The Nineteenth Byte

Neil

00:00

JavaScript, Python and PHP

because natural languages would be off topic for this chatroom

user

Bleh, PHP :P

Neil

I went for the jack of all trades of languages

hyper-neutrino

i've talked about how silly english's grammar is before but i think it still makes more sense than JS :P

user

Also, since when did we care about what was on topic?

@hyper-neutrino At least JS's grammar is decidable

English's grammar has tons of different standards and all of them are useless

ngn

if natural languages are off topic, why are we chatting in english all the time?

3

user

00:03

We're rebels

hyper-neutrino

self.propose(_ => TNB.languages.remove(English))

user

self.propose(_ => TNB.languages.add(Scala))

hyper-neutrino

proposals.get(user).rejectAll()

lyxal

self.propose(_ => badjoke.make().star())

self.propose(lambda: TNB.languages.set([Python, Vyxal]))

hyper-neutrino

proposals.get(lyxal)[-1].modify(lambda: TNB.languages.set([Python]), comment = "Vyxal bad :P")

Bubbler

00:08

⎕THIS.Propose 'TNB.languages←''APL'''

lyxal

TNB.languages[0/0] # this makes TNB terminate. No more tnb

ngn

TNB=bytes[18] # restored :)

lyxal

TNB.users.get(hyper-neutrino).rickroll()

Bubbler

Assert TNB.languages ≡ 'APL' ⍝ 0/0 in APL is ⍬

hyper-neutrino

this.toChatUser().proposals().toBuilder().add(new Proposal() {
    public ProposalEntry getProposal() {
        return Languages.get("Java")::addToTNB;
    }
}).commit();

Bubbler

00:11

I give up

lyxal

map(rickroll, TNB.users)

rak1507

in a lot of languages, map is lazily evaluated

hah!

lyxal

print("hang on where does stdout go?")

Bubbler

hang on where does stdout go?

lyxal

TNB = None; del TNB

Bubbler

00:15

random.choose(SE.all_mods).flag('please restore TNB')

lyxal

SE = None; del SE

Universe = None

Unrelated String

@rak1507 main = mapM_ rickroll $ users TNB

2

Bubbler

@UnrelatedString Are you sure it is TNB, not tnb?

Unrelated String

data Room = TNB | JHT | SomethingUnimportant String

Bubbler

Ok :)

Unrelated String

00:27

~~it should have been tnb but i legitimately did forget haskell capitalization~~

Bubbler

00:56

Any Feed Back?

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: (untitled), Golf Code Golf, Sandbox Notes

Redwolf Programs

01:15

this.conversation = null && void(0)

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms you're too late I already did the bookmark

Redwolf Programs

Frick

hyper-neutrino

huh. for the first time in almost two months I got 0 reputation yesterday (on CGCC at least)

lyxal

Laughs in -302 this month

Actually

Laughs in - 600 this month

-662 to be exact

hyper-neutrino

lol

Redwolf Programs

02:14

I have now gone through four of the five stages of grief over my laptop

1. Denial: Restarting my laptop for a week hoping it was okay
2. Anger: The natural response to bricking your laptop because you're impatient
3. Bargaining: Looking for ways to fix it, wishing I could go back and not be as dumb
4. Despression: Another natural response to bricking your laptop because you're impatient

All that's left now is acceptance. I'll leave that one for tomorrow.

lyxal

Smh not even WR pace

Redwolf Programs

I think I'm actually going to opt for a maxed out version of the one I broke, instead of getting a gaming laptop

lyxal

> Despression

I purposefully waited 2 minutes to point that out btw

Redwolf Programs

>:|

lyxal

I sat there watching the seconds count down until I could make my joke ;p

hyper-neutrino

02:20

what if i fix it just to troll lyxal back :thinking:

lyxal

MOD ABUSE!!!!111!!!eleven

Redwolf Programs

Intel® Core™ i7-1165G7 (up to 4.7 GHz, 12 MB L3 cache, 4 cores) + 16 GB (onboard) + NVIDIA® GeForce® MX450 (2 GB )
13.3" diagonal FHD, IPS, BrightView, micro-edge, WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080)
512 GB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD + Intel® Optane™ memory 32 GB
HP 3 year w/Accidental Damage

Those are some pretty nice specs for a 13.3" laptop

hyper-neutrino

wait is this your broken one or one you're considering buying

lyxal

Redwolf Programs

Considering buying

hyper-neutrino

02:25

what sort of Accidental Damage o.O

Redwolf Programs

The kind that uh...destroyed mine

lyxal

@lyxal lyxal specs reveal

@hyper-neutrino idk if you're serious or not but if it is sensitive stuff purge it

Redwolf Programs

Nice snootily laughs microsoft surface

lyxal

y'all missing the joke here

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal i'm not serious, i'm hyper-neutrino. but nah, i don't think that gives away anything. but on second thought, i will delete my message, because joking about hacking you is not very poggers

Redwolf Programs

02:27

@lyxal That's just the name we all expected lol

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms my phone's name is "heck off"

hyper-neutrino

:o very surprising and shocking. would've never expected this

lyxal

phone specs reveal

Redwolf Programs

I clicked that without hesitation lol

hyper-neutrino

i've been tricked, backstabbed, and quite possibly, bamboozled

lyxal

02:30

got'em

hyper-neutrino

my userscript can't catch that >:-(

lyxal

that's the second >: today from a chat user

peak performance

Redwolf Programs

I'm going to design a userscript that uses a neural network to scan all traffic, and immediately alerts you to the presence of rickrolls by playing a popular song from the 80s

lyxal

I really do be doing a little trolling (it's called I do a little trolling) today

Coffee make the lyxal brain go into trolling mode (also riemann sums are stoopid.)

20 mins ago, 19 minutes total – 35 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 37 secs ago by lyxal

hyper-neutrino

drinking coffee doesn't really seem to do anything for me; granted, i've only really had a substantial amount of caffeine a couple of times in my life

lyxal

02:38

hello user

user

@lyxal Here’s me with a 32 bit dual core processor and a touchpad that wouldn’t know it if punched it in the face

@lyxal Hi

lyxal

@user I was going to wait until you couldn't edit your message to point out the lack of I, but it bothers me too much

nvm it's been two minutes

hyper-neutrino

CMQ: what was your first message in this room (if you can find it)?

Redwolf Programs

@user I thought you'd said dual 32-core processors at first lol

@hyper-neutrino Been searching for mine for ages

user

@RedwolfPrograms wish :(

rak1507

02:44

maybe this chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/55485949#55485949

user

@lyxal just left it out again ;)

Redwolf Programs

May 19 '19 at 23:50, by Redwolf Programs

Should chatrooms for KoTHs be created along with the challenge, or as soon as it becomes popular?

Could quite possibly be this

hyper-neutrino

>:-( i just found that too

Redwolf Programs

So my second chativersary could have been as little as two weeks ago

hyper-neutrino

Feb 24 '17 at 2:26, by user165474

@NewMainPosts I'm not even sure what this is about...

mine might've been this

user

02:47

@hyper-neutrino rooms.find(_.name == "The Nineteenth Byte”).foreach(_.kick(users.find(_.name == “hyperneutrino”).get))

hyper-neutrino

you wanna escape your underscores? :P

user

Argh

hyper-neutrino

(or just throw it into a codeblock)

your brackets don't match

user

Backticks are hard on mobile

lyxal

most probably chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/51868518#51868518

hyper-neutrino

02:49

also your quotes are inconsistently weird

also my name has a dash in it

user

I give up

hyper-neutrino

F

user

Tis too late now

Redwolf Programs

Any feedback on Prime Factorization?

user

@lyxal Are you joking or jono?

lyxal

02:51

@user neither anymore

the lyxal era overwrites all past

first message as lyxal

hyper-neutrino

Tip: you can go to your recent tab and add &page=# to the URL

Redwolf Programs

:o

hyper-neutrino

there are no page navigation links on the page but the data is paginated

lyxal

wow I have at least 420 pages of recent

Redwolf Programs

I have 399 exactly which really confused me

hyper-neutrino

02:55

my first message on this account in TNB was me replying to NSP talking about being condemned to the bot life, because this account was originally NeutrinoBot

Redwolf Programs

My first time in SE chat

hyper-neutrino

so I guess all of the theories about me being a bot are true...

Redwolf Programs

April of 2018...I would've been in 6th grade during that conversation

hyper-neutrino

kids these days :P

Redwolf Programs

I wasn't technically supposed to have an SE account either :p

hyper-neutrino

02:58

kinda sucks that my history on this site has been totally chopped by me being silly with wording and misunderstanding by mods

user

@hyper-neutrino Probably chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=56469324#56469324

hyper-neutrino

every time account age is brought up i have to explain "no my account is not 4 years old i have been here for almost 6 years"

lyxal

@lyxal yeah okay it actually is

Redwolf Programs

I have a similar thing, but it was my fault since I sockpuppeted and got my old account deleted

lyxal

Sep 28 '19 at 8:49, by Jono 2906

And I got the 69th answer on the question. nice

I've been doing funny numbers since forever

hyper-neutrino

02:59

@RedwolfPrograms did you get an account merge? or was there not much worth merging in

Redwolf Programs

The second one

hyper-neutrino

ah. see i had a good amount of stuff on several sites merged lol

forgot to include PPCG meta so... there are a couple of meta posts belonging to user42649 being me

Redwolf Programs

I honestly don't really want my old SO questions on my account anyway lol

lyxal

y'all with your checkered account histories

smh

hyper-neutrino

i had 5800 rep at the time of deletion so... i merged :P

wheatwizard lost 160 reputation due to removed votes lmao

lyxal

03:02

oof

user

I thout dey liave your votes if you voted a lot

lyxal

*leave

ftfy

hyper-neutrino

it's up to the staff to decide what to do with your votes; they can either destroy them all, destroy up to N days ago, or leave them all. i think they chose the second (i think 60 days is the default)

technically, this means I very likely have upvoted several posts twice... lol

user

Down with HN!

You committed voter fraud

hyper-neutrino

i would love to have not

but votes cannot be merged

user

03:07

Too many conflicts ?

hyper-neutrino

yes :P

Redwolf Programs

When set intersection is too difficult :p

lyxal

when the set intersection is sus: 😳

hyper-neutrino

no

CMC: given two sets, find their intersection (this is almost definitely a dupe)

lyxal

yes.

hyper-neutrino

03:09

lambda x,y:x&y because python has built-in intersection for sets <o/

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino Vyxal, 1 byte: ∩

because Vyxal has all of python's built-in set ops

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino x=>y=>x.filter(d=>y.includes(d))

hyper-neutrino

jelly's built-in is two bytes .-. œ&

@RedwolfPrograms does >=0 work instead of !=-1

oh nvm that's better

does x=>y=>x.filter(y.includes) work?

Redwolf Programs

Probably not

JS dumb

rak1507

lambda x,y:x&y
set.intersection

shame the non lambda method is actually longer lol

hyper-neutrino

03:13

set.__and__

rak1507

nice

hyper-neutrino

→ 1 message moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

rak1507

@hyper-neutrino damn, my answer for that was nearly finished

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino -tpu

hyper-neutrino

isn't it tpu-

Redwolf Programs

03:15

Dang it, you didn't give me an opportunity to spam flag :(

hyper-neutrino

also, I think I beat SD!

i could've been faster using the M F keybind but i scrolled down

user

@hyper-neutrino Scala, 3 bytes: _&_

hyper-neutrino

nice

user

Sorry for the pings

hyper-neutrino

a n g e r y

user

03:23

wish there was some way to turn those off

Redwolf Programs

No way

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino ping ping

Redwolf Programs

My math class removed our lowest grade

hyper-neutrino

pong

Redwolf Programs

Mine was a missing quiz that was 10% of my grade

user

03:23

@hyper-neutrino pong

Redwolf Programs

So my grade went up by 10%

hyper-neutrino

bruh

wtf

user

Nice

Redwolf Programs

This is much pog

lyxal

gg

hyper-neutrino

03:23

that's OP

what's your grade now :blobcreep:

Redwolf Programs

99.5%

user

:blobcreep:?

Redwolf Programs

No idea what :blobcreep: is and don't wanna know

hyper-neutrino

oh wow

where's that missing 0.5%

user

Lol

hyper-neutrino

03:24

smh

Redwolf Programs

Got one question wrong on the final exam lol

That's the 0.5%

user

Imagine getting more than 90 in math

Redwolf Programs

I pretty consistently get high As in math despite putting in absolutely no effort for some reason

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino is there a userscript for those emotes to show up inline?

Redwolf Programs

histfile=/etc/crontab hehe

hyper-neutrino

03:26

no clue, but i could try to make one

my math marks last term were... very different

user

How does discordv translate them?

hyper-neutrino

got an 83 and a 97, lol

@user <:name:id>

user

@hyper-neutrino where i qm tbats a semester a

lyxal

execellent typing

hyper-neutrino

well a semester is a division into two, and we have three terms, and i am not going to call my school terms trimesters

user

03:28

@hyper-neutrino no i meant where do they fet the corresponding symbol from?

hyper-neutrino

just an image

user

Oh

@lyxal yes i practice on nitrotype cant yoy tell

(I admit I intentionally messed up that last one)

Redwolf Programs

Considering a bot that posts certain information if I go inactive for more than two weeks

lyxal

Would you like us to help with the considering?

Redwolf Programs

Sure

Considering is fun

Especially group considering

user

03:36

*hivemind considering

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino @user help the considering please

Redwolf Programs

Could be useful since I host NP/SP/OSP

user

Yes, i move we all get cookie firsts

Redwolf Programs

And insurance

user

Good insurance that covers damage to mortal vessels

hyper-neutrino

03:40

like what sort of info did you have in mind

user

SSN maybe?

Redwolf Programs

Various out-of-channel contact methods for me or people I know, so they can provide appropriate credentials for anything that might require them

user

I think you can put that in yoir profile

hyper-neutrino

If you put your bots' code on GH, worst case if you vanish off the face of the earth for no reason I think I can forcefully wrench control of your bots away from you and start another instance.

Redwolf Programs

lol

hyper-neutrino

03:43

or like shut down your bots and just repurpose my socks

Redwolf Programs

If I did vanish off the face of the earth it'd be nice to be able to have someone bounty away my rep or post my unfinished projects on GH

user

Yes, socks can be repurposed for many things

hyper-neutrino

you could always post said projects on GH yourself like right now, lol

Redwolf Programs

True :p

hyper-neutrino

as for your rep... no such luck :p

user

03:45

@RedwolfPrograms Are you thinking of leaving cgcc?

Redwolf Programs

No, and also not planning on vanishing off the face of the earth, but...things happen /¯(._.)¯\\

hyper-neutrino

things happened to that guy's right arm

Redwolf Programs

Wait that's not a shrug even

That's someone who doesn't want to get shot

user

~~Ah, Texas~~

hyper-neutrino

presumably you don't want to get shot, so I guess that's accurate?

Redwolf Programs

03:46

Wait that's worse now

I'll just leave it, spider redwolf is beautiful just the way it is

Does...does anyone remember how to do a shrug

\_(._.)¯\

user

/shrug

lyxal

/unflip

Redwolf Programs

This one actually sort of looks like the person scratching their head

/¯(._.)¯\\ is 100% the best chat emoticon

user

Bad for people with arachnophobia

Bubbler

04:28

I just noticed I went past 42069 rep by exactly 5 rep :/

hyper-neutrino

oof

A username

04:49

@Bubbler Everyone spam downvote, quick!

Bubbler

Nah, I'm off by 30 rep now

A username

so 15 downvotes... Or 2 upvotes and a bounty of 50

lyxal

just edit 3 answers of bubbler's you've upvoted and remove your vote

ez

but don't actually do it tho

A username

CMZ: Find out what a CMZ is.

lyxal

cancel my zoo

A username

04:56

Sure.

What about a IFRNO?

lyxal

if r: no()

Bubbler

I Fire hypeR-NeutrinO

A username

Out of a cannon?

Bubbler

Idk

Razetime

05:28

@ngn petition to change chat language to polish

@Ausername CPleaseTryOut My ZEsolangs

Bubbler

Polish, as in Polish notation?

hyper-neutrino

Polish, as in the thing you do to shoes to make them shiny.

A username

@Razetime Uh...

ngn

@Razetime you mean it can't be a natural language because of the unpronounceable consonant clusters?

A username

05:44

@Razetime CMP: Should we change chat language to Javascript?

Razetime

05:54

@Bubbler no the language spoken in poland

StackMeter

06:26

Let's goooooooooooo

First silver badge

ngn

@Razetime why polish in particular?

Razetime

due to memes

A username

@StackMeter Noice

Bubbler

06:50

@Ausername /* Here is the start of a multiline comment. Everything after it is syntactically valid until someone accidentally closes this

A username

*/

Bubbler

"Frick"

A username

; throw new Error('Javascript is tricky to talk in');

pxeger

/*

A username

//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//**//

Markfown messed that up

still commented

pxeger

07:03

@UnrelatedString TNB is not a valid Haskell identifier

Unrelated String

> data Room = TNB | JHT | SomethingUnimportant String

pxeger

but Room is not Foldable

Bubbler

users TNB is a [User] so it is Foldable

A username

</script>

Bubbler

That's not very interesting, any string is valid HTML

pxeger

07:07

@Bubbler <style>

div { /* get fucked */

A username

</style> <?php

pxeger

system("

# I said we Shell now boys

Bubbler

sudo rm -rf /

A username

node -e "

// And we're back to JS.

pxeger

// nope, you didn't escape the doublequote, so we're back in PHP

)

;

Bubbler

07:09

?>

pxeger

Bubbler

</svg></body></html>

A username

<%

# Ruby

pxeger

%>

EOF

# joke's on you; we were in a Perl heredoc the whole time

A username

>>>

public class main{
public static main(string[] args){}

hyper-neutrino

07:12

Discussion about (in?) programming languages is cool and kind of relevant but this is generating a lot of noise so I'm going to request we either stop or at least say something more interesting than just a bunch of symbols.

pxeger

fair enough

A username

Ok.

lyxal

in other news: VS Code has been helpful today for a change

pxeger

wow, how so?

lyxal

Lyxal's cursed Java part 3

Apr 29 at 0:25, 17 minutes total – 44 messages, 6 users, 4 stars

Bookmarked May 16 at 10:39 by lyxal

That's when it isn't useful

pxeger

07:19

CMQ: what's a word for a number with an integer fourth root? Square number, cube number, tesseract number?

A username

fourth power?

or hypercube number if you're feeling fancy...

pxeger

just sounds a bit too much like you mean a power of 4

A username

you'd say power of 4 then

pxeger

ok I'll use fourth power

Bubbler

Integer fourth power I think

hyper-neutrino

07:21

square square

A username

cmc: no capitals for the rest of the hour

Bubbler

or simply fourth power should be mostly OK

hyper-neutrino

does that mean to square the "squared", or x squared squared? doesn't matter :D

i think fourth power should be fine because if not integer fourth power and just reals, then any nonnegative number is a fourth power and that isn't particularly useful anymore

A username

@hyper-neutrino thats probably right

pxeger

CMQ: my 4d programming language currently isn't turing-complete because it lacks arbitrary data storage. What data structure should I use so that it would be the most annoying programming language ever?

A username

07:23

random-dimensional storage.

pxeger

I'm considering a priority queue

lyxal

@Ausername No.

(Gotem)

pxeger

CMC: all messages must contain at least one capital letter for the rest of the hour

lyxal

@pxeger `λ₴ λ¤ λ†`

Bubbler

@pxeger Tesseract, obviously

pxeger

07:28

@lyxal wtf??

@Bubbler hmm, what country is Tesseract the capital of?

lyxal

@pxeger ...

Bubbler

I think there was already a language that requires the user to use higher dimensions (was it for code or data?) because the length of each dimension is limited to 5

lyxal

@pxeger ... ;)

StackMeter

/*

lyxal

@pxeger @Ausername ...

Bubbler

07:33

@StackMeter The programming language war is over

21 mins ago, by hyper-neutrino

Discussion about (in?) programming languages is cool and kind of relevant but this is generating a lot of noise so I'm going to request we either stop or at least say something more interesting than just a bunch of symbols.

StackMeter

ok

print("Python is luv, Python is life")

Bubbler

@pxeger BF is not Turing-complete in the strict sense because its tape is limited to 30000 cells, but it is considered so for practical purposes. I propose a 10x10x10x10 tesseract where you can move the data pointer one unit at a time

StackMeter

BF but unbounded is TC

pxeger

@Bubbler that's basically already how it works, except that the size of the tesseract is based on the size of the program

StackMeter

can somene translate the newest spam post#

pxeger

07:40

do you not have access to Google translate?

Bubbler

@pxeger Do you have the current spec?

StackMeter

no I do

It's just I don't have access to the text

pxeger

@Bubbler esolangs? Properly specified? No, never!

(jk, but it's private on GitHub atm)

StackMeter

ok

duolingo happy now

Bubbler

For annoyingness only, not 4D-related: a squack, where the behavior alternates between a stack and a queue every time you use it

pxeger

07:48

I think I've got my answer: it's a Python HeapQ (priority queue), but it alternates to being a plain list every time you use it

StackMeter

so Github time

Bubbler

nah, heapq is not a separate object, it's just a plain list

xash

For annoying 4D: you can't switch directions of command/data pointers, but only rotate the tesseract.

StackMeter

@Bubbler so it reverses the stack/queue every time you use it

pxeger

@Bubbler yes, but every time you use it, it alternates between using heapq.heappop and list.pop

Bubbler

07:50

heappop on a non-heap is undefined, no?

StackMeter

what's a heap

pxeger

I dunno I haven't looked at heapq in much detail tbh

I just used it for some Huffman coding once

Bubbler

Another annoying 4D: the data pointer stays at (0,0,0,0), and the only way to modify the data somewhere else is to swap two 3D slices (like swap mem[0][x][y][z] and mem[1][x][y][z] for all x, y, z)

pxeger

or something like the tesseract rotating every instruction step

Coffee make the lyxal brain go into trolling mode (also riemann sums are stoopid.)

Lyxal's cursed Java part 3

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