The Nineteenth Byte

Christopher

21:00

like recursive flat earthers

Mr. Xcoder

@AdmBorkBork Yeah mainly because there have been no challenges on Main for a while and I have nothing better to do atm

Hosch250

FWIW, I do happen to know that a lot of flat earthers just view it as a debate society.

They figure if they can win an unwinnable debate they must be pretty good, so they try.

Christopher

loses

betseg

@Mr.Xcoder A&!B|!A&B

caird coinheringaahing

@Hosch250 What are you talking about, "flat earth"? Everyone knows the earth is shaped like an Oreo and we haven;t discovered what's on the other side :P

Hosch250

21:05

@cairdcoinheringaahing But Oreo's are flat...

betseg

well, 2 flat surfaces, no? /ninja'd

caird coinheringaahing

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I just took inspiration from the Oreo packet in front of me :P

Hosch250

@betseg Hmm. What's in the middle?

betseg

@Hosch250 magma

Christopher

@betseg dennis lives there

caird coinheringaahing

21:07

@Hosch250 The computer that can run Tetris in GoL :P

Hosch250

LOL.

Christopher

i don't remember living there

Riker

21:18

i.sstatic.net/5UF1V.jpg cc @flawr

Hosch250

LOL.

H.PWiz

21:33

Star clear please

Erik the Outgolfer

...woah

please stop it

Adám

2 new mods, none around.

Fatalize

Interesting hobby

Dennis

Who's not around?

totallyhuman

dumb hobby

Adám

21:34

@Dennis PLease clear those stars.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám that's ROs' responsibility BTW, not just mods'

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Well, any ROs around?

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám didn't say any RO around :P

HyperNeutrino

(I mean Dennis could help us out because mod > RO and he is an RO anyway :P) and stars are dying

yay :D ty

Erik the Outgolfer

old ROs tend to reduce their servitude as ROs over time, just see the full list of ROs to see for yourself lol, but mod > RO

Dennis

21:36

@Adám Had already started.

HyperNeutrino

when stars are cleared off of a message, do the people who starred that message get their stars back?

Erik the Outgolfer

no I don't think so

HyperNeutrino

ok good, makes sense

Dennis

I sincerely hope they don't.

Erik the Outgolfer

technically, clearing the stars isn't the same as them unstarring the messages, just that negative stars are applied

Dennis

21:37

@EriktheOutgolfer You might want to pick a better word than lazier. People do have lives, and they aren't necessarily watching TNB, even if they have the tab open.

Erik the Outgolfer

and so the message then appears unstarred

Fatalize

@Dennis Is it possible to know which person abused stars?

HyperNeutrino

are there any people around here that are Sandbox ROs? or would a mod be willing to help me try something in Sandbox?

Erik the Outgolfer

@Dennis fixed :)

Dennis

@Fatalize Thanks to Doorknob reporting a bug in the chat API, no. At least not to moderators.

Fatalize

21:39

Well that's too bad

Erik the Outgolfer

I'm sure that's visible to at least some of the CMs, they have the ability to just open the files on the servers directly

HyperNeutrino

@Dennis would you be willing to help me test something to do with stars in Sandbox?

Hosch250

I happen to know as a previous star spammer, people don't get stars back.

Also, I remember when this was the most star-happy room on the network. Did people grow up, or something?

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah, this room has "matured" over time

Hosch250

I don't know whether to be happy or regretful.

Erik the Outgolfer

21:41

back in the day, it was one of the most lenient rooms, nowadays it's one of the strictest rooms

Dennis

@HyperNeutrino What exactly?

Christopher

^^ very true :P

HyperNeutrino

I want to star a message, have it cleared, and then try to "star" it and see if it unstars or restars.

Christopher

doesn't let you star

Erik the Outgolfer

and more so recently, thanks to a chatiquette update done by our precious ROs

Christopher

21:42

because stars have been cleared

Dennis

@HyperNeutrino Star this.

8

Christopher

ok then once you clear

I can star it

HyperNeutrino

hm ok "You have already voted, but the voting has been cleared by a moderator" shows up for me

ty :D

Hosch250

You can, but Hyper can't.

I know that much from past experience.

Erik the Outgolfer

> a moderator

why discriminate ROs from mods :(

HyperNeutrino

21:44

I mean RO can do it but maybe the site knows that it was ~~actually~~ also a mod :P

Hosch250

No..

It's a chat mod.

Same message, unless I'm mistaken.

flawr

@Riker hehe, even I invaded liechtenstein during my service:)

Christopher

@flawr ?

Erik the Outgolfer

see the image...

Christopher

i did

but confused by his statement

programming question

Fatalize

21:46

iirc Swiss citizens have a mandatory military service

flawr

we even used public transport (without the knowledge of our officer ofc)

Fatalize

so he's probably talking about that

Christopher

ah

how should I handle doors in a top-down game

like just tracking what door goes where

Erik the Outgolfer

uh what

Christopher

code

flawr

21:47

if you're based in the us, you don't handle doors, but you knob them

4

Christopher

i am filled with rage

@Doorknob is this true?

Hosch250

@flawr US calling. #TIL.

quartata

may or may not have read that in yahtzee's voice

Hosch250

You open/close them.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Christopher that pinged him for real though

Christopher

21:49

@EriktheOutgolfer ZWS

i made sure that it didn't.

flawr

@Doorknob did that ping you? ^^^^^

Hosch250

@EriktheOutgolfer Did this ping you?

Erik the Outgolfer

maybe that's more appropriate for the sandbox...

Christopher

@EriktheOutgolfer do you see my point?

back to my question. I have a top-down game. I am trying to handle going into and out of doors (loads new level). How do you think I should try doing this?

right now I can have 1 door per room, makes linear game

HyperNeutrino

wait doors are one-way

Christopher

21:53

well kinda

Hosch250

@Christopher Construct a tree.

Each room is a node.

Each door goes to a new room.

Christopher

that sounds like something i have no idea how to do :/

HyperNeutrino

are you talking about how mechanics work for moving into doors or about how doors should be placed or how room connections should be stored

Christopher

last one

i can do the first 2

code here

Hosch250

@Christopher Learn about trees then.

HyperNeutrino

21:54

^

Hosch250

Here's a very simple one:

Christopher

@Hosch250 has to be done in the next 8 hours

HyperNeutrino

D: stop using khanacademy it's worse than normal js

Christopher

no choice

Hosch250

public class Tree
{
    public Tree Parent {get;set;}
    public List<Tree> Children {get;set;}
}

DJMcMayhem

21:55

@Christopher The way you define home and outside is one of the most painful things I've ever seen

HyperNeutrino

0/10 how to play game

Christopher

WASD and space to go into door

HyperNeutrino

I agree. What on earth is that

Christopher

temp code m8

HyperNeutrino

still

is there meant to be something happening other than the screen moving around

Christopher

21:56

they are currently blank templates

@HyperNeutrino not yet

HyperNeutrino

ok

Christopher

once i get doors working then I have NPC

HyperNeutrino

ok

Christopher

but back 2 doors

HyperNeutrino

and you need to finish in 8 hours o_O

Christopher

21:57

yeah

all my old work is dead

Mr. Xcoder

I dislike KhanAcademy... You can’t even scroll through the code on mobile ;-;

HyperNeutrino

anyway gtg o/

DJMcMayhem

→ 46 messages moved to PPCG-gaming

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem and now move the other half :P

Christopher

ty

other half is programming

Erik the Outgolfer

22:07

then something was mixed up ;P

Christopher

my code

Riker

@flawr wait, what

imma need some context

oh, I forgot switzerland has mandatory military service

flawr

@Riker well our mission was so secret that our superior didn't know we were there

2

ASCII-only

@Christopher i though you said you had 3 days >_>

flawr

but we got some nice beer and went to a museum

2

ASCII-only

22:15

@Christopher ...

Christopher

@ASCII-only time was cut

i am stuck on doors

ASCII-only

@Christopher still?

Christopher

@ASCII-only yeah

i can't figure out how to track what door leads where

Hosch250

Learn about trees ASAP. You won't forget it.

Christopher

PJS no trees

ASCII-only

22:17

@Christopher ... you can do it in like 1 line

Christopher

@ASCII-only how????

ASCII-only

@Christopher first. where's the door on the outisde

Christopher

beta

ASCII-only

@Christopher pls link...

Christopher

added it now

khanacademy.org/computer-programming/fbla-sandbox-game/…

Hosch250

22:17

public class Room
{
    public int RoomID {get;set;}
    public Room Parent {get;set;}  // door into room
    public List<Room> Children {get;set;}  // doors out of room
}

Riker

@Hosch250 ikr trees are great

Christopher

jeez color sceme is bad

Riker

my personal favorites are japanese maples, they turn nice colors

ASCII-only

@Hosch250 :/ but doors are two way

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Very well deserved bounty :-)

Riker

22:18

ASCII-only

@Riker well here you don't even need trees

Hosch250

You could still use a tree, or you could use a map.

Christopher

@Riker nice tree

Hosch250

Make a map of Room; Room[]

flawr

@Riker /r/marijuanaenthusiasts/

Riker

22:19

@flawr /r/potatosalad called they want their jokes back :)

Erik the Outgolfer

@flawr lol why is that sub named like that

Riker

@EriktheOutgolfer since the actual marijuana enthusiasts took /r/trees

Christopher

hahah

Erik the Outgolfer

what a coincidence

Riker

for whatever reason, /r/potatosalad and /r/johncena are also swapped iirc

flawr

22:21

@Riker haha, this is great :)

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Shifting-Oriented Programming code-challenge restricted-source string We shift a string by a number n by getting the character value c of each char in the string, calculating (c + n) mod 256, and converting the result back to a character. As an example, shifting "ABC123" by 1 results in "BCD23...

Christopher

@ASCII-only you said it was simple and left me alone :P

ASCII-only

@Christopher hang on i'm doing it >_>

Christopher

ty <_>

H.PWiz

@Dennis Can you add a plain numeric output option to FRACTRAN please?

Christopher

22:27

ಠ-_-ಠ

fractan is so horrible looking

@JohnConway plz don't

H.PWiz

@Dennis Also maybe add input in factorised form?

Christopher

If.
  ― Sparta's reply to Philip II's message, "If I enter Laconia, I will raze Sparta to the ground."

TIL

ASCII-only

@Christopher btw are doors solid

Christopher

@ASCII-only that works

ASCII-only

@Christopher but are they or not

Christopher

22:36

not planning on it

H.PWiz

@Dennis nvm, just saw that no option is needed for input in factorised form (apologies for the pings)

Zacharý

New idea: FRACTRAN in GoL (Conway in Conway)

Christopher

why not GoL in fractran?

Hosch250

Next idea: Write a program in which you make it do things by writing FizzBuzz. It'll be successful when you can write a FizzBuzz in FizzBuzz.

Christopher

wtf?

Zacharý

22:43

@Christopher That'd be too easy

Christopher

@Zacharý not everything in life has to be hard ~*The creator of Pain-Flak*

Zacharý

Considering it's already a register-machine-like-language

ASCII-only

@Christopher done

Christopher

:D

ASCII-only

@Christopher great :P it'd be weird since the doors are inside the room

Christopher

22:44

yeah

what lines did you change

Destructible Lemon

@Zacharý how would that be easy

i feel like gol in fractran would be harder than fractran in gol

ASCII-only

fixed width/height in collide, added doorEntered variable and fixed the door function

Zacharý

As in, compared to Fractran in GoL...

ASCII-only

also 69-72

Zacharý

I forgot QFT was a thing, they had a computer... NVM!

Christopher

22:45

@ASCII-only ok so you fixed collide ty

ASCII-only

@Christopher collide is fine, just width/height were swapped, btw you're not supposed to use collide for doors because you'll be on the door

Christopher

@ASCII-only o

yeah

ASCII-only

also, the way i did doors was just area code -> y -> x which gives destination (area code, y, x)

Zacharý

@Christopher Is THIS what you were making the game in? Or was it someone else/another game?

Christopher

@Zacharý this

@ASCII-only i broke it

Zacharý

22:50

...

Christopher

fixed it

made it so you start on center of door now

New Main Posts

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Q: Selecting a letter from random group of array for registered user in php

I am facing problem at the following if anyone could help would be appreciable. So, basically the problem is i have two groups say A and B which i have predefined in an array like $random_groups = [B,A,A,B,A,A,B,B,A,A,B,B,B,A,A,B,A,B,B,A,A,A,B,B,A,B,B,B,A,A,A,B,B,A,B,A,A,B,B,B,A,A,A,B,B,A,A,B,A,...

Luis Mendo

@DJMcMayhem Your first put-on-hold mod hammer? (whatever it's called) :-)

DJMcMayhem

Uhmmm... Almost

I was the fifth vote on a question a couple of days ago, so I'm not sure if that counts (since I could have closed it with or without my diamond)

Erik the Outgolfer

I think he had a hammer before becoming a mod

DJMcMayhem

22:57

That was just a dupe-hammer

Erik the Outgolfer

oh right

DJMcMayhem

Oh that's right, I remember now. I used my hammer to close a spam question because it was 3 AM and I didn't realize it was spam lol

Christopher

I have a boop hammer myself

@DJMcMayhem boop

DJMcMayhem

Ow!

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem toot toot 3 AM shouldn't use ~~hammer~~ shiny, well-respected diamond

Christopher

22:59

it was a boop not a smack :P

DJMcMayhem

@Christopher Like a Sombra boop? (Do you play OW?)

Christopher

@DJMcMayhem the boop of christopher is a light boop. doesn't hurt

@DJMcMayhem Don't play OW :( (parents)

but i play dota

the boop is about as strong as Leshrac

Erik the Outgolfer

why do parents discriminate games

Christopher

@EriktheOutgolfer idk

against FPS

:(

but I can play borderlands ???

Erik the Outgolfer

maybe they don't like some or all of its PEGI categories

and that's ultimately to their responsibility, not yours

Christopher

23:02

I mean i play borderlands and that is a hella lot worse the OW

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer It's one thing to not let your highschoolers play an FPS game, but it's another thing to let your 6 year old play GTA :P

@Christopher That's way worse than OW (great game BTW, personal favorite)

Christopher

@DJMcMayhem Yeah love the games

Tiny Tina = gold

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem if Christopher is 6 then their account must be deleted lol

Christopher

@EriktheOutgolfer for gosh sakes i am 12 years old and play minecraft!

</joke>

Erik the Outgolfer

@Christopher then I don't know what @DJMcMayhem meant by that

Christopher

23:05

@EriktheOutgolfer People let their 6 year old kids play GTA. Mine don't let me play most FPSs while I am in HS (last year baby)

Erik the Outgolfer

but...why :(

Destructible Lemon

the moral panic about violent video games coming back?

Christopher

@EriktheOutgolfer idk :()

I cannot play any halo besides halo 5

but cannot do multi halo 5

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer I just meant that IMO parents certainly should restrict what games their kids play to at least some extent

Destructible Lemon

does halo 5 have robotic enemies or something?

Christopher

23:06

@DJMcMayhem for sure

@DestructibleLemon no

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem actually I think there should be laws related to PEGI

Christopher

Some are, but you still get to uhh remove the heads of minions bare handed

Destructible Lemon

i think i have halo 5 at my house but i never played it because it doesn't have local multiplayer or something

Christopher

rip

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer I thought there are

(ESRB over here)

Erik the Outgolfer

23:08

@DJMcMayhem hm, maybe seeing this would make a parent of a 6yo more aware of the situation

Christopher

@DJMcMayhem for buying things perhaps

quartata

No not in the US

Erik the Outgolfer

in Europe, yes (or every country which uses PEGI for that matter)

quartata

Canada also (ESRB rates, film board enforces)

Christopher

rip

DJMcMayhem

23:10

@EriktheOutgolfer honestly, I don't think that's the reason that some parents are strict what video games their kids can play.

If I had kids, I wouldn't want them playing GTA because of the drugs and sex in it, not because I think it would make them likely to shoot up a school

Christopher

^

violence is my parents :\

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah but I sometimes think that parents just don't want to see and hear what's going on in some video games and the easy solution is to ban them form their kids

quartata

I'd ban GTA just because I don't think it's very good, come at me

Destructible Lemon

what's the deal with people that hate violent video games overlapping with the kind of people that use corporal punishment on their children though?

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem hm, in your place, I'd also ban "RP" promotional material, because "RP" literally means "god knows what"

quartata

23:13

@DestructibleLemon I don't perceive that at all?

Destructible Lemon

@quartata yeah i guess i don't have a response to that

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer I don't know what that means

Destructible Lemon

it's more that they both tend to be traditionalists or something

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem it's "Rating Pending"

and yes of course ESRB should be law in the US and I can't understand why it isn't yet

Dennis

@H.PWiz In its current form, I could only pipe the output to bc to achieve that. The interpreter generates a C file, compiles it to a shared object, and loads it as a library. It prints directly to STDOUT, so there are no bignums.

quartata

23:16

GMP?

H.PWiz

OK, not something I am desperate for anyway

Christopher

@EriktheOutgolfer because freedom makes it unconstitutional

I just spent a min playing with mech keyboard because it sounds go gud

Erik the Outgolfer

freedom needs boundaries too imho, I don't think it should go as far as leting innocent childrens' lives get ruined because of bad parenting

Dennis

@quartata That seems like overkill for the sole purpose of printing.

betseg

C can do this, and some Python answers are just builtin functions that can be assigned to variables, so can I do the same in C?

quartata

23:20

@Christopher try again, that's like saying limiting the drinking age to 21 is unconstitutional

@Dennis this for fractran, right?

Dennis

Yes.

@quartata Drinking isn't covered by freedom of speech.

quartata

right

nor should video games, both are just goods

we have tons of restrictions on similar things

1st amendment is pretty specific

Erik the Outgolfer

the first amendment is about the rights of making any sort of organization or religion, the rights of free speech and press, and the right to petition or complain to the government

it says nothing about "goods" and such

Destructible Lemon

video games are expression though

Erik the Outgolfer

and in the same way a new alcohol cocktail made first by you can also be a form of expression, does that mean people under 21 can legally drink?

Christopher

23:28

yeah

It would be blocking art

@EriktheOutgolfer yes if their parent /guardian serves it to them in their own house

Destructible Lemon

@EriktheOutgolfer really not the same in any way

you could make the same argument for books and stuff

Christopher

Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, and West Virginia — have no exceptions to their underage alcohol consumption laws.

@DestructibleLemon bann em

kidz don't knead to now how to read

betseg

@betseg I'm asking this because f=len -> 3 bytes: len and size_t(*func)(const char*)=&strlen; -> 6 bytes: strlen are just too different

quartata

@Christopher I mean you could try and argue that but I don't think you really want the implications of it

Christopher

@quartata true

@betseg self ping?

quartata

23:31

it wouldn't hold up anyways though

Christopher

:P

betseg

@Christopher yeh

Any opinions on that?

Christopher

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Riker

@flawr how to take care of a camel 101

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flawr

@Riker 10/10 wanna get a camel

Riker

23:39

ikr

Destructible Lemon

@DestructibleLemon wait putting age limits on certain books makes sense

Riker

@quartata gta is a very underwhelming game tbh, I've only played a bit and it got boring pretty fast

ASCII-only

@Adám Doesn't debug contain timing info

Blue

I've never played it and it looks rather boring to me

ASCII-only

Yeah the storyline (if it can be even counted as one) is pretty terrible

Adám

23:50

@ASCII-only Sure, but then start-up and wind-down are included.

Riker

wow I just got a net neutrality thing from know your meme

???

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