The Nineteenth Byte

Ginger Industries

14:00

hmmmmmmmmmmm

well it sure looks correct

I'd say that what if 2 is what's going to be released

we'll know in 59m

thejonymyster

youll know in 59m. ill be processing invoices

Ginger Industries

don't worry, I'll tell all of yall what it is

thejonymyster

what if its a bomb

and the website blows up

Ginger Industries

we'll know in 56m

Fmbalbuena

@mathcat crack

mathcat

14:05

@Fmbalbuena I know it's very hard, so here's a reference:

Fmbalbuena

in Python?

mathcat

Depends what you mean by string

Fmbalbuena

12377
4567
19999

=

6

mathcat

How can that be a string?

Fmbalbuena

@mathcat This is STDIN and below STDOUT

New Posts

14:09

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Q: Generate a lot of random files in randomly nested directories FAST!

This is rather a practical question. In my pull request here I need to generate a lot of files and directories for benchmarking different implementations of Glob. I'm running into "too many open files" error with current Node.js implementation, even after using a package that is suppose to avoid ...

mathcat

Well it's the same approuch:

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

14:26

Morning!

Ugh I am very tired

:o xkcd countdown has half an hour left

To quote Mark Twain,

CONSUME IT RUB IT ON YOUR FLIPPERS

Fmbalbuena

xkcd countdown?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

xkcd.com

In the header, to the right

Fmbalbuena

what happens if Countdown reaches 00h 00m?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nobody knows

My guess is the simulataneous activation of every nuclear warhead on the planet

Frick it's been spoiled

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Nope, My best guess is that the dinosaurs spawn.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

14:30

Don't go to the explainxkcd if you don't want spoilers

Fmbalbuena

explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

(Main page)

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I think I will make A golflang, What i should do?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Well, first you'll need to make some important decisions

mathcat

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Hi

You missed my explanation of how to halve a string

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

When/where was this?

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani which?

chamtat

14:35

@taRadvylfsriksushilani scroll up a bit

ups sorry

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Fmbalbuena 1. Tacit, prefix, postfix, or something else?

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Tacit

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Why do so many new golflang designers choose tacit |~:

mathcat

@taRadvylfsriksushilani wat

I chose stack

and Bgil prefix

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Fair enough

Fmbalbuena

14:37

@taRadvylfsriksushilani because I like Jelly

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Tacit's hard to be competitive in without cloning Jelly

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Can you implement gcd and lcm?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

LCM can be trivially made using GCD

You can find fast GCD on wikipedia

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani or Rosetta code.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Those likely won't be efficient implementations

Neil

14:40

@thejonymyster the language takes an image and its scale as input, so depending on what scale you say it is the program does different things

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani from math import gcd Wrong

This is C code

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

The next choice you'll need to make is what you want your golfing language's goals to be. "Make it golfy" is an obvious one, but do you want to try to make it more readable? Focus on specific types of challenges? That sort of thing.

I'd really recommend deciding on some goals upfront. It's super easy to start adding way too many features to your first golflang that aren't focused around its goals

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani My goal is to be golfy and Make easy to solve challenges.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I'd add some more specific goals and ideas. Identify some part of modern golfing languages that you like, or think should be improved.

mathcat

@taRadvylfsriksushilani What do actually don't like about JS?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

14:44

Me?

I love JS

mathcat

o...ok

I heard a lot of rumors

Hmmm lemme save the permalink

for emergencies

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Jun 18 '21 at 22:31, by Redwolf Programs

@totallyhuman I will defend JS until I die, although I hate it

Jun 15 '21 at 22:00, by Redwolf Programs

I hate JS but that doesn't mean I don't really like it

mathcat

@taRadvylfsriksushilani You're like a typical hero in the movies, who has to defend a side character, but then the side character ultimately dies.

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Can you star This please

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

The countdown is shaking

@Fmbalbuena Github stars are like SE voting

Fmbalbuena

14:51

@taRadvylfsriksushilani OH NO

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

They're meant as a rating of quality

I am not going to publically state that I like your project by starring it, when I don't know anything about it yet

Fmbalbuena

Ok

mathcat

Jan 22 at 18:04, by hyper-neutrino

stop demanding people to do shit

Fmbalbuena

@mathcat Nope

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nobody likes being ordered to star or upvote things, or provide feedback on things, or whatever else

mathcat

14:54

CMC: Find the most redirected message in TNB

Fmbalbuena

What happens if countdown reaches 5m 00s?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I've been assuming this a language barrier, but it's been multiple months.

Fmbalbuena

see the countdown

... nothing happens.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

xkcd's timing out

Fmbalbuena

2 Minutes

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

14:57

Down to 2m

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani lol

thejonymyster

@Neil aha

someone on explainxkcd has a pretty plausible prediction for the countdown but were about to find out anyway so i wont reiterate

Fmbalbuena

1 Minute

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

It was spoiled already

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani what?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

14:59

But I won't reveal anything :p

thejonymyster

tbh i think itd be great if instead it was just like

Fmbalbuena

30 seconds

thejonymyster

it ended and it went away and he never mentioned it again

Fmbalbuena

15 seconds

7 seconds

Ginger Industries

10s

mathcat

14:59

Maybe my maths homework will blast

when it reaches 0

thejonymyster

ok there lol

Fmbalbuena

what if 2?

thejonymyster

it looks cool in red

Ginger Industries

IT'S WHAT IF 2

thejonymyster

reminds me of ape out

Ginger Industries

15:00

WHAT IF 2 CONFIRMED

Fmbalbuena

WHAT IF 2

mathcat

yeah

@mathcat :/

Fmbalbuena

I don't like.

mathcat

it didn't blast

Fmbalbuena

@mathcat when you say that will blast?

thejonymyster

15:01

tbh it seems like a silly question. if 2 then 1+1. duh

Ginger Industries

I sure know what I'm purchasing

mathcat

@Fmbalbuena It won't

thejonymyster

@GingerIndustries nuclear warhead

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Cat cannon

Nuclear warcat

Normal warcat

thejonymyster

dishwasher/washing machine combo

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

15:02

Genius

Gas-powered toaster

thejonymyster

wait that just reminds me of [relevant xkcd](the one where he compares different wrong ways to do things)

like washing your clothes in the oven etc

idk what to look up though

Ginger Industries

Wikipedia:Don't give the developers ideas

Over time, Wikipedians come to appreciate the amount of time the development and network operations teams put into keeping the site running as well as possible. In addition to learning this, another vital rule is picked up fairly early on in the learning process: Don't give the developers ideas. == Thou shalt not take the name of blocking in vain == One minute you're joking about pwnage and running vandal bots. Next, you're getting 403 errors from all the sites. You discover that a network operator has blacklisted your entire ISP with a well-placed line in the Squid configuration. Who's pwned now...

thejonymyster

that sent me on a wikiwalk help

Ginger Industries

it's done

@taRadvylfsriksushilani microwave-powered toaster

you have to close a protective cover over the top before starting it

mathcat

15:17

uh

somehow my glb file is not working

Ginger Industries

sorry Netherlands, looks like you'll have to wait a while

mathcat

eyy I can order it

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Wiki of Ash?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

github.com/RedwolfPrograms/ash/wiki

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I think I will work my golflang.

Ginger Industries

15:32

@mathcat I've added some error handling

mathcat

nice

ITS WORKING

What would be a better contender for pepper's ghost club than this guy here

Ginger Industries

@mathcat what was the issue?

mathcat

idk

its working now

wait

weird guy #2

Ginger Industries

@mathcat do you have one of the prisms?

mathcat

?

I'm seeing like four weird things rotated

Ginger Industries

15:46

@mathcat correct, check help

also reload the page bc I just fixed a bug

mathcat

camera zoom's not working

Ginger Industries

@mathcat ???

works fine for me

mathcat

Can you send the glb file you're using?

Ginger Industries

try reloading

mathcat

Everythings working except zoom

nvm probably smth wrong with my file

Ginger Industries

15:51

alr

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I should try designing a lossy compression algorithm

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani ^((0+)(?: \2(?:)0*\g<1>|$)) regex (PHP flavor, sorry), Is this valid?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

No idea, sorry

Ginger Industries

16:09

@taRadvylfsriksushilani for what?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

~~exe files~~

Just images

I mean, I guess PSIF could be considered a lossy image format

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani you could try making one for JSON

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

A lossy compression format for JSON?

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani no, lossless

json's got lots of whitespace and stuff, you could prob make it smaller

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I've made one before

Ginger Industries

16:15

...of course

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

JSON has no whitespace tho

Unless you choose to add it

thejonymyster

golflang where programs are decompressed a few times before being evaluated

nvm thats just what compression algorithms r

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@thejonymyster Thing is, compression doesn't work well with things that are already information-dense

thejonymyster

lang that is optimized for being compressed

Ginger Industries

@thejonymyster you mean APOL

thejonymyster

16:19

yaay

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@thejonymyster Application specific compression is always better

In other words, code pages and stuff :p

Ginger Industries

I may have made the perfect compressible golflang by accident

thejonymyster

@taRadvylfsriksushilani right lol fair

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

My next golflang is going to be a very interesting paradigm

thejonymyster

exciting !

Ginger Industries

16:21

Paradime: A golflang based on money

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Paradame: When a knight's wife jumps out of a plane

Ginger Industries

Pararhyme: A golflang written in iambic pentameter

thejonymyster

i actually was working on a dumb lang based on rhyming

Ginger Industries

hello person, welcome back to TNB!

it's been 1/3 of a year since you last spoke

thejonymyster

good morning welcome back to tnb flows better

sorry im nitpicky about iambs

i did write a regex that.. roughly, detects syllables

its surprisingly good, but it does currently not know how to detect syllables that split on vowels

like it splits neanderthal "nean der thal" iirc

Ginger Industries

16:27

huh

thejonymyster

since it looks for consonants to start syllables usually

Ginger Industries

@GingerIndustries I feel like an esolang that involves "trading" of memory values could be interesting

plus the name is a pun

thejonymyster

@GingerIndustries that makes me think like a tcg

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

16:51

I think I have a name for my golfing language

It's based on katlani

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani nice

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani How to save this game

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

You used to be able to save it on my server, but since I disabled PHP, you can't anymore

Fmbalbuena

:(

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Code?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

For the PHP?

Fmbalbuena

16:53

@taRadvylfsriksushilani No, code for saving game

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Hmm. Let me try some stuff.

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani which stuff?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

JSON.stringify([resources, unlocked, trades, deals, unldeal, offers, multiplier, othreads, auto]);

That'll make a save string

[resources, unlocked, trades, deals, unldeal, offers, multiplier, othreads, auto] = JSON.parse(...); that'll restore from it

Fmbalbuena

How to get JSON code?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Just paste it in the console

Paste it here when you're done so I can make sure it worked right

Fmbalbuena

16:58

[[1004,912,1160,921,2,78,0,0],3,[{"age":378,"buy":{"id":1,"count":1354},"sell":{"id":4,"count":308}},{"age":360,"buy":{"id":0,"count":417},"sell":{"id":4,"count":42}},{"age":null,"buy":{"id":4,"count":4},"sell":{"id":1,"count":23}},{"age":null,"buy":{"id":0,"count":717},"sell":{"id":2,"count":147}},{"age":null,"buy":{"id":3,"count":30},"sell":{"id":0,"count":161}},{"age":null,"buy":{"id":1,"count":15},"sell":{"id":3,"count":7}},{"age":null,"buy":{"id":3,"count":16},"sell":{"id":1,"count":28}},{"age":null,"buy":{"id":3,"count":10},"sell":{"id":4,"count":5}}],[{"age":null,"buy":{"id":0,"count…

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Yep, looks correct

Fmbalbuena

Thanks

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Wait there is 6 char limit???

mathcat

@taRadvylfsriksushilani exiting!

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Fmbalbuena You'll need to do the JSON.parse() thing

Paste [resources, unlocked, trades, deals, unldeal, offers, multiplier, othreads, auto] = JSON.parse(prompt()); into the console

Then paste your save string into the popup box

thejonymyster

@mathcat where is it going

Ginger Industries

17:02

@taRadvylfsriksushilani what about this

mathcat

to Santa Claus

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I can Hack by changing [1004,912,1160,921,2,78,0,0] to [9999999,999999,9999999,9999999,9999999,999999,9999999,99999999999]

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Yep, but you could also just do resources[7] = Infinity :p

Fmbalbuena

:p

thejonymyster

you could lie and say you won

0 bytes

Fmbalbuena

17:06

@taRadvylfsriksushilani or something I can hack is {"age":null,"buy":{"id":3,"count":30},"sell":{"id":0,"count":161}} to {"age":null,"buy":{"id":3,"count":999999999999999999999999999999},"sell":{"id":0,"count":-1}}

DLosc

17:37

@thejonymyster Why, certainly! I'm picky there myself.

thejonymyster

at least i know im not alone in it

well, back to work i go. see you all soon

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

o/

New Posts

17:55

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Q: Climbing the Bookshelf

Introduction You're making a robot that can navigate a set of books of varying heights. It can climb books and jump off books, but if the distance is too big it will stop to prevent damage. To firgure out the ideal design, you're writing a simulator. Your program will take as input a list of numb...

code-golf simulation algorithm

emanresu A

Just got Yearling! Here's to a year of golfing :P

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nice!

Made a custom terminal theme

emanresu A

18:15

@taRadvylfsriksushilani 43 bytes

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Wait...TIO's unblocked!

But some of its files aren't

emanresu A

Oh you're at school

Wait actually 41

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Ooh, I've never seen that trick before

With the [a, ...x]

pxeger

oops I didn't read 5 messages up lol

emanresu A

42 'cos your nan trick though

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I've seen Arnauld use it a few times

@taRadvylfsriksushilani compression-artifacts.png

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

18:18

Would [a,b,...x] work?

Oh, no it wouldn't

emanresu A

Yes but it'd lose bytes later to f(x)

Here's some better recursion with 0-indexing for 41

Hello, World!

0

A: "Hello, World!"

Kotlin, 33 bytes fun main()=print("Hello, World!") Try it online! as usual as it gets... again

emanresu A

@taRadvylfsriksushilani ^^

Aaroneous Miller

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Turns out, not only is it good for more than one challenge, I just got an invite link of my own after level 2, so if anybody's wanting to do foobar, let me know

New Posts

0

Q: Turns out that you might not write the fun main for kotlin even if the post asks so because of this:

https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/101563/ as you can see, as the OP explains at the answer, if ran as a .kts file (kotlin but script) it won't need a main function as it starts from the top. What are y'all opinions on this? how should this case be treated?

discussion

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

18:30

@AaroneousMiller uh oh, exponential growth :p

Aaroneous Miller

Wouldn't that be linear growth, since each link only spawns one more link?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nope, you get another at level 4

Aaroneous Miller

oh nvm then

emanresu A

SE is so cursed sometimes... I did close and reopen reviews on the same thing.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

It's that time of year again...time to start making a really long list of operator ideas for a golfing language

emanresu A

18:58

Yay, cracked DLosc's thing

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nice!

emanresu A

It's probably a bad idea to allow access to arbitrary variables, even if it's extremely hard to use them

Ginger Industries

todo: get to 2k rep

emanresu A

todo: get to 23k rep

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

todo:
CONSUME NOW
CONSUME IT
RUB IT ON YOUR FLIPPERS

Ginger Industries

19:05

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I'M NOT AFRAID OF YOU AND YOUR TABLE

allxy

I AM SOCK FEED ME BUTTER

allyx

Morning

Ah nice to see some fellow socks

sockpuppers(TM)

emanresu A

Everyone seems to have socks now

allyx

Socks are cool

I'm actually a sock of a sock

And I'm wearing socks, luckily

emanresu A

You're... Gold Farmer Sprow's sock?

allyx

19:16

Close

Ginger Industries

todo: get a sock

emanresu A

@allyx Redwolf SMP's sock?

allyx

@GingerIndustries There's a store near my house that sells socks, ground beef, and vacuum cleaners

As well as other assorted products

@emanresuA Not sure if you're getting closer or farther

Mostly on account of I lied when I said close lol

emanresu A

You're mean

Are you actually a sock of a sock?

allyx

If I went through enough effort to change the colour of my crystal thingy, I'm going to try to keep my identity a secret :P

@emanresuA You could say that, yeah

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

19:19

caird?

(I say that b/c "colour")

thejonymyster

@taRadvylfsriksushilani how is that name pronounced? ive never known

emanresu A

I say colour

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@thejonymyster "cared"

Ginger Industries

@allyx good, I need a 200-foot lead sphere

thejonymyster

@taRadvylfsriksushilani That makes more sense than what I had in mind

but how about the "last-name"? (If you know)

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

19:21

Co-in-hear-ing-aah-ing

emanresu A

Don't ask me how to pronounce mine

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

It looks like it'd be "coin" something, but "coinhering" is a word ("co" + "inhere" + "ing")

allyx

Imagine having an ambiguous pronunciation in your name

emanresu A

Is yours like alex?

allyx

That, or possibly "all-eye-ks"

It's ambiguous

:P

emanresu A

19:27

@allyx That's probably more correct because lyxal is pronounced likesal

allyx

> A mole of bytes would be the SI standard

ಠ_ಠ

Wait, that's actually not too impractical of a measure of data

1 mol of bytes is around 24 MB

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

But there's still the trailing .022 or whatever

allyx

Err, I guess you could redefine the mole in terms of powers of two

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

foka

Bgil Midol

@taRadvylfsriksushilani translation?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

19:40

The o_o face with the eyebrows

chamtat

@allyx confirmed

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I've set up a system to log any events which occur in the room with a type ID other than 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, or 18

In other words, everything that the server sends that isn't a new message, edit, user joining, user leaving, ping, or reply

Hoping to figure out the format of lots of different types of events

emanresu A

Maybe try...

- Making someone a RO

- Kicking someone

- Adding/removing feeds

Probably better to do that in a different room though

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

yeah:

♦ Chat stuff / abc

Trying to find formats of WS stuff / slash

There's a pastebin of event ids somewhere

emanresu A

20:10

I think I sorta understand async JS now

DLosc

@emanresuA Welcome to the insane asylum

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

emanresu A

20:34

Calls redwolf

caird coinheringaahing

@BgilMidol The nomination for a post for Best Of is how you can convince people to vote for it, when other nominees may look stronger. I'd suggest elaborating a bit on two of your noms, and actually doing the third, before the posts get locked in a couple of days

Bgil Midol

@cairdcoinheringaahing link to it again?

caird coinheringaahing

This and this

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

20:49

Thank you chrome for trying to translate a latin-to-english dictionary from latin to english

emanresu A

Wow lol

DLosc

Hey, at least it knew it was Latin and not Spanish or something

Bgil Midol

21:03

@cairdcoinheringaahing better?

emanresu A

Crickets are loud

Especially ones trying to fly into a window

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Surround your house with snakes

emanresu A

We don't have snakes here

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Import snaked from africa

Or the sea

I can put a water moccasin in a box and ship it to you, then you can chop it into little pieces and stretch them out into more snakes

4

emanresu A

Big brain

caird coinheringaahing

21:13

@BgilMidol I mean, most of our challenges hit the HNQ. Think of it this way: what is it about that challenge that makes it worth 500 rep to you? Then explain that as the nomination

Fmbalbuena

21:29

@taRadvylfsriksushilani ?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

21:43

> # Run this bellow code it will fix the error

> bellow code

emanresu A

Who wrote this

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani which xkcd comic?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

It's from a what if, not a comic

allxy

Which one?

Oops, wrong account

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@emanresuA It's from one of those SO scraping sites, and it didn't keep the name of the person who wrote it

Fmbalbuena

21:47

@allxy Lol i said you.

allxy

Lol

DLosc

@allxy Hey everyone, I think allxy is emanresu A. Not sure why I think that, just a feeling. :P

allxy

Lyxal discovered it before you

emanresu A

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Looks like cat ears lol

emanresu A

21:52

I am plat, earn't

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

If only you were a mod, then you could have three

Fmbalbuena

@emanresuA Woah You got a secret notification

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

No, the one on the left is a flag lol

emanresu A

Lol

DLosc

@allxy That's (part of) the joke :P

emanresu A

21:55

Oh :P

DLosc

I think I figured out how I'm going to plug the loophole you found in Exceptionally... now I just need to figure out how to format the repost. I don't want to clutter up the cops thread with multiple copies of the full language description.

emanresu A

Just say "language spec is as in this post, except variables are immutable" or something

♦ Chat stuff / abc

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