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@cairdcoinheringaahing pretty difficult to beat a string based stack manip language using links
 
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05:35
What the heck, I just dreamed my alarm clock was broken, woke up at 2:30 AM, got dressed in a panic, went downstairs and realized my alarm clock was correct.
05:57
that is insane
wanna use pyke but pyke.catbus.co.uk seems to be dead
06:11
Happens a lot for languages that are no longer maintained
06:43
:/
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A: Golfing Class of a language

isaacgElo ratings, treating pairs of submissions as games. I'm using the Elo system here. Essentially, the solution is find the best solutions in each language to each challenge, and then treat each pair of such solutions as a match between those two languages, with the winner being the shorter submiss...

bit confused with this list
Who even golfs in Ohm v2?!
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Q: How to golf wrap-around assignments?

WallyWestThis is a relatively simple question. I'm trying to golf a Snake game I've written, and I'm trying to work out if there's a way to golf the following conditional assignments which control x and y coordinates of the snake ensuring a wrap around of the play area: if (P<0) { P = T-1; } if (P>T-1) ...

@Razetime I think I might have once
And don't blame me for the order
I only ran the code
Like I like to do each month
Languages with very few uses have some (maybe a lot of) bias to how they work well with the specific challenges
07:16
there may be a chance where some languages play fewer selective games and get more points off that
but I've like, never even seen OHm v2
08:10
@RedwolfPrograms your random button gave me fizzbuzz
as in the actual catalogue one
very helpful because it's not like I already have 8 answers to fizzbuzz
 
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09:21
RProgN 2 beating APL is entirely because of it's niche use cases and nothing else :P
Even funnier is Sesos, which is basically a well-compressed brainfuck
I guess the cutoff should be significantly higher
Seems to have a couple issues, but it's probably a fine estimation.
09:38
(maybe someone should try out WHR algorithm instead of Elo)
09:51
@KevinCruijssen How do I turn off safe mode in 05AB1E?
@Razetime It used to be quite popular a few years ago as it was on par with Jelly for like 10 challenges in a row
10:10
hmm interesting
i suppose that has changed lol
It's 05ab1e but it's jelly
Kinda
Dang! Japt's dropped way down the list :( Not surprising, though, seeing as I'm the only "regular" left.
10:40
everything except osabie has tanked in elo
10:58
Only 100 Japt solutions in the past 4 years? That ain't right; I've posted >1000 in that timeframe ...
@Razetime TBF a lot of the language’s user bases have left. Me and Jonathan Allan are pretty much the only 2 Jelly posters who still regularly post (Lynn does on occasion and xigoi’s getting going, but Dennis, Xcoder, miles, fireflame, Leaky and Erik have all left)
and I guess Shaggy and I are lone soldiers in Japt and Husk
Until the LotM, Husk was close to dead. Really 05AB1E and Japt are the only two golfing languages that have kept dedicated posters over the past 2/3 years
I think arn might gain a following with newbies if it has an LoTM anytime soon
Ohm v2 was the same, the reason you barely see it now is because Xcoder and totallyhuman were the main posters (along with the creator, I forget their name) and they’ve both gone inactive
@Razetime Quite possibly. TBH Arn and Stax have never been my favourite languages. They seem to be more “how good is the language’s compression?” rather than “how inherently golfy is the language?”
11:12
oh those people are mad good
I like stax mostly because of it's editor
Same with Japt
The language I've written that gets the most use by those other than me is RProgN2 entirely because it has a funny stack behavior that makes one type of quine really easy.
@cairdcoinheringaahing cough am I not a dedicated poster of Charcoal and Retina?
both of those have great systems
@Neil Good point, my mistake
(Is Jelly no-longer actively used?)
11:15
@ATaco It is, but no where near the same scale it used to be
I miss the Golden Era.
I used to have to compete against Dennis, Xcoder, miles, Jonathan Allan and more, now it’s just a couple of people :(
@ATaco Me too :(
I hope Dennis is doing alright.
@ATaco As caird said, it's mostly him and xigoi very recently
And occasionally me , if the challnge is really trivial
There’s a SEDE script somewhere in the transcript which counts how many answers each user has posted in a specific answer, and like 8/10 of the top Jelly posters are inactive
@ATaco Same. It’s such a shame there’s nothing we can do to help, makes it even worse :(
@Razetime Don’t forget Jonathan Allan
11:19
and yes, Jonathan Allan
11:37
@cairdcoinheringaahing Erik The Outgolfer
11:50
hmm just found this thing called Samau
@Razetime Yep, Erik and Leaky. Honestly, all the golfing langs took a hit when Erik and Leaky left
12:18
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Q: Dobble Double Challenge

bishbashboshI have a problem, which I haven't found a solution for. Solutions to the first part are well documented, but I have yet to find anyone who has solved the second part. I call this the "Dobble" challenge... Challenge 1 Using the numbers 1 - 57, populate 57 arrays. Each array must have 8 numbers in ...

 
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@Neil Is there a way to run the charcoal intepreter(current commit)?
It errors on the clock import
dunno python well enough offhand sorry
I saw you had a few animated answers
so i figured I'd ask
13:35
probably used an older version of python at the time
is it just me or do chat notifications always appear in the inbox even if you click on them in chat?
they reappear as well
 
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0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

RazetimeGolf me a polygonal loader ascii-art code-golf animation Given three positive integers as input, animate an ascii-art polygonal loading symbol on the screen. Intro Using the first input \$n\$, Take one the following regular polygons: * * * * ...

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

caird coinheringaahingSociable numbers Sociable numbers are a generalisation of both perfect and amicable numbers. They are numbers whose proper divisor sums form cycles beginning and ending at the same number. A number is \$n\$-sociable if the cycle it forms has \$n\$ unique elements. For example, perfect numbers are...

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Q: All-inclusive semi-primes

caird coinheringaahing\$723 = 3 \times 241\$ is a semi-prime (the product of two primes) whose prime factors include all digits from \$1\$ to \$n\$, where \$n\$ is the total number of digits between them. Another way to look at this is that the (sorted) digits in the factorisation of \$723\$ are all consecutive. The f...

 
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18:43
I forgot how useful the sandbox is :/
@RedwolfPrograms I always recommend using the Sandbox, just as a rule, but especially if it isn't a vanilla :/
I skipped it on my most recent one, but as far as I can remember, I've used it for the last ~20 at least
19:36
Nice, 7.5% of the challenges on this site are mine :p
20:03
is it ok if I cross-post cs.stackexchange.com/questions/132144/… to ppcg (with permission from the author)?
I think it would fit a fastest-algorithm challenge
20:17
0
Q: Reinstate Monica

Victor VosMottorHistory I hope every one remembers Monica Cellio so... Task You need to write a program/funtion that prints/returns all names of all users that have Reinstate Monica in their name on Code-golf SE (this site). More detailed: It shouldn't find any other "supporting Monica" things like avatars etc....

20:29
I was going to joke about how this is the most useless Google Trends map, except that it turns out it's really accurate at determining the increase in access to the internet over time in developing countries
20:43
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Q: Edit distance where a substitution only costs the first time

AnushThis challenge is about the following version of edit distance. Say we have a cost of 1 for inserts, deletes and substitutions as usual with one exception. A substitution for a given letter x for a letter y only costs 1 the first time. Any further substitutions of x for y cost 0. As simple exam...

@cairdcoinheringaahing Why are impossible restrictions allowed?
@RedwolfPrograms Because answerers may choose which restrictions they want to follow
If you want to require new answers to only use the 0x01 byte exactly 5 times and nothing else, go ahead. No one has to choose that restriction
Makes sense, you might want to clarify the step by step breakdown with that as it makes it seem at first like you have to follow all of them (maybe "while also following one or more of the restrictions" instead of "while also following the restrictions")
The only issue I can think of with the actual challenge is that it seems like it would stay easy if the current restrictions are easy (because there'd be many to pick from), and stay hard if the current restrictions are hard (because there'd be few to pick from).
21:20
@RedwolfPrograms Well how easy each round is is entirely up to the posters
I'd expect it to increase in difficulty as it progresses though as interest would wane
(and there are fewer languages/restrictions to choose from)
CMQ: Of your questions, what is the smallest n in "1 upvote per n views"? For example this has an n of 26.77
(I actually looked into that once across the site, the overall best was (at the time) 1:14)
@RedwolfPrograms Just post a challenge, get a +1 with like 5 views then delete. Boom new record :P
I wonder if a SEDE query could do this? Doing it by hand is pretty time consuming
How much math can SQL do?
@RedwolfPrograms Anything with >1k views is not worth checking TBH
My lowest is 11.5 on my latest challenge (maybe a bit cheat-y) then 17.08
The best way is probably to take those with <1k views, then sort by vote count and calculate each of those
21:37
I get Political Simulator, with +16 and 386 views
Oh never mind, it didn't save.
This is the query, just replace my user id with yours
The current one in the lead for the whole site is "How Much Ya Bench?" with 9 votes and 102 views, with "Space Navigation" at 9 votes and 103 views
("You have 2 seconds left for editing" is not a fun message to see when editing something...)
21:57
@RedwolfPrograms Surprised that my OEIS isn't the worst (for positive scoring ones)
> What color is this? 9 2077
That's a hell of an extreme

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