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8:00 PM
@hyper-neutrino ọ returns zero vs non-zero, rather than 0/1
 
oh right...
well, you got an extra byte on me anyway. very nice :D
 
I dislike the space tho :/
 
yeah...
 
@RedwolfPrograms if we assume that there are 6 blocks which are just not valid in any way, then each block should contain 2 characters
 
could you use sign, since the input argument will always be positive, and therefore it would evaluate to 1?
except when the input is 0, but 0 is not a valid Number, so it wouldn't matter
 
8:02 PM
i just whipped up a shitty steganography method of my own but now i can't find one of the images i wanted to use πŸ˜”
 
@UnrelatedString huh
 
it's incredibly bad
 
@hyper-neutrino No, because the leading nilad forces it to be a nilad,dyad pair
 
If you don't have the nilad, it will use n on the left, rather than the 0,1,2,3 argument
 
8:07 PM
oh
 
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
finally found it
 
@hyper-neutrino Managed to get around that by using ³, because the first argument is always less than or equal to the first number with that corresponding value
 
ooh, nice.
 
niiiice
 
8:28 PM
man, screw w.
It's name is way too long for a letter.
 
@AaroneousMiller duh-buh-liu
 
no letter should have a 3-syllable name
 
Even worse: "low-er-case-dub-el-yew"
 
duh-buh-liu duh-buh-liu duh-buh-liu
 
dub ya
 
8:33 PM
world wide web
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Even even worse: "nu-ut low-er-case duh-buh-liu"
 
www is shorter to write, but world wide web is shorter to say, yet we always say www. :/
 
^ the acronym is longer than the thing itself
I've taken to pronouncing it "dub dub dub"
 
tridub, or "trub"
 
Or not pronouncing it at all because its not really a thing anymore
 
8:34 PM
fax
 
also w is usually written as two "v"s
 
at least in most fonts i've seen
 
Even "vee vee vee vee vee vee" is shorter than "duh-buh-liu duh-buh-liu duh-buh-liu"
4
 
duh-bul-vee
 
8:35 PM
@hyper-neutrino relevant jan misali
 
sextuple v
 
@grandBagel Wouldn't it be duh-bul-vee?
 
@tjjfvi Oh yes. Typo.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing In Italian it's "doppia vu" or "double V"
 
@AaroneousMiller I propose www be pronounced sex-vee
 
8:36 PM
in french it's double-v which means double-v
 
is it pronounced the same?
 
no :p
 
its french, so its probably pronounced like an S or something
 
in japanese the verb "to laugh" is 笑う【わらう】which is pronounced "warau", and you can put (笑) at the end of like text messages (warai) to indicate laughter or in the same way one might use a ":P" or ":)"
eventually for simplicity/laziness people started just writing w or multiple wwww at the end instead
and since wwww looks like grass, now 草, the word for grass, can be used for the same thing
the letter "w" is probably just universally weird :P
 
classic
 
8:39 PM
nice
 
japanese people in a prarie like Whats so funny
4
 
I need a userscript to turn all ":P"s into "grass"
 
except they say it in japanese obviously
 
"wu" is sort of the sound of crying (not like the loud wailing but just like being whiny) if you repeat it and since in chinese the number 5 is pronounced "wu3" in text slang 5555 can mean crying lol
an example of context is I can comment with β€œ55555 … I don’t have such cute cat”, which means β€œI envy you and wish to have one” (source from this quora question, i can't share the answer cuz you have to log in to link those)
 
@hyper-neutrino grassed so hard i five hundred fifty fived
3
 
8:44 PM
reminds me of how 11 means mod abuse
 
anyone made any progress on stego
 
is there a way to make an image display smaller
without actually shrinking it
in a se answer
oh img tags
there we go
 
9:00 PM
@hyper-neutrino ΰ² _ΰ² 
 
9:26 PM
@hyper-neutrino xaxaxa
 
9:54 PM
@UnrelatedString I've figure out the system you used to steganify the images, but I'm not sure how to write an algoithm to undo it
 
I'm back
 
@RedwolfPrograms welcome back. no progress has been made
 
Ooh unrelated string posted one?
 
yup
it's pretty ez
 
Must've been easy if you already partially cracked it
 
9:58 PM
just hard to write an algorithm to undo
@RedwolfPrograms ouch
 
lol not like that
"You" as in anyone lol
 
;-;
@RedwolfPrograms also how the hell did you encode those blocks
i've been working on this for like 2 hrs
 
Did you follow the hint about symmetry?
 
uh
wait a minute
wait
 
Well, less of a hint and more of a reference to grandBagel's mention of it
 
10:00 PM
for some of the images, the left side is a mirror of thr right
HOL UP
i'm sure this is useful but not sure how
@RedwolfPrograms What does the symmetry have to do w/ anything
 
It provides a lot of hints about the structure of the blocks
Especially the symmetrical parts of the binary
 
i'm trying to decode block one
@RedwolfPrograms y'know, I seem to recall this challenge being labled as easy
 
I had no reference point for what was and was not an easy steganography challenge
 
What is Monologue in Winter Bash?
 
I did my best to leave hints, like the symmetry and the llama
 
10:09 PM
(secret hat)
 
i'll give you that
@RedwolfPrograms ^
 
Well, not really a hint
 
I intentionally picked an image with a very intuitive and clean structure for the low bits
So the pattern of blocks is easily identifiable
 
cool
well if only half of the block is important
hmm
 
10:13 PM
44
A: Winter Bash 2021 Hat List 😷 🎓

GlorfindelSecret hats for Winter Bash 2021 Thought Bubble Trigger: Spotting Scope Trigger: Unknown Detective Trigger: Monologue Trigger: Dialogue Trialogue Trigger: Unknown Quadalogue Trigger: Unknown Defender of the Unicorn Trigger: E-pic Trigger: Unknown "Game hat" Hat with ID -100...

 
Ah, makes sense why I got Thought Bubble so quickly
 
I'm glad it looks like there aren't any hats about starring
Star spam in WB has been an annoying issue for the past couple of years
 
but it's excusable here because of course we have such witty and amusing posts
 
WB?
 
Winter Bash
 
10:19 PM
this room has 30,612 stars
that's a lot
 
Warner bros.
 
wet bananas
wireless broomsticks
wiper blades
 
We don't need a bunch of "What does WB stand for" messages
 
wsummer bash
 
white-black
 
10:21 PM
we do have a silly misinterpretations room
move em there
 
whoops, bited.
 
@thejonymyster Not only was this a great watch, I finally realized during the credits that "jan Misali" isn't his actual name, it's his name rendered in Toki Pona! Mind blown.
 
Which Bubble?
 
CMQ: What should I put in my main bio this week? Because I have no clue what to put there
 
10:25 PM
@lyxal put "Vyxal is Fmbalbuena, Fmbalbuena is lyxal, lyxal is Vyxal"
 
(for context I change it each week with a new Meme each Saturday)
 
@lyxal how about ¯\_(ΰ² _ΰ² )_/¯
 
or something similar
 
@Fmbalbuena done
 
i liked my idea
 
10:27 PM
I'll place that in brackets
 
@lyxal ok.
 
@GingerIndustries ¯\_(∘.∘)¯\_
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing i do not speak LaTEX
@DLosc boogie woogie woogie woogie
 
@GingerIndustries Luckily, the website renders LaTeX as math :P
 
10:30 PM
d:
 
i don't understand.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing ooh maybe a chance to use the new symbolic math stuff in Vyxal 2.6
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing this is slightly over my head
ΰ² _ΰ² 
 
It does seem more complicated than it really is. You know what a polynomial is, right? An algebraic number is one that's a solution of some polynomial with integer coefficients
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing sir until today i didn't know what parity was
live life like this guy -> ¯\_(∘.∘)¯\_
 
10:34 PM
When you make a cos wave with your body :P
 
¯\_(ΰ² _ΰ² )¯\_
i'm appropriating your trademark caird
 
What's my trademark?
 
ΰ² _ΰ² 
 
That's not my trademark :P
 
okay, then it's mine now
 
10:36 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing If the origin is in the middle, it's more of a sin wave
 
ΰ² _ΰ² β„’
 
I'm thinking the origin being on the far left side
 
 
But cos is basically sin anyway :P
 
I assume that the full thing is ¯\_/¯\_
 
10:38 PM
Or maybe ¯\__/¯¯\_
 
@DLosc my god
 
I just realized the GitHub repository doesn't actually contain the interpreter code. =P Here's the post with a link to both.
... Aaand broken link. :/
 
:\
we may never know what ΰ² η›Šΰ²  was meant to do
 
Ah, an interpreter was linked in the comments.
 
οΏ½οΏ½
when you stub your toe
 
10:49 PM
CMQ: someone like to bulid a golflang with me?
 
@Fmbalbuena what do you have in mind?
 
@GingerIndustries SBCS
 
@Fmbalbuena ???
 
@GingerIndustries I'm thinking at codepage.
 
@Fmbalbuena I'm not sure I understand.
 
10:51 PM
... only golfers can understand.
 
SCBS means custom code page
 
oh
esolangs generally need a central idea to make them interesting
ex. APOL only uses polish notation
 
polish notation?
 
+ 2 2 instead of 2 + 2
 
10:54 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing Single-Character Byte Set
 
@DLosc no, SBCS
 
Single Byte Character Set
 
SCaly Binary Snakes
 
Wow we really like fun misinterpretations here don't we
 
10:55 PM
they're fun for a reason
 
@RedwolfPrograms it's my typo
 
I don't know about you, but I hate fun :P
 
This is like the 4th time they've started up in a week lol
 
i see no problems with that
 
@RedwolfPrograms Fun misinterpretations = best misinterpretations
 
10:57 PM
Nah, I like the kind of misinterpretations that start huge fights over a miscommunication and end up with a duel to the death using sharpened pasta
 
@RedwolfPrograms excuse me
ΰ² _ΰ² 
 
@DLosc The entirety of the rom-com genre would like to disagree
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Well, I would like to disagree with the entirety of the rom-com genre :P
 
The most recent xkcd reminds me of this:
Dec 14 at 18:12, by Redwolf Programs
I wonder if Log4j is turing complete
Maybe Randall Munroe is a TNB regular :p
 
is stack exchange turing complete
@RedwolfPrograms how would we know?
 
11:00 PM
@DLosc I've only seen one or two of them that I liked, unless you consider stuff like Tangled to be a romantic comedy
 
@RedwolfPrograms no, it's not programming language, it's folder.
 
I mean wasn't the xkcd about reverse code golf inspired by a CGCC question?
 
ah yes, flog edoc
 
It was Moby Dick themed, and IIRC it was published shortly after the "Output Moby Dick" question
@GingerIndustries programming where the competitors attempt to increase the length of their programs
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing there's a new network idea
 
11:02 PM

Who is Randall Munroe?

May 10 at 22:35, 16 minutes total – 32 messages, 5 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 15 secs ago by Redwolf Programs

 
What is prefix and infix and postfix?
 
2+2 is infix, +2 2 is prefix
 
@Fmbalbuena Prefix: abc = a(b, c), infix: abc = b(a, c)
 
2 2+ is postfix, and +2+2+ is anyfix
 
11:03 PM
really anyfix?
 
Things like absolute value use it
|-2|
 
i think that's just outfix
 
@RedwolfPrograms ninja'd
 
@hyper-neutrino wrote a language that uses anyfix, right? :P
 
Outfix is just anyfix with one item :p
 
11:04 PM
yes, it's very creatively named anyfix and doesn't actually use real anyfix
because i didn't know it existed at the time
 
@GingerIndustries That's outfix
 
Or is 2 the operator?
 
so it maintains a value and operator stack which allows you to order things however you want basically :p
 
11:05 PM
@RedwolfPrograms β₯
 
And if you address your operands very politely, that's honorifix
8
 
addition-sama, please add these two numbers onegaishimasu
 
Fmbalbuenafix: 2+2×2 => +2×2 2
 
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Q: Operator precedence is dead

JulianCalculate the result of some math expressions using the following constraints: Numbers will be between 0 and 9 Operators are + - / * Expressions will always have the format Number operator number operator number... Parenthesis have the highest precedence The order of reading goes Left Left Right...

 
11:20 PM
coincidence? I think not.
 
That was not sandboxed long enough
And also it feels like a dupe of all the other math-with-different-precedence questions
 
@NewPosts This is almost the direct opposite to :P
 
guys help I just about typed 127.0.0.0:5000 into the windows search bar thinking it'd magically activate my flask app
 
@lyxal on a scale of one to ten, how sleep deprived are you
 
@hyper-neutrino zero
it's 10am in the morning and I went to bed early last night and had a good sleep
 
11:25 PM
nice
 
Anyone else agree this should be closed as a dupe?
 
of what?
 
I'm not sure which to pick, but there's like a dozen questions about parsing and evaluating expressions
And this isn't too different from any of them
 
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Q: How to check if the string is reshaped in APL?

FmbalbuenaHow to check if the string is reshaped? Example: "aab" returns 0 because "a" can't be reshaped to this string nor any other shorter string. Another example is "aabbaab" returns 1 because "aabb" can be reshaped to this string. A lot of examples can found this: Returns 1 101 abba abcab abacedabarab...

^ this is related to my sandbox post.
 
@RedwolfPrograms I suspect it is but can't judge unless provided with a dupe target
 
11:27 PM
same here
 
i think i will repost
my sandbox post because 3 downvotes
 
If a post gets downvotes, that doesn't mean you should repost them
 
i think it's more effective to fix the reasons why it got downvoted
otherwise it'll just get downvoted again
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

FmbalbuenaCheck if the string is reshaped. Note: Read the Reshape in APL wiki first if you don't know what is reshape. Challenge: Check if the Input is any shorter string (Call X but this code len(input())>len(X)) must return 1). X can be reshaped with the size bigger than the length of the string. Example...

 
but rewording?
 
11:32 PM
@Fmbalbuena Do you mean this one?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing no
 
3 downvotes, not 4 downbotes.
 
yeah you really shouldn't repost your sandbox post word-for-word without fixing any of the issues with the challenge
 
@SandboxPosts It's an interesting idea, but it needs a rigorous definition for what it means for one string to be able to be reshaped into another
 
11:34 PM
and challenges are supposed to be self-contained, so "read the APL wiki" does not count as valid clarification
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

FmbalbuenaCheck if the string is reshaped. Note: Read the Reshape in APL wiki first if you don't know what is reshape. Challenge: Check if the Input is any shorter string (Call X but this code len(input())>len(X)) must return 1). X can be reshaped with the size bigger than the length of the string. Example...

 
@RedwolfPrograms wait long bowels?
 
@hyper-neutrino done.
 
Yeah uh...I misspelled it
 
that sounds lowkey weird out of context
 
11:37 PM
I corrected it in the message below but then it got starred after the edit timer expired
@lyxal ya think? :p
 

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