The Nineteenth Byte

Browncat Programs

14:01

@Dudecoinheringaahing My first message in TNB was also about KotHs :p

May 19 '19 at 23:50, by Redwolf Programs

Should chatrooms for KoTHs be created along with the challenge, or as soon as it becomes popular?

It was more than a year between my first chat message and my first TNB message

PyGamer0

@exedraj actually i am pretty sure i talking in a SO room before TNB

Dude coinheringaahing

14:19

@BrowncatPrograms Narrator: it did not

:P

hyper-neutrino

@exedraj updated the front page a bit, lmk if you think it's bad

Dude coinheringaahing

> (this 20 reputation does not have to be on Code Golf; it can come from any SE site, including Stack Overflow, Server Fault, etc.)

That's not entirely true - SO or MSE rep doesn't count here

hyper-neutrino

it doesn't? i thought it was only the other way around

fixed

Dude coinheringaahing

I don't think so, but I can't really test it

CMQ: On your network profile, what account has the longest "last seen"?

10 months on Computer Science Educators for me

Adám

@Dudecoinheringaahing Can we check it without affecting it?

Unrelated String

14:33

@Dudecoinheringaahing 2 years, 4 months on Constructed Languages

Dude coinheringaahing

@Adám Yes, as it shows the last seen in the list of accounts

Unrelated String

@Adám looks like last seen is listed on the account list on your network profile

Adám

@Dudecoinheringaahing Area 51: 2 years, 9 months ago

hyper-neutrino

@Dudecoinheringaahing 3 months for a lot of sites since that's when i made an account on every site i didn't already have an account on

pxeger

@Dudecoinheringaahing Geographic Information Systems

Browncat Programs

14:58

Ooh, satisfying line lengths:

for (int i = 1; i <= 20; i++)
  for (int j = 0; j < i; j++)
    System.out.print(i +" ");

Unrelated String

that is satisfyinh

pxeger

> i +" "

not satisfying

Unrelated String

ir's the most satisfying part

Browncat Programs

If Java had JS's semicolon completion, it could be more satisfying, but in a less satisfying way:

for (int i = 1; i <= 20; i++)
  for (int j = 0; j < i; j++)
    System.out.print(i + " ")

Unrelated String

i was about to say

Browncat Programs

15:00

There's something about the slight irregularity in the first that's somehow appealing though

Dude coinheringaahing

How to make Java more satisfying: make it more like JS :P

Huh. I have 20x more rep on CGCC than MSE, but 4/10 of my "top answers" are there

Browncat Programs

CGCC tends to produce a whole bunch of moderately well received answers, and meta tends to produce very large amounts of upvotes, downvotes, or both :p

PyGamer0

what i am planning for 51AC8: 51AC8 TODO thing

(yes i copied somethings from vyxal)

Aaron Miller

> TODO: Make a TODO.

PyGamer0

@AaronMiller thats done

Aaron Miller

15:11

Already making progress, nice!

PyGamer0

@AaronMiller apart from the todo: planning to make variaes and C struct

also i will need a better way of parsing to implement these things

Aaron Miller

Make the users parse it by hand. /s

Dude coinheringaahing

Make all programs be valid ASTs :P

Aaron Miller

Make all programs be the desired output :p

pxeger

@Dudecoinheringaahing that's patented!!1

lol

Dude coinheringaahing

15:18

Sorry, that patent was acquired by caird Inc. :P

pxeger

frick

time to nuke caird Inc.'s office fridge

Dude coinheringaahing

Unfortunately, you need mod powers for that, and caird Inc and HyperInc are partners under the Jelly Org :P

Browncat Programs

The Federal Department of Golfing Languages is preparing to file an antitrust suit on the Jelly Org, though :p

Dude coinheringaahing

We're an international organisation, your "federal departments" have no jurisdiction over us :P

pxeger

but the United Nations International Code Court is indicting you I'm afraid

Browncat Programs

15:25

They're filing a suit because "sorry to ruin the fun, but € is actually two bytes because of unicode"

Dude coinheringaahing

caird Inc. doesn't acknowledge the existence of the court, because golf is a competition within languages and shouldn't have a governing body :P

Browncat Programs

"I don't acknowledge the you're existence" doesn't work well as a legal defense :p

Dude coinheringaahing

The US would like to disagree :P

pxeger

> the you're

Browncat Programs

Don't forget that the DGL has a very convincing paramilitary branch :p

pxeger

15:27

that certainly doesn't sound like a good defence

Browncat Programs

All of the DGL's lawyers jump out of planes to get to work. We call them "paralegals".

Dude coinheringaahing

Ngl, I thought that's what paralegal meant for ages :P

@Dudecoinheringaahing Why was this starred??

pxeger

@Dudecoinheringaahing I starred it :P

Wheat Wizard

2

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

radiation-hardening source-layout code-challenge code-golf Write a program that outputs the exact string: jan ale o, toki! ("Hello, world" but in toki pona to prevent builtins.) Additionally when all copies of any one byte are removed the program must fail to output correctly no matter what byte...

pxeger

and then people followed suit I guess

Wheat Wizard

15:31

Going to post soon...

Dude coinheringaahing

Fair enough :P

Wheat Wizard

Y'all know've the drill.

pxeger

@WheatWizard I don't see how radiation-hardening applies

Wheat Wizard

Don't worry it does.

Dude coinheringaahing

Isn't it closer to pristine-programming?

pxeger

15:31

yeah

> This tag is for challenges which require answers to still work when a random edit to the source code is made

this requires them not to work

Wheat Wizard

The tag wiki is wrong.

pxeger

says who? lol

Dude coinheringaahing

It's not exactly pristine-programming by the original definition, but it's more applicable imo

Wheat Wizard

Just look at a sample of the radiation-hardening challenges.

Dude coinheringaahing

@pxeger Because that's not what pristine programming is

pxeger

15:32

I wouldn't use either

@Dudecoinheringaahing that was for radiation hardening

Wheat Wizard

Very few fit the definition laid out there and even fewer of the good ones do.

Dude coinheringaahing

@pxeger That would explain why it's not pristine programming :P

@WheatWizard Looks good. My only concern is that I'm not sure how much the distinct characters would change it from the same challenge but as a vanilla code-golf

Also, kolmogorov-complexity

Wheat Wizard

@Dudecoinheringaahing What do you mean by "the same challenge"?

Just printing the string?

pxeger

@Dudecoinheringaahing "when all copies of any character are removed" - the more distinct characters, the more ways that requirement can be broken, so it's harder

Dude coinheringaahing

No, the exact same challenge, but where the scoring criteria is only code-golf

Wheat Wizard

15:35

That would just be print the string.

Dude coinheringaahing

No, printing the string with the radiation hardening (softening) requirements

Literally, imagine the challenge was exactly the same, but with "Answers will be scored on two properties, the first is the number of distinct bytes, used (max being 256) in the program, with higher score being better." being removed

Wheat Wizard

If you can remove bytes and it still works then you aren't golfing right.

Dude coinheringaahing

I suspect that bit of winning criteria will make it more interesting, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just a concern

Wheat Wizard

I'm still not sure I entirely understand the concern.

Dude coinheringaahing

Never mind

Wheat Wizard

15:38

Do you mean the same challenge but you have to make it work for all 256?

pxeger

@Dudecoinheringaahing I think it could also be an interesting challenge, but it would be a very different one

Wheat Wizard

There might be a clarity issue on my part?

Dude coinheringaahing

Would this count as failing? abc outputs the required output, without a trailing newline, and ab outputs the output with a trailing newline?

@WheatWizard No, don't worry about it. It shouldn't affect the challenge in any meaningful way

Wheat Wizard

I'd say no.

Dude coinheringaahing

Might be worth clarifying that the correct output can optionally have a trailing newline then :)

pxeger

15:43

Maybe clarify whether a different output method in general invalidates the modified program?

E.g. if return b"jan ale o, toki!" (returns a byte string) is modified to be return "jan ale o, toki!" (normal Unicode string), is that still counted as successfully outputting the string, even though it uses a different method to the submitted program?

New Posts

15:57

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Q: Make a Hello world using as many bytes as possible

Write a program that outputs the exact string: jan ale o, toki! ("Hello, world" but in toki pona to prevent builtins.) with an optional trailing newline. Additionally when all copies of any one byte present in your program are removed the program must fail to produce a correct output no matter w...

Wezl

16:12

Chat Mini Puzzle: Create a data format (no need to write actual code) to store a chess board.
The format must be a fixed number of bits (your answer clarifies which bits store which data). **The least bits necessary wins.**
The format stores a single 8x8 chessboard with two teams of pieces. Whether it is black or white's turn must be stored.
The 50 moves and the three-fold-repetition rules can be ignored. Other than that, the board must be able to store any possible positions of pieces, and should theoretically be able to be used to save and restore a chess game. Castling should be taken in…

pxeger

Full chess rules including en passant and pawn-queen promotion?

Wezl

yes, except for drawing

pxeger

Do we need to store the order in which pieces were captured?

Wezl

no. The format does not need to allow recovery of the preceding moves

Wezl

16:25

@BrowncatPrograms unrelated but can you use wayback machine?

Browncat Programs

No

Also, cursed language feature I came up with: All functions can only be used once. Once used, the function becomes null. In order to make a resuable function, you need to add xyz = xyz; at the end of the function (where xyz is the function's name)

(Inspired by one of the wrong answers on a quiz I was taking, which said "doStuff cannot be called twice")

ngn

@Wezl so, there are 13 kinds of things that can be on a square (6white 6black 1empty) and there are 64 squares, that's 64*log(13)=164.15 bits, and another 6 bits to encode the en-passant square, =171bits. easy.

Wheat Wizard

@BrowncatPrograms Bonus points: Your language is purely functional, and has no while loops/goto.

ngn

@ngn oh, hang on.. i used the wrong base for log()

>>> 64*log(13)/log(2)+6
242.8281419610299

+1bit to record whose turn it is

the total number of possible chess positions is estimated as 1.96e71

so the theoretical minimum should be

Wheat Wizard

16:40

Aren't there are locations on the board where pawns of a certain color can't be?

ngn

>>> log(1.96e71)/log(2)
236.8277483913432

not too far from 243bits

@WheatWizard of course, there is some slack

Wheat Wizard

I think if you account for that and the maximum piece count you should be able to really put a dent in it.

It might in fact be cheaper to just take the 32 pieces and say where and what they are then to actually enumerate the board.

Browncat Programs

public static void monthName(int m) {
  String str = "         January  February March    April    May      June     July     August   SeptemberOctober  November December ".substring(m * 9, m * 9 + 9) + " ";

  System.out.print(str.substring(0, str.indexOf(" ")));
}

Good code(TM)

ngn

@WheatWizard right, 32*log(64)/log(2) = 32*6 = 192

so that estimate i found by random searching is bs

here it says 4e44

>>> log(4e44)/log(2)
148.16483617504394

Wheat Wizard

Your estimate is wrong, one sec

There are 16 black pieces and 16 white pieces, 8 of each can only be what they started as so you only need to encode their positions 65 possible states (board + has been captured). Then for things that started as pawns each can be one of 6 options for what kind of piece times 65 possible locations. In total that's 6.02 per non-pawn, (total of 96.36 bits) and 8.6 per pawn (total of 137.72). For 234.07 bits plus enpassant and castling is ~243 bits.

It's just about the same as before.

I think you are not accounting for pawn promotion or capturing?

ngn

16:55

no, i just did the basic calculation to estimate how far it would be from the theoretical perfect encoding

Wheat Wizard

Yeah. Sorry I figured that, but pawn promotion turns out to increase the total quite a lot.

I don't think those estimates are very good though.

Neil

@Dudecoinheringaahing SO, apparently. (I actually did a suggested edit, but for some reason SO didn't notice I was logged in)

Wheat Wizard

Is there a way to check that that doesn't involve manually clicking through every profile?

pxeger

go to stackexchange.com/users/current?tab=accounts

and it's listed small underneath each site name

Wheat Wizard

Mine is Area 51 at 4 years and change. The next closest is 2 months.

New Posts

17:59

0

Q: Hunt for discount

Story My local pizza delivery introduced new discount. You get 50% discount from every second item on your order. But being reedy capitalists they forgot to mention that they will rearrange items the way they need to give you as less as possible. Example Imagine you ordered - Pizza $20 - Pizza $2...

code-golf

user

18:29

@BrowncatPrograms wtf is this lol

Browncat Programs

They still haven't taught us arrays

user

Wow

That is some high quality incompetence

I'm surprised you didn't use a 13-way switch

Browncat Programs

What's a switch statement? Never heard of them :p

Dude coinheringaahing

switch? Nah, that's too complicated :P

user

13 if-else branches then

Dude coinheringaahing

18:34

Clearly a better one is if {m == 1} then {str = "January"} else if ... :P

Damn. ninja'd

user

Bnous points if they haven't taught you else if so you have to nest the ifs inside the elses

@NewPosts VTC because it involves politics and is offensive :P

Browncat Programs

Is a reedy capitalist a salesman who plays a woodwind?

Dude coinheringaahing

I thought it was a very ~~thin~~ weak one :P

user

> : a person or thing too weak to rely on : one easily swayed or overcome

Reed

Aaron Miller

19:59

ＴｈｅＭｏｓｔＣｕｒｓｅｄＲｏｏｍ suggestions in a nutshell:

> This is far too helpful

user

Also

in ＴｈｅＭｏｓｔＣｕｒｓｅｄＲｏｏｍ, Aug 10 at 15:33, by Aaron Miller

That's a horrible idea.
Let's do it.

emanresu A

Hi

user

Turn that Hi upside down

Unrelated String

!H

emanresu A

20:17

ReferenceError: H is not defined.

user

@UnrelatedString Shouldn't it be H!?

Dude coinheringaahing

Depends if you're rotating or reflecting it

user

@exedraj Ooh, how do you contribute?

Unrelated String

i'd definitely interpret "turn" as rotate

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Gone back to the lambda instead of "ha"? :P

user

20:21

Mmm, I would interpret turn upside down as flipping over the vertical line at the center even if has "turn" in it

Unrelated String

cat week isn't over yet, so i would assume the war is still on

Dude coinheringaahing

Today's the last day of catboy/catgirl week, right?

user

It was never cat week

Dude can't decide to make us all catboys/catgirls

THE IDENTICON/DOG RESISTANCE WILL PREVAIL!

hyper-neutrino

@Dudecoinheringaahing yeah, i didn't have a real reason to make it は in the first place lol

Dude coinheringaahing

@user You telling me that people don't always want to be catgirls/catboys? Don't believe you :P

Unrelated String

20:23

@Dudecoinheringaahing i thought that was tomorrow but i'm also terrible at dates

user

You'll find the right person for you one day once you stop being a catboy/catgirl :P

Dude coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString It started last Tuesday, so today is the 7th day

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Even if they do, they must resist the call of Satan and stand up for all that is good

Dude coinheringaahing

Depends how you define "last day of the week" tbh

Unrelated String

so yeah it is today

user

20:24

Cats are demons from the bowels of the earth

rak1507

isn't 1 cat week equivalent to roughly 15 human weeks?

Dude coinheringaahing

Good point

rak1507

in which case, surely it should stay for another 14 weeks or so

user

Oh no, please don't extend it

Unrelated String

i'm not changing my pfp back until someone responds correctly to my chat bio
and/or i want to show something on cg@cc to my sister she cannot be allowed to see this

*&

user

20:26

> Nyanyame nyanyajuunyanya do no nyarabi de nyaku nyaku inyanyaku nyanyahan nyanyadai nyan nyaku nyarabete nyaganyagame

Dude coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString reddit.com/r/firgas/comments/jh8qhx/…

Found that :P

Unrelated String

you're halfway there

user

@UnrelatedString Protip: Don't make references and dereference them immediately :P

rak1507

Nyanyame nyanyajyuunyanya do no nyarabi de nyaku nyaku inyanyaku nyanyahan nyanyadai nyan nyaku...

►

Dude coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString kawaii

Unrelated String

20:27

bingo

Dude coinheringaahing

\o/

Unrelated String

week not over yet so i'll wait a few hours to change back but congratulations

Dude coinheringaahing

Behold my googling skills :P

rak1507

pxeger hasn't spoken in 4 hours, have you dismembered him? @Dudecoinheringaahing

Dude coinheringaahing

Last time I saw him, he was walking into a bank :P

rak1507

20:33

good excuse...

ngn

alright pussies, i'm changing back my pic now because i might be asleep in a few hours

user

Good, good, return to an identicon

Dude coinheringaahing

We all know that banks hold you hostage if you overdraft too much :P

user

Or a dog, whatever works for you

rak1507

@Dudecoinheringaahing can you pay off debt with your organs? :P

Dude coinheringaahing

20:34

@rak1507 With the right buyer, yes :P

hyper-neutrino

does fandom have a special page to view all broken internal links?

Unrelated String

that's a really good question

Dude coinheringaahing

Oh yeah, I should do those

Unrelated String

it should for sure

emanresu A

Sussy conversatioin

user

20:37

the-nineteenth-byte.fandom.com/wiki/Cat_Week

hyper-neutrino

> Many users turned to the cat side and made their profile pictures cats, catboys, or catgirls, including respected mod Wheat Wizard

rak1507

since when did this exist

Dude coinheringaahing

7 hours ago - check the pins

hyper-neutrino

so WW, who has always had a cat pic, "turned to the cat side", but me, who literally made my pfp a catgirl (for like half an hour but still) didn't

rak1507

ah

user

20:38

@Dudecoinheringaahing Yeah, but I just edited it right now

hyper-neutrino

oh then again, I am not a respected mod /hj

user

I thought you were neutral

hyper-neutrino

@user yes

did WW say they specifically supported the cat side lol

user

Okay, so you didn't turn to the cat side

I don't think they did, but I'm assuming they support cats

Dude coinheringaahing

If we give @Slate seeds, and promise not to hunt you, will you join the cat side? :P

user

20:41

Are you asking me or Slate?

Oh, Slate

Dude coinheringaahing

Slate, but you can also answer if you'd like :P

We won't give you any seeds, but we won't hunt you either :P

user

You know the answer is NO

I would rather live on my feet than die on my knees

hyper-neutrino

uh

that sounds backwards? am i dumb

Unrelated String

yeah wait uh

user

You would rather die on your knees than live on your feet?

Unrelated String

20:43

no like

hyper-neutrino

you would rather die on your feet than live on your knees

Unrelated String

you have it mixed up
between the two

^

hyper-neutrino

the idea is you would rather uphold your ideals and die for them than submit to live

Dude coinheringaahing

If the choices are living or dying, I'd rather live :P

user

From Catch 22

hyper-neutrino

20:44

i would rather die ~~on my feet~~ than live ~~on my knees~~ (/s)

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Depends on the conditions in which you're living

rak1507

@hyper-neutrino you ok

Unrelated String

i think that's a subversion of the established phrase

user

Would I rather die than live as a cat? Yes, a hundred times yes

@UnrelatedString Yeah, it was a joke

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Surely if you're immortal, such conditions are essentially negligable

user

20:45

@rak1507 HN has made multiple jokes of that sort before, I can't tell if he just has a dark sense of humor or what

@Dudecoinheringaahing ???

Immortality doesn't mean you can't feel pain

Immortality seems like the worst curse ever, honestly

Dude coinheringaahing

I think I'd like it

rak1507

@user hopefully

Dude coinheringaahing

I'd very much like to live through history, and experience it all firsthand

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Wouldn't you get bored of the booze and money and drugs and power after a while?

Oh we have very different reasons to live lol

That is a respectable reason to want to be immortal

Dude coinheringaahing

@user If I can't die, I'd be very interested in pushing the limits of alcoholism and drug addiction :P

rak1507

20:47

I'd rather be immortal but able to die if I got super bored

user

^

hyper-neutrino

does immortality entail the inability to die though? i always thought it was just the absence of aging / living on a time constraint

Dude coinheringaahing

If you're immortal, you could just find someway to just hibernate while you're bored :P

user

Could you really?

Unrelated String

strictly speaking it's can't die

user

20:48

What if you're immortal but floating in space?

Unrelated String

but it can mean a lot of things

rak1507

being truly immortal would probably be bad

hyper-neutrino

@rak1507 and yes, I am okay, user is correct that I make these jokes occasionally and they should not be a cause for concern; I make these jokes more in other places (and used to make them more in the past)

Unrelated String

biological immportality refers to non-aging iirc

user

Then you'll jut be floating around for a very long time feeling lonely and you'll probably claw yourself dead after a while

rak1507

20:48

but if you could just not die from most things, but you had the big red death button available for when the earth gets eaten by the sun or whatever, that sounds pretty decent

Dude coinheringaahing

Lock yourself in a safe at the bottom of the sea, with a key only you have, set an alarm for a couple of hundred years, boom, not bored

user

lol

Unrelated String

lol

rak1507

@hyper-neutrino yay

emanresu A

I'd rather die of my cheese than live off my beets.

3

user

20:49

If I had a wish, I'd either ask for everyone to live forever, perfectly blissful without a shred of sadness or other negative emotions, or for all life to instantly just end forever

Dude coinheringaahing

@rak1507 The thing is, you could be tempted to press the big red button early because a specific century was just sooo borringggg ugh

Aaron Miller

> the 40 members of the French Academy.

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing But it wouldn't matter because you wouldn't be alive to regret it

rak1507

well yeah, you could, but you'd still have the choice

Aaron Miller

@AaronMiller source

Unrelated String

20:50

lmao

Dude coinheringaahing

I'd rather have immortality that could only be overridden by being thrown into the sun

user

Um

That's a death I would not want lol

Unrelated String

it seems like an experience worth having

Aaron Miller

@Dudecoinheringaahing But if you miss the sun, you'll float through the endless abyss for pretty much forever

Dude coinheringaahing

Either, you get found out as a witch and launched into the sun after everything else fails, or you die when the earth swallows the sun :P

rak1507

20:51

well maybe, but either way there should be a way out for if you're extremely bored/nuclear armageddon/earth blows up/all of the above

user

@UnrelatedString ...

Dude coinheringaahing

Actually no, I don't want to be immortal, I just want to be a Main Character :P

They can't die, and have eventful lives :P

hyper-neutrino

CMP: what character archetype / trope are you IRL :P

user

"Tell me, what's the coolest place you've been on your travels?"
"So you won't believe this, but this one time, these people got together and threw me into the sun"

Dude coinheringaahing

What archetypes are there?

user

20:52

@hyper-neutrino None, because like most people, I am a normal person, and movies don't have too many of those because normal people are boring

rak1507

doubt

hyper-neutrino

well there are various lists depending who you ask that you can look up, there isn't really a standard definition

user

Okay yeah I'm not normal

hyper-neutrino

but this list has 201 somehow

rak1507

@hyper-neutrino well that's inconvenient

Dude coinheringaahing

20:53

@user You are a normal person, typing with your normal human hands?

hyper-neutrino

this has 325

rak1507

@hyper-neutrino 201?! go away, not reading all of them

Unrelated String

i'm too weird to be in the background but not interesting enough to be a side character

rak1507

give me a choice of like, 10

user

> Bumbling Sidekick: An incompetent companion and helper to a hero.

Dude coinheringaahing

20:53

> 201 Character Archetypes Writers MUST Have In Their Armoury

Aaron Miller

Aug 12 at 16:13, by user

I once ate half a bowl of salt because it tasted so good

Unrelated String

MUST

user

@user This is 110% me

hyper-neutrino

well you could use the 12 jungian archetypes i guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (learned about these in english class lmao)

Dude coinheringaahing

Ngl, I think GRRM read this list before writing GoT and is slowly working his way through it :P

user

20:53

@AaronMiller It was later established that I do not have an inhuman tolerance for salt

rak1507

@hyper-neutrino none of the above

where is 'extremely boring introvert'

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino This soup is so good! That's gonna leave a mark!

user

@hyper-neutrino All of these are positive lol

hyper-neutrino

okay but how the fuck does pure undiluted salt a) taste good at all b) taste good enough for you to eat that much, and how did you not die

user

I didn't actually eat that much

Dude coinheringaahing

20:54

@rak1507 In your room, on your computer :P

rak1507

lol

user

Aug 12 at 17:19, by user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Welp, I just asked my mom, and apparently, not only did I eat something else with the salt, I didn't finish it

Unrelated String

i remember i put a bunch of table salt in a glass of water once and it was amazing for the first like two sips before it... didn't

Dude coinheringaahing

> The 4 cardinal orientations that the archetypes are seeking to realise are:

Ego – Leave a Mark on the World
Order – Provide Structure to the World
Social – Connect to others
Freedom – Yearn for Paradise

Unrelated String

*wasn't

Dude coinheringaahing

20:55

I can't exactly explain why, but that seems very wrong to me

hyper-neutrino

anyway yeah archetypes exist to allow characters to be used to accentuate traits held in some combination and proportion by (nearly) everyone so describing existing real humans with archetypes is pretty impractical/impossible so rip

user

@rak1507 I'm looking for "extremely boring introvert who's a jerk to anyone who tries being nice and then moans about not having friends"

rak1507

ouch, relatable

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Have you heard about the site for people like that? Link

ngn

@user you found the right chat room :)

Aaron Miller

20:56

Wow, if I had a nickel for every time user claimed to have eaten a bowl of salt, I'd have two nickels - which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

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Jun 4 at 23:01, by user

Ate a bowl of salt once and felt like puking for an hour after that

rak1507

lol

user

All of the Jung archetypes are too positive

@AaronMiller It was a defining experience for me

It was soul-crushing when I found out that I am not, in fact, immune to osmosis

Aaron Miller

lol same

Unrelated String

;-(

Dude coinheringaahing

> The Hero
Greatest fear: weakness, vulnerability, being a “chicken”

I think I know which one is Marty McFly :P

Slate

20:59

@Dudecoinheringaahing Possibly. That depends on the number of seeds.

ngn

psychology is a pseudo-science

user

@Slate No, don't become one of them!

Dude coinheringaahing

@Slate 3 handfuls now, one handful / day after joining our side :P

user

You know they'll betray you as soon as you're close enough

Slate

Hmmm. I don't know...

Dude coinheringaahing

21:00

Slate does have Supreme CM Powers in case we do betray her :P

user

Ah, fair enough

Jun 4 at 23:02, by caird coinheringaahing

I think I'm allergic to sushi. Every time I eat more than 80 sushis, I throw up

Dude coinheringaahing

@Slate How about 4 handfuls now, and one handful / day and a suet block every week? :P

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Where do you buy sushi this cheap?

Slate

Noooow we're talking.

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Who said it was cheap? :P

user

21:02

You're going to blow your savings on seeds and sushi :P

hyper-neutrino

#worth

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#worth

Dude coinheringaahing

@Slate throws 4 handfuls of seeds

Drop by anytime for your suet :P

Slate

:D

Dude coinheringaahing

Ok, so we now have 2 CMs, 2 mods and 3 ROs on the cat side :P

user

21:04

*sigh* I give up

Slate

I don't know what side I'm taking, I just like seeds.

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Dude coinheringaahing

That's a good strategy in life tbh :P

ais523

22:28

@BrowncatPrograms have you ever used Underload? it's like that but worse

if you call a function, you destroy it, and if you want to be able to call it again, you have to give that function too many arguments and one of the extra arguments is the function itself (the extra arguments get returned as extra return values, and that lets you keep a copy of the function around)

unfortunately, the arguments don't have names, and you don't have any way to move them around but a swap operation (it's a stack-based language), so if you want to nondestructively call a function with lots of arguments, and the arguments you're giving aren't constants, you need to make little helper functions at runtime that store blocks of arguments so that you can swap past them

this, amazingly, isn't that bad when you get used to it, but it does make you despair of ever explaining the program to someone else

emanresu A

22:44

By 'function' you mean a string which you can call with ^, right?

ais523

right

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