The Nineteenth Byte

Neil

00:00

@rak1507 actually that will always match f, unless there's something afterwards that will make it backtrack

rak1507

@Neil true

Redwolf Programs

00:18

Just opened my question and it said Viewed 999 times

And then I got a badge

Do I count as the 1kth viewer, or was it someone else?

ChartZ Belatedly

Likely someone else, IIRC each view is a "unique" user (or as well as they can get), and the OP is always the first viewer

Original Original Original VI

I thought if you reloaded after 10 minutes, it counts as another view

ChartZ Belatedly

00:50

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A: How are the number of views in a question calculated?

I've recently investigated the functioning of the Stack Overflow views counter because I wanted to implement something similar (which I did). My ramblings on the matter are here: Dissecting the Stack Overflow views counter So, how that thing works? Quite simply, as I turned out to be. Every que...

Original Original Original VI

01:08

15 minutes, then

ChartZ Belatedly

01:22

OldSandboxPosts is going strong, thinking about posting on meta in a few days about letting it have access to TNB

Redwolf Programs

01:47

I don't see any downsides. It's useful, and it's less disruptive than me.

It'll probably get approval pretty quick

ChartZ Belatedly

The only potential problem is this

Redwolf Programs

I mean the feeds could be considered bots, and they take up way, way more space than OSP

ChartZ Belatedly

Ironically, the answer to that says:

> So if you have a bot and you would like to run it in a chat room, that's perfectly fine as long as it goes in the appropriate room. Testing the bot should go in the sandbox, and once the bot works correctly, it should go in it's own new room or in an existing room with the permission of that room's owner.

Original Original Original VI

Which is why need more room owners :P

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms Before all the Feeds were added, it was asked on meta

Also, ignore me, I'm a nervous person at heart :P

HyperNeutrino

04:19

Last I checked, our policy for TNB bots was that it's fine if you have a bot that sits here and watches but bot accounts can't post here. But this was a few years ago and also we could certainly just decide to change that to case-by-case.

Also, if OSP just occasionally oneboxes an answer from Sandbox in, it's really no more clutter than a new instance of Feeds would be :P

Redwolf Programs

It's not even oneboxed, just links

So extra not-disruptive :p

HyperNeutrino

Oh? Even better xD

also yeah I mean, even if the current policy wouldn't allow it, there's no reason we can't revisit our policies

New Sandboxed Posts

05:10

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Ball game KoTH javascriptking-of-the-hill Ball game is a game I invented where two players start with 100 energy each. Every turn, each player independently chooses an amount of energy to spend. Whoever spends more energy brings the ball 1 unit closer to their side. If the ball is on someone's si...

Deadcode

06:59

Yet another problem that seemed at first to require molecular lookahead turned out to be possible in plain ECMAScript regex: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/129773/…

Neil

10:16

ugh, Windows rebooted on me again. Interestingly it preserves unsaved Notepad documents these days.

ais523

11:13

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI if it's easy to do so in your country, I'd recommend getting tested for coronavirus; loss of smell is one of the main symptoms, and if you do have it it's important to avoid spreading it

Mark Giraffe

What do you guys think of this? codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

ais523

@ChartZBelatedly I feel like that badge is counterproductive; there's no way to delete badges from an account, and that badge is a sort of permanent black mark on an account that makes the user look worse, so it's basically just a strong incentive to not delete incorrect posts that are getting downvoted

@ChartZBelatedly do my answers still show up in late answers? that is an interesting side effect of being locked at 11 rep permanently

@Wezl probably 2? I actively try to avoid badges nowadays (e.g. part of the reason my rep is locked at 11 and not 15 is so that I don't accidentally upvote something and get Supporter)

@MarkGiraffe at the moment, isn't clear whether any particular answer complies with the spec or not, so it'd have to be closed as unclear

one of the commenters said "what's the smallest valid solution" and that's something that you'll need to think about

I suggest it'd work better as a kolmogorov-complexity where you specify the exact output you want the answers to produce

Mark Giraffe

@ais523 I got rid of that part and anyone can use what character they'd like to use to output it.

Though still remaining a code-golf challenge.

ais523

@MarkGiraffe the edit makes the question worse, not better:

because you removed the sample output

and it's unclear what specific output would or wouldn't be allowed

the parts that need to be removed are the subjective parts, like "adjust the size if needed"

because, in order to minimize the size of the program, people will argue about whether specific tesseractish things are valid tesseracts or not

I'd suggest just taking the big code block that you gave as an example in the question

and asking people to output that code block exactly

Mark Giraffe

11:30

I'm trying to get a proper shape of the ASCII tesseract without stuffing the lines all too much, like a line next to a line parallel, but next to each other, way too much.

Like the illustrated code block.

ais523

I guess the way to think about it is… we're a competitive site, we want people to push their answers to the limits, this means that the best solutions are going to be very close to the limit of what's acceptable, so the best answer is normally going to be right on the edge of what is or isn't an acceptable answer

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so, people need a very specific definition of what is and isn't a valid answer

if you give people flexibility in how to draw their tesseracts, they won't use it to make a better-looking or clearer tesseract

they'll use it to create a tiny little blob of characters that can only loosely be considered a tesseract

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is that a tesseract?

Mark Giraffe

Uhh, no.

ais523

because that's much shorter to draw than something big and pretty like yours is

and it sort-of looks like it could be

Mark Giraffe

I'M TRYING TO MAKE THE PROPER ASCII TESSERACT, HOLD ON.

ais523

what you can do is, when you've figured out what the perfect tesseract looks like, put it in the question and ask people to write programs to draw that

but you can't ever leave it up to the answerers, it just won't work

Original Original Original VI

13:01

@ais523 It was a joke, since losing your sense of smell/taste is a somewhat well-known symptom :). Fortunately, I haven't actually been showing any symptoms so far, but thanks for your concern.

ChartZ Belatedly

13:20

@ais523 I seem to remember discussing this before, and I think they do (but not all your answers, only those to older questions)

Wezl

upvote this message if we should be able to upvote chat messages

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upvote this message if we shouldn't be able to upvote chat messages

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ChartZ Belatedly

@ais523 Personally, I won't think less of a user if I see they have Peer Pressure. It's not uncommon (especially as a new user) to post a bad challenge, or invalid answer, and IMO deleting such a post makes the user look better than actively leaving it to clutter the site

But it's definitely one of the more "Why do we have this?" badges, and one of the few that you shouldn't aim for

Wezl

15:33

CMCh: what's the average elapsed time between different items on the front page?

* Ch: Chore

It won't be completely accurate because questions will be interacted with multiple times

ChartZ Belatedly

@Wezl On the Active or the Newest page?

Wezl

@ChartZBelatedly active

New Main Posts

15:50

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Q: Check if B is composed of substrings of A of length n

Given two strings \$ A \$ and \$ B \$ and a positive integer \$ n \$, determine whether \$ B \$ is composed entirely of (possibly overlapping) strict substrings of \$ A \$ of a length of at least \$ n \$. Test cases n A B Output --------------------------------------...

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Q: Two Diehards Make a Glider

In Conway's Game of Life, there is an infinite square grid of cells, each of which is alive or dead. The pattern changes each "generation". A dead cell with exactly 3 live neighbors (orthogonal or diagonal) becomes a live cell. A live cell only lives to the next generation if it has 2 or 3 live n...

code-challenge source-layout game-of-life

HyperNeutrino

16:00

I think upvoting chat messages could be a good idea since there might be something I agree with that I want to acknowledge without adding another message to chat but without putting it onto the starboard for everyone else to see.

Sort of like a way to leave a reaction on a message with short-lived enough relevance to not want to put it on the starboard, without adding clutter.

ChartZ Belatedly

Personally, I think stars are fine to be used as "I agree with this", and replying "agreed" (or similar) is good enough for when you don't really want to star

HyperNeutrino

It feels like a feature that doesn't really need to be added.

pxeger

@ChartZBelatedly agreed

Redwolf Programs

Maybe get rid of stars, then just display the comments on the side that have the highest number of upvotes (with them decaying over time)

HyperNeutrino

Like, I can see potential uses for it, but I honestly don't find clutter to be a problem even if people just say "agreed" lol.

@RedwolfPrograms hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Redwolf Programs

16:03

That way you can upvote a comment without worrying about taking up space on the starboard, but no redundant features

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms Sounds like a great idea :P And, to make it stand out, we can use some kinda golden shape to make it really pop :P

Redwolf Programs

But you can't just star any comments you like, or it clutters the starboard

Whereas upvoting would probably happen a lot more since it has less of an effect

Basically just an improved version of stars IMO

pxeger

personally I don't think there's anything wrong with it as it is

Wezl

@Wezl I had a lot of fun doing this in J, but then time came along and ruined my data :(

Redwolf Programs

Not wrong, just improvable

Wezl

16:07

also I want a way to see the activity in minutes without SQL

we can just act like stars are upvotes of course, it will just mess everything up

Original Original Original VI

I guess we could make a userscript to display a separate upvotes button and a list of upvoted posts, but that would be complicated.

Redwolf Programs

It'd require a third party server, probably, but the actual implementation wouldn't be overly difficult

Original Original Original VI

But would it be worth the effort?

pxeger

no

Redwolf Programs

Probably not

Original Original Original VI

16:16

Okay, upvote pxeger's comment if you want to say no, and mine if you want to say yes :P

Maybe if we just had more active room owners, we could treat stars like upvotes, and when the voting was done, an owner could just clear them.

pxeger

Petition to make everyone with over 2000 rep a room owner

Original Original Original VI

I don't know about that

Redwolf Programs

o.O

Original Original Original VI

Petition to make everyone with over 5785 rep a room owner

(NB this has no relation to my own rep whatsoever)

ChartZ Belatedly

Petition to make a group of democratically elected users room owners :P

Redwolf Programs

16:19

Petition to make everyone a room owner upon request for maximum democracy :p

Original Original Original VI

Bah, that's overrated

Petition to decide room owners with a golfing showdown

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HyperNeutrino

decide room owners with a large KOTH rock paper scissors with everyone on the site

pxeger

lol?

Original Original Original VI

^^^^

ChartZ Belatedly

Personally, I support a fight-to-the-death Hunger Games style competition :P

The last 5 users standing are the room owners, everyone else is dead :P

Original Original Original VI

16:21

@ChartZBelatedly That way, room owners also get rid of future competition

@ChartZBelatedly Um, I think I'm starting to like this less

HyperNeutrino

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI i think it's more of they get rid of current competition; future competition will still come

Original Original Original VI

How about only those who want to be ROs fight?

Redwolf Programs

Plus we don't need to worry about moderating when everyone who talks is dead

Original Original Original VI

I guess that's one way of looking at it :P

HyperNeutrino

make a bot that gives RO to anyone who can find their secret key, and everyone has a unique secret key that they need to find via a large CTF challenge

Original Original Original VI

16:23

Or we could just make everyone ROs

Redwolf Programs

I 100% support that

ChartZ Belatedly

Make OSP the only RO :P

pxeger

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI that was my original idea! (except I limited it to people who aren't noobs)

Redwolf Programs

We can do a lottery

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly Hmm, I wonder who would benefit from that :P

@pxeger You think people below 2000 rep are noobs?

ChartZ Belatedly

16:24

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI A mindless bot :P

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly And the controller of that bot hint hint

Wezl

1 bread, 1/2 cm crunchy slightly sweetened peanut butter, mixed with unsweetened cocoa powder, and another bread

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pxeger

@Wezl context?

Original Original Original VI

@Wezl Is this the new "waffles"?

Wezl

@pxeger no

Original Original Original VI

16:25

Wow that just got 4 stars

pxeger

instant 4 stars LMAO

Redwolf Programs

This is the kind of hard hitting journalism we desperately need in these uncertain times

Abragadabra

Hi every one

Wezl

@pxeger I'd give it 5 stars. mmm.

Redwolf Programs

Hi!

Wezl

16:26

@Abragadabra Hi

ChartZ Belatedly

@Abragadabra Welcome to The Nineteenth Byte!

Original Original Original VI

@Abragadabra Hi

Abragadabra

to be honest, I just poke around, and I got here =)

HyperNeutrino

wouldn't it be easier to find sweetened cocoa powder and mix it with normal peanut butter? i've never heard of sweetened peanut butter lol

also welcome to TNB :)

Redwolf Programs

It's cool how you can tell which parts of a Wikipedia article were written by different people because of the writing styles

New Sandboxed Posts

16:28

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Hide a message in ASCII art and a PNG (WIP) cops-and-robbers steganography Cops Your task is to create a method for hiding information in the combination of a piece of ASCII art and an image. Your method should require both pieces together to hide a given message. You will post three encoded me...

Wezl

@HyperNeutrino it's not advertised as sweetened, it's just regular peanut butter

"no stir", TJoe, crunchy, 90% peanuts :P

usually I like the stuff you have to stir though

HyperNeutrino

wait wdym no stir

like after you buy it you can just open it and use it without mixing the separation back together?

Wezl

@HyperNeutrino yeah. My friend likes it, and it's fine

HyperNeutrino

huh. yeah now that i think about it i think it is a bit sweet

Redwolf Programs

I get honey roasted peanut butter

HyperNeutrino

16:30

i don't like it as much but it's fine, and also i think i've only ever had it from the small little containers that you get at hotels' complimentary breakfast things

Wezl

yeah it's usually too sweet

HyperNeutrino

to me it tastes a bit odd like both too sweet and also not really like actual peanut butter. could just be me /shrug/

Wezl

@HyperNeutrino they took out the full experience, so the way to fix it is cocoa powder

HyperNeutrino

still, i'm wondering if there was any context to that original message xD

Wezl

@HyperNeutrino lunch

pxeger

16:32

skamteboard

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HyperNeutrino

ah. also I've never seen someone give a measurement of the thickness of a spread before lol

1/2 cm intuitively feels like a lot but it's probably a reasonable amount /shrug/

pxeger

I agree, ½cm seems like a hell of a lot

Wezl

I poured the cocoa out, which spilled way too much, so I had to add extra

Original Original Original VI

Depends on how thick and tasteless the bread is

Redwolf Programs

I mean if you're eating peanut butter on bread for lunch you might as well make it worthwhile

Original Original Original VI

16:34

^

Wezl

^

Original Original Original VI

Peanut butter + Jelly = Heaven

rak1507

chocolate type things for lunch?! sounds good

Wezl

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI but boring

HyperNeutrino

still, having 1/2 cm thickness of peanut butter, no matter the quantity of bread, seems like it would cause it to stick to the roof of your mouth a lot

rak1507

16:34

today for lunch I had 4 oranges and a kitkat

ChartZ Belatedly

No, with that much peanut butter, your mouth is now just a blob of peanut butter

HyperNeutrino

i don't think i've had peanut butter in the past few months at least though

Wezl

@HyperNeutrino orange juice mixed with IDKwhat in a blender is the solution

Original Original Original VI

@Wezl Peanut butter + molten lead = not boring, but it's not as great as pb&j

pxeger

Peanut butter = Instant allergic reaction
Jelly = infinitely too sweet (and it should be spelt "jam")
Peanut butter + Jelly = a bad time

ChartZ Belatedly

16:35

No teeth, no tongue, just PB

Redwolf Programs

Yesterday my school ran out of "sandwiches" so I had to get "pizza" and it was bad (those are in quotes because they are only sandwiches and pizza by name)

rak1507

lol

ChartZ Belatedly

@pxeger PB+J is amazing :P

HyperNeutrino

isn't jelly a golfing language (:P)

pxeger

well then it's time to go make a language called Peanut Butter

Original Original Original VI

16:35

Peanut Butter + Jelly = Small heaven

rak1507

my school is only doing crappy packed lunch type things atm rather than cooked lunches

HyperNeutrino

pb+j=hvn

Redwolf Programs

I don't actually like PB+J :/

I guess I'm weird

rak1507

never tried it but I don't really like PB and I don't really like J so I doubt I'd like the combination

HyperNeutrino

i don't really like it either TBCH

Wezl

16:37

I'm fine with Jelly, but it's still incorrect

Original Original Original VI

@rak1507 If you don't like PB&J, try PB&APL :P

HyperNeutrino

also what is the distinction between jelly and jam

Original Original Original VI

@HyperNeutrino I think you mean Jelly and CJam, and there's a pretty big difference there :P

Redwolf Programs

Jam is thicker and has fruit chunks

Wezl

@HyperNeutrino jam is obviously superior, and marmalade is especially superior

Original Original Original VI

16:37

@Wezl Marmalade = bleh

HyperNeutrino

is jelly that weird gelatinous blob that is impossible to spread and just wobbles around

Original Original Original VI

@HyperNeutrino Yes

It's glorious

Wezl

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI depends on the marmalade

rak1507

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI now I want to make a jelly variant with APL symbols and call it apple jam

Original Original Original VI

Put it on your waffles and it's doubly glorious

ChartZ Belatedly

16:38

@HyperNeutrino Also called Jello in the US

Original Original Original VI

@Wezl Fair enough

HyperNeutrino

wait what jelly and jello are the same thing o.O

Unrelated String

no

ChartZ Belatedly

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Lime marmalade is amazing

Original Original Original VI

JellO is a company

HyperNeutrino

16:38

isn't jello a stand-alone food that you don't use as a spread

Redwolf Programs

I think regional terms are being confused here :p

Original Original Original VI

Or something like that

Jell-O

Jell-O (Jelly) is a variety of gelatin desserts (fruit-flavored gels), puddings, and no-bake cream pies. The original Jell-O gelatin dessert (genericized as jello) is the signature of the brand. Jell-O is a registered trademark of Kraft Heinz and is based in Chicago, Illinois. The original gelatin dessert began in Le Roy, New York, in 1897 after Pearle Bixby Wait and wife May trademarked the name for a product made from strawberry, raspberry, orange, or lemon flavoring added to sugar and granulated gelatin, which had been patented in 1845. The dessert was especially popular in the first half of...

Unrelated String

jello is a company but the brand name is basically generic

Original Original Original VI

It's confusing me

HyperNeutrino

isn't jello a lot more gelatinous and rigid and you just eat it on its own

pxeger

16:39

US jelly is closer to UK jelly than it is to jam tbh

ChartZ Belatedly

Jelly = gelatin, Jam = preserves, Jell-O = US name for Jelly

Wezl

I've had bitter, uneatable marmalade, and sweet, sticky, jelly-like marmalade. No fun.

rak1507

uneatable is a great word

Wezl

@ChartZBelatedly I will try that O_o

Redwolf Programs

Jelly over here is like smooth jam

Original Original Original VI

16:39

CMQ: Favorite snack?

ChartZ Belatedly

@Wezl Roses is the best brand

Original Original Original VI

Roses are tasty

Wezl

I'm allergic to gelatin, on purpose

ChartZ Belatedly

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Marmite and butter bagel

rak1507

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI it's not really a 'snack' but orange lindors are so good

Redwolf Programs

16:40

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Anything with unhealthy amounts of sugar in it

ChartZ Belatedly

Or cheese and branstons on toast

Original Original Original VI

No idea what those are

Wezl

* Wezl completely derails the topic, and it's fun

pxeger

branstons EWWW GROSS

HyperNeutrino

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI what redwolf said, but with a specific preference for things with chocolate

Original Original Original VI

16:40

I'm imaging marmite as some dynamite + marmalade

ChartZ Belatedly

marmite.co.uk

branston.com

Quality british foods :P

Wezl

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI cheddar basil garlic crunchy quesadillas

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly Ew

pxeger

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI wow marmite actually has a dynamite version with chilli

rak1507

I need to get some of that for my dad he loves marmite

Original Original Original VI

16:42

@Wezl That sounds nice

Wezl

is fish tasty enough for me to break my bond of vegetarianism?

Original Original Original VI

Sometimes

pxeger

@ChartZBelatedly that's not the one you mean; it's bringoutthebranston.co.uk

rak1507

no, fish isn't worth it, beef on the other hand is

Original Original Original VI

Shrimp/prawns are awesome, try it fried

ChartZ Belatedly

16:43

@pxeger Oh yeah, I didn't bother to check :P

Original Original Original VI

@rak1507 I've always found beef a bit chewy

Wezl

bacon and beef almost make me throw up but fish smells great

ChartZ Belatedly

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI You're eating the wrong part of the cow then

Redwolf Programs

Chicken can be good too if you cook it right

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly Maybe

HyperNeutrino

16:43

idk if it's just cuz my parents always overcook things and i always get at least medium well the few times i go out because my parents don't trust food quality but like

i've found beef mostly too chewy and tough

rak1507

yes, medium well is the problem

Original Original Original VI

@Wezl I hate the smell of seafood while it's being cooked, but it's a lot tastier than beef if done right

Chicken is just tastier than beef

ChartZ Belatedly

Personally, I believe beef should never be cooked past medium

rak1507

agreed

HyperNeutrino

the one time i had beef like medium rare or honestly probably closer to rare it was... kinda flavorless and just a chewy chunk of squishy bland meat but i think that's just cuz it was badly made xD

Wezl

16:44

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI it's supposed to be healthy too

ChartZ Belatedly

Makes it chewy as hell, and destroys most of the flavour

Redwolf Programs

Stooop iiit you're making me hungry for real food

HyperNeutrino

@RedwolfPrograms as opposed to fake food?

Original Original Original VI

I'm going to puke

ChartZ Belatedly

@Wezl Good sushi is to die for

Redwolf Programs

16:45

@HyperNeutrino Yes, school food

Original Original Original VI

@HyperNeutrino That's what they serve at school

HyperNeutrino

ah

F

rak1507

@HyperNeutrino yeah probably badly done :(

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms want me to mail you some peanut butter

Original Original Original VI

What are some vegetarian dishes?

HyperNeutrino

16:45

@rak1507 funny thing is it was actually supposed to be a pretty famous place (this was in florence) but like, my entire family agrees it totally sucked and the table next to us also seemed to hate it lmao

rak1507

yikes

Wezl

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI I'm not vegan, so quesadillas, lots of pasta

HyperNeutrino

probably just a tourist trap place, don't think i saw any locals really

ChartZ Belatedly

@HyperNeutrino Then it was probably poorly done

TBH one of my biggest dislikes when abroad is being seen as a tourist

Original Original Original VI

@Wezl I like Taco Bell

rak1507

16:47

just do what I did and get ill resulting in an incredibly rich person paying for you to have an expensive steak

Wezl

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI haven't tried it shrug

HyperNeutrino

@ChartZBelatedly same, i'm just glad that (it seems that) usually i don't get associated with the typical chinese tourist groups

ChartZ Belatedly

@HyperNeutrino Oh man, being British in Europe is awful, because of the stereotypical "Brit tourist in Europe" :/

Original Original Original VI

@rak1507 They paid for an expensive steak but not treatment?

ChartZ Belatedly

Tourist stereotypes are the worst :/

rak1507

16:48

treatment is free in the UK lol

HyperNeutrino

@ChartZBelatedly oh i see :c rip

imagine having good healthcare system xd

Original Original Original VI

@rak1507 cries in a country without free healthcare

rak1507

oof, free healthcare is great

ChartZ Belatedly

@HyperNeutrino Just look south if you ever want to be grateful for your healthcare system :P

HyperNeutrino

here in canada my mom, who works at the library, is making calls to people to book covid-19 vaccination appointments because our public health sector can't handle the load xD

but at least it's free

Wezl

16:49

* Wezl's entire tourist experience is embassy open houses

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly Hey!

rak1507

@Wezl sounds cool

ChartZ Belatedly

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI I meant the US :P

HyperNeutrino

@ChartZBelatedly or if i want to be grateful for just about anything about my country /s

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly I know

ChartZ Belatedly

16:49

Which is pretty well-known for it's shitty healthcare system :P

Wezl

@rak1507 so I went to half of Europe in one day and ate candy from around the world

rak1507

sounds good to me

Original Original Original VI

Enough trash-talking the US, all right? It's the greatest country ever in the entire universe and you can't convince me otherwise

Redwolf Programs

Yeah we have...uh...eagles and stuff

And guns

ChartZ Belatedly

@HyperNeutrino I've got the opposite. I look south and go "Damn it, why does my county hate Europe? It's so good :/"

Redwolf Programs

16:50

Gotta have those

ChartZ Belatedly

Don't forget eagles with guns :P

Redwolf Programs

(They are fun though)

rak1507

@ChartZBelatedly I look south and go 'wtf are those english people doing over there'

Original Original Original VI

Yeah, imagine all the horrible things that would happen with better healthcare and a higher minimum wage. We might have to tax rich people! The horror!!

Wezl

@ChartZBelatedly actually not as common as you might think

ChartZ Belatedly

16:51

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI I maintain that the only reason everyone trash-talks the US is because it's the most prominent country in the world, so it's super easy to find things wrong with it

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Original Original Original VI

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI I would ask you to unstar this, but I know it's futile.

ChartZ Belatedly

Every county has some really shitty things about it, but none of them are in international news every single day

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly That's not the only reason - there is a lot wrong with it, even though it's nowhere near the worst.

rak1507

@ChartZBelatedly that's just bc china pays media outlets to not mention their genocide(s)

Original Original Original VI

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Apparently it wasn't futile, yay

ChartZ Belatedly

16:52

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Yeah, but so does every country

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly Unfortunately

ChartZ Belatedly

It's just that when something bad happens in the UK (for example), the news doesn't spread much further than the UK, maybe into Europe

When something bad happens in the US, everyone in the world has heard about it within hours

Original Original Original VI

Agreed

Redwolf Programs

All I really know about British politics is there was a guy with the hair and there's an officially appointed cat to kill mice in the PM's office

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HyperNeutrino

i mean probably part of the reason the US's politics get around the world so fast is because they have their military in like every place around the world :P

ChartZ Belatedly

16:54

@HyperNeutrino And the news + internet

Original Original Original VI

^ Which costs a lot :(

HyperNeutrino

true

i enjoy following US politics the same way one might enjoy visiting a circus

Original Original Original VI

Didn't the US military start the internet or something?

Redwolf Programs

Yeah

ChartZ Belatedly

Spend any amount of time on something like reddit and you realise just how much of the internet is American-centric

HyperNeutrino

16:54

also because canada is basically just Northern US with better healthcare

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms That's the perfect amount to know, because any more and you start getting depressed :/

Original Original Original VI

Ignorance is bliss :)

Redwolf Programs

Most of my knowledge of politics in other countries is WWI-WWII era :p

ChartZ Belatedly

Every time I tell people here that I'm trying to go to uni in the states, the response is always "Why? It's awful there", when in reality the UK is (from my experiences) just as bad (and worse in some places). People just like to ignore bad things about their home countries

HyperNeutrino

i feel like because the US is talked about so much and usually based on its negatives everyone just looks at it and thinks "my country is better so it's good"

Original Original Original VI

16:58

It's a bit like Java being hated on

HyperNeutrino

canada has a similar problem; we have all sorts of issues that a lot of people don't realize because the US is "worse" (except not even necessarily)

Original Original Original VI

@HyperNeutrino Yeah, it's cold :)

HyperNeutrino

we have a worse per-capita incidence rate of anti-asian hate crimes than the US, actually, and it's not by a small amount

ChartZ Belatedly

And intensely racist against indigenous people

Original Original Original VI

@HyperNeutrino And Native Americans too, right?

HyperNeutrino

16:58

that too

ChartZ Belatedly

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI No, First Nations people

pxeger

@HyperNeutrino Is that just because there are more Asian people per capita in Canada?

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly My bad

pxeger

@ChartZBelatedly Luckily the US doesn't have that problem since they all died :/

ChartZ Belatedly

@pxeger I mean

HyperNeutrino

16:59

@pxeger could be? i'm not sure. i think it's per capita of asian people, but i don't know how the stats were calculated

Wasif

Hi everyone, is there any special requirement fro getting bounty in Factor answers?

rak1507

no

ChartZ Belatedly

Native Americans don't exactly have an easy time of it either

Original Original Original VI

@Wasif special treatment?

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