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21:00
Speaking of which, I'm stil waiting for @HeebyJeebyMan to come up with a Damerau-Levenshtein distance algorithm in brain-flak
yeah, what Adm said
> it werfs flammens
cracks me up every time
@Riker correct german would obviously be it flammenwerfs
well yea
Come to TNB for the code golf, stay for the linguistics.
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21:08
@flawr do you know any german words that translate very oddly into english?
@Riker let me think...
I'm studying irish right now, my weirdest is "strawberry" -> "juice land"
^ really tnb? didn't send until I flipped back to this tab
@Riker in german it is Erdbeere "earthberry"
huh, so it's english being stupid then
well of course strawberries have nothing to do with straws
21:12
and in my dialect potatoes are "earth apples"
idk I've seen people make them into smoothies a lot
Anonymous
♫ earthberry fields forever ♫
@flawr that makes sense
I'll ask no question about what kind of conversation I'm stumbleing upon
@flawr French?
21:13
@mudkip201 swiss german iirc
@flawr that's true in many languages...
@mudkip201 nope, but it could be connected:)
do you also speak fr in switzerland?
fun fact: the fruits of the potato plant are very poisonous
21:14
... taht's not what it's called whoops
@Riker They only do in the west part
@mudkip201 fun fact: potatos are also very deadly
if you throw them hard enough they will knock somebody off-balance and possibly off balconies
@Riker I mean, yeah, if you get anything going fast enough, it's deadly
The potato fruit is the part of the potato plant that after flowering, produces a poisonous green cherry tomato-like fruit. == Characteristics == After flowering, potato plants produce small green fruits that resemble green cherry tomatoes, each containing about 300 seeds. Like all parts of the plant except the tubers, the fruit contain the toxic alkaloid solanine and are therefore unsuitable for consumption. All new potato varieties are grown from seeds, also called "true potato seed", "TPS" or "botanical seed" to distinguish it from seed tubers. New varieties grown from seed can be propagated...
what about most subatomic particles?
@Riker Do you know of anyone who's survived being in a particle accelerator? Didn't think so.
21:15
@Riker only if I'm forced to XD
@Riker Don't they explode when they collide at high speed?
That was a pretty easy solution. Was fun to think about tho.
@cairdcoinheringaahing would it kill a human?
I mean, if you put /enough/ energy into them
who knows?
@Pavel fault logic best logic
21:16
though good luck with that
@Riker Explosions often do :P
@mudkip201 if you put enough energy into humans we call it spontaneous combustion
@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't recall my coke and mentos murdering anybody
@moonheart08 please see 2nd section of Don'ts here, thanks :)
> I am a seal
thanks duolingo, for clearing that up
@Riker Tumbleweed is a "floor runner"
21:17
@Riker @Riker I was referring to subatomic particles :P
@Riker Huh, I must have done that experiment wrong...
@MDXF Sent by mistake. Sorry :P I didn't even notice i sent it. (I swapped desktops to where i ment to go immediately)
@mudkip201 I was referring to collections of subatomic particles with what we generally call a consciousness
@flawr do you even have those in swisspeopleland?
(my autocorrect is acting up on switzerland, idk why, so I'm just calling it that)
I've only seen them occansionally in california and we have deserts
@Riker hehe, nope, afaik they are only in desert-y veld-y areas, right?
veld?
> open, uncultivated country or grassland in southern Africa. It is conventionally classified by altitude into highveld, middleveld, and lowveld.
TIL tha'ts a thing but uh yeah
21:21
@Riker steppe?
I know steppe, not veld tho
TIL
oh I thought it is the same =/
it might be :p
oh ok, veld/veldt is probably primarily used in africa (and probably has germanic roots: Feld = field)
I just didn't konw the world
I only knew steppe as mongolia
@flawr ooh true
dutch is a germanic language, isn't it?
21:23
The etymological origin is older modern Dutch veldt, a spelling that the Dutch abandoned in favour of veld during the 19th century,[2] decades before the first Afrikaans dictionary.[3][4] A cognate to the English field, it was spelt velt[5] in Middle Dutch and felt[6] in Old Dutch.
yep
@Riker yep I think so
Yeah it's probably just an Afrikaans/dutch word
@mudkip201 wikipedia?
yeah
how'd you guess. The bracketed numbers? :P
21:24
Does Conway's Game Of Life count as a valid language for golfing? If so, i might have an excuse to learn it.
interesting: irish for spider is "wild calf"
Anonymous
@moonheart08 Yep, it's TC
@moonheart08 yes but you need a method to represent 'bytes'
@mudkip201 no he always cites [3] the sources that way [citation needed].
Anonymous
Also there's a computer in it
21:25
you can use a 2d array of 0s and 1s
and a method to represent, well, "output"
might be shorter than golly's
@flawr lel
I've never seen my <title></title> for TNB above <title>TNB (30)</title>, it was <title>TNB (95)</title> when I came back lol.
it used to get above 100 pretty often :p
(during lunchbreaks and similar)
21:30
... Potato Fruit?
How have I gone this long and not known that.
Just like the plural of beef... facepalm
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Magic Octopus UrnFaux Compress a String Given a string s, perform a faux compression on it. Below is an example with f('hello world'). To faux compress a string, start by taking a frequency count of all letters. hello world -> [h:1, e:1, l:3, o:2, :1, w:1, r:1, d:1] Next, sort smallest to largest in count ...

@MagicOctopusUrn whaat
@NewSandboxedPosts Wow the sandbox is full of Magic’s challenges :p
@flawr Beeves, right? Like, what.
@MagicOctopusUrn bee hives?
21:31
@flawr 2x Beef = Beeves.
@MagicOctopusUrn yeah, but it's only for one specific meaning of beef
which isn't the usual one
@mudkip201 Oh, which is it?
@MagicOctopusUrn We could also bring back the archaic plural of cow: 'kine'
Uh, question: How should rust programs that use crates from Cargo be scored?
@MagicOctopusUrn beeves is only used for the plural when 'beef' means "an adult cow, steer, or bull raised for its meat."
21:33
@mudkip201 Yeah, I take that to be the "usual one".
...
really?
@mudkip201 What do you consider the regular beef definition haha.
For me, and for most people I know, beef refers to the meat itself
not the animals
@MagicOctopusUrn Waaaaat
@mudkip201 Oh snap, I misread. Wait, what? Who calls a cow a beef.
21:34
exactly
lol
So what's the plural for meatbeef then.
I guess beef
beefs
or beef
beefs is a valid plural for some meanings afaik
:P
Ah... Thank god. The word beeves screwed up one of my days awhile ago.
Anonymous
@MagicOctopusUrn I call all pigs Bacon
21:36
@MagicOctopusUrn Meatbeef is an uncountable noun, so it doesn't have a plural
@Mego guinea bacon? (would be "sea pigs" in german)
@Magic fishes is a valid plural :P
Anonymous
@flawr Kevin Bacon, Future Bacon, Very Nearly Bacon
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@mudkip201 I am so happy @Magic is me.
21:37
@Mego hahaha
forgot to hit tab
@flawr They're also Sea Pigs in Russian. Now I want to know what Guinea Pig is in other langs
@Mego Now I want to post a challenge using the IMBD API to play "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon"
@Pavel "Cochon d'Inde" in French. Literally "Pig from India"
@Pavel I'm getting more and more the impression that german and russian share a lot of words despite being quite different languages, whether it is in the literal translation or whether it is the actual sound
21:39
Forgive my Geography, but I don't think either of the Guineas are near India
@Pavel geology*
I like how English is basically the only language to call turkeys turkeys
@Pavel According to Wikipedia, south america used to be called "Les Indes"
@Pavel genealogy*
@Fatalize Right, that makes sense.
21:41
@mudkip201 other languages just call turkey turkey
@flawr the bird
>_>
@mudkip201 :D IKR
@mudkip201 In Turkey they're called "Hindi". In Hindu, they're called "Peru", as well as in Portuguease.
@Mr.Xcoder Missing the option for "literally has no bearing on anything."
21:42
@Pavel and in Khmer, they're called French chickens
this isn't even bringing up the weirdness of english "pineapples"
doesn't literally every other language call them "ananas"
except spanish iirc
@Mr.Xcoder really? captcha?
no vote from me >.>
@mudkip201 And in French, they're called "Dinde" which is a contraction of "D'inde", i.e. "Of India"
@betseg it has ananas also
21:43
tl;dr no language agrees on those birds
I've heard both used by native speakers in mexico
In Spanish, it's piña or ananá
@Riker It’s strawpoll, what would you expect
no captcha
you don't need a captcha you know
"indonesia" is literally "indian islands"
21:43
@Riker I think in america we renamed them pineapples because they closely resemble what we call "pine cones".
ya
but what idiot decided to call pineapples something new instead of keeping the name
//shrug
MURICA
Anonymous
@MagicOctopusUrn Yep, and pine cones were originally called pineapples
@MagicOctopusUrn Probably didn’t think of that because it freackin’ affected me today more than ever (I am literally close to capping from the rep I’ve lost from capping :P)
@flawr Russian has a word for the hole that bears dig in the winter in which they hibernate. It's pronounced "Bear lodge". Apparantly the realization that Russian has the Germanic word bear in it caused quite a breakthrough in linguistics not too long ago.
@Mr.Xcoder I did that one time before
@Pavel what would it look like in cyrillic script?
@Mr.Xcoder There's a rep cap?
@Riker Next time put a sound warning on a YT video xD.
@Mr.Xcoder I've done that twice I think, neither on ppcg
@MagicOctopusUrn ftfy
@flawr Берлога => Actually pronounced "Bearloga", but that's clearly a form of "Bear lodge"
21:46
it's not that loud tho
nvm it is
@MagicOctopusUrn You're joking right?
My favorite example of why English is terrifying is this: ncf.idallen.com/english.html
It’s actually my 34th cap on PPCG I think, but neither was so annoying ;-;
@MDXF No? OHHH A WEEKLY CAP.
in turkish we can drink a drink and eat an eat
21:47
@MagicOctopusUrn What no the daily rep cap
@betseg that's great
Yeah, the daily* cap lol. I thought you were talking OVERALL cap on rep, I'm like... how are you capped at 26.6k when dennis has like 200k
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@MDXF I've only capped 2x ._. I'm not a popular man.
26.6k?
@MagicOctopusUrn 1:20 is the best part
@MagicOctopusUrn @MagicOctopusUrn Question. How much of that can we blame on the French
21:49
@Mr.Xcoder I thought you were talking about an "overall rep cap" as in "your rep cannot exceed X total points" not the daily rep cap.
@mudkip201 fair warning: you're double pinging people like that :p
yay two pings
@MagicOctopusUrn I hit the rep cap once. It got reversed for voting irregularities, but I kept the badge.
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oh okay. Didn't notice that it puts the name automatically
@mudkip201 shrug, doesn't matter if I'm here.
21:54
@Pavel sockpuppeting? ಠ_ಠ
@MagicOctopusUrn -1 no freehand red circle
trashes entire TNB, like he usually does upon entering.
There are other types of voting irregularities.
@MDXF Nope, just some random guy upvoted my everything.
21:55
The chat moved up as I hit reply sorry
@MagicOctopusUrn lol wut
I rarely trash stuff in here without asking
this might actually be the only time
@Pavel most of my repcaps were from your favorite answer of mine :P
Don't I know it.
@Riker Lol I meant I ruin TNB every time I enter. Ask DJMcMayhem, he deletes my ADHD bs every time I show up xD
ah
22:01
I don't even know how to trash my own posts, how'd you even do that
@MagicOctopusUrn You can only do it in a room you own
is it bad that I just learned you can do x[0] = y with python lists
I never knew they were mutable like that
probably :P
tuples, on the other hand
@Riker wait why is your Vegetarianism account hidden
22:03
all of them are
Odd, why's that?
somebody irl being a stalker, unrelated to SE things
ninja'ed
It was off topic, but still interesting conversation
whoops uh I didn't mean to nuke that msg @MDXF >.>
I clicked to nuke mine since it wasn't doing so on my screen
@Riker That's actually not really helpful. I like to be able to link to places I have trashed messages, now I can't anymore
22:06
I really... really... don't think I've come in here without being off-topic.
@DJMcMayhem oh, did I move those to a mod trash?
I don't even know where you moved them now
1 message moved to Trash
What the heck
@DJMcMayhem to the main trash
then I moved them to a non-gallery trash since I'm uncertain about the viewability
Maybe we should just timeout tnb for a bit?
22:08
@DJMcMayhem sorry didn't realize that was bad
nah we'll just move forward and ignore the last 5 minutes
Why the mass trashing?
@Mr.Xcoder nonsense and uncomfortable topics
Anyyyway, back on topic, can people go through my SB posts and post "This challenge sucks." on anything they want deleted and "Post this." on anything they like? I have 20 open posts.
Even just the ones that sound interesting... Someone poked fun for owning too many and I wanna fix it haha
@MagicOctopusUrn I like this one, but if you allow unnecessary whitespace
22:10
@Mr.Xcoder Yeah, I did too, but I didn't wanna own it. I failed my last cops-and-robbers thread by not paying enough attention.
I'll post it if you want, or xcoder can
That's basically the point of me asking for help lol.
If you want to steal one, just to get rid of it, yes. Do it.
Why though?
Why don’t you post them instead?
I don't think any of them are bad by any means, but also I'm not 100% confident any of them were good enough to post due to low feedback.
+5 isn’t quite low
22:13
I usually wait for 5 upvotes or more than 5 comments.
Yeah, that one's the exception. I posted 2 cops-and-robbers on SB at the same time and posted the other one, never declaring a winner.
Anyway, gtg to bed now. Sya o/
@Mr.Xcoder Plus it was +4 before I posted the link ;)
@Mr.Xcoder cya
@MagicOctopusUrn I'll take this one later, it looks good to me
(again, feel free to post it yourself)
@Riker I just posted that 30 minutes ago XDDD, was like the only one I wasn't asking about hahaha
wait really? LOL
22:17
@Riker But thanks for the glowing review ahahha
@MDXF you want to post that one?
@MagicOctopusUrn you don't want to? :o
@MDXF nah, I screwed up my last cops and robbers challenge, steal it my man.
@MagicOctopusUrn I gotchuu
@MDXF thx fam
You want to post one of the threads? I'm good either way
22:20
Nahhh just go ahead and take it
I'll just compete ;)
Maybe post the link to my un-claimed SB posts for review.
Sounds good, I'll comment in the post that it was yours
(guessing you don't mind if I edit it before posting?)
@MDXF Dude the community is a whole. Do whatever you think is best for the community.
@MDXF (this is also the reason I don't think I should own it lol)
CMP: what are you lot listening to right now? Music? Podcasts?
Haha okay just making some posts more objective
@Pavel MY CHERONA - the bar I'm at.
22:23
@Pavel (*fin) - anberlin
@Riker :O Anberlin... <3<3<3
indeed
@Pavel my cousins shrieking
wait no it just shifted, dismantle.repair now
@Riker :D
22:24
@MDXF tell them a creepy catman on the internet says "shaddup"
@Riker I went to a Skillet concert earlier this year. My god their drummer is cute, and extremely funny.
I love that song so much
Dismantle repair too
ty
@Pavel Random music (Spotify radio) but currently Lewis Del Mar
22:24
@Pavel Pegboard Nerds: Fire in the Hole
I like their Unwinding Cable Car song. That's about when I stopped listening.
@Riker @MagicOctopusUrn I got to see them on their final tour :)
Not really by choice, honestly, just by availability.
@MagicOctopusUrn lol
@DJMcMayhem niceeeee
@DJMcMayhem Anberlin? They stopped touring?
22:25
Of course they closed with (*fin)
@MagicOctopusUrn disbanded in '14
@DJMcMayhem what else
@Riker I didn't mean stopped listening as in "wow, that song was awful, FIN." I meant wow, that song was amazing, all my friends like rap so screw my tastes, right?
@MagicOctopusUrn lol
Did they close with? I don't remember it was ages ago.
I'm pretty sure they did Feel Good Drag "Last" and then did fin for an encore
@DJMcMayhem well both of those fit actually
>.>
22:27
@DJMcMayhem Ohhhh crap, feel good drag is them too? I have this radio station in my area called "RadioU"
@MagicOctopusUrn yep definitely them
My band covered that one ages ago. The guitar solo is ridiculously fun to play
(although I never got that pinch harmonic down)
I used to listen to RadioU whenever I'd drive in my old 2001 car. Got a new car and listen to them much less :(. Seriously loved ALL music from them. If you really like Anberlin, give: This radio station a try.
They're even hilariously awesome on the morning show, talking about video games, new flavours of random foods, etc... I love it.
I mean... they're christian, and I'm not, but I still love and respect how they use their medium for their message. It's mutual respect and awesome :O.
@MagicOctopusUrn skillet is too, they're almost as good
nvm, just noticed you've heard skillet too
P.O.D. is decent too, haven't heard them in a while, and breaking benjamin is also pretty good
@Riker anyone who isn't funded by a mainstream label is on RadioU (PoD, Skillet, Anberlin, etc...)
22:36
@MagicOctopusUrn oh, really? that's pretty cool
@Riker They recently starting picking up low-tier rap labels and that blew a couple rappers careers up.
I might switch off youtube autoplay to that :p
@Riker I'm serious, if that's your genre, a LOT of those bands actually GOT STARTED on that radio station.
(I get some esoteric ones, see: scoutelite)
The radio station will play any music, and plays no commericals because every fall they crowd-source money from people with call-in fund raisers.
So theres no corporate music agenda to push songs, they literally are what you want all day.
22:42
@MagicOctopusUrn whew, twenty minutes later... what do you think of my edits?
I changed the scoring method so that it wasn't
Edit: removed the stupid "closed to further submissions" thingy
22:56
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Q: the trust is end on quality standard

RosLuPi would know why my last question in 'codegolf' is not reachable of someone with no name in this Group. Please someone not change bug tag thanks

@Dear amministrator of this site, dear MR Xcoder: see of go in that city, a quel paese — RosLuP 45 mins ago
is that what he's referring to?
Q: Are there any mathematical functions where f(f(x)) = x and f(x) != x? The only one I can think of is f(x) = -1*x
that's easier written f(x) = -x but yeah
@ConorO'Brien I want this to be a challenge on main, do you want to post it?
@cairdcoinheringaahing f(x) = 1/x
also if you take a complex number, f(x) = (x*)*
(conjugation)
likewise with set complements
In mathematics, an involution, or an involutory function, is a function f that is its own inverse, f(f(x)) = x for all x in the domain of f. The term anti-involution refers to involutions based on antihomomorphisms (see below the section on Quaternion algebra, groups, semigroups) f(xy) = f(y) f(x) such that xy = f(f(xy)) = f( f(y) f(x) ) = f(f(x)) f(f(y)) = xy. == General properties == Any involution is a bijection. The identity map is a trivial example of an involution. Common examples in mathematics of nontrivial involutions include multiplication by −1 in arithmetic, the taking of reciprocals...
23:12
@MDXF I personally like posting interesting challenges. Be my guest if you so wish to take it.
@ConorO'Brien You don't think it was interesting?
yeah, it's really quite uninteresting.
the answers were generally what I expected them to be and not much innovation arose
@MDXF also, as a viewer: no. don't make that a main challenge.
because really ^^
it's boring
Well, either way, I've expanded on my C answer alot. Try it online!
CMC: make a function that returns the inverse of itself
hehehe
23:20
@totallyhuman C: f(){return -f;}
Can be golfed to f(x){x=-f;} in GCC
/s
ಠ_ಠ
@totallyhuman fun fact, that's now comment syntax in Cubically
@totallyhuman can it return the output of the inverse function instead?
@totallyhuman "inverse" meaning...?
@LuisMendo inverse function
f^-1(x)
23:23
But it is not a function it has no input
In mathematics, an involution, or an involutory function, is a function f that is its own inverse, f(f(x)) = x for all x in the domain of f. The term anti-involution refers to involutions based on antihomomorphisms (see below the section on Quaternion algebra, groups, semigroups) f(xy) = f(y) f(x) such that xy = f(f(xy)) = f( f(y) f(x) ) = f(f(x)) f(f(y)) = xy. == General properties == Any involution is a bijection. The identity map is a trivial example of an involution. Common examples in mathematics of nontrivial involutions include multiplication by −1 in arithmetic, the taking of reciprocals...
oh true
@totallyhuman eh, that's actually possible in Dyalog
@EriktheOutgolfer link?
∇R←F
R←F⍣¯1∇
(note: of course it will most probably error, but then again how would you define the inverse of itself)
23:32
python, 25 bytes: f=lambda x:lambda x:f(x)
it returns the value of itself applied to the input
which is defined as the value of itself applied to the input
julia, 12 bytes: f=n->n->f(n)
@cairdcoinheringaahing doesn't work for x=0 :D
@Riker ^
yes it does
it's f(x) = f(x)
x=0, -1*0=f(x)=0, -1*-1*0=f(f(x))=0, f(x)=x
you are not wrong
but mine doens't use -1
oh I misunderstood your reply
yeah mine doesn't work for 0
my code does though
@Riker do you need the parentheses
23:44
nope
Evil mod edits message
oh whoops

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