The Nineteenth Byte

user

8:01 PM

:(

caird coinheringaahing

> Viewed 62 times

Oof

user

Should be 69 now :P

Catija

@hyper-neutrino There's a guide on MSE about how to update your site-specific close reasons.

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A: Should we update/clarify our help center with respect to other sites and teams?

I think updating the help center is a good start but I would also like to recommend that we overhaul the entire process - the close reason wording isn't bad but when we improved the close UI and the post notices, we added the ability to customize the text based on who sees it, which means that a ...

hyper-neutrino

@Catija ah, thanks. am I able to actually edit the reason itself though? it only seems to let me deactivate and create a new one - or would i have to get a CM to edit it

your post does detail why editing it is typically unfavorable - it might make sense here though, i'd have to think about it

Catija

There's more info on the Mod Team post.

hyper-neutrino

8:13 PM

okay, thanks

Catija

Y'all can't edit it but if you come up with the text you want, I can edit for y'all. Just status-review once it's ready.

hyper-neutrino

CMM: should we edit "This site is for programming contests and challenges. General programming questions are off-topic here. You may be able to get help on Stack Overflow." to "This site is for coding challenges and code golf. General programming questions are off-topic here. You may be able to get help on Stack Overflow." ? (or, suggest a better wording that makes it reflect our site better but doesn't change too much)

if there's decent approval i'll put it on meta and tag it when it's ready. thanks Catija

emanresu A

A lot of the close reasons seem to be 'This doesn't belong anywhere on the network' or similar.

> I’m voting to close this question because this isn't remotely on topic for anywhere on the SE network

> I’m voting to close this question because it shouldn't be on the Stack Exchange network at all.

> I’m voting to close this question because it doesn't belong here and probably not on any other SE site either.

> I am closing this question because it is blatantly off-topic and does not belong anywhere on the Stack Exchange network.

caird coinheringaahing

It'd be nice if one of the default reasons was "This is off-topic for any SE site"

emanresu A

> I’m voting to close this question because it has nothing to do with our site scope and is off-topic for all of Stack Exchange. Additionally, I am deleting this post because it is extremely low quality and borderline spam and has no redeemable qualities.

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's my point

Catija

8:16 PM

Looks like y'all have a slot open?

hyper-neutrino

yes

Wheat Wizard

@hyper-neutrino I think that's good and I don't see any way it could be improved.

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija Yeah, but I don't think it should be a custom one - that should be a default on all sites

Catija

I... generally recommend avoiding a "blatantly off topic" option... the thing is, when you have it, people use it instead of actually helping the person understand the issue.

(yes, yes, I know that sites that don't have any custom reasons get a default "blatantly off topic" reason - I just don't generally like it. :P )

caird coinheringaahing

How do you help someone if what they've posted doesn't belong on the network at all?

"This is the wrong place for this, go away"?

@hyper-neutrino Potentially, "You may be able to get help on Stack Overflow, but be sure to read their "how to ask" page first"?

Catija

8:19 PM

Yes, farming on SO is highly recommended. :)

caird coinheringaahing

Depends what you're farming :P

Catija

> This question does not appear to be about code golf or coding challenges within the scope defined in the help center.

This is the default text... apparently we got rid of the "blatant" bit.

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I can't tell if your finger somehow teleported to the other side of the keyboard or if it somehow hit the "Rotate letter" button on your magic keyboard :P

caird coinheringaahing

I type too quickly :P

hyper-neutrino

it's 25% a typo so within range of reasonability/acceptability :P

caird coinheringaahing

8:21 PM

I have a bunch of words under "muscle memory", and just fix any typos after I type them :P

@hyper-neutrino Yep, levenshtein distance of 1 :P

Catija

"Reap" is in your muscle memory?

caird coinheringaahing

No, but "rep" is :P

hyper-neutrino

ah

Catija

Ah.

user

...

caird coinheringaahing

8:22 PM

"Read" + "rep" = "reap" :P

@Catija Interestingly, the close flag on MSE has this as an option:

> Blatantly off-topic
This question has nothing to do with the software that powers the Stack Exchange network.

user

Red pear

@cairdcoinheringaahing "Blatantly" is a bit strong

We could do with a close reason similar to that, though

caird coinheringaahing

Spend a day watching /new on MSE and then say that "blatant" is a bit strong :P

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing Anyway, you help them understand what the site is for instead of merely saying "go away".

@cairdcoinheringaahing Interesting... wonder where it's pulling that from.

caird coinheringaahing

If someone posts something that absolutely doesn't belong anywhere on the network (and isn't spam/RA), then we vote to close it as off-topic per a custom reason, because if we chose the default "off-topic" reason, it'd point them to SO

Catija

I don't see that option in the MSE list for either flagging or closing.

caird coinheringaahing

8:26 PM

@Catija Flag > Needs improvement > A community-specific reason

Catija

I can't see it - probably because the flags are served differently for low-rep than privileged users.

caird coinheringaahing

Looks like it. I can see that option on all sites except M&TV and CGCC (where I have 3k+)

Catija

That feels like something we should fix but I'm guessing it's the alternative to the custom reason.

Probably just got overlooked in the shuffle.

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Having a default close reason for "This is absolutely off-topic for any SE site" seems like a natural option imo

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing Agreed

caird coinheringaahing

8:33 PM

We can help those users by leaving a comment saying "Hey, this kind of content won't be accepted anywhere on the SE network. Maybe check out reddit/quora/wherever" but custom close reasons are a hacky workaround for a feature that should exist, and the standard close reason just directs them to SO, which has enough off-topic/VLQ as it is

Also, I like that basically all the custom VTC messages start with "I’m voting to close this question because"

Catija

It's prefilled in the form.

caird coinheringaahing

That'd explain it :P

emanresu A

@pxeger No

@WheatWizard No idea

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino @Catija For the CM/mod meetup, will a transcript/answers be published for us regular users to read?

Catija

Not sure. I don't know that we have in the past. We aren't exactly mentioning it publicly.

DLosc

8:44 PM

@emanresuA Everybody's favorite song :P

Though my longest golf that I actually put a lot of effort into would be for this interpreter challenge.

emanresu A

> It used to be somewhat readable, but following @sirpercival's advice has eliminated that drawback!

DLosc

9:08 PM

You will note that sirpercival's Python answer to that challenge is 33% shorter than mine :P

Nick Michel

anyone alive here?

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emanresu A

~~Dude~~ caird has ~~Duded~~ cairded.

caird coinheringaahing

@NickMichel Unfortunately not, we're all zombies and ghosts

@emanresuA Who is this "Dude" you speak of?

emanresu A

What are you talking about ;)

caird coinheringaahing

9:11 PM

@emanresuA caird has coinheringaahinged :P

Nick Michel

is anyone here a coder and knows a lot about blender? I am sort of looking for a plugin/workaround/code thingy

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing Shouldn't that be coinheringaahed?

emanresu A

You've done all your coinheringaahings for today, right?

caird coinheringaahing

@DLosc No, the "ing" at the end isn't a present continuous, but part of the original verb: to coinheringaahing :P

@emanresuA Pretty sure, yep :P

@NickMichel Most of us are "coders" (read: know something about programming), but this probably isn't the best chat room to ask about Blender

Have you asked in The Renderfarm?

Wheat Wizard

I'm coinheringaahinging.

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Nick Michel

9:13 PM

darn... I was going to see if you guys knew of a way to get access to xy and z all at once in blender

caird coinheringaahing

@WheatWizard It;s a good feeling, no? :P

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ye;s

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA ' is basically ;

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hm. This makes me wonder about the grammar of your username. Is it a full sentence? Because I would think that should use the 3rd person singular form: "caird coinheringaahings." Or is "caird" an adverb?

caird coinheringaahing

The "words" of my username are caird, coinhering, aahing

DLosc

9:19 PM

(Tell me to stop anytime. I enjoy nitpicking grammar :P)

caird coinheringaahing

"coinhering" is the continuous form of "to coinhere", as is "aahing" for "to aah" :P

@DLosc Same here :P

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing So you're an arcade machine?

caird coinheringaahing

yourdictionary.com/coinhere

I am one substance

DLosc

... but

8 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

@DLosc No, the "ing" at the end isn't a present continuous, but part of the original verb: to coinheringaahing :P

user

@NickMichel Only technically, but we're all practically brain dead :P

emanresu A

9:21 PM

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A: Jon Skeet Facts

Alan Turing is Skeet-Complete.

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing What is the definition of coinheringaahing?

caird coinheringaahing

@DLosc Yes, "to coinheringaahing" is the infinitive, made up of two present continuous forms :P

"to coinheringaahing": to act in a manner accordingly of caird coinheringaahing

user

What does it mean to coinheringaah?

@cairdcoinheringaahing Now that's a vague definition

caird coinheringaahing

And yet, it's the only correct one :P

Wait no, there are many correct definitions, lemme list them :P

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing Coinheringaah! So the username means "caird [who is] coinhering [and] aahing," but then "coinheringaahing" is a new verb derived from the username.

user

9:23 PM

Interesting

emanresu A

coinheringaahinging means to Jelly.

caird coinheringaahing

"to coinheringaahing": to get horribly outgolfed in Jelly
"to coinheringaahing": to be referred to in an incomprehensible and confusing manner
"to coinheringaahing": to bug important people about minor improvements to an internet site

etc.

"caird" refers to me the person who is coinheringaahinging :P

emanresu A

user

duck

caird coinheringaahing

...I'm an atheist :P

emanresu A

9:29 PM

DLosc

While I was skimming my non-golflang answers looking for the longest one, I realized that I make a lot of quips when I post answers in QBasic:

> I sure love GOTOs.
Don't run this for very long or your laptop will catch fire.
This code is very weird.
What? We have no fancy binary-to-decimal functions here. Do it yourself!
YAY FOR SHOUTY SYNTAX

emanresu A

GOTO SLEEP

DLosc

@emanresuA Expected: label or line number :P

emanresu A

SLEEP: GOTO

DLosc

43 secs ago, by DLosc

@emanresuA Expected: label or line number :P

(SLEEP is a keyword)

emanresu A

9:40 PM

SLEEP FOREVER

Hm

3

A: Jon Skeet Facts

Jon Skeet sent Asimov the 3 laws Jon Skeet is the ghost in the machine Jon Skeet wrote Mac OS X in QBasic I have a Jon Skeet screen-saver - it locked me out Jon Skeet on existentialism, "Did you download my screen-saver yet?" Jon Skeet is the pattern from which all other patterns emerge The fir...

> Jon Skeet wrote Mac OS X in QBasic

DLosc

@emanresuA That actually kinda works. FOREVER, being an uninitialized variable, equals 0, and SLEEP 0 waits for a user keypress. So as long as you don't press any keys, it really will sleep forever.

@emanresuA GOTO BED is a good option, as long as you define the BED label somewhere

DLosc

9:52 PM

DIM LIGHTS
SLEEP
IF RESTED THEN GET UP
IF NOT RESTED THEN SLEEP MORE

Browncat Programs

Oh, is BMG soon?

I got an inbox notification

caird coinheringaahing

Yep, 2 hours or so

Feel free to start proposing drafts for CMCs y'all:

BMG Drafts

Draft voting for Biweekly Mini Golf

Browncat Programs

I love how 3d printer nozzles are ranked in Amazon's "garden hose nozzle" category

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emanresu A

@DLosc Lol

Browncat Programs

For when you want your garden hose to spray 0.4mm of water at higher temperatures or when it contains abrasive composites :p

John Dvorak

10:25 PM

some plants are just that picky

caird coinheringaahing

10:41 PM

@hyper-neutrino Per this meta discussion (and because basically no one has the required score to vote), could you approve the tag synonym for average being a synonym for statistics?

hyper-neutrino

10:56 PM

sure, done. should it be merged?

user

@BrowncatPrograms Do you not 3d print water?

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caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Does merging do anything extra?

hyper-neutrino

replaces instances of the old tag with the new one

for example, codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/195592/average-two-letters still has average on it

caird coinheringaahing

Merging would replace that with statistics?

hyper-neutrino

yep

emanresu A

10:57 PM

do then

Does it bump?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, might as well merge them

hyper-neutrino

no

it does not even generate revision history

in fact, i am pretty sure the most destructive single action i could do as a mod is merge code-golf into like code-challenge or smth

most things mods can do are pretty easily reversible. tag merges give several warnings because it's... pretty much impossible to fix even manually

anyway, there were only 3 questions with average anyway, so a merge makes sense. done

caird coinheringaahing

That's kinda scary tbh

It overwrites the revision history

user

@hyper-neutrino There's no undo thingy?

emanresu A

^^

caird coinheringaahing

11:01 PM

Currently, average still exists in the SEDE databases, but that'll be updated on Sunday

Otherwise, average no longer exists, and all questions tagged with it have now been retagged - silently - with statistics

hyper-neutrino

@user n o p e

as far as we know, average not only no longer exists, it never existed at all, pretty much

reality can be whatever I want

caird coinheringaahing

Only when it comes to tags :P

The Tag Reality Stone :P

hyper-neutrino

yes :P

lyxal

> sonic likes S&M

Zoom chat out of context

caird coinheringaahing

It's a pretty good song

lyxal

11:11 PM

Also, anyone want to tell me why we're learning about gardening in my data structures course?

caird coinheringaahing

Trees

lyxal

dang it caird

you ninja'd my /s explanation

frick sake

at least let me finish the joke next time

caird coinheringaahing

:P

lyxal

Screw it

I'll post the /s part anyway

because frick you

@lyxal Like I get trees are good the environment and stuff, but how tf they gonna help me transverse data? /s

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Consider me fricked :P

lyxal

11:16 PM

oh hey JoKing

> lecturer_photoshopped_onto_the_lorax.png

More zoom chat but in some context

user

@lyxal It is to help you find inner peace

Only when you can calm yourself and clear your mind can you harness your true C++ skills, grasshopper

lyxal

oop here we go we gonna do sh*t with binary trees

insert binary tree transversal joke here

user

I don't see how binary trees have anything to do with object oriented programming

lyxal

@user urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Oop

emanresu A

Build a binary treehouse!

Class Treehouse Extends Tree

lyxal

11:30 PM

Hang on

this isn't trees

he talking about parents, children and siblings

I thought this was gardening, not family structure

caird coinheringaahing

BMG Drafts

Draft voting for Biweekly Mini Golf

BMG is in half an hour, feel free to suggest and vote on drafts

user

@lyxal Indeed, as stack overflow (or some other site) has proven, families can’t always be represented by trees :p

lyxal

11:49 PM

Through the fire and flames - But it never starts

►

it's actually suffering

Niko

@lyxal I was listening to this song recently and you are torturing me already

lyxal

@Niko dw I hate it too

caird coinheringaahing

Why is the notification for events 9 minutes before? :P

lyxal

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Jo King

so when you press snooze you wake up in time

caird coinheringaahing

11:51 PM

But why 9 minutes, rather than 10 or 15? :P

emanresu A

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(ノ°Д°）ノ︵ ┻━┻

caird coinheringaahing

This hasn't entered the review queues for some reason, and could do with some NAA flags/VTDs

Bubbler

Maybe it's coded as 10 minutes before the event, but by the time the notification rolls in it becomes 9 minutes and some seconds instead, which is rounded down to 9 minutes

emanresu A

I did

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

No flip :P

emanresu A

11:53 PM

(ノ°Д°）ノ︵ ┻━┻

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

Niko

>:*D