The Nineteenth Byte

Anush

08:00

pypi.org/project/pygtrie/2.4.2 looks interesting

Bubbler

Please don't post challenges like that unless you consider yourself knowledgeable in the specific algorithms to be used

Anush

Thanks. I do know about suffix trees and arrays. I just don’t regard them as practical

I even know about tries

Bubbler

Having read Wikipedia articles doesn't count

Anush

:)

Bubbler

Also I don't see how suffix trees are not practical, when Wikipedia alone lists multiple dozens of applications

If you mean it's not practical to implement it in code, you shouldn't be handing off the impractical job to code golfers :P

Anush

09:04

@Bubbler they don't need suffix trees to get to quadratic time!

Also, everything here is impractical :)

Bubbler

09:14

So... for exactly quadratic complexity you can build two suffix tries for S and T and traverse both, counting overlaps

One of my concerns in general is that string algorithms often involve the size of the alphabet in their time complexity, which makes the category of string algorithms a bad choice for restricted-complexity or fastest-algorithm.

New Posts

09:40

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Q: How long the number will be in this base?

Given a positive integer \$n\$ and another positive integer \$b\$ (\$1 < b < 36\$), return the number of digits/length of \$n\$ in base \$b\$ 1597 16 -> 3 1709 9 -> 4 190 29 -> 2 873 24 -> 3 1061 27 -> 3 289 26 -> 2 1575 34 -> 3 1135 15 -> 3 1161 22 -> 3 585 23 -> 3 1412 23 -> 3 1268 14 -> 3 714 ...

Sandbox Posts

09:53

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Simulate weathering Simulate weathering / erosion. Input Input will be given as a string of any 2 character you like in the shape of the rock (here i use space and hashtag): ### #### ###### ######## ####### ##### Or if your language doesn't support strings, a matrix of 1s and 0s. AND a nu...

emanresu A

10:18

@NewPosts I feel like this is dupe

New Posts

11:50

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Q: Policy on Outputting Irrations as Fractions

There's consensus that answering with fractions is allowable for decimals that can be expressed as fractions. But what about irrational numbers? Can they be expressed as a rational representation of the corresponding decimal approximation? Examples: \$\sqrt{2}\$ can be approximated as \$1.4142135...

discussion defaults output

lyxal

woah that was quick

I only just pressed submit question and bang it's here in the chat

like I knew the bots were fast, but I didn't realise they were that fast

dang how much butter do they require?

Aaroneous Miller

12:33

I swear, every single time I see scipy I read it as spicy.

4

I also seem to type spicy in my code as well. It's gotten to the point where I almost want to do import scipy as spicy

4

Beta Decay

I love it

Always wondered why the tradition is the import numpy as np but then just leave scipy as it came

Wezl programs redwolf

import scipy as 🌶

Aaroneous Miller

@Wezlprogramsredwolf aw dang it that's invalid syntax

Beta Decay

@Wezlprogramsredwolf My supervisor is gonna be so confused when I start putting chillis all over my code

Wezl programs redwolf

import scipy as rats_python_dont_support_emojis
x={}
x["🌶"] = rats_python_dont_support_emojis
# x["🌶"].method()

import scipy as self

Beta Decay

12:47

Don't you need to specify the encoding of the code at the top or smth

I remember having to mess around with it for some code golfs

Wezl programs redwolf

the point of this is not to write good python code

Beta Decay

I don't think I've ever written good python code in my life

Aaroneous Miller

^

Beta Decay

I did basically learn most of what I know about python from this site after all lmao

Wezl programs redwolf

oxymoron :P

Aaroneous Miller

12:50

^^

lyxal

Hey guys wanna see the sky for me rn

Aaroneous Miller

sure why not

lyxal

It's night lol

Aaroneous Miller

~~I'm pretty sure that's just a picture of me with some filters~~

lyxal

Hey you're not a cloud formation, you're a plate!

Aaroneous Miller

12:56

that picture looks a lot like a plate to me

@lyxal I was 16

user

@BetaDecay Because they thought everyone would be like “omg thanks numpy!” and then numpy would go “np”

Aaroneous Miller

10/10 dad jokes ftw

lyxal

Night y'all

¢/

Aaroneous Miller

$/

PyGamer0

13:24

&/

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

How large does interleave operator generate a maximu value? [code-golf] INTERCAL has an interleave operator which does the following operation. Let left operand be asdf and right one qwer in binary, respectively. The operation produces a binary value aqswdefr. INTERCAL internally treats data as u...

PyGamer0

@BetaDecay i think thats only for python2

thejonymyster

@pxeger agreed. as a floridian, i can personally confirm its' true

Redwolf Programmed

13:42

@lyxal Industrial quantities. I have a big funnel directed at the CPUs of my server, and maintain a 400 PSI blast of liquid butter.

It doesn't cost much though, since I can run it through some filtration and reuse the butter

Some of it is briefly diverted into cookie dough on occasion

Is it bad that I actually really like the color scale used in the latest xkcd?

Aaroneous Miller

@pxeger Are you going to write up the Zsh LotM post?

Redwolf Programmed

Oh okay, so the report is due today. So I'm glad I did it last night.

But it wasn't due 48 hours ago as I had thought.

hyper-neutrino

14:01

bruh

Redwolf Programmed

Like I said, very disorganized class

The only google classroom assignment created had us turn in three separate assignments in the same place

And there wasn't a due date

And there's no place to turn in the report, and thus no due date visible either

And I don't pay very much attention in class

I almost got a 75% as my final third-of-a-semester grade in that class

And I just barely got a 90% the first third-of-a-semester

So I'll need to try extra hard this one to keep my GPA a 4.0 lol

Oops the word count is actually supposed to be 600, and I have 1400

hyper-neutrino

how disorganized is this class / how disorganized are you ?? lol

Redwolf Programmed

It's about a 50/50 ratio lol

Word count now down to about 700

I was counting my works cited, but when I get rid of that in addition to a few sections of the paper it's fine now

hyper-neutrino

14:19

i'm both impressed with how much you've managed to mess up this assignment and how quickly you're still able to do it lmao

Redwolf Programmed

I've got some experience in the field of messing up assignments lol

If the college spam continues at its current rate it'll arrive faster than I can click the trash button by 12th grade

But at least I apparently belong at Montana State University lol

Aaroneous Miller

I just realized that for challenges that let you ignore whitespace in the score, you can always solve it with Vyxal in 8 bytes by encoding the real program with spaces and newlines and then executing it: Try it Online!

and now I just realized that there's a challenge based around that very idea: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/3615/…

Redwolf Programmed

14:37

The minimum I can get in JS is 87 so far

Using JSFuck

Okay down to 56 using unary with whitespace

E.g., +[] for a program to output 0 would be 51 spaces

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfProgrammed College spam is ridiculous, honestly

I still get the odd email from random unis in the States

Redwolf Programmed

@RedwolfProgrammed It's around 2 ** 6061 characters for something as simple as alert(1) lol

caird coinheringaahing

"Hey, we think you'd be a great fit of Texas University of Texas" Yeah, lemme just get a refund on the tuition fees I just paid so I can get a flight out to start uni there

user

14:54

Tut-tut

pxeger

@RedwolfProgrammed pro tip: create an auto email filter rule to immediately delete any email containing the word "unsubscribe", and you'll never get another newsletter again

Redwolf Programmed

Wouldn't basing it off of the list-unsubscribe header be less likely to delete something you don't want deleted?

Aaroneous Miller

TIL if you type something into the chrome omnibox and hit Ctrl+Enter instead of just Enter, it automatically appends .com to the search and tries to go to that site. So you could type github instead of github.com

user

@pxeger Can't get false negatives if everything's classified positive amirite :P

Redwolf Programmed

I wouldn't want an email being deleted just because someone mentions unsubscribing

pxeger

14:56

I've never had a problem with false positives

Redwolf Programmed

Would you know if you did though?

And if you're checked the ones that get filtered, then what's the point of filtering them at all

Aaroneous Miller

@RedwolfProgrammed pro tip: create an auto email filter rule to immediately delete any email ~~containing the word "unsubscribe",~~ and you'll never get another newsletter again

pxeger

I occasionally glance through the junk list

Redwolf Programmed

And...you can also click the unsubscribe link lol (and some organizations ignore that, but then I'll just filter them specifically)

pxeger

@RedwolfProgrammed but they don't clog up my inbox, which I now know is always full of only important email

user

14:57

I kinda like the attention

pxeger

@RedwolfProgrammed that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid

Redwolf Programmed

Why?

pxeger

it's more effort

user

"<name>, we've extended the deadline just for you! Apply now to our middle-of-nowhere university that's so desperate for students we're reaching out to a mediocre student who's never shown interest in us, and we'll give you a scholarship!"

Makes me feel so special with those personalized tracking links and stuff :P

pxeger

@pxeger I search for things like "action required" and "alert" and check those

user

14:59

That sounds unnecessarily strict, though

It's not that easy to go through the spam and unsubscribe/block a few manually

Redwolf Programmed

Not that easy, or not that hard?

user

Sorry, I meant not that hard

I hate it when that happens

pxeger

cmon, it's not that hard to get it right!

Redwolf Programmed

15:13

CMQ: Should () be a syntax error, or something like null? (in a language without tuples)

user

Depends entirely on the context. As a parameter list, it should be alright. Otherwise, it should be an error since you can just use the keyword null instead, much less weird-looking

pxeger

@RedwolfProgrammed leave it as a syntax error; that way if you come up with some new syntax that allows () it won't be ambiguous

Wezl programs redwolf

15:41

CMA: add tuples

Aaroneous Miller

2 hours ago, by Aaroneous Miller

@pxeger Are you going to write up the Zsh LotM post?

user

@Wezlprogramsredwolf How would that be applied?

pxeger

@AaroneousMiller oh, did it win? lol I totally forgot

yes I'll write it up

Aaroneous Miller

lol

Redwolf Programmed

You forgor 💀

user

15:51

CMQ: How do you pronounce Zsh? Zee Ess Aitch, Zeesh, or Zsh?

Redwolf Programmed

Zish

hyper-neutrino

if i need to pronounce it (when i read it in my mind i don't actually have a sound for it) i'd say z-shell like seashell but z

user

I think there's a shell out there called conch or xonch or smth

New Posts

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Q: Language of the Month for November 2021: Zsh

In accordance with our meta agreement, since one candidate received more votes than the others, we have a new featured language! Throughout November 2021, our Language of the Month will be: Zsh What's a Language of the Month? See the meta post for nominations. In short, during April, those who ...

discussion language-of-the-month

hyper-neutrino

nice. added to the event list

pxeger

16:01

thanks!

thejonymyster

@RedwolfProgrammed same but definitely leaning into the schwa sound

like, as if it was in the middle of a word

fizzshell

oh, zsh is an option

nevermind then haha

pxeger

@user Zed Ess Aitch

DLosc

@Anush The only argument I can think of for not making the nominations post community wiki is that it might decrease people's sense of ownership about their nominations. But there's no rep involved, so maybe it wouldn't.

@user I've been saying "zeesh," not because I think it's necessarily the "right" way to say it, but because it's fun to say. ^_^

4

thejonymyster

16:21

what if randall did xkcd 545 again but instead of it being about wikipedia, it being about the explainxkcd page

DLosc

17:03

@lyxal Is that related to Proof by Intimidation?

@hyper-neutrino I think it makes sense for Nominations for Language of the Month to be community wiki. If you agree, could you please convert it?

hyper-neutrino

done

DLosc

Thanks!

pxeger

@DLosc I disagree with that, and I certainly disagree with doing that without proper discussion (afaict, only you, Anush, and h-n were involved)

I don't see any reason to do it

hyper-neutrino

wait i thought y'all'd finished sorting this out? i remember a discussion starting here and never said anything about it

DLosc

@pxeger I asked multiple times on multiple days. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What's your argument against? I believe a mod can un-CW a post if need be.

user

17:16

Couldn't a meta discussion be made?

pxeger

A user's nomination answers belong to them, because there is normally an association between that user and the language they nominated (e.g. I nominated Zsh because I regularly use Zsh)

user

Asking in chat means that people won't be likely to see it (especially if it isn't pinned, which this wasn't afair)

pxeger

And, for example, the Zsh one contain[ed] a lot of "I" and "me" which make less sense on CW

@user precisely; why wasn't it? Or at least pinned for a couple days

hyper-neutrino

whatever. i'll revert it and just link me the meta concensus if you guys decide you want it CW'd again

DLosc

@pxeger TBH I didn't think it was that important either way. I can throw together a quick meta post.

Aaroneous Miller

17:21

I don't really have an opinion on it either way, but I think it should be mentioned that a lot of LotM nominations are done by the creators of the language (e.g. Vyxal, Plumber, Add++, tinylisp, Arn, etc.), who would probably prefer to have their nominations remain their own.

user

@pxeger wdym? Does it really matter?

pxeger

4 mins ago, by pxeger

And, for example, the Zsh one contain[ed] a lot of "I" and "me" which make less sense on CW

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger You can still see who posts an answer when its CW

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing but the relationship isn't really conveyed as strongly

caird coinheringaahing

CW here makes sense, as the post gets edited at least once a month by a large number of (overall) users. While tradition is to allow the person who posted the nomination to post the LOTM thread, anyone can do it. Ownership of the answer isn't important

Besides, I think people can figure out what is meant when people use "I"/"me" in a CW post

New Posts

17:24

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Q: Should Nominations for Language of the Month be community wiki?

Should the Nominations for Language of the Month post be converted to a community wiki? What are the pros and cons of doing so?

discussion language-of-the-month community-wiki

user

@pxeger That can easily be edited out, and even if it's left in, it's not a huge deal

DLosc

Another option: I just edited my tinylisp nomination to read "I (DLosc)"

hyper-neutrino

@BetaDecay well, sp would be ambiguous with sympy

and np makes sense because NumPy = NP whereas SciPy and SymPy would get confusing and if you call it like scp or something that's just not as nice anymore

Redwolf Programmed

There are surprisingly many broken links on Wikipedia :/

I just want to know about the history of squash ffs

pxeger

quick question: can a question be CW without its answers being made so?

Redwolf Programmed

17:29

TIL:

> The English word "squash" derives from askutasquash (a green thing eaten raw)

DLosc

@pxeger No, unfortunately

pxeger

in that case I concede; I've seen the worth for the question itself to be CW, and I guess it's less important for the answers

DLosc

That might have been the best option if it were possible

caird coinheringaahing

I actually think having CW answers is useful

pxeger

why?

caird coinheringaahing

17:30

If a user who likes a nominated language thinks its lacking in listed resources/info/pros/cons etc., they can only edit those in (including suggesting an edit) if they have 2k+ rep

They can leave a comment, but the better thing to do is to edit

@cairdcoinheringaahing Granted, it won't be used that often, but there's very little downside, and if it helps one person, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

DLosc

It also allows us to do the edit-down-and-delete steps for successful nominations more easily. Once or twice, I've had to flag a nomination for mod deletion because the user who posted it wasn't active anymore. Like caird said, not a big deal, but a small annoyance.

hyper-neutrino

oh yeah the october one was up for a long time i deleted it like a week ago lol

caird coinheringaahing

@NewPosts I want to answer "No, because if its a fraction, its not an irrational" to this :P

pxeger

17:52

@hyper-neutrino I started programming using Visual Basic in Excel, and wow, those scars certainly still haunt my dreams

@lyxal at school I made, what was, looking back on it, quite a complex P2P network, for a chat system, precisely because a web chat would get shut down very quickly

DLosc

18:30

Chess super-grandmaster has all kinds of trouble with the concept of generalizing to a higher number of dimensions

@cairdcoinheringaahing s/Outputting/Approximating/ to match the language in the post body (agreed, though)

user

I love how LaTeX makes my life easier except that one time when you want to insert a normal tilde and have to use a package to do it ಠ_ಠ

Wow, a take home quiz back from September just got graded and my teacher says I have until midnight to turn in the corrections ಠ_ಠ

It's great that he lets us correct them, but a heads-up would be nice

Redwolf Programmed

18:59

I mean it's obviously a top priority, since it only took two whole months to grade :p

emanresu A

Yeah, duh.

Redwolf Programmed

@pxeger Out of interest, how did this work? I've considered something like that before, but I'm not really sure about some stuff (like how they'd get each other's IPs).

user

My laptop is really struggling today

Redwolf Programmed

Chrome and Firefox?

emanresu A

Why do you have terminal, powershell and vscode open at the same time???

user

19:05

It's RAM day and my CPU's out of shape

@emanresuA I also have the WSL terminal thing and cmd open :)

emanresu A

AND atom???

pxeger

@emanresuA 3 types of conhost (cmd, powershell, WSL bash), and the new Terminal

user

@RedwolfProgrammed I use Chrome for my school stuff because Firefox's multi-account containers weren't good enough

pxeger

@emanresuA and IntelliJ

user

I'm not actually using Powershell, I was going to and then decided to use Terminal because it's got a cooler UI

pxeger

19:06

and two drawing apps?

user

One for an actual assignment and one for a bad edit

@emanresuA VS Code for a personal side project, Atom for Vyxal, and IntelliJ for a school club

emanresu A

ಠ_ಠ

user

CMP: What's the most applications you've ever had to have open?

emanresu A

You realise all of them can have multiple windows?

Redwolf Programmed

@user Maybe 5

emanresu A

19:08

@user Had to have open or opened by mistake? Because there was the time I opened up eight copies of Minecraft...

user

@emanresuA I use VS Code because it's got Metals and IntelliJ's support for Scala sucks, Atom because it's cool but pretty much the only language I can use it with is Python (which Vyxal uses), and IntelliJ because I have to for Java

@emanresuA See now that's why I stopped pinning stuff to my taskbar

pxeger

@user regularly? it's normally 3xFirefox, 2xKonsole, Password Manager, Thunderbird

emanresu A

@RedwolfProgrammed ಠ_ಠ I have seven open right now

user

Or you get IntelliJ and 10 Chrome windows opening at once while your laptop's booting and then it just dies

pxeger

and Flameshot, if that counts, but it only runs in the system tray

user

19:09

@pxeger Why use Thunderbird if you can open mail in Firefox?

pxeger

@user it's not web mail, it's raw untainted IMAP and SMTP

emanresu A

Github Desktop, Firefox, Finder, vscode, Terminal, Textedit, and Piskel

pxeger

@user I have my work email open in Firefox

user

@pxeger Why do you need raw IMAP and SMTP?

pxeger

@user my personal email is complicated

emanresu A

19:11

Btw, my email address is [email protected]

pxeger

I could set up Roundcube or something, but that's just another service I have to maintain

emanresu A

Wait

did that ping you?

pxeger

no

emanresu A

ø⁄

Aka dab

user

@pxeger Oh dear

pxeger

19:12

@RedwolfProgrammed I think it was something like "attempt connect to a few hardcoded ips of a computers that are commonly used to run my chat app [mine and some friends, probably] and send them this computer's IP"

pxeger

19:56

@pxeger attempt to connect*

Redwolf Programmed

> In three sentences or else summarize the beginning, middle, and end of this poem.

pxeger

"or else"? So it doesn't have to be in three sentences at all?

Redwolf Programmed

I'm sure he meant "or less", but I do love the idea of the threat "do it in three sentences, or else you'll have to summarize a poem"

Neil

@user you know that that's the underlying protocols for email... webmail is just user laziness

Redwolf Programmed

We prefer the term convenience :p

user

20:04

@Neil Sure, but normal lazy users (which pxeger is apparently not) can just use Gmail :P

Redwolf Programmed

I don't really see the point of using old person email anymore tbh, it's more convenient to just do it through the browser like everything else

pxeger

> not lazy

wow, did that approximate a compliment? I'm gonna take that as a compliment

@RedwolfProgrammed old_man_shaking_fist Back in my day, young man, we didn't even have a "protocol" to deal with the post office, we had to rsh in and more the Maildir ourselves!

user

@pxeger No, I meant you're not normal :P

Redwolf Programmed

TBH using something like gmail doesn't feel lazy, it feels like the default and anyone doing it the old way either should have a good reason or just has a case of i-want-to-feel-smart syndrome

(or it's for learning purposes or similar)

pxeger

20:21

@RedwolfProgrammed what do you mean? "i-want-to-feel-smart syndrome" is a good reason!

Redwolf Programmed

Hmm, fair enough :p

Anush

Funny thing... Lots of really great answers as soon as I put the bounty on and then nothing

It's like everyone had them ready to go :)

pxeger

@RedwolfProgrammed in that case it should be "fewer" :Þ

2

user

You're the most pedantiest pedant I've ever seen

Why would you expect an English teacher to use "fewer" instead of "less" here?

Anush

Not I want to know what is being discussed that needs fewer?!

user

20:32

34 mins ago, by Redwolf Programmed

> In three sentences or else summarize the beginning, middle, and end of this poem.

Anush

It's ambiguous. Fewer would mean two, one or no sentences

Less would mean not as much in the summary

But fewer is probably right here

pxeger

@user bites lip angrily

Anush

@pxeger surely you should point out the word pedantic

pxeger

that, I believe, was the point

Anush

The distinction between discrete and continuous is a good one and natural for anyone who has done math

Aaroneous Miller

20:41

I'm reimplementing Flipbit, and I have a couple questions, since there isn't really a spec. 1) Can input be limited to characters where ord(char) < 256? 2) Must the tape be finite in size?

Oh shoot I forgor to @cairdcoinheringaahing for ^

caird coinheringaahing

@AaroneousMiller You can just create a "dialect" of Flipbit where it doesn't have to be exactly the same as the original :P

But I guess 1) I don't see why not, and 2) Can be finite or infinite

Aaroneous Miller

lol thx

Also, what's the rationale for this:

if tindex < 0:
    tindex = 0
    tape[tindex] = 0

if you try to go left of the tape, it sets the first bit of the tape to 0

user

21:01

@pxeger Sorry, after looking at Anush's comment, I realize I should've said "the most pedantic pedanticiest pedant" :P

pxeger

sounds of a teapot whistling

Anush

@user correct! :)

But not as a pedantic as a good compiler

caird coinheringaahing

@AaroneousMiller You're assuming there is rational behind my coding choices

Anush

21:18

CMC shortest code to sort a list of integers only using elementary operations

I.e. reading elements, comparison, arithmetic, assigning variables

Redwolf Programmed

21:38

@AaroneousMiller Perhaps to prevent the equaivalent of [<] from infinitely looping?

user

21:57

@Anush I prefer my compilers to be more helpful than pedantic :P

Of course, a forgiving compiler isn't great either

@Anush Scala: _.sort (only elementary operations are used...behind the scenes, that is) :P

Anush

@user poor behaviour!

@user helpful compiler?? Are you dreaming?

caird coinheringaahing

@Anush Jelly, Ṣ. Defines "sort" to be an elementary operation :P

Anush

@cairdcoinheringaahing follow the spirit of the rules!

:)

user

@Anush One huge part of compilers (and the whole point of linters) is to helpfully show you what you're doing wrong

Anush

@user I know but I have spent a long time with gcc

user

22:03

:(

Anush

You really need to know what the problem is before you read what it gives you

caird coinheringaahing

@Anush CMCs are like Uno: the rules are what you can convince everyone else the rules are :P

Anush

@cairdcoinheringaahing :)

user

You know what they say: Might makes right. Anush needs to become a mod and threaten us with bans to get us to do it properly :P

Anush

Latex is even worse. The error messages are next to useless

@user good plan!

hyper-neutrino

22:05

@user well I've never heard that saying before actually but thanks for the idea

user

np

Anush

CMC given two strings A and B, count how many substrings of A are substrings of B

user

You forgot the first step :P

@Anush Python + Vyxal: from vyxal.elements import *;lambda a,b:sum(s in substrings(b)for s in substrings(a))

Anush

Is that function symmetric?

@user nice mix!

user

The question's basically to count the size of the intersection of both their substrings, right? I think it's symmetric

Anush

22:07

@user ah right

user

@Anush It's not a mix, I'm treating the Vyxal interpreter like a library lol

Anush

Understood

hyper-neutrino

is there any websocket / or non-stupid way to get all chat messages in real-time? by non-stupid I mean not just while True: get("https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/x"); x++

Anush

I feel an unpopular restricted complexity question coming on

Redwolf Programmed

@hyper-neutrino Yes, there's a websocket

caird coinheringaahing

22:11

@hyper-neutrino You can set up a listener bot in here that will catch and log all new messages, but that won't cover old messages

Redwolf Programmed

@RedwolfProgrammed oh wait no

Not for old messages

You can get 500 at a time though

Using /events

You can borrow my code I used for TWTNB if you want

Wait no you can't because I am potat and didn't save it

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah, okay. That's fine - I only need real-time new messages (the idea is to do a CHQ-like thing for chat - we're just speculating on whether or not that would even be feasible)

(also, when you say "bot here" I think you misunderstood - I want all messages, not just this room)

Redwolf Programmed

Watching all current messages in one room is trivial

NP/SP actually does that, but only to acknowledge pings to stop it from emailing me every other day

And to listen for status/REDWOLF! messages

I don't think it's possible for all rooms though

I'd thought the main page updated the list of rooms every time a new message was sent, but after some inspection it seems it does not

And that's the only place I could see there being a socket for all messages

If you wanted a somewhat gross but still functioning solution, you could watch the chat homepage for new rooms, then listen to every single non-frozen room

hyper-neutrino

that's one of the ideas we ended up coming to as well :P

Redwolf Programmed

22:26

That's only...800 or so lol

Yeah that probably wouldn't work

The incrementing message IDs is honestly probably the best option

If you checked every second or so, you'd accumulate a small backlog if a lot of messages were posted at once, but as long as you check faster than the average rate of messges being sent you'd always catch up in theory

Wait, the chat homepage is updating

Hold on...

Wait no it isn't

Wait yeah it is?!

user

???

Redwolf Programmed

Okay, it's just re-checking /rooms

So it's not a websocket accumulating messages from different rooms, it just auto-refreshes with some JS

So that could also be a viable approach

hyper-neutrino

which approach, incrementing id?

Redwolf Programmed

I'd probably go with incrementing ID, but the /rooms one is also viable

You'd still have to combine /rooms with /events, so depending on how active chat is I'm not sure which would require more requests

hyper-neutrino

as long as we can distinguish between "message doesn't exist yet" and "message was deleted / is in private room" we should be fine

Redwolf Programmed

22:36

Sounds like an interesting project.

Doesn't seem like it'd be as useful for chat as it would be for questions/answers, though

hyper-neutrino

definitely not. chat flags get things done pretty fast lol

lyxal

23:34

@emanresuA I once sent an email to [email protected]

> Nice to meet you too, Lyxal

That was pxeger's reply to me sending the word frick

user

23:50

Hmm, I wonder how he knew it was you :P

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