The Nineteenth Byte

hyper-neutrino

23:01

not sure if I should migrate this

I feel like it'd be closed there too. might go ask SOCVR

caird coinheringaahing

I don't think so

It's not a "I'm having problems with my code" question, so it's 100% off-topic on SO

hyper-neutrino

true

caird coinheringaahing

It's a better attempt than most at a "White this code for me" question :P

@NewPosts Is the NMP feed still active?

hyper-neutrino

hm

maybe the SO close reason isn't best here

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I'd suggest reopening and hammering closed as "needs details or clarity"

hyper-neutrino

23:03

I agree. done

caird coinheringaahing

It's not a perfect fit, but its a better fit than "Go to SO"

hyper-neutrino

I could close with a custom reason but I think with more details this could actually be a fine challenge

just looking for dupe targets

caird coinheringaahing

Given that New Posts seems to be good, I'm going to disable just the NMainP feed, and we can interrogate Redwolf about what happened when he's back :P

user

@ngn It appears my future self forgot my password, but they've managed to pass on their message anyway

Feeds

caird coinheringaahing has stopped a feed from being posted into this room

hyper-neutrino

23:05

@cairdcoinheringaahing he lost internet for like 2 minutes and the bots didn't reconnect for some reason; I think he fixed it already but IDK

like, the bots are fixed, and I think he also fixed reconnect

since New Posts is able to detect the socket disconnecting but I guess either the bots weren't doing that or they weren't attempting to rejoin

caird coinheringaahing

Well, I;ll wait until the other bots post stuff until disabling them, just in case

hyper-neutrino

well you can stop the meta feed

since the same bot manages both, right? or am I remembering incorrectly

caird coinheringaahing

Lets ask Redwolf :P

@hyper-neutrino Interestingly, that reopen/close bumped it

hyper-neutrino

weird

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thanks for the tip! I'm user (a sockpuppet) btw. This account was mostly so I could pretend to have come from the future in chat :P — user 32 secs ago

This is clear ToS abuse, time to nuke @user :P

user

23:09

lol

The account was originally made for a sensible reason, I just didn't end up posting anything there

hyper-neutrino

oh so it was a sock

user

Oh nvm I still only have 11 rep

Redwolf Programs

I'm back and ready to be interrogated

Bubbler

@NewPosts I can't name any site that accepts that kind of question

Redwolf Programs

Hey, I just got an idea

It'd help for OSP too

Since I'm already having NP/SP connect to the ws, I can have it acknowledge the pings instantly so I don't get emailed

caird coinheringaahing

23:13

@Bubbler It would be ok here, if it was reworked a bit

Redwolf Programs

Like pretend to click the green (1)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms OSP could do that, but I cba to do it :P

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing I mean, the original style of the question, like "how I change this algorithm to solve a problem with different parameters"

Redwolf Programs

This is a slightly concerning starboard lol

hyper-neutrino

lmao

caird coinheringaahing

23:14

Pinging "you" sends a specific event that isn't just a "message sent" event, so its easy to "discard" those notifications

rak1507

probably some sort of programming discord server could help maybe

hyper-neutrino

honestly someone in chat here might just be willing to help, lol. sure, it's off-topic, but so is whatever the hell the current state of our starboard is

rak1507

yea

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Idk about y'all but I have no problem with sensible discussion about sex, porn, nudity etc. So long as it's discussed in a mature way, it's not a bad thing to be able to talk about if/when people want to

And yes, mature conversations can include jokes and humour :P

Redwolf Programs

yeah, it's just a little off-topic :p

rak1507

23:18

@cairdcoinheringaahing mature way, this is TNB you're talking about :P

hyper-neutrino

I agree. If users are uncomfortable I will migrate it into a separate room to discuss it with willing people. I personally won't encourage it because it's not on-topic but I won't 11 it as long as it's mature and appropriate (for its given nature, at least).

caird coinheringaahing

^

Redwolf Programs

Theoretically everyone here's 13 or older anyway

caird coinheringaahing

Idk about that, I think I'll need bank account numbers and passwords from y'all in order to verify that :P

ngn

@RedwolfPrograms i can recommend a js library to test the first part of that sentence :)

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caird coinheringaahing

23:20

Fun fact: Jon Skeet does not have the most rep network wide

Users by network wide rep

Redwolf Programs

> 1272k

ngn

@user did you know about this one: 1+2+3+4+5+.. = -1/12 ?

Redwolf Programs

Looks like they didn't design chat for people with > 1m rep lol

user

@ngn I did, you've told me this one before :P

caird coinheringaahing

Despite 6 users having >1m rep :P

rak1507

23:22

the easiest way to get rep is to post answers to basic questions and then wait a decade

Bubbler

No, the m unit would come up only if someone managed to get >10m

caird coinheringaahing

> last post 3578d ago

From Jon skeet

That's like 10 years

user

@rak1507 Or ask dumb questions that all beginners have

Bubbler

like 4-digit rep is shown as-is and you see the k-unit only after you reach 10,000

caird coinheringaahing

That's fun. This is Jon Skeet's chat parent user profile

Redwolf Programs

23:23

Is Cardano.SE new? I've never seen an HNQ there before, but there's like four all of a sudden.

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler And yet, Skeet has 1.3m on SO

@RedwolfPrograms Left private beta yesterday IIRC

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing haha must be deliberate to have his parent user be a 101 rep site

Redwolf Programs

No idea why they don't just have a single cryptocurrency.se

user

^

rak1507

Biblical Hermeneutics sounds incredibly boring anyway

caird coinheringaahing

23:24

Isn't it just academic discussion of the bible?

user

Hermeneutics sounds like some kind of disease

rak1507

something like that

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's simply inconsistency then :/

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Which is exactly why it's boring

ngn

@rak1507 at least it has an object of study, unlike other similar sites.. :)

caird coinheringaahing

23:25

@RedwolfPrograms Relevant meta discussion

Basically every cryptocurrency SE site that gets launched has far too few members and dies

user

It's like having separate sites for Java and Python and Perl

Redwolf Programs

^

caird coinheringaahing

Who would've thought that having a bunch of sites around a volatile and unstable system that's unlikely to continue years into the future would've been a bad idea?

rak1507

I mean, that sounds reasonable to me...

but then there are a lot more users of mainstream programming languages than there are of obscure cryptocurrencies

Redwolf Programs

In my opinion it's even less reasonable that individual language sites

caird coinheringaahing

23:26

But also, I want a dogecoin.SE so much :P

Redwolf Programs

There's a big difference between haskell and python, but not as much between cryptocurrencies.

user

The thing with having separate Java.SE sites and stuff would be that there's a ton of overlap, and sometimes you're okay with language-agnostic solutions

@cairdcoinheringaahing HODL!

rak1507

yeah, true

caird coinheringaahing

> I'd just prohibit new cryptocurrency proposals entirely.

There is no way to predict which ones will stay for the long run, if even any of them will. And the topic is inherently problematic in many ways for a Q&A site. Area 51 can't handle communities that can easily redirect a burst of short-term attention like many new cryptocurrency communities are able to, it's simply not designed to distinguish this kind of semi-artificial interest from organically grown interest in the topic.

If we want to have Q&A about new cryptocurrencies, there should be a single cryptocurrency site. That is th…

user

The bad thing about having SO be one big site is that people with rep from one tag might seem like exerts in another

Redwolf Programs

23:27

Plus general questions about cryptocurrencies currently don't really have a home

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, that's it tbh

ngn

@RedwolfPrograms if they are technical questions about how the maths behind them works, i believe they would be on topic in cryptography.SE

rak1507

@ngn relevant site :P cryptoisnotcryptocurrency.com

ngn

@rak1507 trust me, i know..

Redwolf Programs

Potentially, but it'd be better on its own site. There's also stuff like questions about newer or smaller cryptocurrencies, or the future of it as a whole, that aren't allowed on any site at the moment.

caird coinheringaahing

23:30

@rak1507 Hang on, my eyes need to readjust to colors other than hot pink

rak1507

@ngn I know you know, just think it's funny

user

lmgtfy is an amazing site

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing definitely an interesting colour scheme...

Redwolf Programs

There's a reason I've been saying "cryptocurrencies" this whole time and not "crypto"

And yet I know nothing about cryptocurrencies

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ooh, here's a fun idea: launch dogecoin.SE, bait Elon Musk into joining, then cyberbully him :P

Neil

23:31

@ngn -1/12?

ngn

@Neil ah, here's a time traveller :) welcome back to the past

user

@RedwolfPrograms Oh really? May I interest you in this rare, mint-condition, gold bitcoin?

lyxal

Y'all getting this all wrong. The best cryptocurrency would be based on how many bytes you can golf off an answer

rak1507

golfcoin, genius

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal PoG?

Proof of Golfiness?

I 100% support this. It is pog.

rak1507

23:34

task 1 is to golf a blockchain :P

lyxal

All answers being used for currency must be irreducible

user

Mar 29 at 16:09, by Original Original Original VI

@Wasif Sure, is it okay if I use this new cryptocurrency I've made called golfcoin?

Beat you to it :P

rak1507

Thought of everything, you really are from the future!

lyxal

@user but this coin is language agnostic!

Redwolf Programs

user's not from the future, lyxal's just getting thoughts from the hivemind and mixing them up with their own

user

23:35

Imma sue you lyxal

caird coinheringaahing

Ngl, it'd be kinda fun if there was some kind of stock market where the aim is get the biggest crash :P

user

You stole my intellectual property, and only modified it slightly by making it language agnostic

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Idea for an online game? :p

caird coinheringaahing

Like, you create a stock and try to get it to as high as possible before doing something to crash it. Biggest crash in terms of loss wins :P

lyxal

@user sue me? Why would turning me into a trex help anything?

rak1507

23:37

@cairdcoinheringaahing easy, create a fake product, pay people for marketing, hype it up, and then reveal it's just nonsense

theranos

Redwolf Programs

ninja'd

Was about to mention theranos

user

@lyxal ~~You'd be dead~~

caird coinheringaahing

Nah, go for the long con. Start a company that basically only has net market growth, then randomly announce that you're handing over control of the company to a non-profit charity after 20 years :P

lyxal

@user it works for all existing answers plus has an irreducibility condition. I merely proposed a better idea

Redwolf Programs

user's being anticompetitive!

Sue them!

rak1507

23:39

@cairdcoinheringaahing I wonder how quickly AAPL stock could be valued at $0, what would they have to do to make that happen

user

Roarrr, I'm a dinosaur now

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 What's AAPL?

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I don't think t-rexifying people arbitrarily is a good idea

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing Apple

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing AAPL mama!

user

23:40

@lyxal Roar

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 Announce that they are now a fruit company that sells Red Delicious apples

Redwolf Programs

That'd do it

caird coinheringaahing

That name is a fucking lie, those things are vile and the stock market knows it

rak1507

that would definitely cause it to drop, but all the way to 0?

Redwolf Programs

Red delicious apples are great! For throwing at people.

@rak1507 Red delicious apples would sink any company into the negatives

People would be paying to get rid of their stocks

caird coinheringaahing

23:42

@rak1507 Fine. Completely shut down everything. Fire everyone, request an SEC investigation, recall all existing Apple products

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh, so they become a company that sells overpriced stuff that looks good and is shit inside, unlike before, when they were a company that sells overpriced stuff that looks good and is shit inside

ngn

not sure it looks good

caird coinheringaahing

@user Hey, my $2000 iPhone is only kinda shit, I'll have you know

Redwolf Programs

So is a $400 android :p

rak1507

I feel like tesla stock will be worth 0 in the next 10 years, elon musk will probably be held in north korean gulags for insulting kim jong un on twitter

user

23:43

So is a $60 Blu

caird coinheringaahing

In case it wasn't clear, I did not and will not ever pay $2000 for any phone :P

I think my iPhone cost ~£200, and I only have it because it was the cheapest decent phone they sold and it's lasted me 3 years now

Redwolf Programs

I have like a $100 android phone that I've had for a year and used maybe ten times

I carry my chromebook basically everywhere lol

user

@rak1507 idk if they are gulags there but I can totally see Musk pulling something crazy and destroying Tesla

rak1507

yeah, I can actually see that happening

Redwolf Programs

They're being removed from some sort of position in the board of directors, right?

For lying about something stock related?

caird coinheringaahing

23:45

@rak1507 I fully expect Musk to do something like make a hentai Tesla, just because he thinks it'll go down well with the weebs who like him

user

Very likely

ngn

or maybe there'll be a T logo on the next rocket tested in NK :)

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing ha

@ngn maybe he'll start trading dogecoin with them

surprised north korea haven't made their own cryptocurrency yet tbh, it seems like the type of thing they would do

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Elon Musk: I'm not like other billionaires! I exploit my workers but I like memes! Also 69420

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Elon Musk, the dirtbag lying billionaire who exploits his minimum wage workers and takes credit for other people's work, lying about stock? No

Redwolf Programs

23:47

The SEC didn't remove him as CEO (obviously), and they commented it'd probably drop the company's value by like 50% if they did

user

@user * ^^^ not ^

Bubbler

Posting this in 24 hours if nothing is wrong

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