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If y'all want to check out the 5 most recent Codidact challenges, visit ^ :P

hyper-neutrino

SE chat should check if the feed item was posted within the past 24 hours and only post it if so. Oh wait, then meta posts would get skipped.

pxeger

chuckle

Redwolf Programs

Onions?

caird coinheringaahing

@ngn Codidact does use Unicornify as its default profile pictures

totallyhuman

heh some overstepped boundaries on the first one

Redwolf Programs

20:06

The original does cheat with some weird pixel stuff too

totallyhuman

yeah i see some of it

i ended up with this but i think yours is better

ah it's the braces hugging the circle instead of the trophy

caird coinheringaahing

ok, is anyone else working on any suggestions? If not, I'll start a quick poll

Please vote on what you think the Feed's profile picture should be

4

I'll unpin that in a bit once voting's closed :P

totallyhuman

i tried changing my avatar to check what it looks like but seemingly it doesn't update very quickly

Redwolf Programs

Blame caching :p

You can get HN to refresh it if you want

Aaron Miller

shouldiblamecaching.com

totallyhuman

20:15

oh?

hyper-neutrino

i strongly dislike that the "refresh profile from site" button is right above the "suspend user" button

only one of the two has a confirmation popup - guess which one it is

totallyhuman

lol

it's changed in the bottom left but not in chat

interesting

hyper-neutrino

1 min ago, by Aaron Miller

https://shouldiblamecaching.com/

caird coinheringaahing

Changed in chat for me

hyper-neutrino

also 0/10 not approval voting

totallyhuman

20:16

yeah a rejoin did it for me too

Redwolf Programs

Dang, I should've had my logging running to see what event that was

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ strawpoll works well enough ;P

Redwolf Programs

Let's do IRV :p

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing it literally takes 1 click to enable "allow multiple poll answers"

Redwolf Programs

> ,"message_owner_stars":1}

That's what a pin looks like

In the code

You can tell if it was pinned by the author or not

caird coinheringaahing

20:19

@NewPosts Status

New Posts

RUNNING: [1] 1 1

[14:40:16] ws: wss://chat.sockets.stackexchange.com/events/240/ef5ddf2dd70547a9b688fa9ed369a621?l=125594669
[14:40:16] opened: sandbox
[20:19:04] status: 240

caird coinheringaahing

You sure?

Redwolf Programs

Wdym?

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms I just posted a challenge, and yet I do not see that challenge here in chat :P

totallyhuman

heh i definitely remember that

Redwolf Programs

20:20

Odd, seems like the watch socket is dead?

caird coinheringaahing

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Q: Demonstrate some advanced abstract algebra

Consider a binary operator \$*\$ that operates on a set \$S\$. For simplicity's sake, we'll assume that \$*\$ is closed, meaning that its inputs and outputs are always members of \$S\$. This means that \$(*, S)\$ is a magma Let's define some basic terms describing the properties of \$*\$. We can ...

Fine, I'll do it myself :P

totallyhuman

...unless stuff has changed and it has gotten faster

and this is an unusual occurence

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman We replaced the feeds with near-instant bots :P

totallyhuman

ahh

caird coinheringaahing

Posting on main/meta/sandbox now usually gets a onebox within a second

Jun 11 at 18:16, by Redwolf Programs

If someone can get NP or SP to post something with a score other than 0 I'll give them $10 in brownie points (I'm not sure if it's possible honestly)

totallyhuman

20:25

well

today might be the day

or it just never posts it

that's also an option :P

hyper-neutrino

it's just broken, redwolf's fixing it :p

caird coinheringaahing

I think Redwolf's made it so that if it detects the post has already been oneboxed, it doesn't post it :P

hyper-neutrino

it sometimes does that but overall it's usually good. also ^

Redwolf Programs

It's not going to post it, it just missed it

The socket stopped sending stuff

I'm going to configure it to auto-close every few hours to fix that

caird coinheringaahing

I have to say, one of my favourite things here is that whenever someone creates a useful resource (think TIO), we try to come up with challenges based around it/breaking it :P

New Posts

20:31

Hi!

caird coinheringaahing

Has the robot uprising begun?

Redwolf Programs

Hopefully :p

Aaron Miller

I just had a really good idea for a multi-dimensional language, but when I went to write stuff down, I immediately forgot it. :(

Thomas Ward

@AaronMiller that's 'cause it ended up in the other dimensions you don't exist in xD

:P

A username

RRREEDDWOOOOOOOLLLLFFFF!1!111!1!111!!1!!

Redwolf Programs

20:44

Only works when you ping one of the bots specifically :p

And you're not listed as one of the trusted users anyway :p

user

20:56

I just got the Yearling badge!

Redwolf Programs

Nice!

TIL setTimeout can be used as eval

hyper-neutrino

yay, more reasons to hate js

user

...what?

Redwolf Programs

setTimeout("console.log(4)", 200);

user

I don't know if that's beautiful or disgusting

Redwolf Programs

20:59

It's both!

user

It always is with JS

Redwolf Programs

(It works with setInterval as well)

var f = (a, a, b) => a + a + b;

console.log(f(1, 2, 4));

Aw man, it errors

user

Disgusting, a real language would do 2 + 2 + 4

:P

Redwolf Programs

var f = function (a, a, b) {return a + a + b};

console.log(f(1, 2, 4));

Now it does!

Apparently functions and arrow functions handle it differently

user

lol what does it even do

Redwolf Programs

21:02

8

hyper-neutrino

ಠ_ಠ

user

Makes sense

totallyhuman

i'd have to agree

hyper-neutrino

that's the only way it makes sense, assuming this should be allowed

Redwolf Programs

The weird thing is it working with function but not arrow functions

user

21:03

I was kinda hoping it'd throw an error saying 1 and 2 aren't equal :(

@RedwolfPrograms Bug with the implementation?

Redwolf Programs

Probably not

new function(){};

Guess what that returns?

user

I assume it's parsed as new (function(){});?

Redwolf Programs

Yep

user

I get Object { }, which kinda makes sense?

It's like an empty class, so...

Redwolf Programs

Yep, it's old school OOJS :p

user

21:05

Obscenely Orange JavaScript?

Redwolf Programs

new Function(new Function("return 4") + "return anonymous()")();

That probably will not work cross browser

And I'm not sure if it working or not working would be worse

user

Firefox gives 4

Wow, the default name for a function is anonymous? What if there's another anonymous in scope?

Redwolf Programs

People die

The price of grain goes up

totallyhuman

Anonymous the 2nd

Redwolf Programs

Governments fall

user

21:09

Chrome just says Uncaught EvalError, which is good, I think

Redwolf Programs

Really? It works on chrome for me

user

> Uncaught EvalError: Refused to evaluate a string as JavaScript because 'unsafe-eval' is not an allowed source of script in the following Content Security Policy directive: "script-src chrome://resources chrome://test

Redwolf Programs

Weird, where are you running it?

user

The console

Where did you run it?

Looks like the Function constructor is just straight-up banned

Redwolf Programs

Version?

var r=f=>Function((f+"").split("\n").map(l=>l.split("//").slice(1).join("//")).join("\n"))();

r(() => {
    console.log("Run"); // console.log("Not run");
});

user

21:13

@RedwolfPrograms 91

Redwolf Programs

What site are you running it on? about:blank?

user

@RedwolfPrograms Oh is that the thing where comments are kept in the string version?

@RedwolfPrograms Just the homepage where the search bar shows up

Redwolf Programs

That's for security reasons. Do it on a different page.

user

Oh, it works on stackoverflow.com, I guess it was just the page

Redwolf Programs

I recommend about:blank

user

21:15

Chrome returns 4 too, which is pretty sensible

What did you mean when you said it wouldn't work cross-browser? Does Safari or some other browser do weird stuff?

Redwolf Programs

Stringifying functions doesn't seem like it'd be standardized

idk

@user That takes a function as input, and only runs commented code :p

user

...

caird coinheringaahing

21:35

Glorfindel's response to his mod appointment :)

Redwolf Programs

21:49

We should probably start editing the blog post now (or soon), it's supposed to be released some time tomorrow

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I look forward to reading about his opinions on stroopwafels and eenhoorns

Redwolf Programs

We'll need to write an intro to this post, probably a conclusion too, then just paste it all together and fix a few things

caird coinheringaahing

I just reread mine, and I think the first paragraph is a good, neutral intro

Redwolf Programs

You missed a link: ... rather than the [Jelly] answers ... (par. 2)

caird coinheringaahing

Noticed and fixed :P

@RedwolfPrograms Would you be ok to whip up a short conclusion?

Redwolf Programs

21:54

Sure, shouldn't take too long.

I'll go ahead and combine everything into a single file, then append the conclusion to that. Then we can make any necessary edits in one place.

caird coinheringaahing

Sounds good

user

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 30 secs ago, by forest distrusts StackExchange

I mean, it's still better than writing JavaScript.

^ This was about a legacy C compiler

caird coinheringaahing

Javascript hate is universal :P

user

Shhh, don't tell Redwolf, ophact, and the other JS users here :P

caird coinheringaahing

Even JS users hate JS, they just hate it less than other languages :P

Redwolf Programs

22:00

I hate JS but that doesn't mean I don't really like it

Sandbox Posts

22:13

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Output the time I need to wait till Friday, in seconds; or zero if it's already Friday. Your program shouldn't run for more than 1s on a reasonable computer. (This avoids someone waits till Friday and outputs 0) Shortest code in each language wins.

Redwolf Programs

I'm not sure how to wrap up the conclusion.

hyper-neutrino

Any nominations for underrated answers to draw attention to?

I might have time to throw something together for that :P

Redwolf Programs

So far I just have a brief summary of the points for both sides, but if I end it there it just seems sudden.

> Golfing languages have both good and bad impacts on the site as a whole. They can be discouraging to new users, who don't yet know the rules regarding competition between languages. Despite trivializing many challenges, it could be argued that these sorts of challenges are already quite trivial. Although they are often significantly shorter, golfing languages can still be difficult and interesting to golf in.

caird coinheringaahing

Maybe something like this to end it:

> Whether you believe that golfing languages encourage creative thinking, or that they make it more difficult for newer users to get started, the fact that this site allows any language undeniably sets it apart from other golfing communities

Redwolf Programs

That sounds good.

caird coinheringaahing

22:23

> Our next blog post will be on <date>, be sure to check it out!

Redwolf Programs

Not sure if HN will have the underappreciated answers section, so that bit might go after that

caird coinheringaahing

Ah yeah, that bit as well :P

New Posts

22:38

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Q: Binomial transform

Background Binomial transform is a transform on a finite or infinite integer sequence, which yields another integer sequence. The binomial transform of a sequence \$\{a_n\}\$ is given by $$s_n = \sum_{k=0}^{n}{(-1)^k \binom{n}{k} a_k}$$ It has an interesting property that applying the transform t...

code-golf math sequence integer

hyper-neutrino

is this related to color triangle? :p

Bubbler

Very superficially :P

rak1507

trying to figure out if there's some sort of clever scan or reduction that is better than a naive port of the formula

Bubbler

Protip: Read the linked Wikipedia article.

rak1507

oh

Bubbler

22:47

I guess there's a very nice solution in K (not tried yet)

caird coinheringaahing

I'm gonna be ninja'd by my own crappy wifi :/

hyper-neutrino

found 7 bytes :p

Bubbler

Lol, all the Jelly rush

@hyper-neutrino I have 5

hyper-neutrino

bruh

am I looking at the wrong relation? lol

rak1507

I wish the forward difference bit did s3 as well

bc I'm confused

Bubbler

22:58

Hint: Get out of Ƥ :P

hyper-neutrino

lol wait im dumb

ok so I have six now cuz of an extra 0 lol

yay 5 bytes \o/

Bubbler

Yes, exactly what I had

rak1507

@Bubbler I assume it's not acceptable to have a null value at the end

caird coinheringaahing

I was convinced there is some scan based answer, as there looks to be a pretty basic recursive formula on Wikipedia

Just, for some reason, it's presented in a weird format

Bubbler

@rak1507 It doesn't have a null at the end, does it?

rak1507

23:02

no, my k answer does and -1_ is a whole 3 bytes!

Bubbler

Oh :P

hyper-neutrino

alright, now time to see the distribution of how many answers port mine, how many use the same approach, and how many have another approach :p

rak1507

k answer: -1_*'{1_--':x}\

can actually be -1_*'(1_--':)\

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