The Nineteenth Byte

Razetime

17:01

@chunes rosettacode.org/wiki/User:Chunes this you?

Anush

hi @WheatWizard

Adám

@Dudecoinheringaahing Added.

pxeger

@Adám but this one was announced in advance (although they ignored most of the feedback)

Dude coinheringaahing

@Adám I don't think this one applies - they specifically did get feedback about it: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/368661/…

Also, in case y'all missed it: Please welcome 2 new CMs: V2Blast & SpencerG

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Aaron Miller

CMP: Which of these are better:

Dude coinheringaahing

17:08

@AaronMiller This one

Aaron Miller

@Dudecoinheringaahing I'm inclined to agree

John Dvorak

the former

the default.

the first one (because the diamond has the same color as the link and because it has always been like this)

Adám

@AaronMiller Definitely. I always saw the diamond as an extension of the name.

MM should make announcement into a base tag. I find it offensive when they label the announcement of (bad) features discussion.

Dude coinheringaahing

There is also product-discovery that should probably be used on a lot of announcement posts

Adám

17:14

⍨

Is it just me or did all spacing just disappear between user names and [Staff] badges?

Dude coinheringaahing

Yeah, it's been reported as a bug: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/369280/…

Adám

Oh.

Dude coinheringaahing

It's not just with the staff badges, it's all spacing after the username in comments

ngn

can't they get a decent web designer to do it properly and be done with this bikeshedding

Adám

Or they could, y'know, ask on UX.SE…

Dude coinheringaahing

17:18

@ngn "it" being the profile page or the comment spacing?

Adám

All of SE design.

Dude coinheringaahing

Cause the latter seems like just a normal bug that comes with, y'know, development

Adám

How could they not spot it in their staging area?

the default.

it also goes away with looking at the page after making a style change

Aaron Miller

@Adám lol it happened while I was messing with my userscript so I figured it was just something on my end

ngn

17:20

@Dudecoinheringaahing in this particular case usernames and diamonds, but i guess it applies to the whole design

Dude coinheringaahing

@Adám ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Take a look at the bug tag on MSE, like 90% of them are bugs that slipped under the radar that got fixed pretty quickly

Browncat Programs

Why did Java have to make ArrayList so cursed

Even the name is cursed

the default.

doesn't sound as bad as C#'s ArrayList

Adám

@ThomasWard What happened to your eyes‽

ngn

@BrowncatPrograms somebody somewhere 20y ago had no skills but wanted to be creative and the rest is backwards compatibility

Browncat Programs

17:25

Well, it's no match for my new ArrayListIteratorGeneratorTupleGroupCollectionSet

Dude coinheringaahing

I'm disappointed that ArrayList isn't a list of arrays :/

(I have no idea if that's true or not, I'm just assuming that nothing in Java is named in the way that makes the most sense)

Newly Featured Posts

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Q: Code golf edit distance up to 3

The edit distance between two strings is the minimum number of single character insertions, deletions and substitutions needed to transform one string into the other. This task is simply to write code that determines if two strings have edit distance at most 3 from each other. The twist is that ...

Wheat Wizard

@Anush Hello, Anush.

Dude coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ

Bounties questions can't be closed

hyper-neutrino

yeah

of course, I can (or at least there's a close button), but I'm not going to at least until I actually understand what the question and its potential dupe target are about lol

Dude coinheringaahing

17:31

> I've closed this as a duplicate of Code golf edit distance 2, because, as noted by WW and tsh, their answers can easily be generalised to cover this challenge as well

What I was about to comment before realising I can't close it :/

@hyper-neutrino There's a close button for me as well, but if I click it, it says "This question has an open bounty and can't be closed"

hyper-neutrino

huh. well maybe that would show up for me too

i can always cancel the bounty but that leads to other considerations

wait since when was V2Blast a CM

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino About 4 hours ago (see the pins) :P

hyper-neutrino

nice :P

also that's a lot of pins

Dude coinheringaahing

Yeah, I might unpin the TNB wikia... :/

Wheat Wizard

@hyper-neutrino We can close it. We can also refund bounties and then close it.

Browncat Programs

17:48

@Dudecoinheringaahing The maintenance doesn't need to be pinned imo

I think we should let the wiki one live for now

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms I would've agreed while it was featured, but currently there's no notice of it on main, only here in chat

Speaking of featured, the Ads are still featured for me :/

Browncat Programs

Hmm, if we all live until we're 110 or so we'll be able to see the 69th president of the US

Dude coinheringaahing

That's assuming they all serve 4 years terms, right?

Browncat Programs

Oh yeah :(

~~I guess we need to ensure most of the presidents don't last that long~~

Dude coinheringaahing

I think there are ~20 people in the line of succession, if you slowly work your way down that list, you can get 20 presidents in 4 years :P

And by "work your way down", I obviously mean "convince them to become president, then retire their post", nothing else :P

tjjfvi

18:29

@Dudecoinheringaahing Doesn't the line of succession self-repair? Like, if the President is incapacitated, the Vice President becomes President, and chooses a new Vice President.

pxeger

18:40

@AaronMiller this one

Why These Words are Illegal

►

Dude coinheringaahing

@tjjfvi Yeah, but those appointments have to be approved by the Senate, and we all know how slow that is :P

Dude coinheringaahing

19:04

@Adám This is how:

> The issue was that two developers touched the same area in same file, but in slightly different ways that didn't conflict with each other. Both PRs merged "cleanly" without conflicts, but a visual bug was introduced with both sets of changes present.

Adám

Ah.

Aaron Miller

19:18

@pxeger I think you just chose that because you enjoy being ~~wrong~~ different from everyone else.

ngn

19:32

@BrowncatPrograms if the world keeps going where it's going, that's more likely to be the 69th governor of the chinese province of north america :)

Browncat Programs

19:50

Very satisfying line lengths

top.textContent = rows.slice(0, cursor[0]).join("\n");
side.textContent = rows[cursor[0]].slice(0, cursor[1]);
right.textContent = rows[cursor[0]].slice(cursor[1] + 1);
bottom.textContent = rows.slice(cursor[0] + 1).join("\n");

Dude coinheringaahing

No, lines 3 and 4 are one character too long :(

Browncat Programs

Aw :(

Dude coinheringaahing

top.textContent = rows.slice(0, cursor[0]).join("\n");
side.textContent = rows[cursor[0]].slice(0, cursor[1]);
right.textContent = rows[cursor[0]].slice(-~ cursor[1]);
bottom.textContent = rows.slice(-~ cursor[0]).join("\n");

Would be better :P

Browncat Programs

Or just + 1 -> +1 :p

Dude coinheringaahing

Nah, that's far too readable :P

Browncat Programs

19:54

Or replace the [0]s in the first two with +0s :p

Or -0s if you want to confuse people :p

ngn

after all these years of golfing, it's the ungolfed code that looks unreadable to me

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms ++?

Dude coinheringaahing

That modifies the value tho

pxeger

but then it will at least look like it wasn't lain out to align the lines

Browncat Programs

But it'd be too short without weird spacing

Dude coinheringaahing

19:55

You'd still need the space tho

You might as well use the -~ trick :P

pxeger

oh lol

I'm half asleep, leave me alone

Thomas Ward

20:13

@Adám you ask that every time lol

Adám

Your old pfp seems to have been… uh… seared… into my… uh… eyes.

Dude coinheringaahing

Jan 14 '19 at 14:48, by Adám

@ThomasWard What happened to your eyes?

:P

Adám

Just being myself, I guess.

Dude coinheringaahing

Thomas' lazer eyes were just too iconic, that's all :P

Adám

Yup.

New Posts

20:19

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Q: How many iterations to reach the sequence?

Let's define a function \$f\$ which, given a positive integer \$x\$, returns the sum of: \$x\$ the smallest digit in the decimal representation of \$x\$ the highest digit in the decimal representation of \$x\$ (which may be the same as the smallest one) For instance: \$f(1)=1+1+1=3\$ \$f(135)=...

code-golf number-theory

Dude coinheringaahing

20:45

@NewPosts Jelly needs support for infinite lists

emanresu A

Vyxal has support for infinite lists ;)

And I've got 11 bytes in Vyxal to generate one.

Because it's digit-based, I doubt there's a mathematical solution

Dude coinheringaahing

Digits still have mathematical basis :P

hyper-neutrino

@emanresuA that is, the 1% of the time it actually works

emanresu A

But as in, I doubt there's a simple formula

Dude coinheringaahing

For example, you can limit it \$x+1 \le f(x) \le x+18\$, but I don't know how to use that :/

emanresu A

20:49

@hyper-neutrino I think it's working

Browncat Programs

I've golfed 11 bytes off my JS answer so far lol

Lots of very annoying boolean stuff

emanresu A

of course you've already got a JS answer

Browncat Programs

For about 16 minutes, yeah :p

17 bytes now :p

emanresu A

If you post I can try golfing

I've kinda given up on a Vyxal answer

Dude coinheringaahing

He has posted :P

Browncat Programs

20:56

I posted it more than 20m ago :p

emanresu A

Uh, TIO?

Browncat Programs

Can't TIO from school

emanresu A

I can edit in a TIO if you want

Browncat Programs

Sure, go ahead

Thanks!

Dude coinheringaahing

Does TIO have an ES6 Javascript?

emanresu A

20:58

V8 is pretty much the ame thing

Browncat Programs

I golfed it

Sorry :p

Aaron Miller

@Dudecoinheringaahing I updated my simple badges userscript, so now you can do either the hexagon or the SO logo, since I couldn't decide which one I liked better.

Dude coinheringaahing

@AaronMiller Do you have a link?

emanresu A

@BrowncatPrograms How do you have 86 bytes? That's 101, if I'm not miistaken.

Dude coinheringaahing

21:28

bug If your rep changes thing in the top bar exceeds +9999, it starts to overflow with the inbox:

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:P

emanresu A

Lol

Neil

21:49

@Dudecoinheringaahing how were you able to abbreviate "stimulated" to "z"?

Dude coinheringaahing

ztimulated :P

emanresu A

Thiz iz kinda zuz.

Aaron Miller

22:09

@Dudecoinheringaahing github.com/AMiller42/Userscripts/blob/main/…

Dude coinheringaahing

Here I go installing userscripts again :P

(currently have 27 on my Tampermonkey dashboard :P)

emanresu A

@AaronMiller I am a plate now

Aaron Miller

Welcome, brother.

we am plat

5

emanresu A

we am plat

5

Dude coinheringaahing

we am not plat :P

Aaron Miller

22:15

sadge

emanresu A

bad

Dude coinheringaahing

@AaronMiller Is there a way to scale down the SO logo? It looks very big compared to the diamond

Aaron Miller

@Dudecoinheringaahing Presumably, but I’m on mobile right now so I’ll have to do it later

DLosc

@emanresuA Huh, so after cat week and dog week now we're having dish week?

emanresu A

Presumably

DLosc

22:23

That's going to be tough for me. The comics I read don't have a lot of inanimate objects as characters...

Dude coinheringaahing

Lyxal might need to give us a tour of his crockery cupboard so we have some pfps to choose from :P

Dude coinheringaahing

22:39

CMC: The Conway-Guy sequence. a(n + 1) = 2a(n) - a(n - floor( 1/2 + sqrt(2n) )), a(0) = 0, a(1) = 1

Also, did we decide on a language for LYAL?

emanresu A

Nein

Dude coinheringaahing

I think Quipu was being discussed, but there wasn't really a decision on that being LYAL

emanresu A

Also LoTM is going to be jq, but no one here knows how to use it :p

Dude coinheringaahing

Did Wezl delete their account?

Or was jq nominated by someone else? I thought it was Wezl

rak1507

codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/90614/wezl still exists

Browncat Programs

22:43

It was probably 2x-1

emanresu A

No

Wheat Wizard

All we need is for 3 people to upvote lean and then we won't have to worry about it until next month.

emanresu A

@BrowncatPrograms Also no - user99044 vs user99151

Thomas Ward

yawns

emanresu A

@WheatWizard Why 3? It's on 4, jq has 9 votes

Wheat Wizard

22:46

It's on 6?

Dude coinheringaahing

I'm willing to create the LOTM post for jq, worst case scenario is that no one uses it

emanresu A

Hm

Thomas Ward

@WheatWizard 7*

DLosc

Re: LYAL, I'm up for any language. If y'all want me to share what I learned about Quipu in the 2 hours I spent on it last night, I'm happy to do so. (I think I understand 80-90% of the language now.) I'll just mention that I'm only available for LYALs that start at 0:00 GMT (i.e. this one and every other after that).

emanresu A

No one knows how to use Lean either :p

Wheat Wizard

22:48

I started learning lean 3 days ago.

emanresu A

Oh

Wheat Wizard

I'm going to be using it next month regardless.

Dude coinheringaahing

@DLosc The current format of LYALs is that they'll take place over the whole day, so that everyone has the chance to take part

emanresu A

I'd prefer Add++ :p

Dude coinheringaahing

CMQ: For the next hour (and a bit), feel free to suggest a language for LYAL. Current front runner is Quipu, check out this question for some of the other nominees

emanresu A

22:50

Also if @BrowncatPrograms undeletes the nomination for Plumber, it'll autowin.

Dude coinheringaahing

(I'll unpin that when LYAL starts)

Wheat Wizard

When does LYAL start?

DLosc

A bit over an hour, no?

Wheat Wizard

I thought it was UTC 0.

Dude coinheringaahing

0 UTC, then continues for the rest of the day

Wheat Wizard

22:51

Wasn't UTC 0 2 hours ago?

Dude coinheringaahing

No

It's 22:51 UTC atm

Wheat Wizard

Is UTC different from GMT?

Dude coinheringaahing

Don't think so, but Britain's currently on summer time (UTC+1)

Wheat Wizard

This doesn't make sense to me at all.

Aparently I need to go to sleep.

Dude coinheringaahing

> Although GMT and UTC share the same current time in practice, but GMT is a time zone and UTC is a time standard.

DLosc

22:53

@Dudecoinheringaahing Ohh, meaning they all start at 0:00 GMT now? I see. I thought it was 24 hours but sometimes starting at 12:00 GMT.

Dude coinheringaahing

Source

DLosc

s/GMT/UTC/g in all my comments

Dude coinheringaahing

@DLosc Yeah, I figured that starting at 0:00 UTC just works easier, and it still covers 24 hours so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wheat Wizard

For some reason I thought I was in UTC-2. But I'm in UTC+2.

Dude coinheringaahing

Well, programmers are famously bad with timezones :P

Wheat Wizard

22:55

Either that or I subtracted wrong.

DLosc

@WheatWizard You probably should go to sleep, then :P

@Dudecoinheringaahing Works for me

Wheat Wizard

CET is objectively the best time zone. Since 0 (midnight) happens around the middle of the night and 12 (midday) happens around the middle of the day. It just works out perfectly.

emanresu A

I accidentally recreated Italy

Dude coinheringaahing

@WheatWizard Doesn't "middle of the night" (and "middle of the day") change throughout the year?

Wheat Wizard

Yes. However you kind of have to deal with that.

Of all the timezones CET is the closest.

Dude coinheringaahing

22:59

I live in UTC+1, but my sleep schedule fits UTC-4 closer :P

exedraj

uh oh

we're learning recursion today in data structures

Dude coinheringaahing

@exedraj But first, you need to learn about recursion

2

exedraj

inb4 infinite loop saying "uh oh, we're learning recursion today in data structures inb4 infinite loop saying "uh oh, we're learning recursion today in data structures inb4 infinite loop saying "uh oh, we're learning recursion today in data structures ...

@DLosc it should probably be dish and cup week

because I only have those coloured plates

but I have quite a few interesting tea cups/coffee mugs

DLosc

@exedraj Hmm... possibly...

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing It's a list that's backed by an array, makes sense to me

Although yeah, the name could be interpreted that way too

Aaron Miller

23:09

@exedraj pics of pink and gray plates?

exedraj

a bit later

I'm doing zoomies rn

Aaron Miller

fair enough

exedraj

obviously code golf and zoomies is fine tho

user

Read that as zombies

Dude coinheringaahing

@exedraj ...are you a dog?

Aaron Miller

23:11

@WheatWizard ~~time to commit sock abuse~~

Dude coinheringaahing

Cause this is what I think of when you say "zoomies" :P

exedraj

emanresu A

When you write a program to do your music homework -
https://tio.run/##XVJhb4IwEP3ur7hlmaWREeGji1t0KtlvYCQiFofBlkAxJHO/nd0d6Mwgafrete@99npMzkmdVnlpn7XZq67LGp3a3Gio06RQzjkpGiXhe1QoC9pYVcMcIvEuXBwehStWOxHjSHhFeM14jbMNcRviQuZCwiHhBeMF4QXhJeOliNkl1/s87X0CN3B9N@Dfj28ZsMS5oumwo86KxHJgLDlOv2YOGAHGY3joF/uxhMsFnCui0m1Oq3cCpIQ38GEGUxY2jS0bi5pCuJRLtTjnW/AyhB/EOMi9QksKrEYeLSb7R/h/hHwZZaZyaqtKMNn1vHTJgN/gORmMIraNo3vgFUof7BcJBnSK@/MP8WOYgADBin1wFCTHO@ZpDn4w@mGmUrap9M28D4q1LjW6NoXyCnNwuO/UR@otdY3bTd2PvVNS8k20bHxKjqbqn9AM4WR4Ta2U3tHkevupt7L7BQ

rak1507

doesn't work for G double sharp major, disappointing

exedraj

Browncat Programs

23:25

@emanresuA I'm saving that for when I get the motivation to figure out how the frick plumber works so I can fix the interpreter :p

exedraj

one of these days, I'm changing my zoom display name to "Zoom" and request access to the lecturer's screen

emanresu A

@rak1507 It's not that complicated

New Posts

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Q: Distinct Subset Sums: Extending A276661

Consider the integer set \$S = \{3, 5, 6, 7\}\$. If we list all \$2^n\$ subsets of \$S\$ (its powerset) and calculate their sums, we get $$ \mathcal{P}(S) = \{\emptyset, \{3\}, \{5\}, \{6\}, \{7\}, \{3, 5\}, \{3, 6\}, \{3, 7\}, \{5, 6\}, \{5, 7\}, \{6, 7\}, \{3, 5, 6\}, \{3, 5, 7\}, \{3, 6, 7\}, ...

code-golf sequence combinatorics set-theory

user

@AaronMiller we am plat?

plato was plat?

emanresu A

we am plat

exedraj

23:37

@AaronMiller I have pic of Gray plate

One moment

Excuse the crumbs

Browncat Programs

What sort of crumbs are they?

exedraj

It held a few toasted cheese sandwiches 10-20 minutes ago

user

You eat lots of cheese sandwiches for a presidank :P

emanresu A

@exedraj Pink plate?

user

Shouldn't presidanks be eating fancy, dank things like shellfish?

@emanresuA No, grey plate

exedraj

23:39

@emanresuA not yet

emanresu A

Nah, shellfish are undank

exedraj

in Vyxal, yesterday, by exedraj

Since when do we care about practicality?

emanresu A

Cartesian power need btw

user

@exedraj Apparently, now

exedraj

@user no. incorrect.

we don't

emanresu A

23:40

Implementing manually is expensiive

user

Cheese sandwiches are far too practical, you should eat expensive but disgusting things like snails to be a true presidank

exedraj

@emanresuA add it to #160

user

@emanresuA I thought either hyper or I did that already

Probably hyper

Dude coinheringaahing

@NewPosts I have a Python program to this which works up to \$n = 11\$ on TIO, but I have no idea if the answer it gives is minimal or not :/

user

What else does a presidank do? Post memes on twitter everyday?

exedraj

23:43

@user reddit

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Post it, and if it's wrong, just change your question to accommodate that :P

emanresu A

@Dudecoinheringaahing I have most of a bruteforcer iin Vyxal

Also does Vyxal interp count as TIO?

Dude coinheringaahing

Does it time out after a minute?

user

@exedraj That reminds me, time for my daily dose of r/memes, my brain was almost starting to recover from the lack of memage these past few days

exedraj

@Dudecoinheringaahing depends on the flags

it times out after 10 seconds by default

user

23:43

@emanresuA Does it run without timing out locally?

exedraj

@Dudecoinheringaahing but that can be extended to 60 seconds

emanresu A

@user Can

Dude coinheringaahing

@user See, I know that it's at least fit to the bound set by the Conway-Guy sequence, but I have no idea if it just implements that sequence or actually gives the number :P

Jo King

so Quipu isn't on TIO, but it is in Esoteric IDE if anyone else has that

Dude coinheringaahing

user made a TIO interpreter for it

user

23:45

I made a TIO link for it yesterday, but the link's rather long

@Dudecoinheringaahing More like glued the pieces of the actual interpreter into a single file :P

Dude coinheringaahing

@user The gist link should be fine

@emanresuA Feel free to post it, I'll test it locally if there;s any arguments about the timing

Jo King

ah cool, i was about to attempt that myself

emanresu A

@Dudecoinheringaahing WIP :p

Dude coinheringaahing

@Dudecoinheringaahing Fun fact: my Python answer uses the jelly module to save bytes :P

user

lol

Why not just use Jelly?

Dude coinheringaahing

23:47

Because it uses recursion

And ß is the scariest character in Jelly's code page :P

user

I'm going to have nightmares after ssseeing that :P

exedraj

petition to rename recursion base case to recursion based case

emanresu A

Sorry for crashing Vyxal TIO again

exedraj

@emanresuA eh that sounds like a PA problem

emanresu A

More that my program doesn't actually work from what I can tell

exedraj

23:49

as in, it doesn't really impact me if the online interpreter times out

Browncat Programs

Oh, LYAL's today?

exedraj

yes

emanresu A

LY(X)AL

exedraj

1 hour ago, by Dude coinheringaahing

CMQ: For the next hour (and a bit), feel free to suggest a language for LYAL. Current front runner is Quipu, check out this question for some of the other nominees

user

I feel like we need to put an X in there somehow

exedraj

23:50

^

emanresu A

^^'

user

><> has taken over Quipu

Browncat Programs

Learn You eXactly A Language

emanresu A

>^^^^<

Jo King

not only is the X silent, it is also invisible

emanresu A

23:51

@user deletes

user

Learn You John Xena A Language

emanresu A

I don't think we're going with ><> anyway

Dude coinheringaahing

I think it's interesting that, after taking 2 years of CS (including learning about caches, in both browsers and architecture), the thing that really made me realise how good caches are was the speed differences in recursive functions

exedraj

@emanresuA I wouldn't mind ><>

Browncat Programs

Same here

exedraj

23:51

That was the first esolang I ever learned, so it'd be fun to play with it again

emanresu A

Ok

Jo King

><> can be next time?

user

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dude coinheringaahing

I'd be happy with either Quipu or ><>

emanresu A

^^

Dude coinheringaahing

23:52

I think doing one today and the other next time would be perfect tho

exedraj

@Dudecoinheringaahing same

emanresu A

^

user

strawpoll.me/45622626 quick poll

exedraj

Use random.org to pick the language

Jo King

i'd prefer to learn quipu, since i'm already very acquainted with ><>

i suppose i could be the teacher though

Dude coinheringaahing

23:54

And ><> is (somewhat) fairly used on the site, it could be fun to do a more unheard of language

exedraj

I've had my eye on Quipu for a while, so I wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity today

Dude coinheringaahing

Ok, so Quipu this time, then ><> next time?

exedraj

sounds good to me

user

👌

Dude coinheringaahing

@exedraj What flag extends it?

exedraj

23:56

	5	Make the interpreter timeout after 5 seconds
	b	Make the interpreter timeout after 15 seconds
	B	Make the interpreter timeout after 30 seconds
	T	Make the interpreter timeout after 60 seconds

emanresu A

T is upto 60

user

What will Vyxal do when we run out of characters after making 256 flags?

exedraj

@user digraph flags probably

Dude coinheringaahing

Use 2 code pages, with a flag to indicate which :P

Browncat Programs

Dang, I'll miss the start of this LYAL

See y'all in a few hours though

user

23:58

Me too :(

Time for D o/

Dude coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Damn, your code is inefficient - it times out for n = 5 for me

@user The programming language, right?

user

Yeah, I'm trying to learn it, it's really nice

emanresu A

@Dudecoinheringaahing Lol. Also, you might want to retime - I just golfed off a bit

user

It's a shame it didn't get as popular as C++ :/

I should suggest that for LYAL, actually

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