The Nineteenth Byte

user

00:27

This chatroom ought to be monitored by the CIA lol

There's always stuff about nukes and random weapons and stuff

Ginger Industries

@user well how do you know that's not what I'm doing

lyxal

(to my FBI agent - ignore this, you don't need to worry about the CIA getting involved lol)

Ginger Industries

@lyxal okay, I'll make sure she gets that.

lyxal

no no she already saw it

just by me even typing it, she's seen it

who else do you think is watching me through my webcam right now?

Ginger Industries

no comment.

where my pakidge at

lyxal

00:39

Why do so many unicode characters have to be non-single-width?

Like really, it makes codepage design so hard

Ginger Industries

they did it specifically to spite you, lyxal.

lyxal

sad

I just want to use ⃤ in my code

and that should be a triangle

⃤

caird coinheringaahing

@user How do you think us 4 ROs won the election?

Ginger Industries

shhhhhhhh

they already know too much

Unrelated String

@lyxal it's a good thing that characters have a wide range of widths in normal fonts but yeah it would be really nice if monospace fonts had wider coverage

Ginger Industries

00:48

when you accidentally turn on light mode

OldSandboxPosts

01:00

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Is it an action?

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing so that's why I lost. The backing of the NSA and CIA is stronger than that of the FBI it seems. :p

Ginger Industries

redwolf keeps turning off OISB which breaks OLIMAR

lyxal

OISB?

Ginger Industries

@lyxal Online Interpreter Shared Back-end

lyxal

01:18

Til

Ginger Industries

The Interpreter Loader

lyxal

Lol

Ginger Industries

Lyxal's Online evaLuator

hyper-neutrino

is there a sql query to insert something if it doesn't exist and update the existing row otherwise?

i could use if statements but that seems clunky and prone to race conditions potentially

lyxal

@GingerIndustries excellent

@hyper-neutrino doesn't SQL overwrite existing entries by default?

hyper-neutrino

01:24

i don't think so?

you use INSERT INTO table (col1, col2, ...) VALUES (val1, val2, ...) to add and UPDATE table SET col1 = val1, col2 = val2 WHERE some condition to edit

i think

i tried looking this up but can't seem to find anything that does what i want so i suspect it may not be core functionality lol

lyxal

INSERT ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE seems to be something

dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/insert.html

I haven't touched SQL in 3 years

4 probably

release me

►

Unrelated String

meaning you have touched sql? :'(

lyxal

@UnrelatedString once upon a time, I did an intro to sql course

And by course I mean online tutorial thing

groklearning.com

That's where I did it

Unrelated String

was about to say "were you even at a university four years ago"

hyper-neutrino

ah, thanks

INSERT ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE didn't actually work since i'm not using mysql (my bad, should've specified) but it gave me the words i needed to look up the right answer :P

apparently it's INSERT ... ON CONFLICT (columns) DO UPDATE SET ...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

lyxal

01:33

Gotta love differences in semantics

hyper-neutrino

yep

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Why on earth am I getting an email confirmation thing when I used sign in with google

Isn't the whole point that you can't sign in with google using an email account that doesn't exist or that you don't have access to

lyxal

It probably triggers the same script that runs when an email is used

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino Can you delete unregistered users?

hyper-neutrino

yes

Fmbalbuena

01:45

Ok, I mean delete

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@GingerIndustries I haven't turned it off since this morning

If anything's gone wrong it's OLIMAR or PICMIN's fault

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino Wait, Are you a mod?

hyper-neutrino

??? yes??

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Yes, HN is a mod. You can tell because there's a diamond by his name.

Fmbalbuena

Then are you a modification of some user, Sock?

hyper-neutrino

01:49

i don't understand what you're asking

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Mod is short for moderator, not modification, in this context

Fmbalbuena

Sorry

user

I think Fmbalbuena may have been trying to make a joke (is that right?)

Fmbalbuena

@user yes

emanresu A

02:24

Hi

Sandbox Posts

03:41

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Find my Māori pronouns The Māori language has quite simple pronouns. It uses a single word for he/she/they/etc (ia), and the words for "you" and "me" are koe and au respectively. There are also words for groups of two or more people: tāua - You and me (we, au and koe) māua - Me and them (we, au ...

emanresu A

03:51

Me when trying to rebuild Rustpython

Aand I just realised I forgot to enable -ssl so I'll have to do it all over again

lyxal

CMQ: Monospaced non-ascii characters for built-ins that return range(0, n), range(0, n + 1), range(1, n) and range(1, n + 1)

emanresu A

IMO Vyxal's current ones are fine

Unrelated String

04:18

@lyxal in dvsm or in some other monospace font

PyGamer0

@lyxal /\

Unrelated String

04:30

for [0,n] i'd personally lean towards something containing z due to my jelly bias but if indexing is 0-based you could use something based on i for "inclusive"

∶∵∴∷ could work as a 4-part graphical analogy perhaps

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Ooh, those are what Ash used

Unrelated String

ooh nice lmao

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I got rid of them though because of monospacing reasons

Unrelated String

sad

they seem to work fine in dvsm but probably not in most other fonts

tio.run/##y0rNyan8//9Rx7ZHHVtrHnVsedSxvYYrMbEGiP7/BwA

...the absolute worst idea: џцшщ

2

PyGamer0

04:52

idea: abcd

Unrelated String

ɜɝəɚ

zʑʒʓ

emanresu A

Anyone know how to import jelly?

Unrelated String

i know the readme says something about installing it as a package

emanresu A

Oh wait nvm

Unrelated String

nŋmɱ

not exactly mnemonic though

PyGamer0

04:58

@emanresuA you just import jelly :p

Unrelated String

i might honestly recommend zʑʒʓ lmao

emanresu A

I was trying to do import jellylanguage

Because that's the pip name

Unrelated String

wait it's on pip

but yeah it's import jelly

er
pypi

lyxal

@UnrelatedString no, you pip install the files from the repo after you download them from github

Unrelated String

oh yeah

lyxal

05:01

pip install .

Like that

Unrelated String

except there's no name involved with that

because you just use .

emanresu A

pretty sure pip install jellylanguage works too

Unrelated String

jellylanguage is the name of the repo though

lyxal

@emanresuA if it's not on the pypi, it won't.

Unrelated String

might work if it's in the directory containing jellylanguage but that seems doubtful yeah

you'd probably have to do ./jellylanguage

emanresu A

05:04

That's run as root

Unrelated String

probably only acting that way because you already have it installed

consideirngi t's not on pypi

emanresu A

Oh true...

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString n..no i dont see it on pypi

emanresu A

Oh well then

PyGamer0

ªåāæăąàáâãäa

PyGamer0

05:20

ok i hate this subject called biology

CMP: Math or maths?

caird coinheringaahing

smath

PyGamer0

smoth

lyxal

smuth

emanresu A

hamst (er)

PyGamer0

£€£

%%CMC:%% Cube then half n.

lyxal

05:35

@UnrelatedString I think I actually like those

Unrelated String

it has both a graphical analogy and a verbal mnemonic since both of the ranges that contain 0 are zs

lyxal

I think I'll use them

thank you

Unrelated String

yw

i'm probably going to use them too lmao

the more i look at them the better they get

lyxal

and they line up perfectly on SE answers

Unrelated String

ayyyy

lyxal

05:38

Unrelated String

gorgeous

emanresu A

^

Time to compile Vyxal into a single python file

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Some of these symbols don't line up

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing which ones?

Unrelated String

are they all in the top row

caird coinheringaahing

05:47

@lyxal there's a star on the top row, but not in the explanations

lyxal

@UnrelatedString no

Unrelated String

the ones that line up i mean

*don't

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's because I've changed some of them as I choose characters

This is to see what they'd look like as the traditional answer at the top, exploded program explanation format

I'm not bothered about matching exactly, just the aesthetics and whether or not SE will align them properly

This isn't an actual answer btw this is codepage planning

PyGamer0

05:59

and for flax i changed p to ⍪ and changed increment / decrement to } / {

one day or the other ill make the quicks

@lyxal noice

DialFrost

06:20

shld i post cubax folding

Razetime

is it possible to answer in type systems of popular languages (i.e. Haskell, Rust) ?

DialFrost

anybody

razetime?

advice pls thx

Razetime

gimme a moment

DialFrost

k

Razetime

06:36

@DialFrost wow, this si complex

and it's quite well specified, I can understand what the problem is.

you may want to add the puzzle credits at the top of the question

PyGamer0

07:13

CMQ: Glyphs (present on the high line, aka ^`¹⁴⁹) for grouping. Jelly's ¤$ƊƲ¥ɗʋ

ok i got:

    "˙": quick_chain(0, 2),
    "ᴹ": quick_chain(1, 2),
    "ᵐ": quick_chain(1, 3),
    "ᴰ": quick_chain(2, 2),
    "ᵈ": quick_chain(2, 3),

Unrelated String

07:36

husk's oȯö are a nice idea

oh you mean specifically superscripts

yeah that's probably as good as you can get

⁾ could be good for ¤

emanresu A

@Razetime Tjjfvi's done TypeScript types

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString wont it become asymmetrical

and anyways im also using bqn glyphs

Unrelated String

ah

PyGamer0

so scan will be `

and reduce will be ´

and outer product will be ⌜

self / swap will be ˜

Adám

07:52

That's just BQN, isn't it?

PyGamer0

yes

Adám

D'oh, you just said that.

PyGamer0

yes

Adám

I that syntactic class can be directly seen from the glyphs, but BQN isn't easy for me to read in normal font sizes. All the accents look the same.

PyGamer0

well BQN is a practical language, flax isnt

@Adám yeah the accents are tiny

emanresu A

08:04

Challenge idea: transpose an infinite list

Adám

@emanresuA ngn/apl's input fails

emanresu A

That's probably a setup issue, one moment

Hm... the apl function doesn't take input arguments and I don't know how to pass input to it.

It appears I never set it up because I simply wasn't sure how.

If you could tell/show me that'd be great

Adám

I have no idea either.

pxeger is trying to figure it out for ATO too.

emanresu A

Wait I think I might have figured it out, can you try now?

Adám

Now I get Error: assertion failed immediately.

emanresu A

08:19

Hmm... that'd be asrt(typeof s==='string')

Except I am passing it a string

Now? (dso-testing.surge.sh/#ngn-apl)

Adám

TypeError: A is not a constructor

emanresu A

That appears to be an internal issue with ngn/apl

As it's calling new A(s) itself

Nothing I can do about that

Adám

Don't worry about it. It is abandoned.

emanresu A

Okay

Would you mind trying to explicitly print something? (same url)

Adám

Prints, then undefined on the next line.

Razetime

08:35

@emanresuA yep i know

just wanna know if the same is possible with other languages

or if it's just harder maybe

emanresu A

Depends... you could ask them what features other type systems have

Bubbler

Typescript type system is very advanced and weird at the same time

I guess Haskell one is advanced enough (if you turn on lots of features), but Rust is definitely not ready yet (or likely forever)

PyGamer0

how do you even answer in a type system

Bubbler

08:50

In general, dependently typed languages can +- do that, but usually there's no difference in syntax between a type-level function and a "plain" function, so there's no special "XXX's type system" answers in those languages

Typescript is unique because it was closely tied to JS patterns from the start and therefore was designed JSically, not mathematically

PyGamer0

JS is a religion?

2

Adám

Appears so, since people stay with it even if it is objectively bad.

PyGamer0

lol

New Posts

09:12

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Q: Distance to closest subsequent value

Inspired from this SO post. Given a vector (first parameter), e.g.: char = ["A", "B", "C", "A", "A"] For each element of the vector, find the distance to the closest subsequent specified value (second parameter). When the element is equal to the specified value, return 0. f(char, "A") -> [0 2 1 ...

code-golf

emanresu A

10:17

o/

PyGamer0

o|

Adám

o\

ThisFieldIsRequired

ol

emanresu A

Uh, just one thing I noticed: The first nomination here won't be able to receive a bounty if it wins as the OP has no answers and hasn't been here in months.

Unrelated String

oX

lyxal

10:21

/o\

ThisFieldIsRequired

\o/

emanresu A

ø⁄

ThisFieldIsRequired

O/

while we're at it: 0/

Adám

⦻

lyxal

 o
⌐|¬
 ^

Adám

10:23

Cute.

lyxal

Thank you.

ThisFieldIsRequired

why are we doing this?

Adám

 ⍜
└┼┘
/¯\

lyxal

@ThisFieldIsRequired it is what it is.

Sometimes emoticon chains happen.

And then it inevitably gets moved elsewhere by a room owner

Adám

Not if it doesn't go on for too long. Shall we stop here?

lyxal

10:25

I think so

ThisFieldIsRequired

(N)o/

just kidding, yes let's stop

lyxal

Best quit while we're ahead

And no pun intended

ThisFieldIsRequired

what? don't see the pun

lyxal

> ahead

ThisFieldIsRequired

oh

lyxal

10:26

That's what the o in o/ is lol

New Posts

10:53

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Q: How do I change my stove's temperature?

My stovetop has 10 (0 through 9) different settings of heat and a very odd way of cycling through them. It always starts at 0 When I hit plus (+) it increments the number, unless the number is 9 in which case it becomes 0, or the number is 0 in which case it becomes 9. When I hit minus (-) it ...

code-golf

lyxal

11:46

woah when did they change the looks of the settings page for github repos?

PyGamer0

@lyxal 4.....5 months ago

just kiddin

probably a week ago

lyxal

I know it's not lol

what the heck happened there?

PyGamer0

did you use unicode in the title?

lyxal

that should be in english

PyGamer0

lool

lyxal

11:49

@PyGamer0 it should be "A golfing language that has aspects of traditional programming languages"

but for some reason it's been translated

pxeger

where is the screenshot from?

lyxal

the insights tab on github

more specifically the traffic section

obviously from vyxal

here

(note: requires organisation membership to view)

pxeger

strange indeed

lyxal

it appears like that for you as well?

pxeger

yes

PyGamer0

11:59

@lyxal yes

ThisFieldIsRequired

12:12

@pxeger I was curious about Attempt This Online, so I went to read the terms of service. It seems a little... extreme. No offense intended of course.

pxeger

My only response to this is that I am paranoid

ThisFieldIsRequired

okay...

lyxal

@pxeger you're paranoid people will use ATO to enable the raw tomato market?

Interesting.

ThisFieldIsRequired

Is it necessary to make a Terms of Service for any service like that? I'm asking because I plan to make one myself and release it to the public, as I'm working on a new programming language.

lyxal

ato.pxeger.com/…

Oops just broke the ToS :p

ThisFieldIsRequired

12:21

Yes, I love raw tomatoes

lyxal

Thank you for helping me break the terms and services of Attempt this online.

ThisFieldIsRequired

you know what, I might make a challenge called "how much juice is there in this raw tomato?" and require people to post a link to ATO.

lyxal

Really rub it in. Nice one!

ThisFieldIsRequired

pxeger.com/pgp.asc

> Translate page from Maltese?

StackMeterPlus

sup

ThisFieldIsRequired

12:29

hello

Any feedback?

Ginger Industries

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

pxeger

@lyxal lmao I was wondering if anyone would notice that

Ginger Industries

> manufacturing, promotion, sale, procurement, or use of weapons or explosives

sorry Redwolf

StackMeterPlus

@ThisFieldIsRequired it's quite interesting, though you can only work in increments of 32 and 33

also i found this challenge

pxeger

@ThisFieldIsRequired most things will probably be covered under anti-hacking laws but if you want to disallow things like raw tomatoes or "content that seeks to promote a political or religious interest" then you'll need some kind of ToS

ThisFieldIsRequired

12:35

@StackMeterPlus Yes, and that's why I have let you assume that you will only be given inputs for which a solution exists. And since you can do "happy new year", "have a happy new year", "happy new year to you" and "have a happy new year to you", there are 4 possible "modulo 32" values for the non-exclamation part, then you keep adding 33 thereafter to get the total sum of character codes. But I agree that there isn't always a solution.

@pxeger Right, got it. Do you see what people write on ATO? If not, then it probably isn't necessary to prohibit content that seeks to promote a political or religious interest, or for that matter raw tomatoes.

StackMeterPlus

@ThisFieldIsRequired oh ok

pxeger

@lyxal adds 120.xxx.xxx.63 and 205.xxx.xxx.72 to IP block list (those are literally the IP addresses you just used btw)

that's presuming you're the only ATO user using the DuckDuckGo mobile browser on iOS

wait actually there are logs from DDG on iOS and on Android

lyxal

Mmm which one is me?

pxeger

IIRC you use android actually so probably the 120.xxx.xxx.63 one

yep, that's the one which is in Australia

ThisFieldIsRequired

frankly I don't even know my own IP address.

pxeger

12:43

I know it ;)

ThisFieldIsRequired

someone knows me better than I know myself ;)

lyxal

I wonder who's using ddg on ios

pxeger

@lyxal somebody in Maryland, USA

Wheat Wizard

There's a duckduckgo browser?

ThisFieldIsRequired

yes

it's great

and there's also an App Protection feature and a private Email

but the browser is only on mobile

on desktop, you are confined to the duckduckgo extension

@pxeger Alright, what browser was I using?

pxeger

12:45

@ThisFieldIsRequired 162.xxx.xxx.56?

ThisFieldIsRequired

maybe I have no clue

pxeger

if you just google "my IP address" you'll find a website which will tell you

@ThisFieldIsRequired Edge 98 on Windows 10?

ThisFieldIsRequired

wrong

I'm on windows 11

lyxal

Yikes.

pxeger

maybe win11 just still says win10 in its user agent

is the rest of it right?

ThisFieldIsRequired

12:46

yes

lyxal

@pxeger welp guess I'm using Tor to use ATO then

ThisFieldIsRequired

yes, even the version is correct.

lyxal

@ThisFieldIsRequired do you have those enabled?

ThisFieldIsRequired

yes

both of them

but I haven't used my duck email yet

lyxal

I use my duck email for SE

ThisFieldIsRequired

12:49

My app protection blocks hundreds of tracking attempts in Adobe Acrobat, and...

of all apps, avast mobile security.

lyxal

I was surprised to see that my text messaging app sends tracking requests to Twitter and Amazon

ThisFieldIsRequired

whatsapp probably?

lyxal

@ThisFieldIsRequired how many total attempts have you blocked?

ThisFieldIsRequired

thousands by now probably

it once blocked 130 in an hour

lyxal

@ThisFieldIsRequired no, a standard SMS app

ThisFieldIsRequired

12:50

oh, that's weird

lyxal

It's called NextSMS or handcent or something like that

ThisFieldIsRequired

never heard of it

Wheat Wizard

I've blocked 888 thousand tracking requests on this computer alone.

ThisFieldIsRequired

computer?

lyxal

@ThisFieldIsRequired I only use it because it has a wearos companion app and because I didn't want to use the stock messaging app

ThisFieldIsRequired

12:52

it's available on computer? @WheatWizard

Wheat Wizard

Is what available on computer?

ThisFieldIsRequired

the app protection thing you mentioned

Wheat Wizard

Yes.

ThisFieldIsRequired

is it part of the duckduckgo extension or is it separate?

Wheat Wizard

Separate.

ThisFieldIsRequired

12:54

WHat's it called?

Wheat Wizard

uBlock origin.

lyxal

I wonder if duckduckgo will build app protection into their desktop app when they eventually release it

ThisFieldIsRequired

oh that one. I'll try it sometime @WheatWizard

lyxal

What I love about duck emails is that you can get infinite free trials all to the same email address

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