The Nineteenth Byte

lyxal

13:00

Nah they're just doing their bit to get people's close vote review stats up lol

caird coinheringaahing

Waiting for them to post 654 more questions so I can get Steward :P

mathcat

@lyxal or they're trying to set a negative vote count record

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ooh nice, speaking of, I'm only 2 late answers reviews away from Reviewer :D

lyxal

Is it possible for a question to be in the cv queue more than once? (assuming reopens and then more vtcs)

caird coinheringaahing

Yes, I think so

lyxal

13:04

So technically it's possible to game the cv badges by grinding with 4 other people on a single question

Interesting.

mathcat

@mathcat Conspiracy theory: Dialfrost is a sock of Dennis, who wants to hold both vote/rep records.

lyxal

I mean they both have the same first and last letter, so it's not too absurd :p

Assuming you drop the t from dialfrost

PyGamer0

CMQ: What do you hate about python? .

mathcat

@PyGamer0 ah thanks

at last somewhere I can complain

lyxal

@lyxal it may or may not be 12:06am and I may or may not be slightly incapable of perfect comprehension right now

PyGamer0

13:07

@mathcat go ahead

and complain

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Sigma grindset

lyxal

@PyGamer0 the fact that itertools returns a different generator with no shared base class as objects like map, filter and range

PyGamer0

@lyxal you should probably goto sleep

mathcat

that python's not flexible with types, for example you can't add str to int.

lyxal

@PyGamer0 what else do you think I'm doing?

Heck, I was teeth brushing just a few seconds ago

PyGamer0

13:09

@mathcat ok the worst thing about python, its not APL :/

mathcat

that's 50% of my errors

lyxal

@PyGamer0 that's like saying that the problem with my desk chair is that it isn't a refrigerator

Both are things I use but they are absolutely not the same

PyGamer0

but everyone wants one to be the other

mathcat

@lyxal best point so far

Ginger Industries

mornin

PyGamer0

13:11

@GingerIndustries o_o

lyxal

@PyGamer0 Why tf do you want to store Lasagne and milk on a desk chair and sit on a refrigerator?

That just makes you weird.

Don't do that.

Don't sit on refrigerators

5

Ginger Industries

@PyGamer0 what have I done this tie

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal but you'll be so high up

5

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing I feel like we're all pretty high up rn

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing you can do that without sitting on refrigerators

caird coinheringaahing

13:12

@lyxal idk about you, but most fridges are taller than me

3

Ginger Industries

Sit on refrigerators to assert dominance over the weaker chair-sitters

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing haha you're short then

I'm taller than my fridge

Ginger Industries

@lyxal I do not have a short

Rachit Arora

it would be pretty impressive if someone could balance themselves on a lasagna which is balanced on a milk bottle, which is balanced on a desk chair

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal I'm average height (where the sample size is n = 1, me)

Ginger Industries

13:13

@RachitArora no, it's lasagnæ

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm above average then given that sample size.

mathcat

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm the mean one

Ginger Industries

@mathcat then I'm the spicy one

lyxal

@GingerIndustries I'm the tired one lol

o/ nerds.

Ginger Industries

biya! \\\\o

caird coinheringaahing

13:14

@lyxal Yeah, but you can easily say "I'm above average given <some sample>" :P

lyxal

Enjoy your exchange of conversation while I sleep

PyGamer0

@lyxal even me

Rachit Arora

brian and chuck is such a funny name for a language

Ginger Industries

@lyxal //o/o\\\o\/o/o\

caird coinheringaahing

I'm above average of C++ programmers, where the sample is me, and my two dogs

(at least, I hope)

Ginger Industries

13:15

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm sorry your dogs code

...in C++ instead of Python? My cats use python

PyGamer0

smh not jelly

Ginger Industries

@PyGamer0 You seem pretty jealous of my cats to me

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries No they don't, that's the point :P

PyGamer0

@cairdcoinheringaahing then teach them

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing conclusion: cats > dogs because cats can refrigerator but dogs ony c++

mathcat

13:16

yeah

@PyGamer0 brainf would be a good starting option

caird coinheringaahing

@PyGamer0 I can barely teach them to sit on command, let alone to code :P

Tho I suppose I just need to teach them how to google and how to copy-paste from stackoverflow

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's simple. Just let them type randomly on a keyboard and use GitHub Copilot to fix the errors!

this is how Bethesda makes games actually

Rachit Arora

@GingerIndustries lol

mathcat

@cairdcoinheringaahing your dogs can type the < and > keys and you just type a . at the end

PyGamer0

@GingerIndustries wht

Ginger Industries

13:19

I am literally a cat with an ಠ_ಠ face and I made a bot, you can do anything ʷᶦᵗʰᶦⁿ ᵗʰᵉ ˡᵃʷˢ ᵒᶠ ᵖʰʸˢᶦᶜˢ if you put your mind to it

Rachit Arora

hexagony is so confusing

I've tried to read its esolangs article 3 times and always got distracted halfway

Ginger Industries

so you're in
hex-agony???

Rachit Arora

true

PyGamer0

@GingerIndustries i know your not a cat, your a bat

Ginger Industries

@PyGamer0 excuse me

^ actually that sums up this whole conversation

PyGamer0

13:21

what?

Ginger Industries

@PyGamer0 I am not a cat, I am catman

PyGamer0

lol

Ginger Industries

nananananananana Catman

mathcat

13:54

@PyGamer0 am I a cat?

PyGamer0

your a math :P

mathcat

nananananananana Mathcat

Anush

CMC add spaces where needed to bpa.st/KXVA

(spacify?)

Ginger Industries

eh?

Anush

@GingerIndustries what is unclear?

Ginger Industries

14:06

@Anush what exactly are we supposed to do

Anush

@GingerIndustries take the string without spaces and add in spaces where they are need to make a proper english text

Ginger Industries

@Anush you want us to... parse English?

Anush

the string is Thisshouldhelpareaderquicklydecidewhattheprojectisabout,whytheprojectwasundertaken,whatmethodswereused,andwhetherornotthethesisisonethattheywanttoread.Thissummaryshouldendwithashortlistofbulletpointsthatsummarisethemaincontributionsandachievementsinyourproject.Forexample:

Ginger Industries

that is not easy but I may be able to do it

Anush

@GingerIndustries yes. This should be easy with a dictionary but the question is how golfed can it be

thejonymyster

14:09

do you think that challenge would be easier if the input was guaranteed to be lorem ipsum without spaces

Ginger Industries

@Anush I'll make a version that accepts a dictionary as input

one sec

Fmbalbuena

@GingerIndustries How to make a bot?

Anush

@GingerIndustries cool

@thejonymyster or maybe harder?

@thejonymyster I don't know the full vocab of lorem ipsum

or if it is prefix free

Fmbalbuena

@Anush lorem ipsum is random

mathcat

wait a sec why can't a find the account of 2x-1?

Anush

14:12

@Fmbalbuena yes

caird coinheringaahing

Likely they deleted their account

mathcat

oh

maybe that was the account that got deleted some time before

thejonymyster

@Anush i was hoping someone here knew offhand and would be like "ah yea dude totally yea of course yeah man" or "no dude ugh no wtf noo idiot nooo"

Fmbalbuena

1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=-1

thejonymyster

error: invalid left hand side

Fmbalbuena

14:20

@thejonymyster what is this?

mathcat

@Fmbalbuena in which language?

thejonymyster

@Fmbalbuena programming joke:) if you tried to use = to define the value of an expression, that is the kind of error you would get

Fmbalbuena

@mathcat APL

thejonymyster

wow apl broken how can anyone use that :\ /j

Fmbalbuena

@thejonymyster "=" means equals

and ← means define

thejonymyster

14:22

right, in apl the symbols are a bit better chosen for that :)

Fmbalbuena

@thejonymyster Guess this: 2×⌽⍳5

thejonymyster

two times a lantern snake

:P

unrelated but: feedback? the idea was original a regular challenge but I feel like the concept made more sense as a cops n robbers, but also its my first cops n robbers so idk if its suck

mathcat

the treasure is located between the 2 snakes

2

Anush

@thejonymyster that's what I often hope!

Fmbalbuena

@thejonymyster done

thejonymyster

14:30

thank you:D

Fmbalbuena

@thejonymyster Wait the secret can be any length?

thejonymyster

yea

robbers dont have to guess your S string or program though, they just have to come up with one which works in the same number of P and S

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

A possible issue I can see is if a robber makes an S that does the task on its own and ends with //

thejonymyster

that's how I've seen some cops n robbers questions work

@taRadvylfsriksushilani oh hm, that could be bad

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Maybe cops can specify a maximum byte count for S?

mathcat

14:35

@taRadvylfsriksushilani ?

Fmbalbuena

@taRadvylfsriksushilani correct

thejonymyster

@mathcat Solveproblem//junkjunkjunkSolveproblem//Solveproblem//junkjunkjunk

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@mathcat (// being JS's comment syntax, # for a python cop, the amogus thing for an APL cop, and so on)

mathcat

oh

@taRadvylfsriksushilani wait APL USES AMOGUS AS COMMENT?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

This does seem like a cool CnR though, and I think it would be possible to get around the commenting issue with things like newlines in P

thejonymyster

14:36

@mathcat not the one you might be thinking of

Fmbalbuena

@mathcat no, ⍝ is LED lamp

mathcat

ඞ?

thejonymyster

it is not that particular amogus, mathcat

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

⍝, a front view of a crewmate

mathcat

ooh

Fmbalbuena

14:38

:60150576 line(2,0) : error AC0008: error (SYNTAX ERROR) executing line "ඞ?"
                                                               ^
Complete: 1 error.

mathcat

it looks more like a ghost

thejonymyster

You look like a ghost...

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Like ghosts in the snow, like ghosts in the sun

mathcat

@thejonymyster thanks

nice poem

thejonymyster

@taRadvylfsriksushilani so it's the cop's problem then? pick a language and a P that makes it less easy to cheat?

@mathcat thank you O.O

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

14:39

Not even a language, just a P and possibly byte count

thejonymyster

oh not me :dies:

mathcat

nope

@thejonymyster ye

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@mathcat It's from a song (two, actually) :p

thejonymyster

now i look like a ghost

@taRadvylfsriksushilani awesome i love things not being my problem

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

ikr

Fmbalbuena

14:40

@thejonymyster Can you post to CGCC?

thejonymyster

when i get more upvotes, sure

@taRadvylfsriksushilani wait, would robbers have to match / not exceed the byte count?

Fmbalbuena

@thejonymyster add byte limit for S please

Adám

3

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@thejonymyster For S specifically

Adám

⍝

thejonymyster

14:42

aha.... now i understand

Fmbalbuena

@Adám Or something like

⍝
⍵

^ true sus

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

si baka susi

Wait so...1750 to 1900 is a single unit in my world history class?

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Seems like a lot of stuff happens in that time lol

thejonymyster

@taRadvylfsriksushilani when you think about the age of earth itself it is very small in comparison

my ideal world history class starts at the formation of the world

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

This one starts at 1450 though

thejonymyster

tsk tsk

so a few cnr posting questions

is there a set deadline you put for them or do you just like, eyeball it

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

14:52

→ 7 cups of flour moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

@thejonymyster For cops, or for safe answers?

thejonymyster

uhh a bunch of stuff actually now that i think about it

when do i accept robber winner? or do i do a leaderboard? how does all that scoring stuff work lol

do i gotta babysit it

or learn javascript

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I'd recommend copying all of the CnR-y stuff like deadlines and cracking rules from a different CnR

thejonymyster

ill do that, including the belated deadline

lol no ill just pick a relatively recent and upvoted one

and uh, fix the date n stuff

ty

Anush

@GingerIndustries any luck?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I'm working on it

Ginger Industries

14:57

@Anush I'm doing something else rn, sorry

Anush

@GingerIndustries no problem at all

but still a shame :)

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Anush How do I handle something like faunaback?

Is it "fauna back" or "faun aback"?

I can make a partial solution pretty easily, but one that can handle every possible situation will take a lot longer (even ignoring the faunaback issue)

thejonymyster

i love pairs of words that do that

is there a concise way to describe that property

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

When concatenated, there are multiple two item partitions where both sides are english words

thejonymyster

aha! thank you

very nice

Ginger Industries

15:04

@thejonymyster I'll invent a word

@thejonymyster "biduplicity"

mathcat

nonemerge

thejonymyster

would a word with a lot of possible splits be "highly biduplicitious"?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

polyduplicitous

thejonymyster

i thought the bi referred to being two words

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Oh yeah, I thought you meant multiple words

I'll try to find a twice-biduplicitous word

Peilonrayz

15:07

What is katlani? Google seems to come back with... not much. Y'all making a new language?

thejonymyster

man theres probably a lot of fun to be had in like

Ginger Industries

@Peilonrayz yup

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Peilonrayz Yep!

caird coinheringaahing

@Peilonrayz A conlang, specifically

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/133067/tnb-conlang-katlani

thejonymyster

15:07

finding how many words you can string together, and how many ways you can split em, etc

PyGamer0

@taRadvylfsriksushilani it doesnt look like amogus, amogus front view whould be some form of a rectangle, not a circle

mathcat

@Peilonrayz yup

yup sounds cool

PyGamer0

@Peilonrayz a better english i guess :P

thejonymyster

gerrymanderingrained

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@PyGamer0 No, I wouldn't say "better" :p

Peilonrayz

15:08

ty all :)

mathcat

@Peilonrayz github.com/katlani/katlani

Peilonrayz

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ah so like Esperanto

thejonymyster

@mathcat looking forward to the wiki

in re nothing but its crazy the like, age variety on this site. got my ass kicked in code golf by an eighth grader

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

lol

I would be that 8th grader if I hadn't spent so long after making an account just...not golfing lol

mathcat

uh isn't se 18+?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

15:12

No, 13+

caird coinheringaahing

Or 16+ if you're in the EU

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

But nobody knows your age if you don't tell them it

(Which is why I made my first SE account at 10 lol)

thejonymyster

banned + ratio

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

(and pls don't 11 me, I'm 16 now)

caird coinheringaahing

@taRadvylfsriksushilani *flags Redwolf for account deletion*

thejonymyster

15:13

dont 11 youre 16

i love words and language

11 if <13

if you banned a cop youd be elevening twelve

sorry lol im getting way too amused by this

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

To abuse RO powers is to 12, in TNB slang

So you can be 11'd for 12ing

caird coinheringaahing

You can also be 12'd for 11ing someone

If a mod acted beyond their remit here, I'd be happy to try (and fail) to kick them :P

thejonymyster

if youre 11ing And 12ing, are you 13ing, 25ing, or 132ing?

Peilonrayz

):<

5

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Mods receive a suit of steel armor and a megaphone upon being elected, so even IRL you can't kick-mute them

3

caird coinheringaahing

15:17

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Take the batteries out, and duct-tape :P

Ginger Industries

@Peilonrayz >:|:<

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I'm sorry who pays for this?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

You. All SE users are taxed.

(Although, based on my calculations a while back, SE should pay us about $0.10 per rep point we earn, so maybe they should take it out of that :p)

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani "Big Moderator is watching you"

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I'm sorry where is this math

caird coinheringaahing

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Yes, hi, I would like my $5415.60, where can I get this

Ginger Industries

hm

I've got an idea, gimme a sec

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

15:26

When Prosus bought SE, I calculated that for the amount they paid, it'd be about $1 per rep point earned on SE. I'm not greedy, so I only demand 10% (not really :p), since a lot of their profit's probably from teams instead of us

Man can you imagine how awful the voting abuse would be if you got paid $1 for every upvote you got?

Ginger Industries

What's an average message length for this chatroom?

pxeger

@taRadvylfsriksushilani who flagged this?

caird coinheringaahing

Ok, why was that flagged?

pxeger

and another unnecessary flag

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@GingerIndustries Give me a sec, I'll check

caird coinheringaahing

15:28

Right, flags are shown to all users with 10k reputation in chat. Don't abuse them, only flag messages that are rude, offensive or spam

pxeger

To whoever is doing that: please stop. It pings every 10k+ user on the network

they shouldn't be wasted

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I think I know why they were flagged, but since it involves a specific user I'm not specifying any details

Ginger Industries

anyway

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Gotta do the routine processing on my JSON for the transcript, but I should have the average lengths in about 2m

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani alrighty

pxeger

15:31

place your bets everybody

Fmbalbuena

Hello

pxeger

my guess is about 25 chars

caird coinheringaahing

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Upvote all my answers and I'll pay you $100 :P

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani this is 100% overkill but tbh I'm not even surprised

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing there Is upvote limit

pxeger

15:32

well Redwolf has a large database of TNB transcripts; he's the best person for the job!

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

90.57 characters

Ginger Industries

after using posessed lego minifigs to get to the moon in 73 seconds I think I've seen it all

@taRadvylfsriksushilani alright, one sec

pxeger

@Fmbalbuena You can't vote more than 40 times per day. Is that what you meant?

caird coinheringaahing

You can upvote 30 answers per day, and I have 789 answers, so it'd take someone 27 days to upvote all my answers :P

Fmbalbuena

@pxeger yes

pxeger

15:33

@cairdcoinheringaahing I thought it was 40?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

91.27 accounting for deleted posts

pxeger

Is it 30 on answers, and 40 total?

caird coinheringaahing

30 answers, 10 questions

Fmbalbuena

TIL ^

Peilonrayz

Careful of the pesky vote removal process. Good luck getting even 10 votes a day...

caird coinheringaahing

15:34

If you upvoted 10 of my questions per day, it wouldn't take any extra days to upvote every one of my posts :P

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Wait, is it a max of 10 questions?

caird coinheringaahing

@Peilonrayz We're ignoring pesky complications like "anti-abuse measures" :P

Ginger Industries

Okay, the average message sends 618 bytes of data

hmm

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I thought it was just 40 posts total, 30 of which can be answers

@GingerIndustries I can check the average length of the JSON other users would receive if you want

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani you're fine mate

I estimate we pay about $60/month on (400mbps) internet

caird coinheringaahing

15:35

@taRadvylfsriksushilani You get 10 votes a day specifically set aside for questions. You can use the 30 votes on anything, but those 10 votes can only be used on questions

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

The information sent, aside from headers, is just text=[message content]&fkey=[fkey]

hyper-neutrino

@taRadvylfsriksushilani feel free to flag it on main or open a chatroom with me and i'll make it private if you want to discuss

unfortunately was asleep so i didn't catch who flagged it

Ginger Industries

that means we're paying for (400*60*60*24*7*4) = 967680000kb of data per month

caird coinheringaahing

However, there's a distinction between when you cast your question votes, to make it that little bit extra complicated

> You get a total of 40 votes per day, which are broken down into 10 "Q-votes" and 30 "QA-votes" per day.

When you start the day off, the system will deduct from your Q-votes when you vote on a question, and deduct from your QA-votes when you vote on an answer. If you run out of your Q-votes, you can continue voting on questions, but it will deduct from your QA-votes instead. When you have five QA-votes remaining, you'll see a message "You have 5 votes remaining"; at this point you'll be blocked from using your Q-votes and any post you vote on will count against your QA-votes.

pxeger

@lyxal I'd avoid being within even 50 mils of a fridge when you're around. I don't fancy being nuked

Ginger Industries

15:38

(967680000000 / 60) = 16128000000 bytes/dollar

caird coinheringaahing

So if you vote on 25 answers in the morning, you can only vote on 5 questions in the evening. But, if you vote on 20 answers in the morning, you can vote on 10 questions and 10 answers in the evening

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@hyper-neutrino Sent a mod flag on main

@cairdcoinheringaahing 25 or 35?

caird coinheringaahing

You can't vote on 35 answers in a day

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

25+5 is just 30 though right?

Wouldn't you be able to vote on 15 questions?

caird coinheringaahing

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Yes, exactly

The time when you cast specific votes matters on the daily limit

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

15:40

Oh wait, huh

Ginger Industries

that means sending a message costs me ~0.000004 cents to send

I therefore spend ~0.00068c/day on sending messages

pxeger

And probably more than that, because there's no way you actually use all 967680000kb of data per month

So the data you do send are costing you more, relatively speaking

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nah, if I'm paying for all the data, I'm going to use it all.

pxeger

You might run into practical limits with maxing out your bandwidth 24/7

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nah, it pays pretty good

pxeger

15:43

and you'd almost certainly run afoul of your ISP's acceptable use policy

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Aw :(

ISPs suck, let's just make a really long ethernet wire and we can all splice a connector onto it whenever we feel like it

mathcat

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I want my 21 dollars

pxeger

@taRadvylfsriksushilani like news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29135056?

Ginger Industries

brb

caird coinheringaahing

@mathcat You're off by an order of magnitude, you'd get $214.5

mathcat

15:49

oh

nice

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nowadays you could probably get pretty reliable internet with one of those cell-signal-to-wifi thingies, and hooking it up to a router or something

caird coinheringaahing

More if it's network wide rep rather than site specific

$355.40 if network wide

graffe

@taRadvylfsriksushilani. As long as all the words are legal you can choose

mathcat

:60151385 why?

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena You've already been kicked from this room, and had a valid flag raised against your messages of a similar vein. Please stop, it's unnecessarily mean towards the creators of katlani, and continuing to post messages like this will result in further kicks and, eventually, if repeated, to a chat suspension

pxeger

15:57

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Katlani is a hobby. It will stay in the katlani room. If you don't like it or don't want to interact with it, you don't have to and will never need to. Asking us to stop working on something we enjoy because you don't like it is totally unnecessary.

Now, if there's something you want to ask about katlani, or you're concerned about some specific aspect of it, feel free to bring it up in the katlani room. But "remove katlani" isn't going to do anything other than annoy us all.

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