The Nineteenth Byte

Bubbler

00:00

Reviews being anonymous is probably good on Q&A sites, but probably not for us

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Wait, they do

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing is it only the history that doesn't?

caird coinheringaahing

Wait, they don't

hyper-neutrino

it shows the question author but not the post author for some reason

caird coinheringaahing

For some reason I thought they did

hyper-neutrino

00:02

so I thought Old Man accepted a suggested edit on dingledooper's post so I overrode it

and then realized Old Man shouldn't be able to access review queues

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Open a MM feature-request. They recently redid the queues, so they'd probably be open to minor changes, especially helpful ones

hyper-neutrino

oh good idea

caird coinheringaahing

Damn, 160 bytes seems short for a JS answer, that's literally double the J answer. I expected 200+

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing unfortunately i'm not sure this can be applied to multidimensional arrays :/

neither does my solution. *sigh*

caird coinheringaahing

00:21

This is kinda cool, but messing around with SEDE has actually improved my SQL skills :P

I can inner join without it erroring all the time :P

hyper-neutrino

oh no, caird's learned to speak in the devil's language

caird coinheringaahing

caird is learning to get far too much information on various users' actions :P

hyper-neutrino

caird has also begun to speak in the third person

caird coinheringaahing

caird has indeed :P

hyper-neutrino

wait i'm dumb

(this is definitely news)

DJMcMayhem

00:45

GOL in vim macros whileyouweregone.co.uk/vimlife

7

hyper-neutrino

wow that is impressive

37 bytes is actually shorter than I expected for your challenge @cairdcoinheringaahing. Did you have a Jelly solution?

caird coinheringaahing

No, but I just made it 36 bytes :P

hyper-neutrino

lol

i'm gonna go for a walk, hopefully i'll remember to add an explanation when i get back :P

or nick will outgolf me by 50% ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

caird coinheringaahing

Before you go, -1 more byte

:P

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Floating Point Prisoners Dilemma Background So, nowadays the popular Prisoner's Dilemma variant is the Prisoner's Trilemma, where there are three options. I can easily see that being increased, so I figured Why settle for three options, when we can have INFINITE options? Therefore, I created th...

hyper-neutrino

00:50

nice :P

oh ḷ/ is actually really smart. i need to use that (and possibly the inverse for last argument) more

time to find all instances of 1ị$ :P

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, it only saves bytes when you've got the $, but otherwise it and ṛ/ are nice tools to have

It's interesting that there's two types of Jelly golf tips: the obvious -N bytes if X and also, if you do X instead of Y, it's the same length, but it's one link, so you can get rid of $

hyper-neutrino

yeah, pretty much

because of how important chaining is, fewer atoms even if it means the same number of bytes and the same number of builtins but with quicks instead can save bytes quite often :P

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Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Shuffle a subsequence, Closest Binary Fraction, Salvage My Chemistry Homework, Worst time complexity for an irreducible program

Unrelated String

01:27

@hyper-neutrino i want to say i'm a goodish competitive programmer but that's only from my experience attending a single small regional tournament four times where half of the problems are just recycled from icpc and the other half are too easy to have been recycled from icpc

by the numbers i'm not sure if 30~40 teams is small but most of those teams were just ap computer science students who got roped in to competing in java and would occasionally struggle to complete the test problem before the start of the event

Bubbler

My criterion for goodish "competitive" programmer: can you solve this problem? Given an unsorted array, you're to sort the array, but only by swapping two adjacent elements in one step. Calculate how many steps it'll take in O(n log n) time.

Unrelated String

yeah i don't think i meet that criterion

like i have actually seen discussion of that exact problem

just off hnq or something

but i

actually no i could probably figure it out

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler guess I'm not a good competitive programmer then :p

Unrelated String

googles levi-civita symbol

Bubbler

It's a "Hard" problem on Hackerrank (and can be found on many other OJ sites), though it's probably the easiest of all Hard problems

and it took me eight years to finally figure out the solution

Unrelated String

01:37

damn

i suppose the complexity might be something of a hint

Bubbler

Of course you can't count the steps one by one :P

Unrelated String

oh yeah reminds me one of the recycled icpc problems in that competition

i happened to find the original later

and it turns out that they removed something to the effect of either your solution should run in linear time or hey it can

and that made it so much easier

like i genuinely choked on it when i was doing it at the event because i tried just naively implementing the spec, which resulted in something which in addition to being quite slow also was very very messy

Bubbler

Yeah, for some problems simplifying the problem is very important

or pattern-spotting thingy

For goodish "mathy competitive" programmer: solve this in strictly lower than O(n^2) time, for goodish C programmer: solve this

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler I like the look of the first one, but I dislike constraints, so I;m going to just give it a naive shot :P

Bubbler

The correct CGCC mindset :P

caird coinheringaahing

01:51

Well, I'm only here for the horrible brute force answers and the moderation tasks :P

Bubbler

Maybe it's a good challenge for main? (without constraints)

caird coinheringaahing

I feel like it already exists, but if you can get permission, it's probably worth a sandbox

Bubbler

(see the challenge author :P)

caird coinheringaahing

Idk, this "Bubbler" guy sounds pretty hard to reach :P

Bubbler

Kinda yeah :P

caird coinheringaahing

02:06

@Bubbler For the first, can we return the entire tree, or does it have to be the last element?

Bubbler

The original spec is just the last element (that is, the single character in the last row)

Otherwise you have no way to get lower than O(n^2), so...

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler Jelly, 16 bytes Ḣḟ@E?“RGB”ƝF$Ƭ-ị

Absolutely not O(N^2) (actually might be, I can never remember how to calculate O)

hyper-neutrino

O(N^2) is the trivial solution; I think you need to find a strictly asymptotically less than N^2 solution

Bubbler

@hyper-neutrino Correct

caird coinheringaahing

Well, I also don't know if it's strictly less than N^2, but it's short :P

hyper-neutrino

02:16

@cairdcoinheringaahing does the solution just loop through and convert each row to the next?

caird coinheringaahing

Yes

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing I think it's exactly O(n^2)

hyper-neutrino

I don't think it's possible to do one step in less than O(N)

because you have to produce N values so yeah that's not possible

Bubbler

Right

hyper-neutrino

so it's at least N^2, and unless there's some super golfy hack that also nukes efficiency, it should be exactly that

(can't see how you'd reasonably make it more than N^2 either, it's just take a pair and do a constant-time conversion to the next value)

caird coinheringaahing

02:20

I thought I'd be able to use n¡ to avoid an if statement, but dyadic links and Ɲ are annoying

hyper-neutrino

I am thinking there is some conversion to binary and bit hack to do this

because (x ^ y) ^ (y ^ z) <=> x ^ z which can be used for log-time optimizations

I suspect an NlogN solution is optimal but I don't have an idea yet

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Claim a Cat’s Game For every move in Tic Tac Toe, there should be at least one way to draw that includes that move. Or so it seems; prove me wrong! Challenge: Given a turn and a square, print a draw with that move. Any input/output is accepted. But here is the convention I’ll use in the examples:...

Bubbler

@hyper-neutrino Hint: it's not a bit hack, it's pure mathematics :P

Unrelated String

i feel like i have written something very similar relatively recently but i cannot remember what

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Binomial transform code-golf math sequence integer Background Binomial transform is a transform on a finite or infinite integer sequence, which yields another integer sequence. It has an interesting property that applying the transform twice will yield the original. TODO: insert the formula Task ...

Unrelated String

02:30

or maybe i tried and gave up, that sounds more like it
but it was trying to golf something similar to a single step of the triangle rather than getting the final result

...i'm going to try something

hyper-neutrino

Generate this number table is now open again since OP clarified that outputting a 2D list / matrix is acceptable as well. Existing answers are not invalidated.

Unrelated String

oh yeah it was the quaternion multiplication one
to which the parallels are pretty marginal all things considered

except i think i can apply the terrible idea i realized wouldn't work

caird coinheringaahing

02:52

@hyper-neutrino Removed the Edit bit, those are 100% unnecessary :/

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah, good point. OP put it in so I made it more of an addendum but yes, that should just be part of the question itself

this question looks like some weird half-jelly-answer :P (link to metasmoke since it will likely be deleted soon)

Razetime

party rockers in the hou se tonight

(good morning everyone)

hyper-neutrino

wait that's what the lyrics are?

Razetime

nonono it's a meme which intentionally messes the lyrics up

hyper-neutrino

genius.com/Lmfao-party-rock-anthem-lyrics

Razetime

03:01

then genius messed it up

lyrics.com/lyric/28525252/LMFAO/Party+Rock+Anthem

hyper-neutrino

lol

(or should i say, lmfao)

Bubbler

TIB update: trying to use web workers to offload a computational work is incredibly hard, when both the UI and computation are managed in non-JS :(

caird coinheringaahing

@Razetime I'm sexy and I know it :P

Razetime

Well we don't know it yet :P

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino "Party rock is in the house tonight", but they're basically the same thing :P

hyper-neutrino

03:06

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah they sound too similar so I thought I just got it wrong this whole time :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Razetime Oh? You don't think I'm sexy? Have you seen my latest Jelly answer? That thang is hawt

Razetime

I shall see it

number table?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, it's like the only boring one in a string of 5 interesting ones :/

Razetime

ihateoddnumbers was hot ngl

caird coinheringaahing

I' pretty sure the two before that outgolf Dennis, and the ones before that are to difficult challenges

Razetime

03:08

didn't expect a lot from that challenge

Unrelated String

lol

hyper-neutrino

same lol

caird coinheringaahing

@Razetime That's my 3rd highest voted answer ಠ_ಠ

Razetime

votes don't make the answer ungamer ಠ_ಠ

caird coinheringaahing

It's slightly more interesting than the Husk answer it replaced, but damn my highly voted answers are boring

Razetime

03:09

I don't remember posting anything in husk there

Unrelated String

i feel like a lot of highly voted answers are exceptionally boring

caird coinheringaahing

@Razetime Nah, my husk answer

Unrelated String

classic

Razetime

oh lmao

first and only husk answer

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString cough

Unrelated String

03:13

the things that impress casual observers tend to be very good indicators of triviality

caird coinheringaahing

That post has more upvotes than 817 of my posts

Unrelated String

yep

caird coinheringaahing

I have posted 819 posts on CGCC

Unrelated String

my highest upvoted post has 17 upvotes and it's a zero effort answer in fucking shakespeare

caird coinheringaahing

And only 2 out score Dennis posting 0 ugh

Unrelated String

03:14

yep

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString Given that I upvote any Jelly answer that outgolfs me, I think I've upvoted a substantial number of your posts :P

Typing on mobile is crap :/

Unrelated String

my highest upvoted jelly answer is my fourth highest at 11

hyper-neutrino

i got my highest voted answer by just posting a trivial sympy O(1) fibonacci formula calculation thingy after four people hardcoded it and got downvoted and self-deleted :P

i guess people just thought "finally, something that isn't hardcoded" and upvoted even though it wasn't even clever

Unrelated String

classic

hyper-neutrino

this, on the other hand, is really impressive; isn't as golfy as mine but it doesn't use sympy and just uses fancy math, but has fewer upvotes ofc :(

caird coinheringaahing

03:18

Yeah, but if you count the bounty, xnor got 40 more rep than you

Not like they need it but still

Also, I'm still waiting on a sequel to this @hyper-neutrino :P

hyper-neutrino

I already know what it is without clicking...

yep it's that

( :( )

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thanks for reminding me. It's going to be about Mego (TNB RO hence the italics) but I haven't gotten around to finalizing it yet. — hyper-neutrino ♦ Jun 10 '17 at 17:08

Ah, back when the penguin was only a TNB RO

hyper-neutrino

Yeah I never got around to thinking of something for them, and eventually forgot about this idea, and it doesn't seem very fitting anymore does it :/

Unrelated String

i feel like it may not be the best idea now

wait is he active on any other site

caird coinheringaahing

Discord

hyper-neutrino

03:23

he's not in the CGCC main server anymore for... reasons...

caird coinheringaahing

Pretty sure he's no longer on the PPCG discord tho, or Codiact or Top Answers or Axtell

He's still around on the PPCG gaming server

Razetime

@DJMcMayhem wowo vim's turning complete without vimscript

axtell dead project I think

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino "reasons" - aka couldn't handle other users prioritising the site over the network

@Razetime Axtell is dead

hyper-neutrino

He is in the gaming discord though. I actually encountered him there not too long ago. Pretty uneventful, he just helped me add some roles and said "I gotchu" and that was it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

caird coinheringaahing

Axtell

An experiment in a custom site: github.com/Axtell gist.github....

hyper-neutrino

03:26

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah I simultaneously have trouble forgiving him or accepting anything at all that he said in that whole conversation, but also with entirely blaming him and considering him a bad person :/ I just prefer not to think of any of that anymore, though of course I can't forget or forgive SE, i just try not to burden myself with it unnecessarily

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I think I've said this before but my respect for Mego managed to completely flip in the space of 30 minutes. He used to be a user I'd look up to as a role model for how to interact with the site. Then he turned around and called me, you and our other mods scabs for wanting to better the site and I can't treat him the same way

I understand being so emotionally invested in something that it hurts to see people seemingly go against your principles on that thing, but to turn around and be so offensive to users I thought he treated with respect (Hell, I thought he treated me with respect), I can't justify that behaviour

I don't think I've spoken to him - via any medium - since his exit from the PPCG server

Razetime

do y'all mind if i post my sandbox questions from here to codidact?

hyper-neutrino

Exactly that. I guess the way (I think) I feel is sort of like I respect the penguin that once was here and look up to that image, but knowing the reality now, I can't respect him anymore.

Razetime

I don't wanna have dupes across sites and codidact need a lot more easy questions

hyper-neutrino

People cross-post all the time so if you only post there I think that's less of a problem than what we already are fine with :P

Razetime

03:32

sandbox on cididact is pretty hard to get feedback on

i guess I might as well

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah. I've encountered plenty of mods who resigned in protest (came across El'endia's Christianity resignation recently, for example) and all of the other ex-mods I've seen still respect staying / new mods, even if disapproving of staying on SE, at least as a person. I think it's unfair to compare that level of disrespect with what SE themselves did but it doesn't exactly give your stance a good look either.

DJ himself was the one to request a new election here anyway, for example

caird coinheringaahing

I'm glad you're sticking by your convictions and leaving, but I'm also sad you're sticking by your convictions and leaving — Jo King ♦ Nov 6 '19 at 1:12

Honestly ^ is my opinion on all the mod resignations in response to Monica's firing

I'll stumble on the odd resignation when browsing old questions from time to time and go "Oh, shit :/ that happened"

hyper-neutrino

Yeah. It's a loss to the community far more than it was to SE anyway. But I support any mods who resigned in response and respect their principles and decisions.

@cairdcoinheringaahing heh, I find it hard to forget. I'm not finding it easy to come to peace with my own decisions and I don't often need reminders :) unfortunately

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I suppose it's different as a mod, especially you guys, elected in an election that was originally a "replacement" election (+1 to your response to JNat's interest check btw). I tend to be browsing MM, or the meta of another site and "stumble" across a "I cannot, in good conscience, continue as a moderator" post on a site I've never been to before

Which just reminds me of the whole thing again, and then I get sad for a few hours :/

hyper-neutrino

Yeah, even though DJ's resignation itself mentioned he wanted to find "a replacement for him soon", I don't really like that the interest check said that; it's already pretty clear (at least to the public view) that they just needed to get more mods to prevent things falling apart so they could brush over the issue and keep their network functional, but the wording of that was pretty unpleasant at best.

I don't like to consider it replacement, just taking up the torch (hammer?) once held by the former mods - anyway, my response already mentioned my opinion and you've read that anyway so I won't repeat.

caird coinheringaahing

03:49

Honestly, -34 is a pretty good score as things go. Pretty sure some of their "interest checks" hit -100 on some sites

hyper-neutrino

It's especially the "I cannot continue in good conscience" posts that make me wonder very often whether or not serving as a mod indicates that I have a bad conscience.

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's probably because most of the people who cared about CGCC and participated on meta and engaged with the community were gone by that time :(

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I strongly disagree with you having a bad conscience. As I've said before, I think you're an excellent mod. There is a massive difference between stepping down from a trusted position due to your moral beliefs, and stepping up to a trusted position because you care

And, I think you can be conscious of both the message pushed by the former mods and serve as a capable moderator at the same time - which is why I so strongly disagree with what Mego said when he left

hyper-neutrino

The thing is I would never dream of considering another staying/new mod or candidate as having a bad conscience, so it's not exactly logical that I think about that about myself, more so just another negative feeling I dismiss as mostly unreasonable :)

I did step up because I valued the community and decided not to let it go, after all, and it has been worth it every step of the way :) (well, mostly every step)

The Christianity joint mod post about not resigning yet (which unfortunately later became false for El'endia) offered some insight about "playing under protest" being something in the MLB apparently and how similarly one can moderate under protest, somewhat sending the message that "I care about my community far more than you do, so I will continue to moderate in spite of you", and [...]

[...] I found that quite comforting to read through since it was an insightful post and let me sort out my own feelings relating to staying and stepping up. Either way, I think both are as valid choices and paths to take as each other as long as everyone is respectful, which is why I completely agree with you in regards to what Mego said on discord.

lyxal

05:38

so I'm just gonna say this now

Totally not a rick roll ;)

►

A username

05:50

?\

lyxal

06:31

It is what it says

There really shouldn't be any questions about it

pxeger

07:07

so close!

Bubbler

07:32

rip

lyxal

@pxeger got'em

StackMeter

08:01

still no feedback yet - any at all?

A username

09:20

@StackMeter Having a looj

This is cursed.

Wheat Wizard

Deleted posts take up more space than undeleted posts for those that can see them.

So to minimize space I blank my sandboxes and leave them undeleted.

It also makes their history accessible to everyone.

A username

How, though? Isn't there a minimum character limit?

Wheat Wizard

View the source and you will see how.

Neil

@Bubbler the solution for a length of exactly 8 is (r[3] + r[4] - r[0] - r[1] - r[6] - r[7]) % 3 where R, G and B are encoded using 0, 1 and 2.

A username

CMC: Go to a random page on Wikipedia and try to get to Shrek in as few clicks as possible.

Neil

09:35

the solution for a length of exactly 11 is nice

Wheat Wizard

@Ausername Zero clicks C-t<tab>Shrek<tab><ret>

A username

CMC: Go to a random page on Wikipedia and try to get to Shrek in as few clicks and no keypresses as possible.

Wheat Wizard

Good thing I have the shrek wikipedium bookmarked 😎

A username

I give up.

Wheat Wizard

List of countries that gained independence from Spain > American Revolutionary war > The United States of America > Cinema of the United States > History of Animation > Shrek

5 clicks.

A username

09:47

Nice!

StackMeter

10:01

@Neil for what?

DJMcMayhem

@hyper-neutrino yeah and when I requested that the response was basically "No fuck you we don't want any mods" and that was at the time that I was literally the only active mod

So that felt great

I do appreciate your response to that post. But the response from everyone else was the main reason I resigned

I wish I had posted that question instead. I think it would have looked better

Neil

@StackMeter ... it's a reply...

Wheat Wizard

It definitely would have.

StackMeter

@Neil o

@Ausername 8 clicks from Adam Carolla (11 if you count subcategory clicks)

excuse me I had a brainwave gotta wirte some code

DJMcMayhem

10:19

@Ausername 9: Rzepin train disaster > Associated Press > news media > news broadcasting > television > film industry > cinema of the United States > DreamWorks pictures > Shrek 2 (ugh) > Shrek

Stupid that DreamWorks didn't have a link to Shrek 1 lol

A username

@DJMcMayhem Nice!

StackMeter

@Ausername I have now beaten one person

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Given matrix \$A\$ and \$A^n\$, solve \$n\$. Sandbox Notes Since this question likely fall into pure matmul as code-golf, will this be fastest-code? If so, what size and \$n\$ is reasonable? Should it multiply in a modulo-\$p\$ ring?

A username

I got 75 at one point, so...

StackMeter

k

A username

10:29

I got 7: List of people from Bournemouth > List of schools in Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole > Counties of England > England > United States > Cinema of the United States > History of animation > Shrek

A username

10:42

Apparently my rep is worth ≈$2500

StackMeter

@Ausername mine's like, $200

A username

I mean, our reputation here is probably worth a bit less, as people don't come here looking for answers.

An interesting thing I've noticed about this site is that, when someone digs up an old gem, everyone else starts trying it.

caird coinheringaahing

11:02

@DJMcMayhem With JNat posting it, it came across as "Ok, you've had your fun with all the protesting and what not. Now, who do you want to replace Dennis and Mego?" If you'd posted it, I'm sure it would've been more "We need extra hands to help keep the site afloat. Would people be interested?" Hell, take a look at xnor's ask, which was definitely framed as more of a "Do we think this is necessary?", and it invited actual discussion

lyxal

@Ausername it's been a while since I last did a wiki race, but I'll see what I can do

caird coinheringaahing

I don't get the comments asking if we even needed new mods tho. SE sites basically require having at least 3 active mods, and at that point we had 2 mods, neither of whom were particularly active. With all the stuff surrounding the interest check and so on, my objections were never on the basis of "This is unneeded"

A username

11:18

Doorknob's completely inactive tho, and Jo King doesn't do much.

Wheat Wizard's quite active behind the scenes, while hyper-neutrino handles the community a bit more.

lyxal

@Ausername not even ctrl-f for finding things?

A username

@lyxal Feel free to use that

lyxal

mmm routing time

TIL Jewish Culture links to Shrek

2

A username

I think I broke it

StackMeter

@Ausername so does that mean hthere's a vacancy?

A username

11:25

@lyxal Wait what?

lyxal

@Ausername you heard me

A username

@StackMeter Not really

StackMeter

ok

A username

@lyxal I did

StackMeter

@lyxal explain

lyxal

11:26

> In animation, Jewish animators role is expressed by many... Several companies producing animation were founded by Jews, such as DreamWorks, which its products include Shrek, Madagascar, Kung Fu Panda and The Prince of Egypt; Warner Bros., which its animation division is known for cartoons such as Looney Tunes, Tiny Toon Adventures, Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain and Freakazoid! .

StackMeter

@lyxal well I've been told

lyxal

@Ausername Hereford Square -> SW Postcode Area -> Earl's Court -> London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art -> Shrek

5 clicks

A username

Wow! That is very random

lyxal

I'd like to thank the "what links to this page" button

A username

Don't you mean 4?

lyxal

11:31

Sure

4 clicks

A username

@lyxal Can we make vectorising with v work for strings btw?

lyxal

@Ausername example?

StackMeter

CMC based on this: get as far from Shrek as possible.

lyxal

@StackMeter example?

A username

`abc`vdṅ returning abcabc?

lyxal

11:33

is that what you expected?

@Ausername or do you want aabbcc?

A username

Yep that's what I meant.

lyxal

done

StackMeter

@lyxal click as many articles as possible until you reach one that you already hit before

A username

@lyxal That simple?

lyxal

@Ausername yep

@StackMeter that could hypothetically be extended to cover every single Wikipedia article

StackMeter

11:39

@lyxal go ahead

A username

CMC: Find a Hamiltonian Circuit of Wikipedia.

StackMeter

@Ausername rules - you must start at Shrek if possible

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(aside form orphaned articles)

lyxal

well it's Friday Night where I am, so I think I'll go play some Friday Night Funkin'

o/ for now

StackMeter

@lyxal it's 12:42

lyxal

11:42

I live down under

it's 9:42pm

StackMeter

bruh

A username

12:15

My least favorite kind of challenge: ascii-art using unicode.

lyxal

12:45

I dislike ascii-art challenges in general

StackMeter

did you know about Python's amazing list comprehension

lyxal

@StackMeter yes

StackMeter

good

caird coinheringaahing

Personally I prefer dictionary comprehension

lyxal

@StackMeter one look at vyxal's source will show that I do

@cairdcoinheringaahing n00b

real gamers use set comprehension

caird coinheringaahing

12:49

real pythoners use tuple comprehension

StackMeter

why did you have a variable for the specific purpose of storing 1,024,000

that's inefficient

caird coinheringaahing

sum(((a,) for a in iterable), ()) gang :P

lyxal

@StackMeter because I use it as a constant to determine when to cut-off online output

hyper-neutrino

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, I didn't like the larger community response at the time either. I understand the sentiment against SE but I did feel it was more of a kick in the face for the remaining mods (specifically you) that requested more mods to keep the site alive than actually for SE itself.

StackMeter

ok

hyper-neutrino

12:50

I didn't like the wording of the post itself, nor its response, basically :p

StackMeter

just asking

also why have a set containing the list of inputs

instead of just the list

lyxal

@StackMeter contexts

and because nested lists are not as nice

StackMeter

@lyxal explain

lyxal

@StackMeter lambdas and functions have their own contexts

their own stack

StackMeter

ok

lyxal

12:53

and their stack uses their arguments as input

*implicit input

StackMeter

just checking as I go down

hyper-neutrino

The abstentionist post also didn't give me a great impression but I sort of understand the sentiment. "I don't think it is right to replace Mego and Dennis, who are clearly better candidates than me." is sort of true but like... you (OP) aren't the only one running, and I don't think it's right to call it replacement at all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just my 2 cents on that post. Feels counterproductive to the whole thing.

caird coinheringaahing

Tbh I didn't really get the point of that

lyxal

@StackMeter the Generator class is a big yucky mess that I recommend you just leave be

caird coinheringaahing

SE doesn't care about who runs in the elections (more or less), only about those who win. If you win and turn down the job, what's the point? You'd be better off saying that you won't run because of X and Y

hyper-neutrino

12:58

Yeah. It felt like "I'm going to protest to SE by wasting community time on the election and then still leaving the site with insufficient moderation". Which hopefully isn't what OP intended but that's sort of the reality to it.

StackMeter

13:10

@lyxal I have a serious question - type cohesion - how does it work? Haven't seen any reference to it in Vyxal.py or VyParse.py

caird coinheringaahing

Thoughts on having a legal tag, similar to MM? We definitely have applicable questions (not all of those would be covered, but a lot would be)

lyxal

@StackMeter it happens within each function

Generally when there's a return followed by a dictionary with a bunch of types and lambdas, it's handling type cohesion

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing IMO no (though not a hard no) - I think there aren't too many questions that would need it (though it does fit the "categorization" quality of tags) and I predict people will use it on unrelated questions like what's "legal" by site rules rather than actually by legality in terms of laws.

user

@StackMeter What's type cohesion?

Razetime

14:10

type cohesion is the binding of a types of data with types of functions mostly

hyper-neutrino

I've compiled the First Time Asker Pop-up answers into the question here; I'd like some feedback on parts we can trim down or are less important.

It's currently way too long because the dialog is quite narrow so this will take up like two screens.

caird coinheringaahing

Personally, I don't think ophact's two bullet points are all that necessary. If the user posts in the Sandbox, we'll be able to provide that feedback there, and if they don't, then they clearly haven't read the rest of the pop-up, why would these two bullets affect them, especially when they're quire non-committal?

I'd also suggest moving "We welcome you to Code Golf & Coding Challenges Stack Exchange." to be the first thing in the text

hyper-neutrino

That's true.

caird coinheringaahing

Community really wanted this to get attention :P

hyper-neutrino

edited

@cairdcoinheringaahing every post on windowsphone.SE be like

caird coinheringaahing

14:22

Bumped 40 times

SEDE query

hyper-neutrino

lol :D

user

@Razetime Cool, thanks

@cairdcoinheringaahing Every month? Is that a bug or what?

hyper-neutrino

@user no, it's because the site is so dead that Community keeps bumping things because it's responsible for getting things with no attention some visibility

user

lmao

hyper-neutrino

except that's everything on windows phone SE so community just keeps spam bumping everything desperately hoping that someone will notice anything on the site again lol

user

14:29

Poor bot :(

hyper-neutrino

Since the sidebar has some guidelines, we could probably shorten the popup a bit by pointing the user to read the sidebar

since it's off to the side some people might miss it or just not read, so we could make the popup tell them to read it

i still want to keep the part about the sandbox since that's the most important part of this whole thing IMHO

@cairdcoinheringaahing For "Is it Art" is inputting as coordinates of truthy values acceptable? (re: Jonah's J answer)

I don't see anything allowing that in the challenge spec but if so I can cut some bytes

Redwolf Programs

Morning!

Did I miss anything in the last 18 hours?

I have betrayed you all. I chose pancakes over waffles.

hyper-neutrino

14:44

Nothing significant. Yet another discussion about the late-2019 incident so if you want some free sadness feel free to read the transcript :)

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Yes, see my comment below the challenge

hyper-neutrino

Also more IGS \o/

also congrats on flagging that, caird :P I got it in 17 seconds but you still managed to flag it

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah, I always forget to check there ಠ_ಠ thanks

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I was convinced I'd get the "this post has been deleted" pop up after flagging :P

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing i tried using the keybind but it didn't work for some reason so i had to ctrl-end + flag + spam + confirm

otherwise it's just M F spam confirm

caird coinheringaahing

I do it the manual way, clicking "Flag" :P

Redwolf Programs

14:47

I would've been on last night and probably finished my new golfing(?) language, but I have some family over and I had some of the side effects of the vaccine :/

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing since I wasted time trying to keyboard shortcut i ended up losing by 1 second :p otherwise i could've gotten it faster

post was very long; on shorter posts (and when i reacted faster) i think my record is 12 seconds

i still beat smokey though :P

@RedwolfPrograms oof :/ hope you're feeling better now

Redwolf Programs

I think I am now, yeah

I have now destroyed a second death star :p

hyper-neutrino

nice :P

user

Nice

Did everyone here have side effects? I and my parents just had mild headaches, and my grandparents didn't have any

Axtell

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