The Nineteenth Byte

Catija

00:14

:/

user

@Bubbler The binomial transform looks pretty good. I don't understand it, but I'm sure others will

Wait, that's just finding the binomial coefficient with extra stuff. I'm not sure how interesting the extra stuff will be

Are there interesting ways to do a binomial transform that don't involve the same binomial coefficient code from other challenges?

Bubbler

00:46

It is possible without calculating the binomial coefficients at all

user

Oh cool, I take back my second message then :P

AviFS

I'm rebelling! Posting a question without running it by anyone. You'll be the first to see it in 3,2,1...

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Q: Mr. Binary Counterman

Mr. Binary Counterman Mr. Binary Counterman, son of Mr. Boolean Masker & Mrs. Even Oddify, follows in his parents’ footsteps and has a peculiar way of keeping track of the digits. When given a list of booleans, he counts the 1s and 0s separately, numbering the 1s with the odds & the 0s with the e...

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hyper-neutrino

01:39

@cairdcoinheringaahing screw you and your "being smart" thing :(

that's a very clever solution tho good job +1

caird coinheringaahing

Now that Avi's edited in an explanation, it looks like we had the same approach tbh :/

hyper-neutrino

oh, lol

well, if you get the same / better algorithm as OP, consider that a compliment ig :D

smarnav

Good morning

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing I know, haha! I just commented that

caird coinheringaahing

@smarnav Morning!

Welcome to the Nineteenth Byte!

AviFS

01:44

And I was about to do the same thing in Jelly. Though I don't think I would've gotten it that short even doing the same thing

hyper-neutrino

@smarnav Firstly, welcome to TNB! Does CBL happen to have any interpreter available yet?

AviFS

You might have the winning answer, I wonder if anyone can beat 10. Nice!

Oh sorry, welcome @smarnav!

hyper-neutrino

waiting for Jonathan Allan to get 7 or smth

smarnav

I am new to code golf, and I was wondering if a challenge I was thinking about has any validity

hyper-neutrino

or Bubbler with another funny base conversion thing :P

caird coinheringaahing

01:45

Husk's builtin odd/even infinite lists might win

hyper-neutrino

oh, true

yeah I was actually thinking husk probably has a much more direct way of doing this

actually, the enumerate into 0/1 list thing was something I was thinking about for the tic-tac-toe challenge. did that happen to inspire this challenge, @AviFS? :P

just out of curiosity

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing But not sure how you'd use that

@hyper-neutrino Darn, I've been caught!

How did you know?!?!

hyper-neutrino

because I was thinking of something very similar :P

AviFS

Haha, that's too funny

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS Jelly, 11 bytes CÄḤ×Ɗ+ÄḤ’×Ʋ. Direct translation of your APL answer that's the same as my first approach :P

AviFS

01:46

Yeah, I was thinking for tic tac toe that it'd be very easy

hyper-neutrino

two board configurations are enough to cover all even/odd cases in each possible slot (with rotation / flipping)

AviFS

You compress a 9-long boolean list

hyper-neutrino

yep :p

AviFS

And then depending on whether you're given an even/odd number at an even/odd position

You negate the list

And then just fill in the numbers

hyper-neutrino

yeah, something like that :P

AviFS

01:47

But it turned out I got really stuck on doing that last part well

It seemed like such a simple transformation, and yet...

So that's the origin story. And I could've used it to cheat on the other, once you guys optimize this part. I've been caught!

smarnav

@hyper-neutrino Unfortunately not, since I have a lot of other work, and also I am questioning coming up with it, since making interpreters seems a lot more difficult than I thought. I think I still will try, but CBL might not look anything how it looks now when I am done. one issue that I am on the fence with is the 2d main array. anyway, I really hope to get the interpreter done, maybe over the summer.

hyper-neutrino

@smarnav Ah, okay, I see. I was just wondering - we actually define languages by their implementation here (not by their specs, because interpreter bugs are considered to be part of the language features and behavior), so I'm not sure about the validity of your CBL answers as a result of that.

smarnav

that is very true and makes a lot of sense.

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh wow! So it might not have been so bad

How did you shave off the last byte?

Nevermind, I see the 10byte solution is significantly different!

I'll just go learn Jelly, and come back later haha

Was it a good challenge?

hyper-neutrino

time to advertise again

Jelly Hypertraining

Practice your Jelly :) Rules and stuff are here: golfingsucces...

@AviFS I found it quite enjoyable. Getting beaten by 33% was less enjoyable :P but that challenge was good!

caird coinheringaahing

01:54

Ä (cumsum) vectorises at depth 1 (aka doing it on [A, B] where A and B are lists, it does Ä on both A and B), so I pair it with its complement, do Ä and Ḥ (unhalve) on each, decrement elements in the first one and multiply each by the original elements. Finally, I take the column-wise sum

smarnav

I specifically joined, since I was wondering if "Write an interpreter for a stripped-down version of COBOL in the language of your choice" would be a good idea, for a code-golf style challenge, since for some reason I am really interested in COBOL. I am kind of ok if this is a bad idea, since as I myself realized, interpreting is hard. please let you know what you think.

hyper-neutrino

@hyper-neutrino if you ever have any questions about jelly or want to learn how to use it, feel free to request access to here :D

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS Yeah it was fun :)

AviFS

@hyper-neutrino Awesome! So glad

@hyper-neutrino Thanks, it's the worst...

I'm already a member

Or was...?

Yeah, still have access

Just hardly have done anything

hyper-neutrino

oh yeah, didn't notice :P nice!

AviFS

01:56

Thanks! And thanks for the invite! I keep meaning and wanting to pick it up. And keep not...

hyper-neutrino

@smarnav That sounds like it could be a decent idea, though note that "interpret this" questions sometimes become boring and less interesting than just tedious - if done right, it can be very enjoyable and offer a lot of clever approaches though. It seems too complex for me to just assess here, so I'd recommend putting it in the Sandbox for more feedback

AviFS

It's one of the many langs on my learning list. But IDK when I'll prioritize it more

smarnav

ok

hyper-neutrino

@AviFS haha, it took me quite a while to commit to Jelly and learn it too. It can be difficult. but since you seem to already have a good hang of APL at least the tacit concept won't be foreign, and learning chaining can be counterintuitive but it's consistent and you can just refer to the tutorial's chaining rules

the main part about any golfing languages is learning how a weird roundabout solution can have a shorter solution due to built-ins, and how you can use that to your advantage

AviFS

Yeah, it seems super fun!!

J has been on my todo list for ages longer, and I haven't even learned that. It's really sad, haha

hyper-neutrino

01:59

I could look into learning J :P it looks pretty cool

caird coinheringaahing

I always want to look into learning more languages, but I've forgotten how my own languages work, so I never really bother :P

AviFS

I get super excited and download a million books, read about it a bunch, play around with it meaninglessly through the first few bits of the tutorials, and then I'm onto the next craze, haha. Can others relate?

Redwolf Programs

I've spent so much time with JS learning another language is impossible

AviFS

laaaammmmeeeeee

caird coinheringaahing

I get that with Python + Jelly

AviFS

02:04

Joy is another one I've been really meaning to

caird coinheringaahing

They're distinct enough that I can remember how to code in each, but as soon as I throw in a new one I get confused :P

Redwolf Programs

I just can't stand it when a language decides to do something sensibly instead of letting me commit horrific atrocities in order to do perfectly ordinary and sensible things

Also I like how if (new Boolean(false)) console.log("true"); works :p

AviFS

hahaha, can't blame you there

we're all masochists at heart, after all

hyper-neutrino

well, we are code golfers, so yes... :P

AviFS

that's just what i meant, haha

Redwolf Programs

02:07

When you golf the code, the code golfs you

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AviFS

Only in Soviet Russia

(Does that joke mean anything to anyone?)

caird coinheringaahing

Yep (I'm old :/)

Redwolf Programs

(Yes, from lots of time reading YT comments :p)

hyper-neutrino

yep, I've heard the soviet russia joke plenty of times :P i don't recall if i've actually seen the source though

AviFS

Wikipedia backs me up here!

Oh, phew!!

I spend way too much time in YT comments, but never noticed it there!

Redwolf Programs

02:09

"In soviet russia, potato farm you" is one I found under a minecraft potato farm video :p

hyper-neutrino

"In Russia, game plays you" is a voiceline in Overwatch :P

lyxal

what the heck did I just watch? [non-explicit mild nsfw]

caird coinheringaahing

Honestly, if that's Lyxal's reaction, I'm not sure I want to click that

Bubbler

Git gud, golflangs :P

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal Quality content, that's what

hyper-neutrino

02:17

@Bubbler o.O

caird coinheringaahing

Ugh, Jelly's zero indexing will make that long

hyper-neutrino

what was the trick for grade down again?

since jelly doesn't have it (:()

Redwolf Programs

I want to try this in Risky :p

I just thought of a really smart way to do it, actually.

Bubbler

@hyper-neutrino Grade up of boolean negation should do it

hyper-neutrino

ah, alright. negate grade-up should work in general right?

i think that's what user suggested

bobble

02:21

Just so y'all know, I'm disappointed at your lack of controversy for my proposal :)

Bubbler

Not in general, just for boolean input

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler You have a 0 in your output

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing It is allowed (which is written in the middle of the challenge)

caird coinheringaahing

Did not see that :P

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing Your output looks totally wrong

caird coinheringaahing

02:23

Err...

Explain yourself Jelly

hyper-neutrino

tf

Bubbler

That's the intended behavior. You're understanding grade up wrong :P

caird coinheringaahing

Is Ụ broken?

@Bubbler Explain the 7 at the 5th index

hyper-neutrino

wait wait wait

this is right

if you index that into the original list

it's sorted

if you want the permutation order

do double grade-up

Bubbler

Rank ascending is grade up twice, not once

hyper-neutrino

02:28

ninja'd

caird coinheringaahing

Then it's 10 bytes in Jelly ಠ_ಠ

hyper-neutrino

:P

caird coinheringaahing

This may or may not be why ỤỤ$ is one byte in my fork :P

hyper-neutrino

note to self: add grade down and also rank asc/desc

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino NỤ usually works

Redwolf Programs

02:35

Nooooo

caird coinheringaahing

What did you delete?

Redwolf Programs

I found a super awesome solution in Risky but I'll have to double the length because of a tiny detail

Bubbler

So Jelly ties with APL :P

caird coinheringaahing

02:56

@Bubbler Not if you have anything to say with it :P

Redwolf Programs

Oh god I'm so stupid

hyper-neutrino

~~yes~~ what did you do this time

Redwolf Programs

I was using the base convert operator instead of the xth item in array one

It's } not { D:

It works now!

44 bytes

Bubbler

Sounds painful

Definitely qualifies as an esolang, not a golflang :P

Redwolf Programs

It's an insanely elegant solution though

I need to write an explanation for this

Bubbler

03:06

The list of built-ins looks way too specialized for a language with only 16 ops (even with various overloads)

Redwolf Programs

They are, yeah. It's not very well designed

Lots of the dyads are super specific because I had too many spaces to fill lol

Bubbler

You might want to learn something from the list of K built-ins (manual)

Redwolf Programs

This was meant to be more a proof-of-concept, so I didn't really put too much effort into the built-ins.

caird coinheringaahing

Its a good idea tbh. A lot of languages die in the dev stage because creating a builtin list can be so tiring

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

COBOL(lite) interpreter. Your task is to code an interpreter for COBOL. This interpreter should use the free format, and cut a few corners, as long as a few test scripts will run on it. Notice; here I say interpreter, as that is the general direction of my inclination, however if it may save byte...

lyxal

03:12

@cairdcoinheringaahing I can testify to this.

writing the new list for the experimental vyxal branch has gotten a bit tedious

smarnav

@hyper-neutrino I have just posted my question into the sandbox.I might make this question a bit more clear, later, but this is all that I have, now

Redwolf Programs

03:40

@Bubbler To be fair a significant part of the program is identity operators as padding, the actual logic is quite compact

Bubbler

03:50

You know, golflangs spend zero bytes for padding :P

Redwolf Programs

* most :p

caird coinheringaahing

They absolutely do not :P

Redwolf Programs

At least people can't say Risky looks like I slammed my head into a computer keyboard several times, because the code page is small enough I would need a very oddly shaped head to do so

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caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Doesn't that mean it has 88 instructions?

Redwolf Programs

87, one's padding at the end

caird coinheringaahing

03:57

Yeah, that's really not golfy :P

Redwolf Programs

Keep in mind the byte count would be halved if I removed a single operator

This language could be really short in some situations, but they're rare (especially for longer programs)

Bubbler

04:20

It could do significantly better if you find a way to change the program structure using all-ones padding in the middle

Redwolf Programs

There's different ways you could have it determine the arities, which I suspect could make it significantly golfier.

I didn't want to make this language too complicated, though

A username

Ugh, non-sandboxed-questions are the worst.

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername the second one was sandboxed

A username

link?

Redwolf Programs

What's wrong with the third?

hyper-neutrino

04:31

not even deleted

you can click OP and go to their meta profile and check their answers

AviFS

I'm having trouble understanding Bubbler's impressive answer here

I think the algorithm is the same for both, but I'm looking at the APL one

(But this is more active than APL Orchard rn)

What is this train (⊢+2×⍋⌊⍥⍋⍒) doing to the right of 2×?

@Bubbler

AviFS

04:57

@Ausername Uh oh, I'm in trouble! The second two are both mine; the only ones I have, haha

What part is unclear? How can I improve them?

hyper-neutrino

with +17/0, +11/0, +11/0 on those three, no close votes, no negative comments, and no serious clarifications (just minor fixes or request questions) i think all of them are fine

i don't quite understand A username's remark... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

I meant to finish my part of the blog today :/

AviFS

Thanks hyper. Yeah I'm curious to hear what it was. In a perfect world, I do think that the tic tac toe could be clearer. But I'm pretty happy with the binary one!

@RedwolfPrograms Oh? Which one?!

Redwolf Programs

We're trying to start up a CGCC blog

I think they're both great challenges, btw :p

AviFS

No way, seriously?!!

Haha, thanks guys! You're too good to me

Redwolf Programs

05:03

The first blog post will be about whether or not golfing languages are good for the site, it should be posted by wednesday

AviFS

What's the website for the blog? We have to get this on the starboard

Esolangs in general? Or golfing langs in particular, however you'd define that?

Redwolf Programs

The posts will just be meta questions, that way they can be featured more easily

@AviFS Just golfing languages. This site has a bit of a history of not liking golfing languages sometimes :p

AviFS

Oh wait! So is each topic a question and the blog posts are different peoples answers to the questions?

Or one question for the whole blog, and all the posts go as answers to it?

Redwolf Programs

No, it's just going to be posts as questions, although people answering them with their own ideas could be really cool

AviFS

Or is each blogpost an entirely unique post.

Oooh, I see. That's neat!

I feel like we'll have to establish what acceptable answers are, and what structure they should take

I feel like everyone will have lots of thoughts and praise they'll want to share, and it could slowly devolve if the answers are just there, free & unused

Redwolf Programs

05:07

It wasn't part of the initial plan to have answers on it at all, but I suppose it wouldn't be disallowed

This was where it was discussed how the posts should be formatted

AviFS

I mean, how bad is it to let answers be like blog comments? I guess it's not the end of the world.

Redwolf Programs

I think comment type comments would probably be better as comments

But answers which go into more depth on the topic would probably be fine

hyper-neutrino

keep in mind that comments are intended to be ephemeral/temporary

if some relevant discussion is of some notability/significance, it is probably better as an answer

Redwolf Programs

By the way, if you want to contribute to the blog, we've got this post where you can suggest topics or sign up to help write them!

AviFS

@RedwolfPrograms I see, thanks!

I do wonder though if it isn't important to establish answer format sooner rather than later as well

Redwolf Programs

05:10

I doubt it'll be necessary

Answers probably won't be overly common

The question itself will be the blog post

hyper-neutrino

i think we can just apply common sense moderation here

AviFS

You guys know better; I trust your judgement

And the worst that happens is it changes!

hyper-neutrino

all the resignation posts didn't have standards for answers either and some had a couple of answers and some have been deleted (forget if it was self or by mod), so we don't necessarily want/need a strict policy. it might not be a bad idea though

Bubbler

@AviFS It's basically (⍋⍋)⌊(⍋⍒) with the two ⍋s refactored into an ⍥.

AviFS

@hyper-neutrino Oh no, you're totally right! I guess the resignation post answers were totally appropriate

@hyper-neutrino For sure, just offering the idea!

Wasif

05:15

hello everyone

Redwolf Programs

H!

That's not how you spell hi :|

Wasif

@RedwolfPrograms H!

AviFS

@Bubbler I thought I was confident with trains, but I'm not feeling that way right now!

Wasif

does anyone know a golfy way to pop multiple elements from a list at once in python

AviFS

Do you mind writing it as a defn?

hyper-neutrino

05:16

@Wasif do you have context to this

Wasif

@hyper-neutrino yeah I am trying to solve the recent tic tac toe challenge and came up with an (non-brute force) algorithm

hyper-neutrino

there might be ways to shorten it depending on what you are trying to pop, the nature of the list, etc

hey @Randal'Thor!

Rand al'Thor

@cairdcoinheringaahing Was user 30? Either you know something I don't (in which case I'm interested) or you're getting him mixed up with someone else.

@hyper-neutrino Hi!

I saw SFF election chatter and joined the room :-P

hyper-neutrino

yeah, i mentioned it here and we had a short discussion over it :P

which got derailed by a conversation about voting methods

Wasif

what is SFF?

Redwolf Programs

05:20

In which I came up with several quite bad voting methods :p

@Wasif Science Fiction & Fantasy

hyper-neutrino

and then since catija herself joined, we instead moved on to a meta discussion, lol. so yeah, long story short TNB has trouble sticking to a particular subject/topic

Wasif

yes we went from breads to IDEs someday before

Rand al'Thor

@hyper-neutrino Moderators aren't totally powerless on the election page; they can delete comments like on normal posts (although they can't delete actual posts/nominations, only CMs can do that).

@hyper-neutrino That's the nature of chat, innit.

hyper-neutrino

@Randal'Thor oh, huh. all i know is nominations can't be touched and nomination flags aren't shown to us mods i think. forgot about comments, lol - that makes sense.

Wasif

how do you create image links?

Like @Randal'Thor made

hyper-neutrino

05:22

@Wasif just type the site URL

codegolf.stackexchange.com

Wasif

Oh awesome feature

hyper-neutrino

Sandbox

Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...

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Redwolf Programs

SE did a great job ensuring the contrast was high enough for the text to be visible, of course :p

Rand al'Thor

@hyper-neutrino Nomination flags are kinda-sorta shown but not directly on the mod dashboard.

@RedwolfPrograms It works better in the black background of SFF chat :-)

AviFS

@Wasif Does slicing count? Eg. arr[3:] gives a list with the first three elements 'popped' & arr[:-3] gives the list with the last three elements 'popped'

Wasif

05:24

@AviFS nope, i want to strictly pop it

Bubbler

@AviFS Well, it's just {⍵+2×(⍋⍋⍵)⌊⍋⍒⍵}

AviFS

Hmmm... arr = arr[:-3] that's the best I can think of

Pyth might have something

@Bubbler Thanks! That I can play around with. Off to parse this blackmagic

hyper-neutrino

@Randal'Thor huh. well, perhaps i will eventually see a nomination happen during my time moderating :P though i doubt we'll get nominees needing flagging

our elections are... let's just say, significantly less eventful than yours on SFF :)

Rand al'Thor

@hyper-neutrino You'd hope.

Well, the current SFF election is significantly less eventful than (a) I was expecting or (b) the last one.

hyper-neutrino

true. nothing seems to have exploded yet

Rand al'Thor

05:26

Hopefully with a less controversial result than the last two.

Redwolf Programs

What happened those times?

Rand al'Thor

There's at least 4 very strong candidates that I'd be happy to see as mods.

Ordering my top picks has proved to be very difficult; I haven't even voted yet :-D

@RedwolfPrograms In 2015, a mod was elected who ended up being asked to step down a few months later after a lot of controversial chat incidents. In 2016, an existing mod and an ex-mod deleted their accounts over distrust of a newly elected mod.

Redwolf Programs

That definitely does sound a lot more eventful

Ooh, we now have diamonds from four different sites here

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms I've not renamed it, so it's still Attempt This Online, but RTO is indeed my plan

Rand al'Thor

@RedwolfPrograms Three plus a CM?

Redwolf Programs

05:32

There's still a diamond so I still count it :p

hyper-neutrino

the anime.SE main chat room also seems to have a pretty substantial mod presence. it's usually just three sites but there are fewer users so it's often like 50-75% mod

Rand al'Thor

The old SFF chat room used to have so many blues that the local bot had a special "mods" command to make it report on how many mods and CMs were in the room.

hyper-neutrino

interesting lol

Razetime

Omg @Shaggy is this real

Anush

Given a long list of English words, how can I compute a subset of the alphabet that is sufficient for x percent of the words?

x is in the input along with the words

John Dvorak

05:38

pretty sure it's np-complete

Anush

I want the smallest subset

John Dvorak

but if the alphabet is relatively small, you can just try everything

Anush

@JohnDvorak oh?

@JohnDvorak try all subsets?

John Dvorak

@Anush reduces from 3sat

@Anush "does a suffice? b? ...z? ab? ac? ... yz? abc?"

Anush

@JohnDvorak sounds painful if you have lower and upper case

John Dvorak

05:42

mmmyup

You could try branch and bounding from the full alphabet.

Anush

@JohnDvorak nice idea

John Dvorak

greedily chop off letters that leave the most words. That won't guarantee optimal answer, but it's really fast and it gives a good estimate

hyper-neutrino

yeah, that's what i was thinking for a more efficient sol

X=100% is the set covering problem which actually came up earlier today

and it is NP-complete

Anush

@JohnDvorak I think I will try that

@hyper-neutrino interesting!

Maybe it should be a challenge

hyper-neutrino

wait, nvm i think this is a different task

mb

this isn't set cover

A username

06:17

@AviFS There's nothing specifically wrong with either, it's just a good idea to post in the Sandbox for Proposed Challenges to get feedback before posting.

Adám

@AviFS For next time, even when apparently quiet, people are actually sitting ready to answer stuff like that.

Anush

06:56

In python, how do find the key in a dict with the maximum value?

hyper-neutrino

@Anush lambda x:max(x,key=x.__getitem__)

er, i'm dumb

lambda x:max(x,key=x.get)

Anush

Thanks!

Wasif

07:18

Very nice
I have gotten another chance to post a python answer

Razetime

07:36

@Wasif you just need to ninja xnor, hyper, ovs, ophact, Jakque, dingledooper and possibly bubbler

or hope that they post in some other language

hyper-neutrino

we're too busy outgolfing each other in APL/Jelly

Wasif

thats a miracle they all didn't post python answer to the simple challenge
you need to count Noodle9 too

hyper-neutrino

well, they are - I stopped trying :P

Wasif

And I was asleep the whole time

hyper-neutrino

I didn't post a python answer to the counterman one because i thought it'd be too easy TBH

Wasif

07:37

And in morning got the chance

hyper-neutrino

that challenge is actually significantly easier for a procedural approach than a functional/golf lang approach

Razetime

yeah it's very nice for an imperative lang(like Stax)

@Wasif ah yeah

A username

I've kinda given up on golfing JS - It's far harder to golf than Vyxal, and far more likely to have an answer already :P. Also there's tsh and Arnauld - I've outgolfed Arnauld once, tsh never.

Razetime

so many python golfers

Wasif

I golf in whatever lang i found interesting

Razetime

07:40

@hyper-neutrino my last APL answer was in May, wow

Wasif

@Razetime its unbelievable i ninja'd them nearly 60 times

Razetime

power to you lol

hyper-neutrino

@Razetime mine was in april lol

A username

I have one python answer

Wasif

After bounty ended APL people ran away

But is the bounty ended?

I think questions have run out
Razetime, Bubbler have still so many remaining bounties

A username

07:41

153 Vyxal

Razetime

there are still many, many, many questions you can claim the bounty on

lyxal

my last APL answer was never

A username

25 splinter

98 deadfish~

Wasif

@Ausername oh no

I have an optimal deadfish~ generator
Which takes `s` into account
haven't used it yet

Razetime

I only claim 200s now

A username

07:43

36 JS and the rest are in whatever language I find interesting.

@Wasif I have a suboptimal deadfish~ generator

Which doesn't

StackMeter

@Wasif nice

Wasif

@StackMeter though I didn't invent that

StackMeter

oh ok

Wasif

Example use, outgolfs @Ausername by 44 bytes

The golf amount might grow bigger when used on big strings

hyper-neutrino

are you sure this is optimal

Wasif

07:54

Dunno

StackMeter

also, I have been reading about Python optimisation

Wasif

The generator is written in C++

Uses priority queues

Where I have got this is a secret

hyper-neutrino

well PQs are a pretty obvious thing to use. actually now that i think about this this probably isn't that infeasible to be perfectly optimal

seems rather difficult to optimize the {} and () usage though

hm yeah idk how i'd go about writing an efficient optimize for this

you can just brute force but ofc that's dumb

Wasif

@hyper-neutrino you also wrote a generator didn't you

hyper-neutrino

not for deadfish~

base deadfish is trivial to optimize

Wasif

07:57

oh sorry it was for deadfish

hyper-neutrino

what do you get if you put ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ into your deadfish~ optimizer

Wasif

@hyper-neutrino () isn't used at all it is important in 2D deadfish tho

let me check

hyper-neutrino

right but you can technically terminate loops earlier with it in some strange circumstances

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