The Nineteenth Byte

Redwolf Programs

18:08

Maybe they're arsonists

Mayube

I certainly hope not... I'm on the 15th floor

(timmies is on the ground floor)

Aaroneous Miller

18:20

Oh look, children! Must be arsonists.

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Mayube

18:33

I think I'm gunna set up a TIO mirror this weekend

Fmbalbuena

CMQ: How to get Review queues?

Mayube

@Fmbalbuena 500 rep

See: What are review queues and how to they work?

Fmbalbuena

@Mayube i have 500 rep but the queue is empty.

Redwolf Programs

Reviews are pretty rare

You might want to download Generic Review Tool, a userscript I wrote

It opens new review tasks in a separate tab, and pings you

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms What?

Mayube

18:36

The Late Answers queue is also pretty useless for CGSE

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms Can i get Generic Review Tool?

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms Love the name, very original

Redwolf Programs

@Fmbalbuena Sure! If you have Tampermonkey or Greasemonkey, you can install it from this link

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms What is Tampermonkey Google Extension?

Mayube

it's a browser extension that lets you run JS scripts

Redwolf Programs

18:40

@RedwolfPrograms After that, just open codegolf.stackexchange.com/review in a pinned tab, and wait for review tasks

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms or beter type "javascript:".

Mayube

sure if you want to do that every single time you load the page

Fmbalbuena

ok then how to get a lot of rep

Aaroneous Miller

84

Q: List of bounties with no deadline

This is a list of unofficial, deadline-less (hence not searchable) bounties offered by users on various challenges on the main site. Disclaimer: There is no guarantee that the user will award the bounty for you in case you fulfill its requirement. Especially if the user isn't an active member any...

Redwolf Programs

@Fmbalbuena Ask good questions, write good answers, and stick around for a few months or years :p

Fmbalbuena

18:45

@RedwolfPrograms how many time do you take to get 10k rep?

Redwolf Programs

It took me two or three years, but for most of that I wasn't very active

You can pretty easily get 10k in under a year

Mayube

it took me I think about a year of activity to hit 10k.

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms How many user with 10k rep there?

166

@RedwolfPrograms Trivia: i got 288 rep in a week.

Aaroneous Miller

emanresuA joined February 1st and now has 17k+ rep

Redwolf Programs

@Fmbalbuena Nice!

Fmbalbuena

18:48

@RedwolfPrograms i'm top 1 of week rep (ignoring users with less than 1k)

Mayube

@Fmbalbuena but you're a user with less than 1k, so that's ignoring you too :P

Fmbalbuena

:p

this user is the least rep with 10k rep

having only 10043

Redwolf Programs

They got that pretty recently I guess, since they're an active user

Too bad they're not in chat

Fmbalbuena

this user is the least rep with 10k rep but he are active in chat

Mayube

they got a good chunk of rep from this masterpiece

Fmbalbuena

18:53

@Mayube do you think you can answer this

Mayube

@Fmbalbuena I mean I probably could, but I don't particularly want to. My go-to languages for golfing are braingolf, C#, and Rust, and none of them are going to do that well.

Curse you Dennis making me learn Fedora

Fmbalbuena

@Mayube if you do in brainfuck. @thejonymyster will bounty 200 rep.

Mayube

@Fmbalbuena I'm definitely not doing it in brainfuck

oh fedora uses yum, that's not so bad

Redwolf Programs

@Fmbalbuena I'll do it

Siri, set a timer for three hours

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms Okay, your timer is set for three hours. Starting... now.

Redwolf Programs

18:56

Y'know what, it's four minutes to 1300. When the clock strikes one, I'll begin.

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms i'll begin. better.

Siri, set a timer for 2 hours and 55 minutes.

Mayube

oh man, TIO needs 2 servers

Fmbalbuena

@Dennis make a server

Mayube

@Fmbalbuena I mean to host. It has a main server and an arena server

Redwolf Programs

Time starts...now! (and ends right as school is over)

Wish me luck

Fmbalbuena

19:02

Try it online!

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms Good luck!

Fmbalbuena

I stuck

(Ooh)

(Give up)

Redwolf Programs

19:19

@Fmbalbuena Can you clarify if I have to take the strings as input?

Or can I hardcode them?

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms they have to be taken as input

Redwolf Programs

Oh no

Mayube

yeah...

It might be safe to assume each explanation string is single-line? So you can "split" on \n?

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms you can use backticks, <pre><code> or four leading spaces.

Mayube

that's output, he's talking about input

Fmbalbuena

19:21

@Mayube Yeah i know

@RedwolfPrograms the tape and cell size is unbounded

@RadwolfPrograms

Mayube

tio mirror is installing languages... the suspense is killing me

@Fmbalbuena I don't understand the question

Redwolf Programs

@Fmbalbuena You can delete chat messages, you don't need to edit in (Removed)

Mayube

a good chunk of these languages are failing :/

Thomas Ward

whistles nonchalantly as he reads the edits

also greetings TNB!

Mayube

@ThomasWard Howdy!

oh boy even CJam failed

Redwolf Programs

19:26

What's the TIO clone for? Just testing, or an actual instance?

Mayube

well if I can get it working my plan was to host a mirror and keep languages updated in Dennis' absence, but we'll see

Fmbalbuena

I'm not sure if this question is on topic for puzzling (link)

Redwolf Programs

It's not

Fmbalbuena

Deleted.

because of fear.

@RedwolfPrograms What SE site is on topic for this?

Redwolf Programs

I don't think it would be on topic for any of them

There's no single answer, which rules out most sites

Fmbalbuena

19:34

@RedwolfPrograms uh Area 51?

Redwolf Programs

No, I just don't think it's a viable challenge for an SE-like site

Mayube

@Fmbalbuena definitely off topic for Area 51. That site is specifically for suggesting new sites

Fmbalbuena

@Mayube ok so what now?

Mayube

@Fmbalbuena wdym?

Fmbalbuena

what now?

Mayube

19:37

repeating the question does not help me to understand the question

wtf how did perl fail

Fmbalbuena

@Mayube Hey

PERL is better than REPL

Because Print(Eval(Read()))) Loop

Mayube

sed failed :|

Fmbalbuena

@Mayube works for me.

Redwolf Programs

No, they're talking about installing TIO

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms do you like learning random lang using esolangs random article

Redwolf Programs

19:42

Not really

I'm more into making random langs than learning them :p

Fmbalbuena

What about making interpreter?

Mayube

OH

I guess for some reason tiosetup didn't install pip successfully, so that would've caused a good chunk of languages, including Jelly, to fail

and sed failed cos no C compiler

Redwolf Programs

What are you running it on?

Mayube

Fedora

Redwolf Programs

No but like...your laptop? A dedicated server? A cloud one?

Mayube

19:46

I went with exactly as tiosetup suggested, a Linode server running Fedora

I figured the safest way to minimize troubleshooting was to mimic TIO's setup as closely as possible

although according to the repo TIO runs on Fedora 26, and Linode only offers as low as 30 these days

Redwolf Programs

Huh, must be an outdated guide, since TIO runs on DigitalOcean.

Mayube

oh no

oh no, now I can't get into my server

pxeger

@Mayube this is karma for not using the obviously supreme piece of software that is ATO

Mayube

@pxeger Talk to me when ATO has 10+ languages :P

Redwolf Programs

Or the random pile of unfinished but obviously very good scripts that is RTO :p

(Which will be shipping with 35 languages, btw)

pxeger

19:57

@Mayube talk to me when your TIO has 10+ languages :P

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms that's better, but it's still not the ~600 that TIO has

Redwolf Programs

I'll be adding one a day for the next few months

Mayube

@pxeger I'll have you know that >50% of the languages succeeded... but then the server died

Redwolf Programs

Plus people can submit their own languages to RTO

That's its whole thing lol

Mayube

I think something else is actually going on cos I can't access either of my Linodes

pxeger

19:58

FYI, adding languages is easy on ATO and I could probably get a lot of them done very quickly, but it's actually so simple that it's boring and I don't want to do it

Mayube

Y'all gotta be careful saying people can have their languages added to your TIO clones, else you'll get me popping up asking you to add 10 different unfinished languages of mine :P

Redwolf Programs

Cool, just click the button on RTO, upload the docker image, and you're done :p

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms this sounds like actually quite a good idea: if I can just get myself to do one a day every day then it'll be routine and not boring

Mayube

> docker image

good one

pxeger

> just upload the docker image

emanresu A

20:00

@RedwolfPrograms I got it in ~5-6 months

Redwolf Programs

Or paste in the code if it's based on JS, Python, or any existing image

pxeger

man, have you seen the internal structure of a docker image??

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms k yeah i got nothing for that cos all of my languages are JS or Python based lol

pxeger

that stuff gives me nightmares

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger What do you mean?

Why would that matter?

Mayube

20:01

pxeger couldn't get ATO working in docker so now it scares them :P

Redwolf Programs

If you mean the layers thing, just use the flag that condenses them all into one

pxeger

@Mayube I could, but it took like a whole second to spin up which was unacceptable to me

Here's all the code needed to extract the docker images on ATO: github.com/attempt-this-online/attempt-this-online/blob/v0.1.11/… , github.com/attempt-this-online/attempt-this-online/blob/v0.1.11/… , github.com/attempt-this-online/attempt-this-online/blob/v0.1.11/…

Redwolf Programs

RTO spins up the common ones, then just has them wait for instructions

pxeger

and all you see there is the result of some squashed commits! It took like two weeks for me to get that working properly!

Mayube

@pxeger What happened to

> It cannot be run in Docker or similar. If you do manage to get it working inside a container, please let me know as it would be very useful for me.

pxeger

20:04

@Mayube oh no, that's in docker, not with docker

Mayube

that's what I said

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms So if you're using an obscure language, you get a second or two of additional lag, which is basically insignificant. But for JS or Python or a JS/Python based languages, that's not going to be a thing.

pxeger

because you can't easily run containers inside docker

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms You'll be hearing from me when I eventually get Braingolf v2 up to spec

Redwolf Programs

Well, and a few months into 2022, since RTO currently isn't in development because my monke brain can't stay on task

Mayube

20:06

K I have no idea what's going on with my Linodes. I've tried rebooting them but SSH keeps timing out

Redwolf Programs

linoodle

Mayube

and of course as soon as I say that the other server starts working again

pxeger

> a few months into 2022

I'd be careful with timescales that concrete!

Mayube

so now it's just the one with TIO on it that isn't working :|

pxeger

just say 6-8 weeks!

Redwolf Programs

20:07

I'm thinking I'm going to do what I did with Ash, and start seriously developing RTO as my main project on January 1st

Over thanksgiving break I'll probably try to do a lot of work on it

But I'm not expecting a working release until 6-8 weeks into 2022

Mayube

My one real request for either/both of you is for latest stable Rust, because TIO's rust is very outdated, and Rust Playground sucks

Redwolf Programs

Y'know what, I'm going to stop working on the bf explainer in bf, this is the exact sort of pointless project that's distracting me from RTO lol

@Mayube Already one of the planned 35 :D

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms or alternatively: RTO is the exact sort of pointless project that's distracting you from the bf explainer in bf

Redwolf Programs

lol

emanresu A

@Mayube Dammit, you've fallacied me.

Mayube

20:10

@emanresuA get fallacied, nerd :P

welp, guess it's time to hard wipe my TIO main linode and start over

is 0 the only natural number that starts with z in american english?

Redwolf Programs

zillion :p

Mayube

but is that a real number?

Redwolf Programs

No

I think 0's the only one, yeah

Mayube

zillion was my first thought too, but I was sure it's not real

Welcome to Freaky Fridays, staring Mayube's caffeine-fuelled stream of consciousness ramblings

Redwolf Programs

I mean, english is what we make it. We can make zillion a thing.

We can make it saturday forever

Mayube

20:14

I'd like that

@RedwolfPrograms it's saturday until we get 12 hours of daylight

Redwolf Programs

I hate the sun. Let's kill it with fire.

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Aaroneous Miller

I'm down

Redwolf Programs

Opinions on RTO's UI? Something feels a little...empty to me, I just can't place what

Mayube

header and footer?

Redwolf Programs

That's going to be built-in to the code section, with add/remove buttons

Mayube

20:21

args?

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms It'll be (visually) in the same box with an hr dividing them

Aaroneous Miller

@RedwolfPrograms Take some inspiration from here, it's much less empty

Mayube

dark theme?

Redwolf Programs

I'm not as much talking about the boxes that are there, those aren't final (not even any output box or run button lol), more about the layout/appearance of them

Maybe a little less whitespace?

Mayube

gotta golf your UI my guy

@RedwolfPrograms I like this plan though

Redwolf Programs

20:25

As for args vs. input, it's per-language configurable

BF doesn't need args, for example

Mayube

20:37

okay I think I see what went wrong with tiosetup now: It configures a repo for dnf that only supports up to Fedora 34, and I'm running Fedora 35

and that repo has skip_if_unavailable=False, meaning once it's configured tiosetup will fail to install any packages

guess I'll rebuild the linode with Fedora34 then

Redwolf Programs

CMQ: Light or dark theme for RTO? (I'll add both at some point, but for now)

Mayube

dark

Redwolf Programs

I think I figured out the problem with RTO's appearance. It's feels like things are just sort of floating there, there's nothing dividing it up

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms yeah, I'd say there's a bit too much margin between the elements

and could do with maybe some backgrounds to some of the elements, or just borders

Mayube

Give the header, where it has the Run/Post/Info tabs, a slightly darker background

emanresu A

21:04

Ok, I've sucessfully broken Jelly.

Mayube

ugh, this TIO setup is gunna need some tweaking. I'll have to fork the repo and modify the scripts over the weekend

Redwolf Programs

21:39

CMC: Take a nonnegative integer as input, and return the closest even integer (rounded down)

0 -> 0, 1 -> 0, 2 -> 2, 3 -> 2, etc.

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms wdym

Redwolf Programs

If n is even (0, 2, 4, ...), return n. If it's odd (1, 3, 5, ...), return n-1.

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms JS 8 bytes: n=>n-n%2

Redwolf Programs

I have one byte shorter

Mayube

I figured you would

Redwolf Programs

21:42

lol

n=>n&~1

Mayube

Python3 without % 15 bytes: lambda n:n//2*2

oh wait C# can do the same thing but better, cos types

C#, 8 bytes: n=>n/2*2

of course, your 7 byte JS answer, and my 8 byte JS answer are also valid as-is in C#

Redwolf Programs

I suppose I should start learning all the weird bitwise tricks. I've figured out recursion, so I suppose I should become one step more Arnauldlike

Thomas Ward

@Mayube that's pretty short. except that what's missing is you have to still define x = (the lambda) to use it, but other than THAT it seems to work heh

wish i had your python golf skills xD

Redwolf Programs

CGCC's rules allow lambdas which aren't stored anywhere

Mayube

@ThomasWard This is true. We tend to omit that in other languages because other languages will gladly accept a newline inbetween the x= and the start of the lambda, but Python has to be special :P

Redwolf Programs

21:48

@RedwolfPrograms Unless you're doing recursion

Unrelated String

@Mayube backslash

Mayube

CMC: Given integer n, output the largest square number smaller than n

@UnrelatedString good point

Redwolf Programs

@Mayube n=>(n**.5|0)**2

Wait, smaller, or smaller than or equal to?

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms x<=n

Redwolf Programs

Oh okay

Mayube

21:50

you can also assume n is positive and skip the 0 check

Redwolf Programs

If it had to be smaller, that'd be four more bytes lol

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms Try it online! 23 bytes

Redwolf Programs

@Mayube No, that's to floor it

Fmbalbuena

please mark accepted.

Mayube

@RedwolfPrograms right yeah

@Fmbalbuena you can save bytes because you don't need the || around the output

Fmbalbuena

21:51

@Mayube || is used to fix one * bug

Mayube

oh actually yeah I guess you do :/

Fmbalbuena

* will print *, not (empty output)

Thomas Ward

@Mayube we can actually fix that, with tio.run we put in header x = \ then it functions

i totally derped on how to use lambdas fora moment then i realized that :p

Mayube

@ThomasWard yep! That's what we do for most languages, I just didn't think to use a `\` to escape the newline

Thomas Ward

yup. tio.run/##K6gsycjPM/5foWCrEPM/JzE3KSVRIc8qT1/… for my proof

now, if i had extra compute here in my server farm i'd MAYBE be able to mirror tio.run but :P

alas my compute is at max

Mayube

21:54

And then there's C# which takes it to a bit of an extreme

Redwolf Programs

I'd mirror it on my server, but I'm already working on RTO lol

Mayube

@ThomasWard I'm working on setting up a TIO mirror, the setup scripts are quite outdated. Built for Fedora 26 and use a few repos that either don't exist or have since changed format

hyper-neutrino

I'd mirror it on my server, but I don't think I could handle it with my budget server with like no disk space or ram lol

Mayube

given the size of the servers I'm using for the mirror, and the free credit I got from Linode, I can run it for 4 months before having to start paying

Redwolf Programs

Dedicated server in your bedroom gang where you at

Mayube

21:57

not counting the fact that I already bought tio-mirror.run for $4

@RedwolfPrograms I have a dedicated pi4 in the basement, does that count?

Redwolf Programs

I got an R610 with 24 GB of RAM and two CPUs for like $100 used, would recommend

Mayube

well technically it's my housemate's pi4... and the basement is my housemate's apartment... but it's running my ethereum trading bot, so it's still sorta mine :P

Redwolf Programs

I have no server rack so I set it on a table, and now I use it as a table

So it's just a noisy table

Mayube

my housemate wanted to set up a server rack at home, but our ISP won't give us a business line

not that we need it

Redwolf Programs

My ISP just doesn't care apparently

And I somehow have a static IP

Mayube

22:00

woo! home time

I almost always forget to pay attention to CGSE when I'm not at the office, so I likely won't see you guys much until tuesday

so uh.. have a good weekend folks!

Thomas Ward

@RedwolfPrograms points at his VMware cluster sitting here in his apartment

user

22:17

@RedwolfPrograms Light, because that's what most websites have. idk about y'all, but I keep everything on light mode because of that, so dark mode would be annoying because I'd have to keep adjusting the darkness and stuff

Besides, it has been scientifically proven (don't ask me to provide sources pls) that white on black is harder to read

user

22:29

@RedwolfPrograms Arsonist.

@Mayube Wait, you check CGCC at the office?

lyxal

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Nice.

Fmbalbuena

but it's fake

github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal it has 68 70 68 70 ~~68-- ---70~~ ~~68-- ---70~~ ~~68-- ---70~~ 68 70 ---68-- 70stars

lyxal

No it's 69

user

For the memes

lyxal

@Fmbalbuena still 69

At least let have my funny number for a while

Fmbalbuena

22:36

became 68, 70, 68...

Idea: second account

lyxal

Nerd I have a second account too

user

Y'all admitting to voter fraud?

lyxal

@Fmbalbuena please just stop for a bit I've been waiting for weeks for this moment

@user no to github fraud

Fmbalbuena

@lyxal you can't stop hahaha

user

@lyxal wtf is this supposed to be lol

lyxal

22:41

@user each week a fugitive is named fugitive of the week to promote bringing them in

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Q: Why programming puzzles is off-topic in CCGC?

Some questions like this is obviosly off-topic, but some what sees on-topic but not on this site (CCGC)? Like: “ What programming language is? +[.+] Prints ascii table. but what programming language is? ” Is off-topic in CCGC but why?

discussion

lyxal

22:54

@Fmbalbuena undeniable proof that it happened: web.archive.org/web/20211119225243/https://github.com/Vyxal/…

The archive hasn't updated yet, but it's got a copy of the page with 69 stars

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