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petition to rename jelly to ¢³ƒ
CMC: using no letter characters (including accented ones and combined ones), any other unicode n such are allowed, output "Hello, World!" [code-golf]
How can I prove that x!^2 >= x^x
@Riker Brainfuck: ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++‌​++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
@Qwerp-Derp I have no clue
@Qwerp-Derp I knew non-letter langs would submit quickly but are they golfy
do x without y
reeeee
00:52
@DJMcMayhem Does brainflak code have a different result when run through the brainflog interpreter as compared to the original one in ruby? Is BrainFlog simply another implementation or does it differ in some way?
Anonymous
@Qwerp-Derp Use Stirling's approximation
what if yahoo answers is a bunch of markov chains
@EriktheOutgolfer I know
@Mego I don't think that's even necessary. Since the limit as n→∞ of (n/(n-1))^(n-1) is e, for all n∈ℕ s.t. n>2, (n!)^2/((n-1)!)^2>((n^n)/((n-1)^(n-1)).
Anonymous
@mudkip201 There are multiple ways to go about it. Stirling's approximation was just the first one I thought of :P
01:05
:P
> TFW you run shutdown 0 after a hard day of work and see connection closed by remote host
@Qwerp-Derp This is equivalent to n! ≥ (n^n)/n!. Rewriting, we have n·(n-1)·(n-2)·(n-3)... ≥ n·n/2·n/3·n/4·n/5... Since, for each term, the inequality holds. It holds
01:54
what the heck my laptop fan has been running at full power for like 5 minutes
Because it's an identical copy of my laptop, and as such has serious cooling issues
lol :P it's new though... i literally started using it less than 1 week ago lol
probably because i'm currently installing a thing that apparently requires 2416 actions
oh look it finished and it didn't even work
02:18
lol I'm writing a document and there's a gap running straight down through an entire one of my paragraphs... lol
fortunately it's not immediately extremely obvious (probably due to the font I'm using)
02:42
Someone write me a primality tester in triangular and I'll give you some rep thanks :)
@HyperNeutrino Related ;)
03:33
are the 2018 community ads not live yet?
i'm getting esoteric ide
> "Blessed be the shortest of shortests, for it winneth the kingdom of upvotes." -Book of St Golfus 13:37

"Thou shalt not use loopholes, for they are the wicked works of Lucifer." -Letter to the Meta 13:666
haha
Huh. I wonder what's in the other 665+ verses of chapter 13 of Letter. :P
03:48
2
Q: Friar simulator

ngnThe brethren from the order of St Golfus the Concise have a tradition of reciting a short prayer whenever they see someone make the sign of the cross. Due to the high level of sin measured among tourists recently, they have installed CCTV in the monastery, and they've hired you to help them keep ...

CMC: rewrite ppcg site policies as bible verses
04:08
Why the Greek?
04:54
@cairdcoinheringaahing Nope, no difference at all. It's just a silly name for the Prolog interpreter
There's also pain-flak (Christopher's variant/Python), Brain-hack (Haskell), and crane-flak (C)
@Zacharý It's biblical. ^_^
Translation: "Welcome strangers, be patient always, believe [in] goodwill." A paraphrase of the "Be nice" rules.
well hey at least google translate was close... :P
dlosc is definitely the person for this lol
05:15
...wait, actually the criterion is "first person with a valid answer"
is that legal on ppcg?
programming-puzzle, technically
but I mean who cares it got a nice answer
Anonymous
05:30
@totallyhuman Legal but highly discouraged
@Mego that explains some downvotes on some sandboxed posts of mine
Anonymous
Making FGITW the winning condition is not a great idea
Why is that exactly though?
Anonymous
Because it discourages further competition
05:55
This is the neatest piece of code I've seen in quite a while.
Spoilers: Try it online!
 
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07:33
Why should people learn assembly nowadays?
@user202729 If you program in a language that compiles to native code, like C, if you can read the generated assembly you're able to understand what optimizations were done, and then change your code to make use of optimizations where possible, to get better performance.
Just in general understanding how assembly works can lead to creating faster code.
Also, it's really intresting and a fun challenge, but that might be just me.
08:23
@totallyhuman lol I honestly have no idea how I got away with having no winning criterion at all for so long xD
09:16
:D third gold badge (which is very much so thanks to another language with an OP builtin and also due to how voting works)
@Riker Just found a cool word: Fernbedienungsgehäuseoberflächenbeschichtung (the finish of a remote control housing surface)
And the english translation of this oddly specific word is still golfier XD
09:45
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Q: How many logs can you fit into a number?

Aaron ChristiansenChallenge Given a real number as input, calculate the number of times which the natural logarithm function ln can be applied to it before the resulting number becomes imaginary. Explanation Applying ln to a negative number results in a non-real number. This means that, by repeatedly applying l...

 
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@Riker Charcoal, 31 bytes: ℅⁷²F%,,/℅⁺℅ι⁶⁴, ℅⁸⁷F/2,$℅⁺℅ι⁶⁴!
12:01
Assuming that greek letters aren't letters, SOGL, 23 bytes. 14 bytes of that is just to execute ū..
with the same assumption, SOGL, 13 bytes. Compressed hello|, |World!, with the 1st letter uppercased
12:18
Why is RAM so expensive. And why is it only consumer RAM? 32GB for my notebook will set me back $560 (17.5 $/GB). 192 GB of ECC RAM for my workstation only cost $1250 (6.5 $/GB).
12:42
Do we have a challenge to make a spiral out of an array?
I think so. MATL has a builtin for it
Yes.
(the one which you edited my Mathematica answer)
Come on, I don't remember it. Link?
Thanks a lot :)
ಠ_ಠ No Pyth answer
12:46
No Jelly answer too.
I nearly have a solution to the challenge by Luis Mendo, I know how to generate the image, I successfully generate the sequence, but I am stuck at creating a spiral
Which language?
You can use my formula.
Oh d'oh I didn't realise you had an answer
Oh no... That's waaay too long to implement in Pyth... It might be shorter to actually do it by hand
;-; Pyth has no "reshape" built-in RIP
13:10
Something about coding:
... like all codes, it has an exploit. Even if the protocols runs smoothly, such hacking like circumvention will ensure the outcome to be achieved ,no matter what...
That's the philosophy I used when I wrote my own scripts, so that if I made a careless mistake on my inputs, the code still runs and filter away anything invalid.
But then, relying on such may be too dangerous, because I often felt like having errors being output by the code does stop one from being too reliant on the code to produce results and result in hidden logical bugs being overlooked
13:27
When will the ads actually be live? It seems that I'm still getting 2017 ads... — totallyhuman 10 hours ago
anybody know?
i don't
What programming functions could be useful in an esoteric language (not necessarily golfing)? I'm working on Pepe which uses 2 stacks to work.
13:44
@totallyhuman Comment on the post?
the link above is a comment on the post
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Q: Alice's Tea Party

J843136028There are n places set around a circular table. Alice is sat on one of them. At each place, there's a cake. Alice eats her cake, but it doesn't taste very nice. Then the Mad Hatter comes in. He gives Alice a list of n numbers, each between 1 and n. For each item i in the list, Alice has to move a...

@totallyhuman Grace Note hasn't been on the site since she posted the question :/
> We reset the ads once a year, every December
> asked Jan 29 at 4:23
Liars! :p
Yep :P SE are always a little late when it comes to us :P
TFW someone with 101 rep has more gold badges than me on Meta :/
14:12
7 years ago today, PPCG entered Public Beta!
14:45
136
A: Shortest infinite loop producing no output

DennisL00P, 0 bytes This lang was made for looping, and that's just what it'll do...

halp I don't get the reference
@totallyhuman These Boots Are Made For Walking
 
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15:56
Hapy Birthday/Anniversary (?) PPCG!
@Mr.Xcoder If you assume that π and e are the roots of a monic quadratic polynomial, like (x-e)(x-π)=x^2-(π+e)x+πe=0, you know that this polynomial has at least one irrational coefficient, because π and e are not algebraic. Therefore, either π+e or πe must be irrational
16:12
@totallyhuman APL: -
@Adám but it doesn't return a function
@totallyhuman It's impossible, no?
@EriktheOutgolfer It does. It returns the function f(x)=-x
@Adám would've wroked just fine.
@Zacharý Sure, but that doesn't really do anything.
16:20
I think he meant that when called returns the inverse of itself
@Adám Doing nothing is the inverse of doing nothing ;p
@Zacharý That's doesn't make sense. What's the inverse of returning a function?
@Zacharý Yes, as evidenced by the fact that ⊢⍣¯1 works.
Probably why he said "hehehe".
Or probably some convoluted way with Tradfns
@Adám but - doesn't return - if you actually call it instead of just entering - + Enter in an IDE, does it?
@Zacharý somebody gets it
Hehehe
@Downgoat, did you know there's a place named goats on the roof?
16:37
21 hours ago, by Zacharý
I just figured out there's a store named goats on the roof. And did @betseg change his profile picture?
16:53
@Mr.Xcoder So n was a real number? That name suggested integer
@LuisMendo Sorry, what n?
yesterday, by Mr. Xcoder
CMMC: (Chat-Mini-Math-Challenge) Prove that, among πe or π+e, at least one is irrational
(Of course, the challenbge would have been trivial for integer n)
What n?
The pi looked a lot like n
Aww. ^
16:55
I had the same thought
Ugh... You read π (pi) as n
They look almost the same in my browser/font
natural pi
lol
They look significantly different in my browser :P
:-D
Or a "new" number, pine
This is what I see (normal size) vv
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That's why I dislike the fact that different browsers have different fonts
Lol ^^
looks more like capital pi
PI
Ππ
16:58
@LuisMendo Better yet, piπe :P
:-D
With symbol |
$\pi$ some of us do
I do, but I thought it might be regarded as noise in TNB, because most don't :)
> Now some they do and some they don't
And some you just can't tell
17:05
Lol I completely misread that the first time :D
Gorgeous song and cover image, if you ask me :-)
ಠ_ಠ Dennis' profile has entered my "Frequently visited" section on Safari...
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2 days ago, by DJMcMayhem
I never leave this room :P
Liar, you're not here now! :P
@Mr.Xcoder What are you talking about?
@DJMcMayhem ^^^ You left the room for ~3 minutes :D
Lol
The three minutes exception to my rule
17:14
discord now has... spotify integration?
Yep :D
and an oxford comma
i do like the owner icon though
Wait mini-redesign?
i am the king of this tiny little server!
@Mr.Xcoder just a tiny little icon
Oh the new crown?
17:16
yup
@flawr why the heck is that a word
@Riker So that German Scrabble tournaments can be more fun
17:32
German Scrabble oh jeez no
is german scrabble a thing?
Lol “highlight” is “Sehenswürdigkeite” in German
Really? I though Sehenswürdigkeite meant sightseeing/sights worth seeing
Then I have a really bad teacher
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Q: Dithering Codewars

user77999I do not want a solution I am looking at this: https://www.codewars.com/kata/dithering/python Now I am trying to do research to Dithering and other things to see what I need to know. I looked at ordered dithering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordered_dithering I looked at this article: http...

Could be worse ... could be Turkish, Finnish, or Inuktitut.
@Mr.Xcoder did you use google translate?
it's pretty bad for german last I checked
it's actually pretty bad for most languages
17:40
THe more data, the better the language ... which probably means it's only decent at Spanish.
@Riker No, that’s what our teacher told us.
@cairdcoinheringaahing I thought it was going to be a Dennis meme or something, but I was wrong. This actually fits perfectly.
@DJMcMayhem So basically the 'za'?
17:56
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆGolf a möbius strip of two polyquines code-golfpolyglotquinekolmogorov-complexity Write a program that: when run in language A, it outputs itself reverse. when the reversed source is run in language B, it outputs the original. when the original is run in language B or the reverse is run in la...

VTC ...
> deleted by Community♦ 12 mins ago
How does Community delete a post that isn't spam?
Thoughts on this? Unless there are significant complaints, I'm probably gonna post it tomorrow
@cairdcoinheringaahing link?
17:58
@Riker Second onebox ^
The code-wars question
deleted acct
Ah. So Community takes credit for deleted users' actions?
no
it "removed abandoned question"
The question wasn't exactly abandoned
oh, I didn't see the date
18:01
Also, totally unrelated: These answers are comedy gold :P
18:30
@Mr.Xcoder highlight is highligh in german
@cairdcoinheringaahing you're close enough:) it is literally see-worthy-ness
Looks like high-school German classes are paying off :P
Any feedback?. I'm going to post this later unless anyone objects.
Well I need some help. I have a list containing some elements, each of which is a list. I want to print one element from each list
I m using Python 3.
for i in l: print i[0]
^ do you need a specific element from each list?
18:44
No. All possible combinations
But without permuting
@cairdcoinheringaahing I love it
@ManishKundu that's literally what permutation means
you can either do itertools.permutations or you can just reinvent the wheel
I wonder how hard a challenge which asks you to handle strings would be
@cairdcoinheringaahing For the nth line of code, there must be exactly 2n-1 characters of the program on it. This causes a triangular/pyramid shape, with the first line having only one character and the rest increasing by increments of 2. What? If a program has n lines of code, there must be 2n-1 characters on each line. Is that what you meant?
Actually I see what you are saying
Oh, already posted and I’m on mobile
Answering it in Triangularity would be interesting
And there's the inevitable downvote...
Wait what why the downvote?
@Riker can you please give an example? I m kinda stuck
how many elements are in the first list?
18:50
@Mr.Xcoder ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I've stopped asking by now
Not sure how to do it the shorter way
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Q: Make a Triangularity program valid

caird coinheringaahingTriangularity is a new esolang developed by Mr. Xcoder where code structure has to follow a very specific pattern: For the nth line of code, there must be exactly 2n-1 characters of the program on it. This causes a triangular/pyramid shape, with the first line having only one character and th...

@cairdcoinheringaahing Seems like you didn't :P
moved to Desktop to solve the challenge
I might as well ask, just in case someone bothers to reply. Not that I expect them to...
Okay this is an example list i.imgur.com/OetQRmq.png
Containing 7 lists
18:55
I wonder if it is possible in Triangularity
POSSIBLY
@Riker didn't even know there was an election
nice
so I think that gives a decent answer
@Mr.Xcoder Triangularity is TC, so yes :P
18:57
It's not.
Wait itertools. Product can help me I guess
Since __import__('ast').literal_eval has been addeed...
@ManishKundu importing itertools is way too long
in general at least
@Mr.Xcoder Oh yeah, forgot you removed the hacky way :/
Opps just noticed I had caps above :/
19:03
@quartata I don't see a shorter way apparently
list comprehensions will probably be shorter
what's your current code with it
I will post it just a second
See the answer there.
19:42
CMP: On your first post on PPCG, do you have a 'Welcome to the site!' comment?
yes
That's not my first answer :P
This is
wtf SE why are you listing answers by age in overall view but by votes when clicked "all answers"
Anonymous
19:46
@cairdcoinheringaahing nope
writes Welcome to PPCG comment :P
Anonymous
Though there might have been - there were a few comments with golf suggestions that were removed at some point
Aww, you got two
Anonymous
CMC: given a user ID, post a comment that says "Welcome to PPCG!" on their first post or answer (whichever was first), but only if no comment with that exact text exists.
19:47
i will make a language called  (^G, U+07, bell character, whatever you call it)
@Mego A challenge that detects if you have a Welcome comment could be interesting
@betseg Why?
why not*
@cairdcoinheringaahing Noop
I feel so unwelcome
19:52
am i the only one who is welcome? :D
@labela--gotoa hi
I think I didn't had a welcome too... unsure
But I'm 100% sure that my welcome to Japt users was late :p
TFW you can't even complete your own challenge in your own language :/
what challenge and language? challenge accepted
@DJMcMayhem hey, remember that you're pretty much the only one who contributes in vim!
@betseg Add++ and the Triangularity challenge
19:53
@cairdcoinheringaahing it would be noncompeting, right? Still fun
Noncompeting no longer exists
rly?
per what?
per new consensus of course
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Q: Let's allow newer languages/versions for older challenges

Martin EnderI've been thinking for a long time that our non-competing policy for newer languages (or language versions) is harmful. Just for context, we currently require all answers which require implementations that are newer than a challenge to be marked as non-competing. At the core there was a good inte...

Ahh, that's nioce
Anonymous
19:55
It's always entertaining to open the start menu in Win10 and see the date live tile display the wrong date for a second. Because of course Microsoft can't get something as simple as "display the current date" right consistently :P
Then what would it be if I posted answer to my challenge in my lang? :p
Perfectly fine
Anonymous
@labela--gotoa Banned on sight :P
@Mego Well, mine says I'm in a different country, so yay for Microsoft ಠ_ಠ
@labela--gotoa as soon as you wait it a bit, probably a week, fine
@Mego always happens when i boot my android up, no idea why it doesnt set it while the boot animation runs
of course penguins and others will most probably want to steal the chance by misleading people ;-)
and yeah, I say a week because some people may only have access to a computer some days of the week
I'd say it depends on how used the language is. If it's something like Husk or Jelly, then wait longer than if it were Half-Broken Car in Heavy Traffic
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