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12:00 AM
SO says to use 'seperators' options but I get got an unexpected keyword argument 'seperators
 
solution: reduce the gaotspek
 
@EriktheOutgolfer ??
 
> seperators
 
>_<
 
Is that what caused the problem?
 
12:07 AM
yes
what would be a good compression algorithm for compressing a JSON containing mostly english words
I tried shoco as I would think entropy would do well but deflate does significantly better
 
@Downgoat brotli
 
@ASCII-only owow brotli is good
 
12:33 AM
anyone who doesnt follow me on twitter: if its because of the whole English major thing, im sorry. the Correct term is, of course, "west americano studies"
please forgive me *bows*
 
12:47 AM
Apparently a "major" minecraft update came out last month... reminds me of the ppcg server we used to have.
 
you mean the several servers we had
I honestly just can't bring myself to do anything more in Minecraft because I'm lazy and I already did so much
I don't know how Etho does it
manage to keep building crap in a 6 year old world
 
I think he's drastically slowed down the rate of new episodes though... gonna go check.
Okay, in his main world he went from episode 500 to episode 509 in 5 months.
 
that's pretty decent but
 
But he's still putting out lots of other minecraft videos.
 
Factorio seems to be the drug of choice among Minecrafters now
 
12:57 AM
I honestly have been all minecrafted out since our last server as well.
 
I think for me at least what always made heavy tech modded Minecraft not as enticing is that even though there's more work to do the setups for things are all too straightforward
Machines in vanilla Minecraft are stupidly complicated and that was kinda fun
Sure I could use two or three blocks from AE2 to take care of all my items forever, or......
 
It's like Lego or whatever... the whole point it to build cool machines from simple parts.
But minecraft hasn't really had any new potential since slime blocks or whenever.
 
I wish they could find a killer new part, like the hopper or something, that adds a lot of potential but not because it just simplifies something you could already do like the observer block
Speaking of tech mods I did like Rotarycraft a lot
despite the author's deathgrip control over it like Mo'Creatures
 
A couple weeks ago I was helping out with some sort of middle school lego mindstorms camp. Makes me want to build something cool like a clock.
Lego is apparently really expensive though.
 
1:44 AM
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Q: Minecraft Language Files Updater

pfgIn 1.13, minecraft language files were switched from being a simple multiline key=value format to JSON. Challenge Write a program converting from the original format returning a JSON string. Input can be taken using any standard input method, output must be json from any standard output method ...

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Q: Display a clock face

xnorDisplay the 12 numbers on a clock face exactly like this: 12 11 1 10 2 9 3 8 4 7 5 6 To better see the grid, here's one with dots: ....

 
2:07 AM
@DJMcMayhem I recently came across this file which supposedly highlights NetHack des files, but I have no idea how to enable or import it, can you help me out?
 
2:29 AM
I've suddenly realised that the docs for my language contain a blatant lie...
 
only one? mine typically have several
the biggest of which is usually "in progress"
or "coming soon"
 
3:29 AM
OK whoever asked me this question on curiouscat, I'm very interested what your thought process behind it was
I'm going to assume it was @Pavel
 
?
 
guess that's a no
 
You mean the breathing one
That one was me
 
No
this one is new
 
wasn't me then
 
3:32 AM
I'm not sure I'll answer it but
Mostly because my followers won't like the answer
 
What was the question?
 
what is your favorite question to ask people you don't like
2
 
uhhh,
oh wait that is the question
 
Yeah
It was asked two days ago
 
I have a feeling that if you answer someone is just going to ask that answer :P
 
3:44 AM
Luckily it's a yes or no question and the answer for me is no
not a lot of wiggle room on that
 
4:10 AM
curiouscat is one of those tween bullying sites?
 
@feersum It's pretty simple. You send questions to someone (quartata) anonymously, and then someone (quartata) answers it for everyone to see
It's not a social media site per se
 
@Pavel That's a yes.
 
ehhh.....
not really
 
Really, it's a known genre.
 
I don't think it supports sufficiently complex interaction
 
4:14 AM
@feersum it pretty much is
 
I would give a couple of other examples but I'm having trouble remembering their names.
 
some of the people I follow have to sift through the most awful crap on CC actually
 
Aha: Formspring.
 
Yeah, or askfm
 
 
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5:20 AM
I have an idea how to make a Geiger counter in SMBF.
 
We welcome everyone to express themselves on our service. Sometimes these expressions may be offensive, controversial, and/or bigoted. We prohibit targeted behavior that harasses, threatens, or uses fear to silence others and take action when they violate our policies.
now
I know what you might be thinking - time to leave twitter
 
W W
@user202729 You should join our room
We are almost done
 
but actually if we crank the adblock up to 11 and tweet as fast as we can, eventually they'll run out of disk space
this is the kind of on the ball thinking you need to be a social media genius
 
@quartata subscribing to blocklists ftw
 
@Downgoat in an idealized world it would be preferable not to have a social network run by an Alex Jones sympathizer at all, but we can't be greedy can we
now how many 280 byte tweets of the word "cantaloupe" over and over again does it take to fill up a blade
can someone help me with the Math
 
5:36 AM
@quartata Probably less "twitter sympathize with alex jones" and more "this way twitter gets more money"
 
can't it be both
 
maybe the former is a consequence of the latter
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

labmannA function to traverse an array and re-generate the same array We take an array, then write a function that will traverse the array and generate the array in a format given in the example below. For example, given the array: Array ( [0] => Array ( [name] => Tom [age] => 32 [k...

 
5:58 AM
CMC: Golf a JS snippet that inserts a null byte into the current caret position. Do not introduce any global variable. 143 bytes.
Note that the cursor after insertion must be right after the inserted null byte.
 
Isn't the DOM a global variable?
 
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I wonder why you ask that
 
To insert a null byte, of course...
 
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What;s the name of the c compiler
 
Which C compiler? ...
 
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6:01 AM
The imortant one
or anyone
I just need to comple C
 
gcc, clang, or tcc.
(come on, just check out TIO)
 
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ok thanks
I did a google search and it told me to use g++
 
Why? ...
 
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Why do I need a C compiler?
I'm fixing the interpreter bug in smbf
 
Why do I need existence?
 
6:03 AM
Just use TIO to compile it...
 
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I'm using tio to compile it, I don't have a c compiler on my computer
I just needed to know the name so I could get tio to compile it
Ok thanks, I already got that far, I just needed to know the name of the C compiler
 
how can you have a haskell compiler and no c compiler
 
(you can also cat the /srv/wrappers/c-gcc file to see how a file can be compiled)
 
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@quartata My computer is old
I do have a C compiler, but it is quirky
 
borland?
just a guess
 
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6:08 AM
I don't remember, I don't generally use it
 
 
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10:24 AM
The US Navy wants to make super-expanding weaponised slime, inspired by the hagfish,  that can trap boats in the water http://bit.ly/2MwxTpj
 
11:01 AM
-1
Q: program code in c language

Binit Kumareveryone knows about multiplication mod n, where n is a positive integer . the product of two positive integer a and b mod n is the reminder when the product is divided by n. write program which constraints N<10^9 and input formate the only line of the input is a single integer N which is divisib...

 
 
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1:48 PM
@user202729 An in-place patch creates a temporary file, which later replaces original file. For some reason, patch tries to change the SELinux context of the temporary file during the move, but the sandbox won't allow that. Most tools would issue a warning and go on, but patch treats it as a fatal error.
Avoiding the in-place patch solves the problem. Try it online!
 
2:03 PM
@JoKing belated thanks ;)
 
 
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3:22 PM
If you go on the help center on mobile, it looks like this:
I think it would look great as the mobile site: small and compact which still having all of the features (like the review queue) of the full site
 
@BetaDecay how long have you had this chat bio
 
Since 2015 probably
 
3:48 PM
Badge icons are gone ... At least for me.
 
can confirm
 
4:08 PM
Some at Nintendo did not handle the heat very well.
 
@mınxomaτ Is that a real tweet?
 
Yes
WAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
@mınxomaτ that was a promotional thing because they're releasing the new WarioWare game
 
Oh yeah makes sense
I should have realized that because I literally just ordered it seconds ago
I thought it was a waluigi thing tbh
 
4:53 PM
uw0tm8 the new ppcg.SE layout
I suspect it's actually the whole SE (because it also changed in math.SE)
 
5:07 PM
@LeakyNun phased rollouts
 
what does that mean?
 
ppcg's rollout was on the 3rd
@LeakyNun that a handful of sites are done one day, then more the next, then more the next, then more the next, etc. until they've rolled out the unified themes to every site
 
ok
 
5:22 PM
@user202729 (x=>x.value=x.value.slice(0,x.selectionStart)+'\0'+x.value.slice(x.selectionEnd‌​))(document.activeElement)
hmm, not sure if it adjusts the cursor position
 
Hi @LeakyNun
 
hi
 
Wonder if you have time and can solve this
18 hours ago, by Mr. Xcoder
(Tricky) Pyth-CMC: Find a 3-byter for square root that does not use @
 
5:41 PM
@_@ I only have a 4-byter
 
@LeakyNun Without @ or with @? In the latter case, it would be good to look up what it does ;)
 
without @
 
Aha, then you probably use ^?
 
Great! That was my solution too
 
5:45 PM
nice
 
I am slightly sad that it cannot be used inside a program tho :)
Unless, of course, +2 bytes...
 
lol
 
Wow, .I seems like an awesome feature... but probably a huge pain to implement :P
 
I am somewhat disappointed that I never had the opportunity to actually use on PPCG, because its functionality is truly neat!
 
binary search lol
 
5:50 PM
reviews all Pyth answers and checks... maaaybe I can use it somewhere :P
 
@Mr.Xcoder did I miss any good challenges?
 
Depends on your preferences, but surely there have been several good challenges since you were last active
brb
 
6:03 PM
@LeakyNun Depends. When were you last active?
 
@AdmBorkBork long long time ago
last challenge answered Jun 29, second last Jun 9
 
Wow, we've not had a single challenge in 2018 that garnered 40 upvotes
I find that hard to believe. I must be looking at this wrong
 
took me a minute to find the search bar... still getting used to the redesign apparently
 
there are 37 challenges created in 2018 that have garnered 40+ upvotes
 
6:13 PM
Ah, I see what's wrong. When looking at questions, it doesn't show, e.g., "Jan 30 '18", it just shows "Jan 30"
 
thanks
 
The last one is easy but was fun to do in Pyth
There are definitely some I forgot though
 
6:31 PM
@xnor is this answer:
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A: Display a clock face

darrylyeoHTML + JavaScript (Canvas), 13 + 161 = 174 bytes Arbitrary canvas positioning uses 6 bytes. with(C.getContext`2d`)with(Math)for(font='9px monospace',textAlign='end',f=x=>round(sin(x*PI/6)*6)*measureText(0).width*2,x=13;--x;)fillText(x,f(x)+80,f(9-x)+80) <canvas id=C> With grid for c...

valid because it draws a image to the canvas rather than generating text
 
um, is anyone able to see the badge icons from inside PPCG?
 
without userscript, no they don't show for me
 
hm, if enough people can't see them, it's probably not caching, and I have a third issue to report :P
oh wait some mister ninja'd me
 
I can't see them
 
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A: New "stock theme" roll out

Mr. XcoderBadge icons are missing On the Main site: On Meta:

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6:36 PM
^ Upvote this!
 
but don't star it please
it doesn't deserve any more attention than the other 17 issues, imho :P
(soon to be 18)
 
@EriktheOutgolfer FWIW, the CSS sprite image containing the badge icons is loading correctly. So, it might be an issue with the stylesheet itself. (But I didn't investigate any further.)
 
@Downgoat It generates text on a canvas. You can tell by the grid he posted.
It has font and text
And it has the required output. It's not like he's interpolating just the numbers along the outside of a circle or something.
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A: Default for Code Golf: Input/Output methods

wefwefa3Programs may output by displaying it on screen. This makes it possible to use languages like Vim script that can't print output directly to stdout. Example from this challenge: $ echo "This is a test line!" | vim - -c 'nm Q vEUWvEuWQ|norm Q' Will display: THIS is A test LINE! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ W...

 
why are you broken chat :(
 
6:45 PM
Is it me or are badge icons currently invisible?
 
lol look above
 
... -.-
 
wat Apple removed subtraction from sswift 4
 
negative numbers too?
 
@Downgoat Whaaaat? rage
 
6:47 PM
subtraction is actually more useful than addition
 
@Downgoat wait, what do you mean? the - operator is removed?
 
@mbomb007 it is text but it's rendering the character by character in a circle so it visually appears like the output
@Mr.Xcoder I'm trying to subtract unicodeScalars.first!.values from each other which has an explicit Int32 annotation
 
@Downgoat Oh they removed overloading to other integer types?!
 
does &- work by any chance?
(saw it in the docs)
 
6:51 PM
Oh yeah that's overflow subtraction
I doubt it would
 
not sure, I just changes version to swift 3 and it works >_<
 
TIO please?
I am really curious to see why
 
Thanks
 
> expression was too complex to be solved in reasonable time; consider breaking up the expression into distinct sub-expressions
interesting excuse for a compiler to say "I'm too stoopid to compile this" :P
I call bs VSL compiler can compile this level of complexity!
 
6:59 PM
I got the above message a couple of times while compiling a simple expression of pow and int->double conversions
 
ugh, you actually need to create the file before you can use git add -N, seems self-defeating
 
would appreciate some feedback on this
 
@ConorO'Brien Since we're allowed to change the order of languages, presumably we're also allowed to completely rewrite the submissions as necessary, so long as we keep the same languages?
 
correct
is that unclear from the challenge/should I make it more clear?
 
I think it's implied, I'm just reading through it the first time and that stuck out to me.
 
7:13 PM
I think the spec is crystal clear and I like the idea. +1
 
@ConorO'Brien it's clear but I would re-specify the 'distinct' languages part in 'The challenge' section
 
The existance of /bin/cc is mandated by POSIX, right?
 
@Pavel since neither my mac or ubuntu box have it I would say no
 
I could have sworn...
 
7:28 PM
cc lives in /usr/bin, not /bin.
 
Ah
@Dennis But there does have to be a /usr/bin/cc?
 
Self-achievement: First answer using ð in a somewhat successful manner in Jelly \o/
 
Would it be useful to have charts in markdown?
 
sounds heavy
 
@Downgoat You mean like a graph?
 
7:34 PM
yes
@EriktheOutgolfer not really, rendered charts would be simple SVG and as for the renderer it would be lazily loaded
 
That would be very nice
 
@Downgoat MathJax sounds like it would be enough
 
CMP: On Axtell, would you use Markdown tables for test cases? Would you also use it on PPCG if SE would have that in their Markdown flavour? (Example)
 
@Mr.Xcoder my plan is to actually add a dedicated tab when writing a post to add test-cases that way they can be machine-readable and be used for automation along w/ tio
 
That sounds good. Looking forward to it
 
7:47 PM
@Downgoat how so?
 
@ConorO'Brien After reading the challenge I was wondering if languages could be re-used and it took me a bit to find it at top of challenge. Since it's an important detail I thought mentioning it again might help someone who scans the question >_<
 
Cool!
 
8:03 PM
what latex commands do you commonly use besides sqrt/sum/int
 
cdot
 
@Downgoat rangle and over
 
@Pavel Historically, yes. By now, the POSIX C compiler is c99, not cc.
 
@Pavel \over as in \frac?
 
@Downgoat \partial \mathrm \mathbb \frac \prod \mid \forall \implies \iff
 
8:07 PM
@Downgoat Probably, I've never actually used \frac
 
@Downgoat \left \right
 
The most LaTeX I've done is formatting some super basic quantum computing stuff, it never got more complex than \phi | \alpha \rangle + \psi | \beta \rangle
 
Oh and also \equiv
 
should axtell's math editor auto-balance parens?
 
ngn
@Downgoat \pmod \begin{array} \ldots \pi
 
8:14 PM
@Downgoat \nonfrenchspacing
:P
 
Also \lim \infty \rightarrow \begin{matrix}
 
I've never used LaTeX.
 
@ConorO'Brien What does that do?
 
55
Q: Double space between sentences

Yossi FarjounI've been reading a question on spaces between sentences on a sister site. The answers there seem to imply that the days of double spacing between sentences are over, and that this was a relic of the type-writer and mono-spaced fonts. I was a little surprised by this, so I took a look in two maga...

@Pavel
 
8:38 PM
Its only me or badges (gold, silver and bronze) color are not appearing?
 
2 hours ago, by Erik the Outgolfer
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A: New "stock theme" roll out

Mr. XcoderBadge icons are missing On the Main site: On Meta:

 
It works if you install the gradscript
So
Yeah
 
Gradscript is great and does all things.
 
Yes
 
I think the graduation script has its own icons
 
8:46 PM
It does (the trophies)
 
Which are superior to the default dots anyway, so it's fine
 
9:05 PM
I just want to say that it's been great participating on PPCG, but there's a great chance that I won't be able to participate as much as I have been for the foreseeable future. I am switching jobs, and I probably won't have as much time to waste spend participating and learning.
 
@mbomb007 What'll you be working on now?
 
@ZacharyCotton, hello, fellow Zachary.
 
@Zachary hello!
 
Clearly Zacharý is the superor variant for having fancier unicode in his name
 
@Pavel But Zachary Cotton.
 
9:13 PM
@Adám Is he made of cotton? :P
@Pavel Speaking of unicode: the onscreen keyboard for the 2-in-1 laptops at our school has some kind of horrible prejudice against the Czech language ... it doesn't have č or ž, but for some reason has ĵ, ĝ, and ĥ, (but not ĉ or ŭ for some reason), and CAPITAL ß.
 
@Zacharý ẞ‽
 
@Adám Yep...
 
@Zacharý That's the first time I hear of a keyboard layout with ẞ (except my own, of course). Even German layouts don't have it.
 
It's not really a layout ... you get accented characters by holding a character, still doesn't excuse the lack of č and ž.
 
@Zacharý Still, ẞ is like the forgotten letter. AFAIK, the only Unicode character for which 819⌶⍨∘1≠1(819⌶)819⌶
 
9:28 PM
@Adám ?
I don't remember all the I-Beams
 
@Pavel Uppercase ≠ Uppercase of Lowercase
 
The forgotten (even by unicode) letter is capital ǰ...
@Adám İ also has that property
 
@Zacharý AH, right, but they didn't have a choice there.
 
@Adám Why not İ <=> ı, since I <=> i already?
 
um, that's not how it works
 
9:37 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer IIRC, there were some languages that used that capital form
 
but, IIRC, for those languages, İ <=> i, and I <=> ı
 
@EriktheOutgolfer I meant, there were languages that had ı's capital as İ.
 
ngn
@Zacharý Turkish
 
yeah, IIRC Turkish has İ <=> i, I <=> ı
so there are conflicts
 
See the comment above yours, @ngn
 
ngn
9:41 PM
did I pick the wrong message to reply to again... I wanted to clarify "some languages"
 
ı is right next to İ in Unicode ...
@ngn No, the message above yours was clarification to what I meant
 
highc(c)
char c;
{
    return (char) (('a' <= c && c <= 'z') ? (c & ~040) : c);
}
^ Clearly the best to-upper method
 
How to tell if you're using classic, see if 1(819⌶)'þ' errors
 
or just type 1<≢'⌺'
 
wait what?! (look at the debug info)
 
9:55 PM
@Zacharý TIO has some APL code to make classic work nicely
 
Þ isn't even in ⎕AV!
 
@Zacharý TIO also doesn't actually convert the input to the SBCS and leaves that to the interpreter IIRC
 
@Adám, can you explain that?
I can't find any similar result with any other character but thorn. My favorite unicode latin character (ý) doesn't experience the same issue.
 
@Zacharý oh the character in the error is Þ not þ
 
Yeah, which is weird, I don't know where that bug comes from. Anybody have a local version of classic to test it on?
 
10:12 PM
@Zacharý the error output is just weird. & don't even show correctly while ¨ does
Really, Dyalog classic is just weird, but that's another story.
 
@Pavel I will be working with Drupal and PHP. I think I'll be getting more acquainted with drupal.stackexchange.com for sure.
 
10:30 PM
Wanted to take a moment out of everyone's Time to appreciate this:
Handing my barber a picture of the Predator and putting my earbuds in.
Please do attempt this, and please post pictures
I am 100% serious
We can use the power of crowdsourcing to find a barber who knows how to do this cut correctly. It can be done
 
@quartata idk if it would work on a goat :|
 
This goat is already maybe 40% there
 
@dzaima Probably because of the codepoint value: ¨ is in the block right after ASCII, while and are not (arrows & geometric shapes [I think] respectively)
 
10:56 PM
@Zacharý So there's really nothing strange here. The error output just dumps horribly/not at all converted things and TIOs Dyalog classic doesn't actually directly convert to ⎕AV
 
@quartata are you sure that's a goat
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

BeefsterBidirectional Reverse Quine quine code-golf Create a program that outputs its own source code in reverse order. This reversed quine should also be a program with the same properties. More succinctly, abc outputs cba and vice-versa. Rules No palindromes. There are already palindrome quine c...

 
@Pavel pretty sure
Wait
well it was first result for dreadlock goat how did they screw this up
it's a sheep
 
11:16 PM
@dzaima Still though, why only þ => Þ?
 
11:40 PM
That definition of a quine ... seems a bit odd. I do appreciate that there are rules in place for stuff like that happening.
 
@Zacharý the reason you don't hear about invalid quine answers is because they're all deleted. Without those rules the quine challenge would all be just 0 in pretty much all the golflangs
 
or empty programs in most interpreted languages
 
@ConorO'Brien that one I've known about for a while from the obfuscated C competition.
 
they seem to be on the same tier of triviality
 
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Q: Q​u​i​n​e R​e​l​a​y​!

Conor O'BrienQuine Relay! A quine relay of order \$n\$ is a series of programs \$P_1\dots P_n\$ in distinct languages such that each program \$P_i\$ outputs \$P_{i+1}\$ and \$P_n\$ outputs \$P_1\$. For example, a 2-quine relay can be seen here: Ruby → Perl 6: This Ruby program: $><<"print (" p (DATA.read...

 
11:50 PM
Yay more answer chaining.
 

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