I take off the hat

Fmbalbuena

00:49

@cairdcoinheringaahing What about changing the hat?

caird coinheringaahing

I'll swap back to the regular SE baseball cap in March or so

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing What is the use of Q record?

caird coinheringaahing

Badges

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing which?

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena Curious, Inquisitive and Socratic

OldSandboxPosts

01:00

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Quicksand, Spinning Word Search

Ginger Industries

grettigns

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I've been working on the mock-up for a while now

user

Ginger Industries

uh

wat

user

My math teacher keeps assigning videos to watch and he's mentioned multiple times by now that he's supposedly the #1 youtuber on natural deduction and some other topics

Ginger Industries

fact-check time

user

01:08

I'm starting to think that at this point he just assigns the videos to all his students to get more views :P

Ginger Industries

._.

yk I bet my browser cached that, just a second

user

Ugh, I need to censor all the screenshots because he doesn't seem to care about his own privacy lol (or that of his students, honestly, some of his videos are during class and you can see his old students)

Ginger Industries

I underestimated how much my browser caches lol

user

The point of deleting is a message is not letting other people see it

Ginger Industries

oh, sorry

ah well, I can't view them anyway

user

01:13

@GingerIndustries It's alright, not a huge deal here

Ginger Industries

why the hell is the newest image in my cache an image of a pizza

there's also a cursed babby

user

Why would you not want a pizza in your cache? :P

Far better than cookies :P

Ginger Industries

what the hell is that

user

You tell me, what sites have you been visiting lol

Ginger Industries

i don't know man

I also found the SE Chat ping sound

lyxal

01:16

I've found myself having this chatroom open in 3 different tabs on my phone lately

Ginger Industries

triple the fun!

lyxal

Probably doesn't help that TNB is one of my quick links

Ginger Industries

TTThhheee NNNiiinnneeennnttteeennnttthhh BBByyyttteee

lyxal

In the last 7 days, I've opened ddg 732 times. 99% of those times are to come here and check CGSE

Ginger Industries

you are loyal to the cause

user

01:41

@lyxal lol 100% of the time i use ddg is for cgcc

I have not used it 700 times yet tho, just downloaded a few days ago to separate my cgcc stuff and my other accounts

I wish safari had different profiles

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

01:54

CMQ: Would it be unreasonable to require that command line args in RTO be valid UTF-8?

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani No if the lang is S... uhhh i don't know which SBCS or SCBS

Unrelated String

there might be some esolang interpreters out there that might for some reason want to expect arbitrary raw byte sequences for arguments but those probably run into problems normally anyhow :P

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

For code and stdio I've made a lot of effort to make things arbitrary binary compatible, but I guess for args it's pretty unlikely people will need that

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Unless you are using Vyxal (flags is very useful) or Jelly (Input is arguments)

lyxal

@Fmbalbuena no, vyxal and (probably) Jelly read cli args as utf8

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

01:59

@Fmbalbuena Well, since args can't handle null bytes, using SBCS-encoded text in command line arguments wouldn't work in the first place

Fmbalbuena

@lyxal Jelly reads arguments as input.

lyxal

Redwolf was talking about the encoding of the cli stuff not the actual cli itself

I don't think I've ever seen an esolang that takes command line arguments not in utf8

@taRadvylfsriksushilani \0 doesn't work as a substitution?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

IIRC args cannot handle null bytes as an OS limitation, not a shell one

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

02:35

Oh, this confused me for a sec. Args actually can handle null characters, but not null bytes

Because null chars are represented in UTF-8 as c0 80 in places where null bytes can't appear

So printf '\x00' | xxd works as intended

Wait no

I'm dumb

4

That's printf handling the formatting, \x00 is appearing as \x00 there rather than being parsed by the shell

lyxal

02:57

Good frick there is a metric frickton of people at the public swimming pool today

And a surprising amount of teenagers in friend groups too

I do not like this many people.

It is not something that would make anyone here happy

Wezl - y izl

@lyxal or is the public swimming pool at the people? 🤔

idk exactly why you came to the TNB, but I'll assume it's for advice

advice: bug spray

lyxal

I'll need a lot of bug spray

It's a big pool

@Wezl-yizl I like commenting on the unfortunate masses in public places

I did so last time I was at the pool and I'll do it again

Wezl - y izl

@lyxal well glad you want advice, because I love giving it

lyxal

So long as your suggestions aren't like caird's, it'll be fine.

Wezl - y izl

similar to and probably inspired by programming language compilers, pools have a concept of ownership

emanresu A

03:06

So long as you don't get stuck in an inflatable rubber ring again, you'll be fine

lyxal

Feb 1 at 3:46, by caird coinheringaahing

Spend 3 minutes continuously peeing to establish dominance

Don't suggest that. I'm not going to.

emanresu A

Oh yeah lol

Ok. Spend 4 minutes continuously peeing to establish dominance

lyxal

@emanresuA that was on Australia day with my cousins in their backyard

I wouldn't dare do something like that in public

I may be stupid sometimes, but I'm not an idiot.

Wezl - y izl

@Wezl-yizl so while it would be rude to zero out the people in the main pool, if you memcpy() you gain your own copy that you own

ofc if you possess an unsafe{} block you can do anything

Wezl - y izl

03:40

who wants to guess who has replied to Wezl the most in the nineteenth byte?

emanresu A

Redwofl / Lyxal

Wezl - y izl

okay redwofl / Lyxal, what's your guess :P

emanresu A

More accurately, Redwolf's ahead by ~10 messages

Wait no, cairds' got ~150

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Great...runsc breaks part of RTO under some circumstances

PyGamer0

04:10

@Wezl-yizl do you mean just "Wezl" or any name of yours?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

04:51

C is now working on proto-OISB, out first compiled language

emanresu A

I finally got around to licensing DSO (MIT license)

emanresu A

05:07

Hm, bronze discussion

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nice lol

DialFrost

05:39

yay i got halfway till 2k now

within 10 days

lyxal

talking about rep, I'm 43 away from hitting 20k

I can almost taste the answer deletion powers from here

emanresu A

I haven't used them in the month-and-a-half that I've had them so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

emanresu A

06:10

Ugh, I'm starting to agree with Codidact's idea that editing priveleges shouldn't be rep-based.

Because codegolf.stackexchange.com/posts/242621/revisions

PyGamer0

CMQ: Superscript characters for if quick?

emanresu A

superscript question mark if that exists?

PyGamer0

@emanresuA doesnt look like it D:

emanresu A

:(

Tetris but it's horribly cursed

PyGamer0

@emanresuA ok a block just disintegrated lmao

emanresu A

06:20

That's the last time I trust Copilot to write rotation vectors

PyGamer0

ˀ

@emanresuA ^ closest one i found

emanresu A

@PyGamer0 Nice!

PyGamer0

implementation: "ˀ": attrdict(),

and it works

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA thats actually cursed lol

my years of tetris gameplay coming in clutch here

i actually have a relatively normal looking stack: imgur.com/a/sPlxYUP

PyGamer0

06:47

in flax, 11 secs ago, by PyGamer0

now flax is TC :P

PyGamer0

06:58

CMQ: How useful is this

Adám

@PyGamer0 That's basically APL's ⊆, which is useful for general purpose programming, but probably not so much for golfing.

PyGamer0

ill add it nonetheless

emanresu A

07:18

@AidenChow Haven't implemented clearing lol

PyGamer0

07:35

def isprime(x):
    return 1 if not contains_false([x % i == 0 for i in range(2, x)]) else 0

^ will that work?

emanresu A

sympy.isprime

pxeger

@PyGamer0 you need to replace contains_false with contains_true. But that's still inefficient. return int(any(x % i == 0 for i in range(2, x ** 0.5)))

emanresu A

You're using sympy alerady, it does some clever stuff (Miller-rabin something I think) to do really fast primality testing

PyGamer0

07:51

@emanresuA oh thanks

@pxeger what does any do?

lyxal

Returns true if any item of a list is true

It stops evaluation once it sees a truthy value and if it hasn't reached the end

PyGamer0

oh

pxeger

@pxeger should be not any, sorry

alternatively: return int(0 not in (x % i for i in range(2, x ** 0.5)))

emanresu A

CMC: Make the OSP testing room freeze

(In other words, make sure no posts were last active a week ago)

pxeger

08:58

can I get some flags

Weird that a user with 25k rep on SO would post that answer

emanresu A

The mods haven't been very active lately but I've NAA flagged and VTD'd

@pxeger 25k there is not at all equivalent to 25k here

StackMeterPlus

@lyxal o wow

pxeger

@emanresuA Is reading the question too much to ask even of a 25k user?

maybe they just thought the post was on SO, in which case it's less invalid (although it'd still be a link-only answer)

emanresu A

I suspect they were just trying to plug their code

great and I'm the only one online with enough rep to vtd

pxeger

just bounty me 10k rep, and then I can do it too!

I feel like the OP of the question should have some more power in that respect

like the opposite of accepting an answer

PyGamer0

09:07

@emanresuA what you are a member for one year and you can VTD O_o

emanresu A

I'm a bit of a tryhard :P

It took ~7 months to get 20k

Vyxal helped a lot

PyGamer0

@emanresuA i think i am here for more than 6 months now

pxeger

53 mostly high-quality questions helps

PyGamer0

i still havent reached 1k lol

pxeger

that's cause you just hang out in chat and almost never actually post anything lol

PyGamer0

09:09

lol

my 2 brain cells cant come up with anything

or answer anything for that matter

emanresu A

what's the user id parameter called in SEDE?

StackMeterPlus

@pxeger all i need is 23,989 rep

PyGamer0

wait can CGCC answers use SEDE as the language :P

pxeger

SEDE just uses T-SQL which is a perfectly fine language

PyGamer0

TSQL?

pxeger

09:12

well, I wouldn't actually call T-SQL perfectly fine per se, but it's acceptable to use on Code Golf

emanresu A

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=sql&room=240

pxeger

it's the SQL dialect used by Microsoft SQL Server

emanresu A

@emanresuA According to some rough calculations Vyxal answers are about 9k of my rep

StackMeterPlus

a mod has entered the chat

emanresu A

Sadly not a CGCC mod, so we can't nuke that post

StackMeterPlus

09:20

@emanresuA ok

emanresu A

@Fatalize Would you mind VTDing this?

StackMeterPlus

wait
what is nuking a post

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Q: Implement OADD_MONTHS

Introduction A function that adds months to a date (without overflowing ends of months) is implemented in many languages/packages. In Teradata SQL it's ADD_MONTHS, here are some examples: ADD_MONTHS('2021-01-31', 1) => 2021-02-28 ADD_MONTHS('2021-01-30', 1) => 2021-02-28 ADD_MONTHS('2021-02-2...

emanresu A

@lyxal how? You didn't even edit it

@Razetime Would you mind VTDing this?

Razetime

09:35

there, done

emanresu A

Thanks

StackMeterPlus

@emanresuA help, i'm trapped in an infinite bookmark factory

emanresu A

My most famous drawing, and one of the first I did for the site

StackMeterPlus

now we need to make a bookmark maze

emanresu A

Idea: typing but the cursor has a 50-50 chance of advancing/not advancing

Fr mpelaxeo

CMQ: Should I keep reading the starboard or go to sleep?

pxeger

09:50

Yes

emanresu A

VTC as unclear

emanresu A

10:01

TIL if you flag then delete something the flag gets marked as helpful

pxeger

that sounds a little broken

emanresu A

gets two 20k socks and farms marshal

@cairdcoinheringaahing Laughs in huge support number spam wave a week or so ago

o/

lyxal

@emanresuA make a bookmark, one box it, delete the bookmark and rebookmark it

user

@Wezl-yizl who?

PyGamer0

10:45

i am currently working on my physics project

writing about X-Rays

CMP: AC or DC?

StackMeterPlus

11:42

@emanresuA how would one decide that

would it be automatic as you type

caird coinheringaahing

12:04

@PyGamer0 Yes, then rock out

lyxal

ngl don't know why you want me to throw my rock out

but it is what it is I guess.

(please tell me someone found that funny)

user

12:20

@PyGamer0 Air conditioners or District of Columbia?

lyxal

I thought it was Apple Charger or Discord Channels.

user

@lyxal I brt you did

CMP: Marvel or DC?

lyxal

@user brt? Is that bacon, rettuce and tomato?

Ginger Industries

(oﾟvﾟ)ノ

lyxal

@user neither. I prefer Redwolf's SE Nitro comics

user

12:24

@lyxal raw lettuce

lyxal

very immersive, and excellent plot line and extremely comprehensible/legible/readable

Ginger Industries

that is the corect answer

user

“Immersive “

Ginger Industries

A friend asked me this: "If I have a half-gallon jug of non-fat milk and a half-gallon jug of whole-fat milk, and I pour them into a gallon jug, what do I get?"

lyxal

@user I don't see Marvel or DC depicting the theft of my fridge.

Ginger Industries

12:25

now I must know the answer

lyxal

@GingerIndustries a spicy concoction of both

user

@GingerIndustries If you mix well, i assume half fat milk

lyxal

well not really spicy

Ginger Industries

I think it'd's 1/2 fat milk

user

Ninjd

Ginger Industries

12:26

well I used more spicier words

lyxal

it would is

user

@lyxal not spicy? What the point of milk if not spicyness

Ginger Industries

our WORDS are SPICER then theyre's!

lyxal

@user dumbass the point of milk is that it isn't spicy.

Ginger Industries

wait

yea milk neutralizes spicy

user

12:27

@GingerIndustries that’s what i said to my English teacher but she kept rambling on and on about plagiarism or something

@GingerIndustries my milk is spicy

lyxal

@user you don't see people drinking hot sauce after eating chillis, you see them chugging milk

@user the f*ck kind of milk you drinking?

user

I drink water after milk

Ginger Industries

so therefore if you put spicy stuff in your milk the entire thing will explode in a matter-antimatter annhilation

user

@lyxal the usual kind. Comes in a red glass bottle

lyxal

@user and you call me weird for having my phone on fan loop all night

Ginger Industries

12:28

@user ah, what you've got is called Satan Milk

@mathcat you know too much.

user

@lyxal you do much more weird stuff than that lol

lyxal

like what?

drinking water after milk?

user

You have a video of a boiling kettle

lyxal

boiling glass kettle

big difference

user

You are the primary shitposter here

@lyxal the water neutralize s the spicy

Sometimes i put milk over tasteless food to give it taste

lyxal

12:31

@user tf kind of cows you got over there in America?

you feeding them peppers or something?

user

I’ve never been able to make ice cream at home tho

lyxal

did you try using liquid nitrogen?

@user what colour is your milk?

user

images.app.goo.gl/FvBnEr16hAmGGmGA9

@lyxal red obviously

lyxal

@user see now that's the problem.

milk isn't supposed to be red

if your milk is red, you haven't fully set it up yet

user

lyxal

12:34

typical amazon selling you disassembled milk

user

Ohhhh

lyxal

you gotta dip it in the liquid nitrogen first

user

How do you assemble?

lyxal

13 secs ago, by lyxal

you gotta dip it in the liquid nitrogen first

user

@lyxal oic thanks

lyxal

12:35

that removes the spice

makes it cool

user

Do i microwave it afterwards?

lyxal

no, idiot. That just makes it spicy again

you need to let it sunbake for a bit

let the vitamin D enrich the flavour

user

Whoops thanks for all the help

lyxal

no worries.

Happy to help you be normal like the rest of us

user

Do you grt your milk preassembled

lyxal

12:36

I do

user

If so where do you get it

lyxal

I can't tell you

user

Cailuse i don’t want to assemble myself

lyxal

Gamers don't reveal their milk dealers

user

:(

lyxal

12:37

but if you go down any shady alleyway, you should be able to find someone able to point you in the direction of a milk dealer

they'd operate in broad daylight, but a) that could accidentally make the milk spicy again and b) amazon doesn't like milk dealers because it reduces sales of unassembled milk and liquid nitrogen

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Q: Rolling a ball over a list

Starting with a binary list (just 1s and 0s) we are going to roll a ball over it. The ball has a position and a direction. At every step the ball does the following: If the number at it's position is 1, then flip the direction. It "bounces". Flip the number, if it's 0 replace it with 1, if it...

code-golf array

Ginger Industries

@lyxal I'm not legaly allowed to answer that

lyxal

@GingerIndustries well can you illegally answer it then?

Ginger Industries

@lyxal no, I said legaly. I need to be sitting down to answer that

lyxal

oh

Ginger Industries

12:40

i have found a chair

lyxal

good.

Ginger Industries

we have Spicy Cows

lyxal

yikes

Ginger Industries

yes

however, the milk isn't supposed to be spicy

if it is that means your farmer didn't set up their cow correctly

lyxal

I assume it'd be a PEBFAC error

Ginger Industries

12:42

however, this is much less common nowadays. the real reason we don't use RbST is because it makes the milk too spicy to counteract.

brb

lyxal

well if you're going, I'm going too

I'm tired and need to sleep

o/

ophact

12:56

Anybody happen to know why I keep getting captchas nowadays?

PyGamer0

@ophact because you are a robot

/s

CMP: Direct Carrot or Alternating Carrot

Ginger Industries

returned

@PyGamer0 I prefer Diced Cow

PyGamer0

13:25

in flax, 40 secs ago, by PyGamer0

if anyone wants anything added to flax, then feel free to open an issue

Ginger Industries

wait so
if you make a webpage for flax
would it use
a FLAXBOX

New Posts

13:38

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Q: Count numbers that are concatenations of two squares

Given a list of positive integers count how many of them can be represented as a concatenation of two square numbers. Numbers may not begin with 0 (except for 0). Leading zeros in input should be ignored. Examples 11 -> counted because 1 and 1 are squars 90 -> counted because 9 and 0 are squares ...

code-golf integer

Wezl - y izl

13:51

@user idk

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