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19:00
you guys are weird lol
@hyper-neutrino Yes.
@hyper-neutrino No.
@hyper-neutrino We have ice cream vans...
@pxeger Have you not seen the 10-wheeler Mr Whippy trucks barrelling down the M1? :P
Idea: Ice cream tanks
and there's an ice cream boat
19:03
@hyper-neutrino Now that you're here: The TryAPL bot only says you can edit your message when you forget both backticks. If you forget only one, it still notifies you of the problem, but doesn't give that useful hint.
Better idea: Ice cream planes (or helicopters), which can target your coordinates and fire ice cream at your location
@Dudecoinheringaahing that's not called a "truck" in my vocabulary. 10-wheelers are called lorries
Lorries are trucks :P
also, lorries notably don't barrel down the M1
Garbage truck, dustbin lorry; tomato, tomato.
19:04
I haven't driven on the M1 for a while tbh :P
have you ever seen Elefantenrennen?
Elephant running?
No?
@Adám not the same; the first one is garbage!, Terrible!, and the second one is not!
I throw my garbage in the dustbin. Sue me!
@Dudecoinheringaahing literally "elephant racing" in German; when a lorry blocks the outside lane while overtaking a lorry in the inside lane because it's going 0.1mph faster
@Adám we're typically less litigious in the UK, so I don't think I will :Þ
19:07
That's why lorries aren't allowed in the outside lane :P
@Adám I throw my trash in the garbage :P
It's a lot easier if you just call everything that's not a car a truck. Car? Car. Truck? Truck. 18-wheeler? Truck. Tank? Truck. Keyboard? Truck. Cat? Truck.
allowed ≠ what actually happens
@BrowncatPrograms Truck don't think that's a good truck.
Truck makes truck quite hard to understand
@pxeger Can't say I've ever seen a truck overtaking on a two lane road before
3+ lanes? Sure. 2? Not really
how much of the M1 is only 2 lanes?
This conversation is very confusing to me because to me "truck" refers to something like an F-150, and "semi-truck" or "18-wheeler" refers to one of the big trucks, and "lorry" just isn't in my vocabulary :p
19:10
CMC: biggest difference in number of lanes between two stretches of the same road in the UK
I've gone from single lane roads to 4 lanes before :P
Most often when 3 lanes are closed due to an accident
(they don't have to be next to each other, as long as they're technically the same road)
@AaronMiller ...I really don't know, I have no idea how it works
I would have expected an error
@Dudecoinheringaahing Wait, no, I think I've gotten to 6. IIRC, the entrance to the motorway around northern Bristol goes from a single lane country road, onto the on-ramp via a roundabout, and the motorway has 6 lanes while you figure out where in Bristol you're going
CMC: Given two black-box functions f(x,y) and g(x), and either one or two values (you can take them as a 1-or-2 element list) compute f(x,g(y)) if you're given 2 values and f(x,g(x)) if you're given one value.
19:16
@Adám You have Java. / You talk about how to defeat the dragon at great length / The villagers get tired of you talking and pay you money.
@Adám JS: (f,g,x,y=x)=>f(x,g(y)) (might be cheating, idk)
@Adám Hmm, smells like APL :P
@BrowncatPrograms No, that makes sense.
@BrowncatPrograms Why would it be cheating?
19:17
J, actually.
m90
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@Adám Python 3, 29 bytes: lambda f,g,l:f(l[0],g(l[-1]))
I can make it 3 bytes if I can take an empty right argument for 1 value
@user Because it doesn't take a list
But I initially read the "can" in "you can take them as a 1-or-2 element list" as "you should"
@Adám Zsh, 16 bytes: f $1 `g ${2-$1}`
@Dudecoinheringaahing No, because the empty argument is also a valid value, no?
19:18
(uses predefined functions f and g)
@Adám Scala: a=>g=>_(a(0),g(a.last))
@Adám Not really
Depends on what you limit x and y to be
Oh.
@Dudecoinheringaahing I don't.
@Adám oic
It is kind-of 0 bytes in J.
19:19
For functions with given names, add 2 bytes: $1 $3 `$2 ${4-$3}`
@Adám For example (, is the "pair" atom)
@Adám Is that how its trains work?
@Dudecoinheringaahing Oh, I see. Then maybe yes.
@user That's specifically how 2-trains work in J. ikr.
Oh, interesting
19:20
1 byte in BQN:
@Adám Actually, kinda. For example, this shows the actual value returned (in Python terms, rather than Jelly smash-printing), so the empty argument is really an empty list
(also omg Adam just used an initialism lol)
In APL, you'd have to write ⎕∘⎕⍨⍨⎕ for a full program. No, wait, that doesn't work.
The empty right argument is a weird trick in Jelly :P
Aren't most of Jelly's tricks weird? :P
19:22
No, like extra weird :P
Probably {⍺←⍵⋄⍺ ⍺⍺⍵⍵⍵} then.
Awww
Because the way the program is parsed depends on how many arguments its given, an empty right argument can, without actually being used, change the program :P
⎕{⍺←⍵⋄⍺⎕⎕⍵}⎕ which is a full program is shorter. Nope.
@Adám is it bad that i quickly read this in the little side bar on the chat and thought you did a string of 'uwu's? :|
19:24
-5 already, jeez
Oh wow, -4 in seconds
I'm restarting my cake :P
-7 now
@ThomasWard :-) Here's a better one: The APL higher-order function when deriving a function that is used with two arguments, can be defined as {⍺⍺⍺⍵⍵⍵}
19:24
Didn't seem like spam, just a low quality challenge. Didn't click the video though.
it's not even that bad
Nah, feels like spam too
no, it's not spam
it's just badly written
I definitely read it as spam but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What are you supposed to do? Play some game and then post a video of you playing it?
19:25
no, golf the music it seems
It'll get deleted in a second
what he's asking you to do is golf play the music
Oh
i.e. golf the pseudocode of "open youtubevideo as video; video.play"
i don't think that's suitable for a codegolf though
Shouldn't have been voted to -7 and butterized, though, imo
19:26
to me it was more like asking for implementing the music playing through something like aplay or whatever
@BrowncatPrograms It looks a lot like spam at first glance
Didn't to me, but idk
well, maybe read something rather than just judging based on a glance..?
It was properly tagged
Really, the video is the only thing that indicates that it isn't spam, and I'm not clicking a link in a post I already think is spam
19:27
@rak1507 perhaps, but i also think they were wanting tyou to golf it so the rhythm and such are played properly via a golf'd language
yeah
problem is, though, i think you8 need much more complex crap than base golfing
@Dudecoinheringaahing it clearly isn't 'spam' if you actually read the post
shrugs Opinion: not worthy of the site
but not spam
I downvoted it because it's underspecified and it's a rubbish challenge (and it's a rubbish song)
19:28
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I probably should've read it better, but I'm not removing my spam flag
'Winning entry will the the entry with the lowest size', I mean, this is a winning criteria that mentions code golf
It should have been given feedback along with the dvs though, remeber this was still posted by a person
It's not fit for this site at all and it's spam in the sense that it doesn't provide anything meaningful
@BrowncatPrograms There's an autogenerated comment
yes, -7 instantly for something would be a bit demoralising
19:29
@Adám heheh nice.
@user That's honestly about as bad as nothing
@user not sure that it's not fit for the site, it's a kolmogorov complexity challenge but for music
kinda
I'd expect someone to at least read through a couple of posts and looking at their quality before trying to post your own challenge
@user Agree, but I have removed my spam flag
(my downvote was a literal downvote for nonspecificity and unclear challenge, specifically. no flags here :P)
19:29
@rak1507 I would totally be okay with the base challenge if they cleaned it up, but it looks like they put absolutely zero effort into it
If something isn't spam, even if its VLQ, it shouldn't be flagged as spam
the SE definition of spam is quite narrow though, it needs to be "purely to promote a product or service"
Might have been a bit hasty on the butterising tho :/
Grr, new password: hhYMBsY7pd2cXwG → "Password is not strong enough"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Retracted the flag
@Adám It's a very common name where I'm from :P
19:31
@Adám try stroganoff
@pxeger I think most of us can use common sense to determine if something is spam tbh, regardless of if it fits that definition
The spam flag says:
> Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation.
ngn
ngn
@Adám needs more apl chars
I quite often get 50% of the way to spam-flagging something before I realise it's not techincally spam, and switch to VLQ or custom message
Arguably, if someone posts a post saying "I work at hotel, you should come visit, it's amazing, click here", that's not spam, as it discloses their affiliation
@ngn ⍴⍺ss⍵○⌈d
19:32
Course, we'd all flag that as spam anyway
@Dudecoinheringaahing I read it as "Exists only to promote a product or service, [OR] does not disclose the author's affiliation."
so an answer that solves the question but which also promotes a product is fine as long as it discloses the affiliation
Yes, that's explicitly listed as fine in the flag FAQ :P
Because those posts don't exist only to promote a product/service - they also answer the question
ngn
ngn
otherwise all mathematica and dyalog answers would be illegal
Arguably, so would any answer that links to TIO :P
for questions, it needs to both not promote and not not disclose affiliation
19:35
*flags all of Adam's answers as spam because he works for Dyalog*
The overriding advice for flagging (given by the Almighty Shog Of 9) is "Use your best judgement"
flags all of Adam's comments just because assumption of affiliation and spam :P
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ngn
ngn
@Dudecoinheringaahing exactly :)
and since you can't not disclose affiliation unless there's some affiliation to disclose (i.e., it exists to promote), it just needs to exist not to promote
loljk
why is it all MY comments are getting starred today, is it just 'cause i'm heckling Adam in a friendly way today? xD
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19:36
Lemme just code a Smoke Detector branch that just flags every post on the network :P
@ThomasWard We mortals use stars as offerings to the mods in order to appease them and keep them from nuking us :P
@AaronMiller IMHO all of Adám's APL answers seriously should specify that he works at Dyalog to promote their products
Clearly all posts on the network exist to promote Stack Exchange, as without them, this network would be nothing :P
Therefore, all posts are spam. QED
@Adám sorry for making fun at your expense a little :)
19:38
lol, the mod that came in here immediately left after looking at the kind of conversation we have :P
just trying to be a friendly annoying person xD
@user not unusual though xD
@pxeger I think specifying it in his profile is fair enough
@Dudecoinheringaahing Time for the entirety of CGCC to ragequit
ngn
ngn
so many users are posting answers only to promote their own golfing languages
It's not like he's hiding that he works for Dyalog, and it's easily findable by anyone who cares to know
19:39
@pxeger I think it's alright as long as he doesn't say something like "Use APL today to make your servers run faster, toughen up your firewalls, and bring a glow to your face!"
@user Honestly, I'm surprised that we have so many mods/CMs who hang out here :P
@Dudecoinheringaahing Dude was awarded the Nobel Prize for Economics for singlehandedly proving the necessity of the destruction of every site with rules against spam on the internet
At one point the other day, we had 8 diamonds: 5 mods (3 CGCC, Thomas and AncientSwordRage) and 3 CMs (Catija, Rosie, Slate) :P
Also the Nobel Peace Prize, because no internet = no cyberbullying/trolls/whatever
^
I'm a visionary :P
19:40
You must become a martyr in the fight against spam, Dude
@Dudecoinheringaahing well it's a fun chat :)
@mods please delete caird's account :P
@ThomasWard waffles
@user wait... matyr?
@user accidentally erases user's account instead oops
It's all good, I have two socks :P
19:41
Y'all, I no longer support nuking the network :P
:facepalm: I did a bunch of stuff in my simple badges userscript to stylize the mod badge and do the spacing and stuff, when I could have just done it the way it's done on the main site: class="mod-flair"
@Dudecoinheringaahing Oh no, she's been brainwashed by the pro-internetivists!
@AaronMiller smort
@AaronMiller heheh, oopsies :)
@user Hey, I have arbitrary internet points here, I don't want my account nuked :P
If my account is nuked, how will I continue to get internet points???
Progress requires sacrifice ;)
You will feel the joy of being a new user gaining privileges again!
19:43
@Dudecoinheringaahing the points don't matter when the Convergence arrives :P
The Convergence? :o
@AaronMiller It also simplifies another part that will let me delete a big chunk of the script
I thought that Zorp the Surveyor was going to cause the apocalyse?
Nah, Zorp's just going to record it to help Borg perfect it next time
ngn
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what if user and mod species converge
19:44
> Zorp the Surveyor is the 28-foot-tall lizard-god savior of the cult known as the Reasonabilists that took over Pawnee, Indiana in the 1970's.
:P
@ngn That'll never happen, as I am the last of my species :P
@Dudecoinheringaahing wut
@ngn eternal badness
> Ethnicity: Lizard
Residence: The Universe
Love the bio :P
@ThomasWard Read that as baldness
Are all mods bald?
some are others aren't
some are grey from the stress of being a mod though
19:48
Oh yeah, here comes Zorp to melt all our faces with his volcano mouth \o/
@Dudecoinheringaahing Whom'st has summoned the almighty one? (Am I too late for this joke?)
Oh are you pxeger?
GREETINGS @ZORPTHESURVEYOR
ALL HAIL ZORP (am I doing this rigt?)
FRICK
19:50
WAIT WHAT
ZORP IS DEAD. LONG LIVE ZORP
I CAN'T BELIEVE I ACTUALLY JUST DID THAT
pxeger has failed today
@user 𝙽𝙾, 𝙸 𝙰𝙼 𝚉𝙾𝚁𝙿 𝚃𝙷𝙴 𝚂𝚄𝚁𝚅𝙴𝚈𝙾𝚁
19:50
PXEGER HAS BECOME ONE WITH ZORP
@ZORPTHESURVEYOR nope, you're pxeger the pretender
:P
𝙽𝙾 𝚁𝙴𝙻𝙰𝚃𝙸𝙾𝙽 𝚃𝙾 𝙰𝙽𝚈 𝙼𝙾𝚁𝚃𝙰𝙻 𝙷𝚄𝙼𝙰𝙽𝚂
@ZORPTHESURVEYOR ALL HAIL YOU
@ZORPTHESURVEYOR So is pxeger an immortal human or a mortal something else?
@pxeger HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF TWO CHAT WINDOWS, ISN'T IT? :P
@user No, I'm a mortal human
19:51
Damnit this is too hard
FAILURE AGAIN
(ok that one was actually deliberate)
Uh-huh
I was just testing you ;)
19:52
it has been IMMORTALIZED
I'm laughing so hard my cat came over to check if I was okay ^_^
@DLosc that's not a bad though though xD
@DLosc 𝚃𝙷𝙴 𝙵𝙴𝙻𝙸𝙽𝙴 𝚄𝙽𝙳𝙴𝚁𝚂𝚃𝙰𝙽𝙳𝚂 𝚉𝙾𝚁𝙿
Uh, people, is this not going a bit far off topic and into nonsense chatter?
@DLosc I guess it was disappionted that it wouldn't get to eat you today :P
19:53
Yeah, we should probably dial it back y'all :P
@Adám yep. we're done :)
BEGONE ZORP
ANYWAYS. I just wanted to stop in and heckle Adam a little we're all good :) returns to the silence
@user That doesn't stop him from trying. In an affectionate sort of way. :P
19:55
@Adám thanks for making me chuckle a little bit earlier though, that little bit of APL looking like it says something else made me smile :)
always a plus.
ATO
ATO
And now I'm back to just your friendly everyday chat "bot"
@Dudecoinheringaahing (you may need to press Ctrl+Shift+R)
You're still ZORP to me :P
Ahem
QMC: Given two non-negative numbers A and B, output A to the power of B. Answers should give 0 when A is 0 and 1 when B is 0. If both A and B are 0, you may output either 0 or 1, your choice.
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19:57
@DLosc Sounds very hard for Quipu
oh it's a QMC, sorry I didn't notice lol
Motivation: There's an example program on Esolangs that claims to do this, but it's broken. Let's replace it with one that works. :D
@DLosc What if A is 0 and B is -1?
Or, indeed, anything < 0
@Adám Fixed. Quipu (at least the reference implementation) doesn't seem to be able to input negative numbers.
19:59
@DLosc What is "QMC"?
Quipu Mini Challenge
Queen's Medical Centre
CMCs but in Quipu
@Adám Quipu Mini Challenge, for the Learn You a Lang for Great Good event
Oh :-(
19:59
Queen Mary's College

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