The Nineteenth Byte

12:02 AM

> Jelly, 1 byte: l Licks the nearest plane according to your geographical coordinates when run

I like when I paste a Sandbox draft into the "Ask question" page and it suggests 3 of my own challenges as duplicates :/

Bubbler

It happens to me too, though most of the time they're only superficially similar

caird coinheringaahing

12:20 AM

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Q: Reconstruct a recursively prime-encoded integer

Recursively prime-encoded integers Consider \$11681169775023850 = 2 \times 5 \times 5 \times 42239 \times 5530987843\$. This isn't a nice prime factorisation, as \$42239\$ and \$5530987843\$ make it difficult to store this factorisation in a small manner. Being primes, we can't then factorise the...

As it appears the bots are down (@RedwolfPrograms, @hyper-neutrino)

hyper-neutrino

well this is concerning

the bots are responding to status requests correctly

okay so I'm running my iteration of the bots right now, if there's double posting just ping me and trash the messages or smth

caird coinheringaahing

This could do with a final close vote

hyper-neutrino

i'm busy so I can't guarantee i'm here 100% of the time to babysit the bots

if you check the sandbox, there are two instances running, but since redwolf's isn't posting messages here, i'm assuming its sockets are broken and it'll just stay non-functional

caird coinheringaahing

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Q: Pointers/help for hosting my own programming language (with an interpreter written in Python)

I recently released my own programming language, Rattle, and now I'm looking to find somewhere to host it. It's already on the TIO waiting list but I don't think it'll get added any time in the near future (it's already been a year or so). Rattle's interpreter is written in Python as of right now...

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New meta post - VTC as not on topic?

I've voted to close this as off topic as this isn't about Code Golf and Coding Challenges or it's main site. Feel free to ask for help on Stack Overflow or in chat, but meta isn't the appropriate place for such help questions — caird coinheringaahing 23 secs ago

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing any target for the new challenge for jelly

caird coinheringaahing

12:32 AM

@hyper-neutrino No, I didn't bother to solve it

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing VTD as Dupe

caird coinheringaahing

12:42 AM

@hyper-neutrino Correction: 9 bytes

hyper-neutrino

sadge

caird coinheringaahing

Spoiler: there's a 2 byte way of checking if an element is a list or not

hyper-neutrino

done :p

caird coinheringaahing

Otherwise, mine's the same except for µ -> $ :P

hyper-neutrino

ah yeah i had extra stuff earlier and didn't want to have to re-copy the combinator so i just put a link separator down :P

caird coinheringaahing

12:47 AM

@hyper-neutrino Your explanation seems to be off a bit :P

hyper-neutrino

fixed? i think? :p

i have a 7-byter in yuno (some features were implemented after this challenge but they are pretty standard) but it's the same as my jelly approach

should i just add it to my jelly one or post it

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lyxal

1:15 AM

@hyper-neutrino you might want to make the links from yuno not go to localhost...

exhibit A and exhibit B

hyper-neutrino

1:55 AM

bruh

i thought i switched to the prod server to generate the permalinks lol

lyxal

gamer

Sandbox Posts

2:24 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Number of distinct shadow transforms code-golf sequence math number-theory Background Shadow transform of a 0-based integer sequence \$a(n)\$ is another 0-based integer sequence \$s(n)\$ defined with the following equation: $$ s(n) = \sum_{i=0}^{n-1}{(1 \text{ if } n \text{ divides } a(i), 0 \tex...

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4:52 AM

:<)

hyper-neutrino

→ 16 messages moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

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Pounds of flour please?

Or ounces of sugar?

Wasif

hey why Nineteenth Bakery attempts to translate from Indonesian????

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That's kinda obvious.

smarnav

Wait, did one of my posts get started?

Wasif

4:58 AM

where?

hyper-neutrino

@smarnav yes, these two

assuming you meant "starred", based on you getting the Talkative badge

Wasif

plus why all messages in 19th bakery is starred?

hyper-neutrino

because someone felt like star-spamming

and it's the trash room, so I don't care

PyGamer0

5:23 AM

CMQ: Is sinh, cosh and tanh useful (in code golfing of course)?

Adám

I don't think I've ever used them in coding at all, even though APL has them as easily available as sin/cos/tan.

hyper-neutrino

i can't even remember if i've used them in my uni math courses so far lol

and i'm quite confident i've never used them in coding much less golfing before

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tanh was used in ash's flost division

tsh is a genius

AviFS

5:39 AM

@PyGamer0 I also vote definitely not, given the things you can add instead

hyper-neutrino

if you're making a golfing language it probably wouldn't hurt to add them as digraphs

PyGamer0

i have sin cos tan and their inverses done

Razetime

wooo

Adám

@PyGamer0 What are their symbols?

PyGamer0

ms for sin mc for cos mt for tan and mS for arcsin and so on

Adám

5:46 AM

@PyGamer0 Would something like this be an idea? A single symbol for all of them, and a number as a selector. Gives you plenty of functions with just two chars.

Razetime

in a stack based language, taking two number arguments oftentimes involves a space

hyper-neutrino

you don't need to take two arguments tho

although, unless you have more than 256, i think a digraph would probably work better for most applications

though you might have situations where being able to take some input as a numerical representation and get a corresponding function can be golfy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Adám

Well, numeric selectors have the benefit of allowing you to e.g. map over them, so in APL you can get the "area" of an angle A (sin A×cos A) with ×/1 2○A or even 1 2×.○A

Razetime

hm, making that sounds complex,but it's pretty neat

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@Razetime isn't that only if you're writing out both of them

Razetime

5:53 AM

yep

Unrelated String

...so that's the rationale for apl doing trig that way

because the kind of thing you might need one of those functions for you're just as likely to need multiple of them for

Adám

Try e.g. a trig table with ¯9 1 2 3∘.○.1×⍳31

Unrelated String

i feel like borrowing that seems like a great idea for stack languages

PyGamer0

what does ⊤ and ⊥ mean?

Wasif

@PyGamer0 not much

cos, sin tan and their inverse co. sometimes useful

But the hyperbolic ones not sp much

@Ausername wasn't that invented by Delfad0r

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6:04 AM

Oh maybe

Idk

Bubbler

6:16 AM

Any feedback?

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They all look good.

Bubbler

Thanks.

AviFS

Does anyone know how to 'escape' in V, the vim-golf lang?

@Bubbler I think the first one could benefit from an example of actually generating the first few terms

But the others look great!

PyGamer0

how to convert my language to use SBCS

Wasif

@PyGamer0 define a SBCS first

while parsing, only execute token if it is in SBCS

otherwise error or do nothing

do nothing is best

PyGamer0

6:31 AM

ok

Wasif

when writing byte counter, count 1 byte for each token in SBCS, for other tokens count more bytes

PyGamer0

@Wasif hmmm ok then

i will add that later

Wasif

nice

be sure to choose beautiful glyphs

and of course include printable ASCII in your SBCS

lyxal

@Wasif the idea of a SBCS is that if you gave it raw bytes, it would still work. The fancy glyphs are just a convenient representation

Hence why it's only 256 chars

Wasif

yeah

I meant choosing such characters that are easy to remember

lyxal

6:39 AM

@PyGamer0 github.com/Lyxal/Vyxal/blob/master/encoding.py

Here's how

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6:59 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Min/max unique characters code-challenge Write a program which maximises the amount of unique characters in its input while minimising the number of unique characters in its source. The program must halt. Functions for converting a character code to its character in any encoding is disallowed. Yo...

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7:28 AM

@PyGamer0 yeah, I don't think you need to know those

like, at all

as a math fanatic, they don't come up very often, if at all

lyxal

@wasif new profile picture?

PyGamer0

looks like it

StackMeter

def

@lyxal what if I have 257+ commands?

lyxal

@StackMeter digraphs

256 chars doesn't necessarily mean 256 commands max

you can have overloads too

wasif

@lyxal yeah

lyxal

7:34 AM

epic

wasif

@StackMeter you can have them too

you need to count two byte per all if you need non diagraphs

@lyxal thx

StackMeter

eh, I'll take the 2 byter's

PyGamer0

is whitespace counted as SBCS

Bubbler

and many of the chars should have some form of "syntactic effect", which means they may be not quite "commands". Simple concatenation of flat commands can only get so far

PyGamer0

like should i add that in my codepage

wasif

7:36 AM

@PyGamer0 yes

Bubbler

If you intend to use whitespace in the source code, it should definitely be in the codepage

wasif

you need to add whitespace in codepage

but don't set whitespace to any command

that will be irritating

Bubbler

Not having space in the SBCS means your code is not allowed to have spaces. Same goes for newlines

StackMeter

just make space and newline

PyGamer0

ok

StackMeter

7:37 AM

do nothing

lyxal

Is δ (double vectorise) just outer product in 05AB1E?

Bubbler

Sounds like one of zipwith or outer product

wasif

bye for now

lyxal

@Bubbler turns out it's zipwith

Sandbox Posts

7:57 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

The Great Betting Game code-golf game Your task is to create either a console "app" or a function which allows the user to bet on certain numbers or retract a bet. Bets Your program or function will prompt for a command after an action, and the bet is the most important, crucial to the operatio...

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depending on how your syntax works newline should probably do something
space doing nothing is conventional but (again depending on how your syntax works) you could consider making it more than a token separating nop--could be as simple as being the actual identity function which you can then apply your adverbs to, or maybe it could do whatever the hell it does in japt

i'm personally considering space being equivalent to jelly's µ

PyGamer0

8:14 AM

no space does nothing; (except in strings where it acts as a ... space). Newline termintates comments.

Unrelated String

are you entirely sure you even want comments

2

they can be handy (if occasionally a bit lame) for source layout stuff but :/

i guess there's no real reason not to have a digraph for comments but i would recommend against spending an entire codepoint on them

lyxal

Comments are cool

I have a dedicated comment character

You totally should too

Razetime

i say if you're making a golfing language don't bother with comments

vyxal's main shtick is being readable and having normal language things

Bubbler

J, one of the 1st gen "golflangs", has a trigraph for line comment

Razetime

wouldn't recommend it for other langs

Bubbler

8:28 AM

NB.

AviFS

Never noticed that was three charas

rak1507

apl uses ~~amogus~~ lamp, ⍝

lyxal

@AviFS "Charas"

That has a whole totally different meaning for undertale fans

@rak1507 sussy 😳😳😳😳🤣

Unrelated String

have some real fun and make your comment dodecagraph PLEASE DON'T

Razetime

@lyxal Adám Genocide route?!?!?!?!

PyGamer0

8:37 AM

well; i am at a good stage for my lang.
here is an answer to https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/228953/create-an-ascii-line-given-a-length

lyxal

@Razetime snanms ungertanil

rak1507

:58408214 that's a lot more bytes than ＼ :P

PyGamer0

ī;©(;®-⊢p `×p\`+ṭ-1), 20 chars (SBCS)

rak1507

is it meant to be a golfing lang?

PyGamer0

maybe

rak1507

8:39 AM

not very short

PyGamer0

wow my answer beat julia

Razetime

they probably need to golf it more

Adám

@Razetime ?

Razetime

@Adám sans

lyxal

@Adám Sans from undertale, who you only fight if you do a genocide route

Also, dang, I just got out golfed in my own language. I went to do pygamer's challenge in Vyxal and got 10 bytes with 3 flags, only to see that hyper has 4 bytes with 2 flags and that a stone arachnid has 6 bytes with 1 flag. Amazing

Razetime

8:46 AM

@lyxal boo explaining it

lyxal

@Razetime Adam doesn't seem like the kind of person who knows what undertale is

PyGamer0

well here is the explaination of the thing:

ī      # Input (STDIN) and push to stack
;      # Dup the top of the stack
©(     # Copy the top into registor and start while loop
  ;    # Dup the top of the stack
  ®    # Push the registor on the stack
  -    # Subtract
  ⊢    # Get the absolute value
  p `  # Push ' ' to the stack
  ×    # Multiply the top 2 elements on the stack
  p\`  # Push '\'
  +    # Add top 2 elements
  ṭ    # Pop and print top of stack
  -1   # Subtract from top of the stack
)      # End of while loop

Adám

@lyxal I think someone mentioned it before in connection with Sans, but I forgot already.

I'm not a very well-educated person when it comes to modern culture. The other kids made fun of me in high school, for not knowing about pop music etc.

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/230269/103854 <- i can use for explaining

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9:02 AM

@lyxal I honestly had that exact answer, then saw hyper's.

StackMeter

how does one make nested bullet point lists when writing a question

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