The Nineteenth Byte

emanresu A

03:01

@BrowncatPrograms Can I take input in uppercase?

Browncat Programs

No

emanresu A

Dammit

I would have 8 bytes

DLosc

Well, I'm off to bed, but I'll leave you all with one more...

QMC: Given a number N, output the factorial of N.

The example on the Esolangs page is definitely more bytes than it needs to be. ;)

emanresu A

Oh well

I still have 9 bytes

@Dudecoinheringaahing You thought you ahd won....

Aaron Miller

03:19

@emanresuA ZvΠ with two equal size lists is essentially the same as *

emanresu A

Oh nice lol

That brings it down to 7

I completely forgot

Big brain moment

Jo King

@DLosc i'm guessing this would probably help with the factorial

DLosc

@JoKing I wrote a factorial solution last night and didn't keep it, but I think I remember counting up rather than down. That's not to say counting down wouldn't be better, potentially...

Aaron Miller

@DLosc is leading newline allowed?

@DLosc Wait I meant to ask ^ for this QMC

DLosc

Sure, I'm more interested in seeing creative approaches than exact output formatting.

As long as there's some non-digit separator between the numbers, it's fine

emanresu A

03:30

One of the problems with suspensions is that you can see that a user has 1 rep, and that's a pretty obvious red flag that that user is suspended.

Browncat Programs

As well as the fact that it says they're suspended :p

Aaron Miller

shouldn't ?? be an infinite loop?

Instead I have to do

0&
??

emanresu A

@BrowncatPrograms But looking at one of tehir posts...

Razetime

i missed the quipu event due to 3am

how fun is the language

exedraj

@Razetime that's the neat part, it's still going

the whole point is that it's a 24 hour event

Jo King

03:39

pretty fun, only a little frustrating

Razetime

oh, cool

exedraj

@Razetime too complex for my smol brain to understand

which means it's probably pretty good

Razetime

any quipu experts here yet

exedraj

dlosc

Razetime

anyone got a link to the impl

h

exedraj

03:40

gist.github.com/ysthakur/aaba03772f92b74c30488dda68208f2e

Aaron Miller

There's a link in the LYAL pinned comment

ninja'd

exedraj

@Razetime h

Aaron Miller

That's like my fifth ninja today :/

DLosc

@AaronMiller Yeah, that's a little odd. Looks like some kind of parser error.

Razetime

ok time to read wiki article

exedraj

03:41

@AaronMiller what can i say, i'm speedy flowr and ur plate

Aaron Miller

@exedraj is tru

emanresu A

@exedraj Actually beating Retina now

exedraj

@emanresuA i done did saw that

very cool

Razetime

a quipu visualizer would be quite epic

DLosc

@Razetime Well, Quipu is included in the Esoteric IDE. I haven't downloaded it to try it, but it's made by the same person who made the Hexagony visualizer, so it's very possible the Quipu interpreter has some nice features.

Razetime

03:45

oh, Timwi made quipu visualizerr?

I'm on windows so it should work

DLosc

I've got to go, but I'm interested in hearing about what you find. :)

\o

Jo King

it requires spaces between threads and basically debugs the position of the pointer + the thread values

it also displays the values of the current thread as a stack, but this is kinda weird since it isn't really treated as a stack?

Razetime

esoteric ide implementation might be broken

the "print numbers from 0-99" script doesn't work on the IDE

but it works fine in the scala version

the termination condition seems to be going to a non-existign thread

Jo King

04:00

i think that's on purpose, just that EsotericIDE errors even if it doesn't jump

i don't know why though, since 0& << makes more sense than 3& == 0& ??

PyGamer0

04:17

so in quipu; execution happens from top to bottom?

and it loops to the beginning?

Jo King

when it reaches the end of a thread it goes to the top of the next one

Aaron Miller

In order to help stoke interest in Quipu while there aren't any new QMCs, I'm going to try solving some challenges and posting the byte count for anyone who wants to try to tie/beat it

I found an 18 byte Quipu solution to "Lolololololololololololol"

Jo King

04:33

i got 18 too

Aaron Miller

noice

Quipu is pretty fun to work with

PyGamer0

@JoKing at the end of the threads does it go to the first thread?

Jo King

no, it terminates

exedraj

@AaronMiller I have pink plate picture ready

Do you want to see

Aaron Miller

ye

exedraj

04:43

Aaron Miller

beautiful

PyGamer0

its just a circle

Aaron Miller

a pink circle

exedraj

hey aaron are you fine with me showing a video of you being cleaned?

4

PyGamer0

@exedraj uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

oh yeah the plate

Aaron Miller

04:50

@exedraj sure, why not? I've been asked stranger questions :P

exedraj

just gotta wait for it to finish uploading

man I'm really on a roll with quality content lately

google doodle fcs, soup falling over in slow motion

and now plate cleaning

there's no stopping me

Razetime

I have had zero motivation for quality content lately 😭

exedraj

here it is:

The weirdest video I've ever made

►

2

Razetime

aussie man gently scrubs homie with utmost care(no homo)

Aaron Miller

@exedraj #me_irl

exedraj

04:57

did you enjoy the cleaning?

Aaron Miller

It was quite pleasant

exedraj

PyGamer0

> How do you get the JetBrains Mono font in Vscode?

whY!

Razetime

what?

what do you mean pygamer

PyGamer0

@Razetime like everyone asks the same thing for: How do I (install|use) (colorscheme|font) in VSCode?

Razetime

05:12

why shouldn't they?

PyGamer0

@Razetime well i assume everyone knows vscode has a marketplace

Razetime

assuming is very bad when you hear a question

there are many, many people new to text editors

PyGamer0

ooof

Razetime

when you hear such a question you can a) ignore it or b) patiently explain.

PyGamer0

it also shows that people use google a lot

Aaron Miller

05:14

@Razetime What's a text editor? I just use butterflies, and I've never needed to change the font for that.

PyGamer0

@AaronMiller oh cool

wait a second

Razetime

ah, yes M-x butterfly is what i use as well on emacs

PyGamer0

what is M-x

alt+x?

Razetime

it's a secret

PyGamer0

ah its the extended execute command

that maybe has butterflies mode

whats the next lang for LYXAL?

Bubbler

05:18

Butterflyxal

Razetime

flexedraj

Aaron Miller

@DLosc I've got 68 bytes, but I won't post it yet in case anyone else is still solving it.

Now I can finally go to sleep :)

Adám

05:51

CSS golfing features are coming!

exedraj

this could simplify byte shaving grinders

Bubbler

Trying to efficiently interpret untyped lambda calculus led me to the entire history of functional language compilers. It's crazy deep rabbit hole

Also I'm reviving this

emanresu A

06:06

Hi

@exedraj Amazing

@Adám Not what I expected - like scss but worse.

PyGamer0

07:16

is cat week over?

i think it is

Niko

i think so

exedraj

It has been for a while

Get with the times

Heck, we're even planning dish and cup week

That way, everyone can live in my cupboard and drawers

PyGamer0

@exedraj i am not going to change my pfp

hyper-neutrino

your pfp is already a square plate

PyGamer0

@hyper-neutrino but @exedraj doesnt have the plate

emanresu A

07:29

I am plate

Pixel plate

But plate

Dude coinheringaahing

07:40

@exedraj That might be the weirdest video I've ever watched :P

Dude coinheringaahing

08:05

@emanresuA Tbh, 8 bytes in Jelly in a string parsing challenge, I'm happy with that :P

emanresu A

@Dudecoinheringaahing Do you not have regex split?

Dude coinheringaahing

Jelly? Regex? :P

There's been an open PR for regex atoms in Jelly since 2017

emanresu A

Lol

Bubbler

CMQ: How many golflangs have a compression scheme for regexes?

pxeger

none specifically for regexes that I know of

Dude coinheringaahing

08:20

Do any?

Bubbler

I know Japt has a relatively basic one

pxeger

you could have some kind of system to compress under the assumption that the string is a syntactically valid regex

Dude coinheringaahing

There are a few that extend their regex engines with character classes, and that have single character aliases for common things, but I wouldn't really call that compression

Lynn's suggestion for regex syntax in Jelly looks the closest to regex compression that I've seen, and that's mostly because of the macros suggested

Wait, no, doesn't V have regex compression?

pxeger

it has as few basic "shortcuts": github.com/DJMcMayhem/V/wiki/Regexes#shortcuts

Bubbler

That counts for my CMQ

I can totally imagine one-char character classes and backrefs using all the SBCS chars available, or even a Godel-numbering-to-bijective-base stuff. I'd be actually surprised if no one has done this yet

PyGamer0

08:29

when you learn basics of any programming language in school: MATH

Razetime

math is a very good foundation for programming

PyGamer0

like min(2,3)

Razetime

@Bubbler Japt, V, Stax(via string compression), pyth(via packed pyth)

V is the most prominent example of compressed regex

pxeger

08:52

huh, ophact seems to have deleted their account

emanresu A

Yes

pxeger

know why?

emanresu A

They wanted to start again, according to a deleted answer to a semirecent challenge that I can't remember.

Their new username was something like 'yckul'.

Anush

is there a general way to translate python code with walrus operators to python code that doesn't use them?

rak1507

not that I know of, would probably be a pain

Anush

09:04

:(

rak1507

especially for things like while (foo := bar)

has to translate to foo=bar; while foo; ... ; foo=bar

Anush

I am trying to understand bpa.st/D2EA

which is slightly beyond me currently

rak1507

it's not the clearest code in the world lol

Anush

I need to get rid of the lambda expressions and reduce and := :)

rak1507

what does it do

@Anush why

Anush

09:06

it says if the levenshtein distance between two strings is exactly 2

rak1507

ah

Anush

@rak1507 to understand it

rak1507

I doubt that will help

Anush

if it was done with loops I think it might be clearer

I know how it is doing it in theory

but I can't understand the code

rak1507

should be easy to translate, lambdas are just functions, := is just assignment, reduce is a for loop and updating a variable

Dude coinheringaahing

09:10

@PyGamer0 Programming is just fancy math :P

Anush

@rak1507 that sounds promising

@Dudecoinheringaahing math is just terrible programming :)

Dude coinheringaahing

No, you've got it the wrong way around :P

Anush

:)

Dude coinheringaahing

Programming is an imperfect and flawed approach to the beauty and perfection that is math :P

rak1507

tio.run/… @Anush

pxeger

09:17

ato.pxeger.com/…

Dude coinheringaahing

09:43

Is this the vyxal rewrite? If so, do you want me to move this to the Vyxal room?

emanresu A

Sure

Dude coinheringaahing

→ status-completed 13 messages moved to Vyxal

Shaggy

@Bubbler Sorta, kinda! While Japt does implement RegExes as strings in v1.x; rarely are you going to have a sequence of lowercase letters in an efficient RegEx and even if you do then chances are Shoco's not going to be able to compress it all that well.

pxeger

10:26

CMC: given two integers x, n and a list of length 0 <= l < n, pad the list to length n with copies of x. E.g. n=4, x=0, list=[1, 2] -> [1, 2, 0, 0]

Dude coinheringaahing

@pxeger Jelly, 4 bytes x/ṛ"

Shaggy

@pxeger Japt, 5 bytes: @V}hW

New Posts

11:20

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Q: The Most Palindromy Code to Calculate Palindromy Numbers

The string abaaba Is a palindrome, meaning it doesn't change when it's reversed. However we can split it in half to make two palindromes aba aba We could also split it up this way: a baab a And all three of those are palindromes. In fact there are only two ways to split the string into smalle...

Anush

@rak1507 wow! Thank you

Dude coinheringaahing

@NewPosts Hmm, to post a base line answer or to not post a base line answer, that is the question :P

Anush

@pxeger thank you!

Dude coinheringaahing

11:41

@Dudecoinheringaahing Welp, apparently it isn't that much of a baseline (at least, all my modifications in an attempt to improve the score fail), so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wheat Wizard

I think the best thing you can do is to just try and use as few distinct characters as possible.

pxeger

the source-layout / scoring doesn't seem like a very interesting challenge tbqh

Wheat Wizard

There are some other more complicated strategies.

emanresu A

My score is probably impossible to calculate

It's somewhere around 28!

Dude coinheringaahing

I think there's a way to write any Jelly program using 3 or 4 distinct characters, but I don't really want to go digging for that :P

Wheat Wizard

11:44

For example oooooooooooooooooooooopsxvg scores 5 and adding more os to the front doesn't actually increase the score.

emanresu A

Vyxal doesn't have partitions of strings :(

So I spent 16 bytes impleemnting that

Dude coinheringaahing

That only works if you add them to a contiguous area tho (e.g. adding to the end would increase the score). I can replace the § in mine with S€ (so the total number of distinct characters is the same), but it still increases the score

I'd be interested to see any answers for which the scoring actually plays a factor tbh

Wheat Wizard

Or just close enough aba is better than abc as a substring generally.

emanresu A

'nghith

Wheat Wizard

I think part of the reason it might not be super interesting is because you are using golfing languages which have an extreme diversity of symbols. I did it in Haskell, and while I didn't score as well anyway there was a lot I could do to bring down my score.

I also think that it might more viable to start with a low scoring pattern like the one I showed earlier and code around it rather than starting with a working solution and trying to improve it.

New Posts

12:13

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Q: Counting and so on

Content You count numbers every day (I think), and most of you know how to count properly, the one next to 1 is 2, and the next is 3, so go on, no matter what number you receive, you can easily know what next number is. Anyway, the program doesn't know, they are incredibly stupid, if I make a pro...

code-generation

exedraj

Thank you 05AB1E for not providing vectorising equality. Very cool.

Try it online!

Correction: thank you 05AB1E for not providing element-wise vectorising equality. Very cool.

Especially cool when ‹ and › (lt and gt) vectorise element-wise but not Q (eq)

so instead, you need to do ζ€.«Q

extra cool

not.

Aaron Miller

@DLosc Now that I sleep've and quite literally dreamed up a 7 byte golf, here's my 61 byte Quipu factorial program:

\/1&1&2&
1&++[][]
++0&**/\
  []1&
  %%>>
  3&1&
  ==##
    ??

exedraj

@AaronMiller sleep've

sleep have

at least make sense with your apostrophes

Aaron Miller

12:29

Yes, I sleep have

Adám

CMC: Given a positive integer, determine if its hexadecimal representation is a valid JSON number (i.e. consists entirely of digits and the letter E/e). Examples: 999 → yes (1E8), 762 → no (2FA)

Aaron Miller

TIL JSON doesn't support 2FA

exedraj

not very secure then innit

switch to yaml

@Adám 999 in hex is actually 3E7

Adám

Oops, typo.

exedraj

also,

@Adám Vyxal, 6 bytes: k^τ:E=

returns 1 if no, 0 if yes

k^τ:E≠ if you want yes and no to be 1 and 0 respectively

Try it Online!

pxeger

12:37

@Adám but maximum of only one E, right?

and the E can't be at the start or end

exedraj

@exedraj That is, convert the input to hex (k^τ - I honestly don't know why we don't have a to hex element...), duplicate it (:) and see if it is not equal to itself when evaluated as python (E≠)

Adám

@pxeger Yes, of course.

Niko

python 3, 57 chars
a=input()
print(any([i in hex(int(a))for i in'abcdf'])^1)

i am bad still :(

Dude coinheringaahing

12:53

@NewPosts @Niko This isn't clear enough IMO. "resembles" in particular, I'd suggest emphasising the exact rules for what "resembles" means (the widening or extending). Also, I'd suggest clarifying the winning criteria a bit, as it took me a few reads to understand that it's the highest number before the chain breaks

Any reason why you didn't use the Sandbox?

exedraj

@Dudecoinheringaahing it was in the sandbox though

Niko

@Dudecoinheringaahing It was in the sandbox for over 2 weeks

Dude coinheringaahing

Ah, my bad

Niko

@Dudecoinheringaahing thx for suggestion tho, I will try to edit

Adám

13:13

Someone with good graphics skills should make strips for all our crazy languages based on this:

E.g. for APL:

> You have APL
You rescue all the pricesses from all the castles
Then you filter out all the princesses you don't need

3

The picture should have the knight mounted backwards on the horse.

exedraj

@Adám Jelly: You have Jelly / You spend hours placing quicks and chain separators in the right spots / You get to the castle, but caird, unrelated string, hyper and bubbler have already rescued the princess 4 different times

7

rak1507

lol

~~insert vyxal flag joke here~~

pxeger

Vyxal: You have Vyxal / You charge in on your battle horse with loads of flags, / but the guards see you coming because of the bright flags flapping in the breeze and chase you away

exedraj

@pxeger I would more think it would be "But everyone criticises you while saving the princess so you don't bother"

pxeger

Prolog: You have Prolog / You go to the castle / The princess somehow rescues you

exedraj

13:27

Brainfrick: You have brainfrick / brainfrick / ...frick...

Niko

@exedraj literal hell

Aaron Miller

You have Vyxal / You make an elegant program that almost rescues the princess / You add flags until she magically appears in front of you

exedraj

well I think I'm done for today

I'm a bit of a bicycle right now

two-tired to continue being awake

Aaron Miller

lol

exedraj

o/

Aaron Miller

13:29

\o

pxeger

Haskell: You have Haskell / You go to the castle and are about to rescue the princess / The princess tells you to "avoid success at all costs" and shoos you away

rak1507

@pxeger lol

Browncat Programs

@exedraj This is so cool

Finally W3 grows a brain

Replied to the wrong person >:|

@exedraj ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H

Niko

I am finally about to get 1k rep lol

thinking about deleting my account for celebration

pxeger

not another regular account deleter

Niko

13:36

:P

PyGamer0

CMQ: How many account deleters do you know?

the one who deletes their accounts for no reason

Niko

0 apparently

Browncat Programs

Not sure because they keep deleting their accounts

pxeger

^ exactly lmao

Niko

If i delete my acc, i will be the first deleter i know

PyGamer0

13:39

2x-1?

Niko

so I presume 0, i think, atleast for now

PyGamer0

2x+1?

pxeger

ais253 (?)

PyGamer0

2a²%2³²+2p~243l*9?

New Posts

0

Q: Generate all \$n\times n\$ magic squares

Though challenges involving magic squares abound on this site, none I can find so far ask the golfer to print / output all normal magic squares of a certain size. To be clear, a normal magic square of order \$n\$ is: An \$n\times n\$ array of numbers. Each positive integer up to and including \$...

code-golf math

Adám

13:48

@pxeger More like: You have Prolog / You declare the princess as rescued / Prolog somehow figures out how to rescue the princess for you

pxeger

@Adám well really I just came up with the "the princess rescues you" joke and tried to retrofit a language that would make it work lol

Taco タコス

14:06

I'd like to create a golf challenge, but I'm wondering what others think before I post it in the sandbox. I'll type the idea up in my next message

Dude coinheringaahing

Brainflak: You have brainflak
You push a bunch of numbers to the stack
Somehow, you end up with a princess and a bunch of brackets

@Adám What about the sequel?

Taco タコス

Actually, disregard for the moment

I need to figure out something first :)

Aaron Miller

@Tacoタコス That's a great challenge idea! :P

Taco タコス

I can say the synopsis is: given two numeric values x and y determine the power p that x would need to be raised to in order to equate to the value of y.

However, I need to come up with some alternatives to brute forcing examples because that takes forever

So off to Math SE I go

@AaronMiller Thanks, thought on it for about 10 minutes lol

Dude coinheringaahing

→ Pour the batter into the cake pan then put in The Nineteenth Oven for 45 minutes at 350°F

Slate

14:24

@Dudecoinheringaahing I'll put in a good chirp. Can't guarantee HR will understand what it means, though.

Dude coinheringaahing

@Slate Are there no birds working in HR? Shameful lack of workplace diversity there :P

Aaron Miller

@Dudecoinheringaahing Well, it is Human Resources...

lol I'm the top reviewer in the First Questions queue. That probably won't last long :P

Dude coinheringaahing

You've done 50% of the FQ reviews :P

pxeger

@Dudecoinheringaahing you should try to write a whole usable recipe over the course of these messages

@Tacoタコス you mean, a logarithm?

Dude coinheringaahing

> try

I have been doing that :P

Although I think I've messed up, so I might give it a proper try once I've finished cooking this one :P

Aaron Miller

14:39

You should use Chef's Hello, World! recipe next time

Dude coinheringaahing

Aug 23 at 10:35, by Dude coinheringaahing

→ 100g of butter added to the mixing bowl, mix with flour

yesterday, by Dude coinheringaahing

→ 1 cup of sugar added to the mixing bowl, blend with the milk, flour and butter

19 mins ago, by Dude coinheringaahing

→ Pour the batter into the cake pan then put in The Nineteenth Oven for 45 minutes at 350°F

pxeger

you didn't preheat the oven!

@Dudecoinheringaahing what milk? this isn't a very good recipe!

@Dudecoinheringaahing how much flour?

Dude coinheringaahing

Yeah, I know :P

I should post this over on Seasoned Advice and ask how to salvage it :P

Aaron Miller

lol do it but don't explain the context

pxeger

@exedraj a new challenger approaches

Dude coinheringaahing

14:44

I have been watching a lot of Without a Recipe recently, so bad cooking is fairly normal for me rn :P

Then again, my general approach to cooking is to throw everything into a bowl or pan, mix it all together and add heat :P

Taco タコス

@pxeger Is that what it would be? lol

I'm not well versed in the world of mathematics

Dude coinheringaahing

@Tacoタコス For example, given x = 2, y = 8, the output would be p = 3?

Taco タコス

@Dudecoinheringaahing Exactly, but, with what @pxeger pointed out; it turns out to be much easier than I thought, though it could be interesting to restrict the methods that can be utilized to reach the answer.

For example of simplicity, in C# the answer is simply Math.Log(3, 2)

I really need to get more education in mathematics lol

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