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15:00
But you'd need to know that the old one was linear to check if the new one is sublinear
But I am testing the same function? I doubt it goes from linear to sublinear
@N3buchadnezzar that would tell you if it's O(1) in seconds, but each O(1) operation might take longer or less long. My approach would be to hook all functions that you want to class as O(1) so that they log their use in a database, and plot a graph of N against number of O(1) executions
This is like calculating the formula for acceleration due to gravity simply by looking at how much force is exerted on two boxes
@pxeger ...which would probably require a full-on emulator
every time I reply to myself and get a ping, it makes me jump even though I should really be expecting it
\o @RedwolfPrograms
15:02
@cairdcoinheringaahing mod nominations that get forcefully removed (not self-withdrawn) are not visible, even to mods
not sure why they show up in the query...
Wait, mod nominations can be forcefully removed?
What for?
@pxeger That just says "Oops! Something Bad Happened!" for me
@cairdcoinheringaahing not being 18, and things like that I'd guess?
@user exactly
Oh lol
the rare SE bug
15:03
@pxeger That was brought in less than a year ago
huh who knows then
@cairdcoinheringaahing being underage, having a bad history, non-serious nomination, etc
Perhaps spam?
Interesting that they're included in Posts
I'd expect them to only be in PostsWithDeleted
I'd expect them to not appear in the table at all... I can't even see them on the election page.
15:06
inb4 blame caching /s
SEDE has basically every single bit of information. Even Mego's posts are still there and still associated with "him". Aside from employees going into the database to change sensitive info, everything is kept
... apparently self-withdrawn nominations are also supposed to be hidden
yet you don't even need to be logged in to see them and the revision history
-moment
@hyper-neutrino Hang on, that's even weirder
CJY was employed at SE during the first PPCG election. Why would he have a removed nomination?
who knows
15:12
Why would WHO know? They don't keep track of this stuff, they just deal with health stuff
groan
I'll show myself out
please do
@cairdcoinheringaahing Perhaps he accidentally nominated himself and then removed it?
how would you accidentally nominate yourself?
15:14
@user Unlikely, but that would just be a withdrawn nomination, not a forceably removed one
Additionally, I don't think mods or staff can nominate themselves in elections
Plus:
> I decided not to run in the election
From here
let's ask Catja for another election solely to let HN test this hypothesis
@hyper-neutrino They also don't have a DeletionDate in the database
I'd ask on MM, but I get the feeling you've already asked either in TL or in the Mods Team :P
I asked in TL and another mod checked from an election where they know of a self-withdrawn candidate and a candidate that got booted out, and it seems consistent with my hypothesis.
But another mod said that from an election on their site, a self-withdrawn nomination is not visible, and Catija has said that self-removed ones shouldn't be visible either, apparently...
@TylerH There is no difference in what's displayed on the withdrawal notification if a person self-withdraws vs. an employee withdrawing them — Anita Taylor ♦ Apr 13 at 21:39
That indicates to me that all withdrawals, self or not, are either all shown or all hidden
hm...
could be just changes not applying retroactively or something like that
15:24
Oh, that's bad
The Body field of the nominations stays filled
yep, the history is publicly available
> <p>Hi, I'm RikerW. This post should go away soon, I just wanted to see my score. </p> <p>Hi, I'm RikerW. This post should go away soon, I just wanted to see my score. </p>
... how did you find this
query the body from SEDE?
and this was presumably self-withdrawn
15:28
I suppose so, I can't see that
and so the fact that it doesn't appear is probably just because the old election system sucked and was probably buggy as hell :p
And yet, I can see 3 withdrawn nominations on codegolf.stackexchange.com/election/1?tab=nomination
There are 10 nomination posts (1 fully hidden from Mego) shown there, including 3 faded out (withdrawn). 19 nominations appear on the SEDE query
> <p>This is a test to see if nomination drafts are saved. I'm going to type about 72 more characters to satisfy the minimum post limit for nominations. This is a sentence.</p>
My laptop should ship in the next few days, hopefully
yeah, so conclusion: there are like probably 3 bugs going on here :p
@cairdcoinheringaahing ?
15:36
That's one of the nominations from 2016 :P
@RedwolfPrograms whatcha getting?
@pxeger a laptop, probably
HP Envy 13, same I had before but with some better specs
May 25 at 2:24, by Redwolf Programs
Intel® Core™ i7-1165G7 (up to 4.7 GHz, 12 MB L3 cache, 4 cores) + 16 GB (onboard) + NVIDIA® GeForce® MX450 (2 GB )
13.3" diagonal FHD, IPS, BrightView, micro-edge, WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080)
512 GB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD + Intel® Optane™ memory 32 GB
HP 3 year w/Accidental Damage
Nothing super fancy, but enough to run Minecraft (and Atom) at respectable speeds :p
How old must a laptop be before one is allowed to upgrade without getting a bad conscience?
Depends on the laptop
15:40
and the conscience
@N3buchadnezzar Depends on how much money you have to waste
:p
(Or how much water damage it sustains due to your incompetence, in my case)
I do have a lot of dollarinos to spare
If you want to give your old laptop to me, you can upgrade anytime without getting a bad conscience :P
@N3buchadnezzar Aight time to rob N3buchadnezzar
But one who refers to their capital as dollarinos, is not adult enough to invest in a laptop.
For legal reasons that's a joke
@N3buchadnezzar Well, stupid people are easier to con :P
15:42
@RedwolfPrograms gonna keep it in bubble wrap from now on?
No, gonna not walk through very bad rainstorms without taking additional measures to protect from moisture
eh ok
Or break things further when trying to repair it
@RedwolfPrograms What about both together? :P
15:44
Atom actually was not slow at all on my old laptop, never noticed any lag even when I had MC and Chrome running
@N3buchadnezzar is that sufficiently sublinear for you?
@cairdcoinheringaahing Going to have to sell a lot more gaming bath water to afford such a machine.
5
@pxeger I am not sure :p
Like I think the blue line is logarithmic
the blue line looks like it starts to slope downward near the end
yeah, might be just some weird polynomial
or a combination of log(n) and some polynomial
Lets not question why I am trying to improve my even fibonacci sum function to be way too fast (the red line is the naive linear implementation)
15:47
Why use O(n^2) when you can have O(-n^2) :P
@N3buchadnezzar Gaming bath water?
N3 is Belle Delphine
Some gaming girl on twitch sold her bath water to her fans
Um
@cairdcoinheringaahing That you know her name of the top of your head deeply scares me.
15:48
I know plenty of stuff that makes me ask why I know it
@N3buchadnezzar Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?
I mean, I think it's quite common nowadays to at least know that name and the... interesting circumstances associated with it (the name) / her.
I'm pretty attentive and I have a good memory, so I know a lot of random facts like that
didn't belle delphine appear on critikal's podcast at one point
Thats it, I am quiting my job. Buying an inflatable swimming pool to start my twitch career
15:50
Oh wow, I just found an article by a guy who drank the bathwater
Oh yeah, that's what made it much more "famous" :P
@cairdcoinheringaahing O((-n)^2)
@user wasn't it tested, and they found no traces of human DNA in it?
that was probably just a meme, actually
I can't tell if it was crazy or a brilliant move
It was a brilliant troll :P
Water u doin
15:52
If I could sell water at $500 per cup (or whatever it was), I'd be set for life :P
@N3buchadnezzar ur mom hahhahaha rekkt!!!2!1
for life? you'd have to sell a lot of cups
Maybe 2 cups...
@rak1507 not an unreasonable amount, though
how much money do you reckon you'd need to go the rest of your life without working
15:53
depends on cost of living
@rak1507 Well, a happy side effect would be that caird would be very clean
@pxeger true
@rak1507 You can just keep selling them :P
Caird would look like the Michelin man
@cairdcoinheringaahing high iq
15:53
:58521242 ???
Do you really think selling water to suckers is a job :P
Nevermind, I forgot prisoners had to work too
@user 13th amendment be like
lol
Did anyone see that incredibly insane plan of using nukes in Africa to create a big damn to supply water to a lot of countries?
Never realised of course, but they got quite far in the planning
15:54
No, link?
> Rolling Stone [..] described [Belle Delphine] as "alien Disney princess porn star."
lmfao
That is probably one of the weirdest sentences I've ever read
But they are not wrong
15:57
@cairdcoinheringaahing Isn't that what water processing plant managers, vending machine owners, and plumbers do?
@RedwolfPrograms well only the second one of those
water plants sell water at a reasonable price, not to suckers
and I wouldn't say plumbers sell water
@RedwolfPrograms They don't sell exclusively to suckers :P
"Have some of our H20 infused water! Now with 20% more water!"
I bet plumbers and Delphine could probably form some sort of movies toghether
They sell access to water :p
15:58
@cairdcoinheringaahing I dunno, you have to be somewhat of a sucker to buy water from a vending machine
@user H20? That doesn't sound chemically stable
@N3buchadnezzar If you're going where I think you're going, please don't go there
@cairdcoinheringaahing My Gamer Girl Bath Water(TM) was a very smart purchase, actually
@user Try Diet Water Zero Lite, it only has 60 calories
The Zero refers to how much water is it in :P
16:00
@cairdcoinheringaahing I drink my water instead of sucking it
> Two scientists walk into a bar. The first says, "I'll have some H2O." The second says, "I'll have a glass of water too. Why did you say H2O? It's the end of the day and there's no need to talk about work." The first scientist stares at his drink, angry that his assassination plan has failed.
> Pornhub Insights published a statistics report detailing that Delphine's videos became the most-disliked in the website's history
That's brilliant :P
@cairdcoinheringaahing lmao
@N3buchadnezzar the classic, flipped around. I like it
Two scientists walk into a bar. The first says, "I'll have some H2O." The second says, "I'll have some H20 too." The waiter grumbles at the scientists saying "h20" instead of "water" but brings them both water because no sane restaurant just gives their customers H202 you dum-dum
Is that a two-zero instead of a two-oh?
16:02
@user H20? that's not even water! And H202 is even less
lol have I been typing 0 instead of O all this time?
Argh how the frick did I even make a typo like that
Probably drank too much gaming water
@user that's been the whole basic of my conversation for the past 2 minutes
I thought it was semideliberate
16:03
It wasn't lol, I'm just dumb
> Business Insider reported that [Delphine's] OnlyFans account draws in over $1.2 million (£1 million) per month.
Holy crap
tf lol
I mean, that's not actually too surprising TBH ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Someone asked how much would be enough to stop working. That amount will do. That amount will do.
idk, 1.2 million USD isn't quite enough to retire (unless you invest wisely maybe)
16:05
That's per month
Oh.
@user again, depends on your cost of living
And your age
In a year, that's $14.5 million, easily enough to live off until yuo do, assuming you're smart with it
I've got a 30% return on my investments yearly, but yeah. I should have started selling water instead
16:08
Plus, the more money you have the easier it is to make money
True
I'd invest it all in Blockbuster
on puts?
that's technically investment in, right?
In an English class in 8th grade, we were once asked what we'd do if we got a million dollars, and I said I'd buy Google ⍨
@user Google⍨? so Google would buy you?
16:10
@user i dont think that you can buy google with that much money
That's not how APL works but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Google made me anyway
@PyGamer0 Deppends on how old user is
@PyGamer0 you could buy Google stock
@PyGamer0 Yeah, took me a while to realize that
I reckon you could buy Google for a million bucks a few minutes after the company was founded
16:12
@pxeger Sure, but when I said it, I totally thought I could just buy the entire company and become CEO with that much money. It wasn't until my classmates went ಠ_ಠ that I realized Google was worth just a little more
@N3buchadnezzar Sadly, I did not own a million bucks back then
@N3buchadnezzar I think Larry and Sergey would be a little suspicious if it was only a few minutes after. They'd know you were up to something
@pxeger Besides, it's unlikely Google would be the same company in N3buchadnezzar's hands (no offense N3buchadnezzar)
true
16:41
im making the next googe
anyone wanna buy it for a million dollars
this is the last chance
Can I buy a million of it for one dollar instead?
as long as you pay first
sure
Do you accept golfcoin?
( i know thats not what you mean )
btw, anyone here actually plays golf?
wtf
16:51
@EliteDaMyth Yes, from time to time
who decided golf needed a cryptocurrency
@EliteDaMyth the occasional game of mini-golf, but that's it
Who decided Doge needed its own currency?
The Great Elon of Musk, who we must all worship as he acts like a 10 year old
@cairdcoinheringaahing I prefer to call him Elon Skum
@pxeger Personally, I have a strategy of ignoring him and anyone who likes him
It's not always an effective strategy tho :/
16:54
I feel bad for his latest kid, who decided it was a good idea to amke a kids name look like Jelly code?'
@RedwolfPrograms Does this mean OSP is down as well?
@N3buchadnezzar Running the kid's name in Jelly, with an integer x outputs |x| then -12: Try it online!
3
CMC: Choose a language. What does running your name (IRL or username, up to you) do in that language?
@cairdcoinheringaahing errors in ruby
@cairdcoinheringaahing It does nothing, just like me :P (seems to return the argument unchanged in Jelly)
@cairdcoinheringaahing Mine errors in Jelly, but if I give it a non-zero argument it returns 1.
@user Running user?
17:05
No, my irl name
user appears to make a range starting from 0?
Because of the r yeah
If run monadically, yes
If run dyadically, it should always return 0
I havent eaten dinner in like 3 days, wap wap
sudo make me food haa haa..
@N3buchadnezzar You said earlier you had lots of dollarinos to spare, what happened?
Maybe I have dollarinos because I dont eat. Hmmm mmmm
17:08
Ok your pfp is just disturbing
caird is a fun one to run in Jelly :P Try it online!
(at least, dyadically)
What does it do?
Ah
SGDQ is starting tommorow
17:13
@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes :/
Should be up by tonight though
@user cai is a 2,2,2 chain that is essentially, x == y
rd then calculates divmod(x, y), then r gets the ranges from (x == y) to both elements of the divmod
Interesting
hyper-neutrino is the same as trino because u is not defined so it just deletes the rest of the chain xD
And that fails for integer inputs :P
17:26
so since it begins with three dyads, v starts as x.strip(y), then we generate the range from that to x.index(y), and then check if that is inequal (vectorized) to x or y (vectorized)
so it's range(x.strip(y), x.index(y)) [!=] (x [or] y) ([] denotes vectorization)
r also vectorises remember
probably; wouldn't make sense to not
@cairdcoinheringaahing Jelly; niladic: [0, 1]; monadic: range 1 upto input; dyadic: nothing
niladically it is r(e(g(e(x(p(0, 0), 0), 0), 0), 0), 0)
monadically it's that but with the argument
17:33
@pxeger dyadic should produce an output with the same input on both sides I believe
and dyadically it's r(g(x(p(⍺, ⍵), e(⍺, ⍵)), e(⍺, ⍵)), ⍵) I believe
@pxeger I wonder how much Jelly outputs is needed before one ould reverse engineer the name
@cairdcoinheringaahing dyadically with 2 5 arguments produces the range upto 5, doubled in a pair, repeated 25 times
@N3buchadnezzar Jelly is not, all things considered, very high-entropy. For a given task, there is a huge number of programs that do it
Ok, so pxe run dyadically, for arguments and will output the cartesian square of the range . ge then replaces each integer with 1 and r then replaces the 1s with ranges to
Otherwise, it outputs a list of ⍺ × ⍵ empty lists
18:04
def remove_multiples(divisors):
    new_divisors = []
    for divisor in sorted(set(divisors)):
        if not any(divisor % d == 0 for d in new_divisors):
            new_divisors.append(divisor)
    return new_divisors
Can this be written as a single return statement?
A filter would be the easy way
If Python has that
It does
filter(predicate, array)
Wait, python has a mix of function(thing) and thing.function()?
@N3buchadnezzar This is just mapping a list of divisors to a list of prime divisors
At least JS is consistent
18:07
@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes?
I think we should pin pxeger's starred message because it's funny. Do we have a policy on that?
I need a policy on pinning a message about pinning the pinning policy.
@N3buchadnezzar So you should just be able to do f = lambda d: filter(is_prime, d) where is_prime is the standard Python prime checking lambda (lambda p: all(x%p for x in range(2,p)) I believe)
@cairdcoinheringaahing But I do not need them to be prime, I just need to make sure they are coprime
If you have a list of divisors and want to keep only those which are not multiples of other elements, you just want the prime elements
A prime checker seems slower than just checking % against the other elements :p (sorry for derailing the important convo about pinning the pins in pins)
18:13
Well if what you made is (unintentionally?) a prime checker, it can't be faster than a prime checker :p
So this just got posted, what's the appropriate response here?
I mean caird checks every numer from 2 up to p, I got like a a list of [2,3,4] numbers
The code appears to do significantly more than what is asked for, and appears to have propriety code in based on the comments
var p1r01 = document.getElementById('p1r01');
var p1r02 = document.getElementById('p1r02');
var p1r03 = document.getElementById('p1r03');
var p1r04 = document.getElementById('p1r04');
var p1r05 = document.getElementById('p1r05');
var p1r06 = document.getElementById('p1r06');
var p1r07 = document.getElementById('p1r07');
var p1r08 = document.getElementById('p1r08');
var p1r09 = document.getElementById('p1r09');
var p1r10 = document.getElementById('p1r10');
var p1r11 = document.getElementById('p1r11');
This goes on for 22 lines
Such golf :p
an answer should not be removed just because it is horrible, propriety code however is different.
18:17
I say it's invalid. It doesn't seem to actually do the task.
It's also over 56 KB, and the farthest from a serious contender I've ever seen
It also doesn't work because it depends on (nonexistent) HTML
@NewPosts Status
Looks like the back up bots are down :/
HN's copy is missing a lot of newer fixes :/
My server is up now!
@RedwolfPrograms did you push them
Can we get some close votes here?
@hyper-neutrino No, it'd be a lot of work to get it packaged up all nicely again and I don't remember what all I changed. I'm going to completely rewrite and improve it once I get my laptop, and I'll just open source it then.
18:34
wait can't you just like push everything you did lol
anyway, i always pull before starting my copy, so if it's ever outdated, blame redwolf :P
@hyper-neutrino If I used git, maybe
you do tho don't you?
you gave me the bots via private repo
just do git add --all; git commit -m '<insert descriptive commit message>'; git push
I just put it all in a repo really quickly to send to you, I don't use it though
@hyper-neutrino Save a few bytes with git -am '<insert descriptive commit message>' :P
Imagine not golfing your git commands smh
I golf them all down to 0 bytes
18:40
Genius
As a serious answer to the pinning policy thing, I just pin any announcements that aren't completely irrelevant or unimportant
I don't think any formal policy is necessary
18:55
Can i buy pins with bath water?
 
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21:16
Hi?
21:51
SE said they were discontinuing the app feeds 4 days ago, but my app feeds still work. Fair enough, can't complain :P
@cairdcoinheringaahing wait, what o.O yesterday when I loaded it it just had the meta post saying they were killing them, and today there's just nothing there
the random hot question shows up but there isn't anything in the feed anymore
22:27
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DjinTonicWhile playing card games like bridge, spades, and hearts with friends, we wondered: what is the average number of 13-card random hands one player must be dealt to have held at some point all 13 cards of a given suit, say spades? While programming a simulation, I realized there are seven probabili...

@cairdcoinheringaahing for that cartesian product n times challenge, would combination w/ replacements count as a builtin and thus be disallowed?
@hyper-neutrino ^^
@Underslash Why are you asking me?
well, you answered it and you're also pretty knowledgeable about this stuff (also its a couple years old so i'd doubt I'd get an answer)
I'd think not, given that "Built in functions that compute the Cartesian product or Cartesian power are not allowed" is the only ban
22:34
ok, appreciate it
At least this builtin ban is 100% clear on what is and isn't allowed :P
@hyper-neutrino iOS or Android?
22:57
@cairdcoinheringaahing android
also what's this about the cartesian product challenge? which challenge?
is this one of the JHT problems

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