The Nineteenth Byte

Catija

00:14

@Dudecoinheringaahing probably. But it's been reported at least twice already. Hahaha

emanresu A

@Catija Is it possible to add a staff badge to this user? I know they're inactive now, but they posted some important things and it'd be good to easily recognise those as staff posts.

Catija

Only current staff get the badge.

emanresu A

Oh ok

Catija

One of the things we're investigating is making a post-level indicator for stuff like that, though.

emanresu A

00:32

This question appears to have no related sidebar - is that by design or a bug?

Dude coinheringaahing

00:58

@Catija Y'all we're looking into a moderator emeritus program right? Applying that to staff seems kind of natural tbh

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: All valid N * N Flow Free Boards., Convince me that this vector theorem is true

emanresu A

@Dudecoinheringaahing The apostrophe in that confused me. Please make your English easier to parse, or I will have to start using regular expressions.

exedraj

^

emanresu A

/^/

exedraj

also, the "member for x days" on user profiles is broken:

As you can see, it reports Allxy has been a member for 5 days

emanresu A

01:08

Allxy is sus

exedraj

even though the legacy profile userscript says that the account is only 3 days old

(which it is.)

emanresu A

Lol

Also if you can find another person, I'll happily lose to you at wikirace.

exedraj

∴ it's broken

@emanresuA not today

I've got web design to do

and you've got first-class comments to consider

emanresu A

I have no idea what to do with that :p

Catija

@Dudecoinheringaahing we hadn't thought about that but it's not a bad idea.

emanresu A

01:33

Arnauld is the Jon Skeet of golfing JS.

exedraj

dang don't you hate it when you forget to add input to a language ;p

emanresu A

Good job, I'm very proud of you.

Dude coinheringaahing

01:50

@emanresuA I do'nt th'in'k I w'i'l'l

emanresu A

You have been warned... /cairdisbad'*/

Dude coinheringaahing

@Catija It took me far too long to realise that Pops used to work for SE, because I often interpreted their posts the same way as I currently interpret Sonic/Shadow on MSE: not official, just crazy knowledgeable

@emanresuA Who is this "caird"? No one calls me that, man, I'm the Dude

emanresu A

/(caird|dude)isbad'*/

Unrelated String

@exedraj wait did they add that back

exedraj

No

that's with an additional userscript

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Q: LegacyProfiles - Bringing back the old profile stats

Preview Note: The date is locale-based. Screenshot is in UTC What is LegacyProfiles? LegacyProfiles brings back user info removed from profiles in a recent profile update. It is powered by StackExchange API and inspired by this post. Specifically, it allows you to see the user creation date,...

script

Dude coinheringaahing

01:56

Developers Who Use Spaces Make More Money Than Those Who Use Tabs

David Robinson on June 15, 2017

Do you use tabs or spaces for code indentation? This is a bit of a “holy war” among software developers; one that’s been the subject of many debates and in-jokes. I use spaces, but I never thought it was particularly important. But today we’re releasing the raw data behind the Stack Overflow 2017 Developer Survey,…

But spaces = more bytes

The code-golf vs code-bowler wage gap is a critical issue in software dev that we must fix :P

user

02:07

@Dudecoinheringaahing This sounds suspiciously like the shark ice cream truck thing

emanresu A

Correlation does not imply causation

Dude coinheringaahing

@user ngl, can't say I know what that is

user

What emanresu said

Some place banned ice cream trucks because they were correlated with shark attacks or sth like that

Oh actually they pointed out that’s npt what’s happening

Apparently it happens within types of developers and langs too, curios

exedraj

@user aren't you supposed to be asleep?

Dude coinheringaahing

No, that's me :P

exedraj

02:16

in Langjam, 2 hours ago, by user

I need to sleep now, but I started work on this repo for a lisp where strings and comments are the same thing. I've only done the parser yet, but I'm intending to make it transpile to Python and use comments to both generate and check code. Feel free to copy from it if y'all want, I need to go sleep now o/

Dude coinheringaahing

It's 3am here, and I have work at 10am, so wish me luck :/

@exedraj Coding > sleep (but only when coding for fun)

emanresu A

'night

Wait no

'morning

I'm lucky - I'm in lockdown and barely have any school, so I don't really need a sleep schedule.

exedraj

02:32

sussy baka

emanresu A

02:51

When the impostor is asleep

Backticks for 1/2-char strings? I'm very disappointed in you.

@exedraj Uncaught SyntaxError: malformed Unicode character escape sequence

2 days ago, by Aaron Miller

@exedraj You can never escape us

exedraj

that was 2 days ago

how are you only noticing it now?

emanresu A

I only noticed it errored just now

exedraj

29 mins ago, by exedraj

sussy baka

emanresu A

59 secs ago, by exedraj

29 mins ago, by exedraj

sussy baka

CMQ: Did we invent the phrase '11'?

And how old is it?

emanresu A

03:37

Someone is seriously misusing Teams

hyper-neutrino

i am not convinced a kanban board really makes sense for roommates to use either; what would you even use that for

but yes, it should not be surprising that SO for teams functions like SO, where you can ask questions and get answers, but for teams

emanresu A

04:22

Everyone, LYAL is missing a X!

We must fix this.

4 more days of being a cat.

exedraj

> 4 more days of ~~being a cat~~ personal suffering

ftfy

emanresu A

I'm guessing the 'fy' in that is 'for you', what's the 'ft'?

exedraj

fixed that for you

emanresu A

Oh

PyGamer0

ftfmp

emanresu A

04:33

fixed that for... Mespotamian Pterodactyls?

PyGamer0

04:48

@emanresuA fix this for me please

AviFS

07:41

python golfing: I'm hoping to do lambda n: print(n) while still returning n from the function

afaik, you can't have multiple statements in a lambda. so i've been trying variations of 'print(n) and n` to no avail

ideas?

exedraj

print(n)or n?

that usually works

emanresu A

Since print returns undefined

AviFS

...

print(n) or n

yeah, I just found it

I could've sworn I tried that

@exedraj thanks, smh

thanks again! it's awesomely working!

emanresu A

When you have 200 tabs open and you're wondering why your computer's running a bit slow...

AviFS

Same user, same

Anush

07:55

@Dudecoinheringaahing they also don’t look at your statement in the UK

It is all done on real and predicted grades

CMQ which three tags have had the largest change in popularity since 2017?

Dude coinheringaahing

08:19

@Anush I don't think it was especially popular in 2017 (2016 would be a different story), but popularity-contest maybe? And there were quite a few alphabet and stack-exchange-api challenges around then that haven't exactly returned

pxeger

08:45

@Anush that's definitely not true

@rak1507 depends on the subject; this kind of thing might help; I'd say avoid overly-vocational courses like cybersec because they teach you the practical things you can learn easily on your own, not the foundational theory that's harder to just pick up - other than that, choose what you're personally most interested in because that's where you'll have the best chance (contd.)

(contd.) at the top unis and also you'll enjoy the course more; no for similar reasons and also that you'll kinda get locked in to working for one company; if you're the kind of person who's looking at oxbridge then also no because oxbridge is very useful

emanresu A

09:01

Tag idea: [minimum-distinct-chars], a winning criterion in which your program needs to have as few distinct characters as possible

Several questions already exist

Better name plz

Wheat Wizard

[minu-dstchr] or [code-glf]

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exedraj

@emanresuA ul

That should be upper-case (UL)

emanresu A

Does that stand for anything?

Wheat Wizard

Challenge Writing Challenge: Write a restricted-source challenge such that its scoring could equally be considered to be one of two different scoring criteria. e.g. if the source restriction were "Every character must appear the same number of times", then [minimum-distinct-chars] would be the same as code-golf. The scoring criteria is most interesting challenge.

exedraj

@emanresuA Uniquify, Length

Wheat Wizard

09:12

fmap-length-nub-sort

emanresu A

Should I write up a meta post?

pxeger

I think code-glf is the best option

Wheat Wizard

@WheatWizard Now the tag name is a valid Haskell solution which scores the challenge.

pxeger

but with dots rather than dashes, right?

PyGamer0

@pxeger cd-gf

cod-glf

pxeger

09:15

@PyGamer0 I think you missed the joke

Wheat Wizard

@pxeger The intention was spaces instead of -. Hence why I use fmap, but I made a mistake and it doesn't work.

PyGamer0

@pxeger i think i have

pxeger

oh

@PyGamer0 code-glf is code-golf but with non-unique characters removed

PyGamer0

oohh

Wheat Wizard

I like the idea of code-glf however the issue is that there aren't a whole lot of repeated characters in "code golf" so it confusingly looks very similar which I think is not ideal.

pxeger

09:18

yeah and it might be too easy to apply accidentally

Wheat Wizard

cde-golf might be a bit better in that respect.

All this talk has me thinking of a challenge idea.

emanresu A

What?

Wheat Wizard

I'm just going to post it in the sandbox.

emanresu A

Ok cool

@exedraj Can I be RO?

pxeger

Any feedback?

emanresu A

09:28

Looks good to post

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Q: Winning criteria request: [minimum-distinct-chars]

There are several questions where the challenge is to accomplish a task with the least distinct characters - Example, Example, Possibly example. There's probably more, these are hard to find. Currently, these questions are all tagged with code-challenge, but it would be nice to have this as an ex...

feature-request

emanresu A

^ Meta'd

There's something incredibly satisfying about jundreds of shapes flowing through the game...

Wheat Wizard

What game is that? And is it a zachlike?

emanresu A

shapez.io

It fun

What does 'zachlike' mean?

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

radiation-hardening source-layout code-challenge code-golf Write a program that outputs the exact string: jan ale o, toki! ("Hello, world" but in toki pona to prevent builtins.) Additionally when all copies of any one byte are removed the program must fail to output correctly no matter what byte...

emanresu A

09:35

Vyxal --tokipona, 1 byte

Wheat Wizard

@emanresuA It's the genre of games for sort of engineering / programming puzzles. With the preeminent examples being games like space chem, infinifactory,and opus magnum made by Zach Barth, aka Zachtronics.

emanresu A

I guess it's sorta engineering

You have to carefully maneuver and combine resources as efficiently as possible

It's also Turing-complete.

Wheat Wizard

Yeah that sounds like a zachlike.

emanresu A

Minecraft's Turing-Complete - Terraria's sadly not, as it has limited space.

Infinite Terraria would be TC.

PyGamer0

09:56

TC Games: shapez (just heard of it), TPT, Minecraft, Real Civil Engineer

emanresu A

Is TPT Turing-complete?

I thought it had a size limit...

pxeger

Baba Is You (apart from the size limit) is TC

PyGamer0

@emanresuA people make computers

pxeger

@emanresuA TPT basically simulates the physics of real life

and real life is Turing-complete [citation needed]

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emanresu A

@pxeger Minecraft can be Turing-complete with only target blocks, observers, and dispensers, or rails, minecarts, and observers.

PyGamer0

10:06

@emanresuA nah people made 16 bit alu with only redstone and redstone torches

so a full computer is possible

pxeger

@PyGamer0 you could probably make a Turing machine in Minecraft with basically any 3 redstone components

PyGamer0

@pxeger hmm correction: all

exedraj

@emanresuA no.

And by no I mean yes

emanresu A

Yes
But also those

@exedraj Mind if I kick you?

exedraj

@emanresuA can't kick ROs iirc

pxeger

10:39

oh hey, I'm a Yearling today

emanresu A

I'm not going to be one for a while.

exedraj

11:07

@pxeger very cool how did you like your first year?

pxeger

pretty good, other than the lyxalitis

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exedraj

The lyxalitis is the best part

emanresu A

Have I contracted lyxalitis?

I've started rickrolling people, as you can see here, here and here.

pxeger

fuck you

emanresu A

I've had that for a while

You have been much rickrolled

pxeger

11:15

I clicked all three of them as well

emanresu A

Good job

Triple rickroll - I think that's a new record.

@exedraj Did it get you?

@exe Did you get rickrolled?

Lyxal.exe has stopped responding

exedraj

11:32

I was busy looking at reddit lol

emanresu A

O

Did it get you, though?

exedraj

No

Because I saw pxeger get rickrolled

I only just came back lok

emanresu A

Always the strat

exedraj

*lol

emanresu A

kol

Dude coinheringaahing

12:05

@emanresuA Minecraft also has limited space

emanresu A

12:22

@Dudecoinheringaahing Oh true

Chunk loading

Wait, can't minecarts load chunks?

Or was that removed...

exedraj

12:48

rickroll but rick is the green screen apparently

PyGamer0

@exedraj even the girl is green loL

exedraj

everyone is green

Sandbox Posts

13:05

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Tic-Tac Clock given a time of the day (0-12 inclusive) output the closest fitting clock. This means 0/12, 3, 6 and 9 should be straight up/to the side. The one's in between go in the corners! The clock should look as follows: ##/ 2 -> #+# ### ### 3 -> #+- ### ###...

PyGamer0

13:19

anyone who knows regex please fix this

its a multiline comment

emanresu A

'night

exedraj

@emanresuA same here

pxeger

14:00

@PyGamer0 <#.*?#>

PyGamer0

@pxeger ty

Anush

@pxeger which country are we talking about? It's true in the UK

pxeger

@Anush yes, UK. I don't think so

ngn

14:17

@SandboxPosts @WheatWizard pona a! sina sona ala sona e toki pona?

Wheat Wizard

sona.

ngn

this is the second time i meet a fluent speaker in this chat, what are the chances :)

pxeger

above average, given this chat is populated largely by massive nerds

PyGamer0

14:31

let me try something

bruh @WheatWizard how‽

Wheat Wizard

How what?

PyGamer0

again

2 days ago, by Wheat Wizard

@pxeger More clever than this

@WheatWizard ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^

Wheat Wizard

I guessed the right number.

No mod magic or anything.

PyGamer0

imma try it last time

argh

ok i give up

PyGamer0

15:12

CMQ: How to put regex flags in re.sub(?

Dude coinheringaahing

15:25

Isn't it re.sub(pattern, string, replacement, flags = re.flags)?

@Anush It depends where you're applying to

Most unis in the UK will give your statement a once-over to make sure it isn't awful, then will look at your grades. Some of the more exclusive unis will actually read and judge it

I know Oxbridge do, as do UoN and Imperial

pxeger

15:58

> UoN
> more exclusive

I mean it depends on the subject, but really?

having worked there...

Dude coinheringaahing

16:29

@pxeger It's more exclusive than a lot of places, and it's one I know for sure reads the statements

Neil

17:15

CMC: Given a sequence of letters (your preference of upper or lower case), output the distance a one-finger typist would move to type the word on a UK qwerty keyboard, divided by the number of letters in that word. The horizontal distance between two adjacent keys is exactly 19.05 mm; the vertical distance between each row is also 19.05 mm, but the q and a rows are offset by a quarter of a key while the a and z rows are offset by half a key. Answers must be accurate to at least 0.1mm

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing it's not really true sadly. Almost all UK unis now have admissions done by central admin who know nothing about the subject you are applying for. They just look for the predicted grades and follow a simple formula

Oxford and Cambridge will read your application

I don't know if anywhere else will

You can just ask them but you will be disappointed by the reply

UoN?

I can believe imperial reads the application

Dude coinheringaahing

17:34

I don't really need to ask them, my dad does admissions for the course he runs at UoN :P

The number of times he's shown me bad personal statements is crazy. They're almost never make or break, but they do contribute for unis that actually read them

I've seen examples of where someone was predicted like a BCC, and the course required a BBC, and they offered a conditional because of the personal statement. Like, it won't save you if you're miles below the requirement, but if you're close, a good one can help

pxeger

18:03

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Distances between keys on a QWERTY keyboard code-golf geometry kolmogorov-complexity keyboard Inspired by this video by Matt Parker The distances between the letter keys of a QWERTY keyboard are somewhat standardised. The keys are square and both the horizontal and vertical spacing are 19.05mm (s...

sorry :p

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing where is UoN?

@Dudecoinheringaahing is he a lecturer in a department?

pxeger

@Anush University of Nottingham

Anush

@pxeger which subject is this for?

pxeger

not sure, ask @Dudecoinheringaahing

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing which subject?

Dude coinheringaahing

18:28

@Anush Yes, and I'd rather not say with subject/department, as you can probably figure out who I am IRL from that knowledge

Anush

18:50

@Dudecoinheringaahing understood. I suppose I could guess from BBC but I won't

Certainly for maths and cs in non Oxbridge/imperial unis I know they no longer read your statement except for some niche exceptions

I do think this should be covered by the newspapers

rak1507

19:17

@pxeger thanks

pxeger

@rak1507 don't take my advice too strongly btw, I'm just an idiot

rak1507

lol

Dude coinheringaahing

@pxeger Didn't you hear? We're all idiots here :P

rak1507

yeah I'm only really considering cybersec at warwick because grades are achievable so easy backup + it's supposedly decent + ik quite a lot of other people who are there/applying

but it wouldn't be my first choice

user

19:32

@exedraj I watched a movie after I sent that :P

The actual last message was sent right before I actually went to sleep

Anush

20:17

@rak1507 is that an undergrad degree?

rak1507

yes

Anush

@rak1507 what would be?

rak1507

oxbridge

leaning towards oxford maths+compsci atm

Dude coinheringaahing

@rak1507 But that's 2 choices (and more, if you count colleges) :P

Anush

@rak1507 you want to do maths or cs or both?

rak1507

20:19

unsure

@Dudecoinheringaahing yes well that's the hard bit :P

Dude coinheringaahing

You could double-major

Or whatever it's called in the UK, I only know the US term for it (double honours I think?)

Anush

Yes. At Warwick there is "discrete maths" that is really maths and cs

@Dudecoinheringaahing joint degree in the UK

Dude coinheringaahing

@Anush Discrete maths != cs

It overlaps a bit, but "discrete" is such a broad term, it's bound to

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing the degree is very similar to a UK maths/cs joint degree

rak1507

also considering just not doing a degree

Anush

20:21

@rak1507 that's probably a mistake

Dude coinheringaahing

@rak1507 Do a radian instead

rak1507

@Anush jobs don't tend to need degrees as much now + I have other things that could help

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing I mean the specific Warwick degree with that name

Dude coinheringaahing

@Anush Ah ok. I don't really know anything about that degree tbh :P

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing :)

@rak1507 that's not quite true. Graduate trainee schemes give you a big advantage

rak1507

20:24

@Anush not saying there isn't some benefit to getting a degree, there obviously is, but it's just whether or not it's better than 3/4 years of earning + career progress

Dude coinheringaahing

Plus, if you have a degree and don't know what to do with it, there's always the fallback of going into academia :P

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Seconds are better because they double as units of time and food :P

Anush

@rak1507 well you get 3/4 years with thousands of people your age

rak1507

is that meant to be a good thing

Dude coinheringaahing

I'm a person my age, and I don't want to spend time with me :P

Anush

20:33

It is if you want to find a partner or friends for life

Or have a hobby you love

Or drink and have sex

:)

Dude coinheringaahing

@Anush You can do that outside of uni :P

Anush

Pretty much anything you like is available at uni

rak1507

@Anush fair enough, I'm not really very good at that sort of thing though :P

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing it's much easier at uni

Dude coinheringaahing

Maybe sex, but I've found drinking is a lot easier when I don't have to live on a budget :P

user

20:35

@rak1507 I'm American, I love using confusing units :P

Anush

@rak1507 I am including a love of anime or badminton. Whatever you love there will be enough people with the same interest

@Dudecoinheringaahing :) students don't find any problems with getting enough booze

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Drinking can be free too if you're brave enough :P

Dude coinheringaahing

I have many ways to reduce the price of drinking tbh :P

Anush

Also... You might learn something! :)

user

Oh

I'm dumb

Anush

20:37

@Dudecoinheringaahing please list them :)

user

Sorry Anush

Anush

@user what for?

Dude coinheringaahing

@Anush Why would I want to do that, when I can just sit around, do code golf and chat in TNB? :P

user

@Anush I didn't realize you were in this room lol

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing you can do that at uni too?

user

20:38

lyxal does :P

Dude coinheringaahing

HN as well :P

@Anush My #1 is ~~stealing~~ brewing homebrew beer. The starting kit is ~£80, but you can get ~23 litres of not awful beer for ~£20 every month

Anush

@user you have confused me

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing You have a still?

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing nice.

Dude coinheringaahing

@user It's beer, all you need is a bucket

user

20:39

@Anush I was ignoring you and forgot to unignore you with everyone else

@Dudecoinheringaahing lol

Dude coinheringaahing

And a keg/barrel to store it in

Anush

What is the current cheapest commercial alcohol units per pound?

@user ah ok ;)

user

@Anush The wine I just stole from my neighbor's house ;P

Anush

Alcohol is not expensive if you don't buy it in a pub

@user :)

Dude coinheringaahing

@Anush You can buy a bottle of 97% neutral-grain spirit for ~£25

Anush

20:42

@Dudecoinheringaahing really???

Link please

user

It's official, TNB is full of drunkards :P

Anush

It seems so!

user

Shaggy, I summon thee to tell Dude and Anush about cheap alcohol!

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing I mean it seems you could just mix that with coke and be happy for a week

Dude coinheringaahing

@Anush The bottle I'm thinking of is sold at my local liquor shop, and I've never bought it so I don't know the brand. But here's one that's 70% for £23

user

20:44

I'm concerned for all of you

Dude coinheringaahing

Which is basically just 2 70cl bottles of vodka for £23 :P

@user Unfortunately, drinking culture is as British as colonialism

Anush

@Dudecoinheringaahing about 2.04cl of alcohol per pound

@user me too!

@Dudecoinheringaahing we actually drink less on average than lots of countries

We just do it very antisocially

user

Mmm, maybe Britain's average would be higher if more British code golfers were surveyed :P

Dude coinheringaahing

It's been 3 days, and there's been no objection to this suggestion for LYAL. I'm going to go ahead and add it to the schedule in a little bit, voice your objections now :P

@user I'm assuming you're not counting Shaggy? Wars have been started for less

user

No

I'm assuming the only reason the Britain isn't higher is because Shaggy's singlehandedly bringing Ireland up

Anush

20:51

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Lithuania for the win!

user

The new Wikipedia design is so...alien

rak1507

south korea being second is surprising to me

Dude coinheringaahing

That's the mobile design

user

Gabon seems to be ahead in terms of beer

@Dudecoinheringaahing ...I'm on my laptop

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Yes, but the link is en.m.wikipedia.org/...

user

20:53

Brunei seems to have the highest beer consumption per capita

@Dudecoinheringaahing Ohhh

Weird, I could swear I saw the same design on my laptop before, maybe Anush was the culprit then too

Dude coinheringaahing

I've posted a mobile wiki link here before

Might have been that

@user Keep in mind that those are percentages

user

Oh

i dum

ngn

@rak1507 they must be drinking a lot of soju

rak1507

other 78.5%, seems like it

how can the total percentages not add up to 100

unless there's overlap?

ngn

"unrecorded consumption" - how did wikipedia know..

Dude coinheringaahing

21:02

You can drink more than one type of alcohol :P

> The column "recorded" refers to the average recorded consumption for the period 2010. Unrecorded consumption (homebrew, moonshine, smuggled alcohol, surrogate alcohol etc.) was calculated using expert judgements and surveys

user

> expert judgements

ngn

and surveys :) "how much alcohol did you smuggle or distill illegally this year?" - "umm.. none" - "thank you very much"

emanresu A

21:36

Hi

rak1507

hi

emanresu A

This discussion is very random.

rak1507

bananas

user

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