The Nineteenth Byte

Magic Octopus Urn

19:02

Did TIO just die?

DJMcMayhem

Not on my end

Erik the Outgolfer

no

Magic Octopus Urn

I'm just getting "Probing cache output..."

Erik the Outgolfer

uh, I think it's actually down

(@DJMcMayhem try ctrl-f5)

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Removing a Letter adds a Letter Your program should output nothing when unaltered, however, when any single character is removed it should have an output length of 1. This extends to any number of characters being removed from the program, as long as there is, at minimum, a single character rema...

Magic Octopus Urn

19:04

Something fricky is up and I can't figure out what.

DJMcMayhem

Still find as far as I can tell

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer Why would I want to post an answer for a single whitespace >_>

Magic Octopus Urn

It's better for me now, idk what that 5 minutes was.

Dennis

Neither do I. I could barely SSH into the server, but the problem seems to have solved itself.

Mr. Xcoder

It might have been due to me trying to write C# ;P

Erik the Outgolfer

19:09

yeah good luck trying to annihilate the strong sandbox

Dennis

User code doesn't run on the web server, so that shouldn't be possible.

Mr. Xcoder

@Dennis I was joking lol

Erik the Outgolfer

well, if somebody white-hat hacked TIO, they should email privately of course, not post it in a public chat room ;)

Magic Octopus Urn

I called the server host and asked, they said it was a cup of coffee spilling on a few wires (not really).

Anonymous

Friendly reminder that I am running an unofficial ballot for Best Of PPCG 2017, to see if the running vote tallies not being public knowledge has an effect on the votes: goo.gl/forms/48iIBpeDpOrEGsXN2

Erik the Outgolfer

19:16

so that we could implement this next year if it does have an effect?

Anonymous

Well, it's kinda flawed this year, because I meant to do it before voting actually started, so I don't know how informative the results will be

Anonymous

I'm also not sure if any differences would be desirable

Magic Octopus Urn

@Mego is the UserID field even validated on whether or not the user is actually a PPCG user?

Heeby Jeeby Man

@Mego I think I entered my user id wrong

Anonymous

@MagicOctopusUrn Not automatically. It's a weakness of Google Forms

Magic Octopus Urn

19:18

@Mego oof, that'll have an effect for sure lol.

Anonymous

I wanted to create a custom site with validation and stuff, but I didn't have the time

Magic Octopus Urn

My userID is -120349150.

Anonymous

@HeebyJeebyMan You did not

Heeby Jeeby Man

Oh good

Anonymous

12 hours ago, by Mego

(yes, it's a necessary evil that I have to be able to see what each user votes for; no, I do not care what you vote for, and I will not share that information)

Erik the Outgolfer

19:20

well, if there's a difference, it's most likely because of influence from total vote tallies, so they shouldn't be visible...and generally I'd prefer it if we voted on an independent voting page instead of being able to view the total tallies, it's not like we haven't ever used Google Sheets and Google Forms before

Heeby Jeeby Man

I thought I had entered 56566

Mr. Xcoder

4 hours ago, by Mr. Xcoder

CMQ: Only the top-voted post from each category is awarded a bounty?

Anonymous

@Mr.Xcoder Correct

Mr. Xcoder

Ok, thanks. Wanted a confirmation of what Adm said

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego uh, why does it say "no vote" instead of making the questions optional?

Heeby Jeeby Man

19:24

How many bounties do we have?

Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer Because it was too 3 AM when I made the form

Anonymous

@HeebyJeebyMan 9, I think

Anonymous

Alright which of you jokers put -1

Heeby Jeeby Man

I'm counting 20

Erik the Outgolfer

Community strikes again!

Heeby Jeeby Man

19:27

What is going to happen to the left over bounties?

Anonymous

I don't know why I try to do things like this when people are so determined to ruin it

Erik the Outgolfer

uh, be left over I guess?

you can always put them to good use via infinite bounties :P

totallyhuman

19:39

...very bad conversation in chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/72186/…

moonheart08

bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142709 I've been browsing bay12, and found this rather intresting esolang

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Q: Perfect Squares Without Borders

Given n=m^2, return a list of integers that do not border the m x m grid of integers from 1 to n. Examples n=1 (m=1) Grid: [1] Return: [] n=4 (m=2) Grid: [1,2] [3,4] Return: [] n=9 (m=3) Grid: [1,2,3] [4,5,6] [7,8,9] Return: [5] n=16 (m=4) Grid: [ 1, 2, 3, 4] [ 5, 6, 7, 8...

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Q: Program Sequence Generator

Your challenge is to implement a cyclic Program Sequence Generator (PSG) in a language of your choice. Given a language, L, a PSG in L is a program in L that outputs a PSG in L. Some properties of a PSG are: Repeated execution of a PSG in L generates a sequence of programs in L. A PSG is said ...

code-golf quine code-generation

Riker

^ gives me an idea, somebody should write a esolang that simulates df

moonheart08

That would be a intresting disaster

Riker

well

is that really far from df itself?

moonheart08

19:42

Besides, DF is an esolang in itself. See the fact it's turing complete

Riker

yeah

but an esolang ala that mario one would be cool

moonheart08

True

But it'd probably be a subset

Maybe the fluid physics, minecarts, and mechanisms?

That is (or should) be a turing complete subset.

totallyhuman

is tio down again ;-;

Riker

I was actually imagining dwarfs set to an "autolabor thing"

@totallyhuman yes

like, your code is the initial state of a df fort

moonheart08

I mean, you could make an esolang out of actual DF using DFHack to implement it

Riker

19:45

DFHack?

is that the modding engine thing? I don't do mods much

moonheart08

Memory editing and modding utility for DF

Modifies the game on the lowest level possible

Riker

ah

moonheart08

I've pondered if the new job manager for DF (He redid it to be smarter and more useful) is turing complete.

Riker

^ that was I was thinking

moonheart08

Well, i think if you can precisely control the stocks of items, it is.

Riker

19:49

the initial state would have dwarves set to specific tasks or smth, and as they do those they loop

conditionals would be based on pathfinding

(i.e. depending on the input / stockpiles, the dorf takes a diff route)

Heeby Jeeby Man

I accidentally posted a question before I finished writing it is there any way to finish writing it without deleting it

moonheart08

mm

No idea, @HeebyJeebyMan
I don't think so.

Riker

@HeebyJeebyMan yes just post a disclaimer "OOPS DIDN"T FINISH DON"T VOTE YET PLEASE" at the top and keep editing

Heeby Jeeby Man

Not being able to edit deleted questions seems like a pretty awful feature

Riker

depends on how long tho

@HeebyJeebyMan you can I think

is it gonna take you more than a minute or so? like 5-10?

Heeby Jeeby Man

19:51

When I click edit it tells me to undelete

It would probably take like 5 minutes, I had just started

moonheart08

Another thing i've been thinking about is the design for a golfing language made to be good at implementing other esolangs

Riker

then I guess edit it externally or smth

@moonheart08 ELVM but with less RAM :p

also, hey, welcome to this chatroom :D (I see you're somewhat new to pcpg)

Heeby Jeeby Man

Yeah, I would at least like to get the text I had so far, but I can't acess the markdown cause it's deleted

moonheart08

ELVM might be a intresting thing to try and make better

either that or a language that can modify it's own instructions

I think we know which one is more intresting.

Erik the Outgolfer

@HeebyJeebyMan where did you post it exactly?

oh you deleted it

Riker

19:54

@HeebyJeebyMan get the rev history and raw source?

Heeby Jeeby Man

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/154690/fill-in-the-bracks

Riker

for the first rev

Heeby Jeeby Man

Can I get to the rev history? There were no edits

Riker

codegolf.stackexchange.com/revisions/…

there you go

MD XF

@moonheart08 designing/developing languages? This is a better place for that (TNB is perfectly fine but that chatroom is specifically made for language development)

moonheart08

19:55

mk

Erik the Outgolfer

codegolf.stackexchange.com/posts/154690/revisions

Heeby Jeeby Man

@Riker Oh nive! I have to keep track of that trick

Riker

yep

moonheart08

I find a lot of fun in designing intresting languages

Riker

you can't normaly but I copied your Q's ID number into another question's rev history link

@moonheart08 yep, even if implementing them is a pain :D

moonheart08

19:56

Interesting and Useful? That's a bonus.

Riker

also, lol, @HeebyJeebyMan I can edit yoru post just fine :D

moonheart08

But we all do know the best language ever, even then. IRP

Erik the Outgolfer

@HeebyJeebyMan Hm, maybe if you copy-paste the source on another text box for SE posts and edit it, seeing the formatting, and then post the wanted edited source, I or somebody else might be able to apply the edit, but I guess that's kinda abuse no? (cc @Riker ^^)

Riker

or he can just undelete an edit

@moonheart08 absolutely

Erik the Outgolfer

he risks downvotes flags and closure that way

Riker

19:59

well he edits the source somewhere else, then undelets and edits

Heeby Jeeby Man

I already have a new tab open where I'm editing it. I'll undelete and nija edit the post when I'm ready

Riker

but yeah I see what you mean (I misrread before)

Heeby Jeeby Man

@Riker Yeah only the OP can't edit the post when it's deleted. Which is really frustrating.

Riker

^

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah but I highly suspect as I said before that that's abuse, since there must be an unbeknownst to me reason for you not to be able to edit the post while it's deleted

even if you "ninja-edit" after undeleting

Heeby Jeeby Man

20:01

I don't think there is any abuse

Erik the Outgolfer

(although I don't think you would be blamed of anything, since you're not doing anything bad towards the overall quality of the site here)

moonheart08

i don't know why i even considered that. I pondered submitting codegolf solutions in DreamMaker language (for a old game engine called BYOND)
I hate dreammaker. It's not hard, it's just bad.

Riker

byond.com

this?

moonheart08

That

It's a horrible engine. I promise you.

Not even JIT, fully interpreted

(DM is, not BYOND itself)

Riker

lol

I'll look at the game in general later

moonheart08

20:05

If you really want an example for why it's bad, go see the largest dreammaker codebases: github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12 github.com/tgstation/tgstation

Riker

is it just me or is that wayyy too much code for something that looks simple

or is it more complicated than it looks

moonheart08

It's more complicated than it looks

Space Station 13 (the game those are codebases for) is huge

and slow (because it's written in DreamMaker)

Riker

@moonheart08 starred so I can remember that

looks interesting

moonheart08

Notable things include: Functional simulation of the station atmosphere, complex health simulation (similar to DF's), and dynamic map loading (By reimplementing the entire Dreammaker map format in Dreammaker)

betseg

(how) can i create a SE chat feed for new answers that contain a certain string

MD XF

20:09

@betseg in your own chatroom?

betseg

yes

Riker

don't think you can

you'll need to make an rss feed at the least, good luckk

MD XF

betseg

yes but how can i filter answers

Riker

you need an rss feed to do that, you'll have to make your own

MD XF

20:11

Darn it doesn't look like you can

moonheart08

I wonder if the SSE instructions on x86 processors (SSE, SSE2, SSE3, and SSE4) are turing complete

as in, turing on their own

totallyhuman

anybody else seeing this?

betseg

no

Anonymous

SE UI being busted is the norm

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DJMcMayhem

@totallyhuman I've been getting it all day

It drives me crazy

totallyhuman

20:14

Ikr :/

MD XF

@totallyhuman status-norepro

Riker

is there any easy way to get the number of partitions of an integer, where no number in the partitions is greater than <an integer>

i.e. 8 would give [2, 2, 3], [1, 1, 2, 3], etc. but not [7,1]

flawr

@Riker recursion ftw

(I think)

Riker

hm maybe

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Q: Fill in the Bracks

Normal brackets ((),[],<> and {}) are nice and unambiguous, however someone thought it would be a good idea to use non bracket characters as brackets. These characters, | and ", are ambiguous. For example does """" correspond to (()) or ()() It is impossible to tell. Task Your task i...

code-golf balanced-string

DJMcMayhem

20:25

@Riker ŒṗṀ<¥Ðf

flawr

@Riker Try it online!

wait, something doesn't work as it should

MD XF

CMP: Character to start one-line comment in Cubically?

flawr

C

DJMcMayhem

@MDXF A Rubik's Cube Emoji

MD XF

@DJMcMayhem There isn't one

DJMcMayhem

20:30

Dang

flawr

@Riker Try it online!

MD XF

Closest thing to a Rubik's Cube character in Unicode is ▦ and it's used

DJMcMayhem

How about Kaaba

Dennis

@MDXF pile of poo

MD XF

@Dennis ಠ_ಠ why all the emoji suggestions and why that one in particular

Riker

20:31

@flawr that works beautifully

@DJMcMayhem that works mysteriously

MD XF

Have my consistent repeated pull requests and bug fixes caused you to hate my language? :(

Riker

@DJMcMayhem tbh I'm not really sure why that's an emoji but ok

I feel like I can't think of a single situation where you'd require that instead of an image

Dennis

@MDXF Because comments are waste.

DJMcMayhem

I think that could be said about 90% of existing Emoji's

Riker

that is true

the 'reaction' faces I get if I do think they're dumb

DJMcMayhem

20:32

inb4 xkcd.com/1813

MD XF

@Dennis But Cubically is so hard to understand

I wanted to write some production code in it :D

Riker

@DJMcMayhem techniically only the first word of that message was before

DJMcMayhem

Still counts

Riker

lol

flawr

@Riker probably more efficient with memoization=)

AdmBorkBork

20:34

@MDXF Horizontal tab

MD XF

@AdmBorkBork Too invisible

AdmBorkBork

thats_the_joke.jpg

Dennis

@MDXF Relax, pulling Cubically every once in a while has been way less of a hassle than some of the production languages.

MD XF

oh_my_bad.tiff

totallyhuman

@MDXF and that's where you went way off

MD XF

20:35

@Dennis I know, it was a joke :P I still feel bad because I often push without actually seeing if my code works

AdmBorkBork

Oh, how about nbsp?

MD XF

Aha

ಠ

AdmBorkBork

that would be hilarious

MD XF

I'm doing it, but not a single-line comment, it will be a multiline comment

Dennis

Best comment character: edirrevo LTR

mudkip201

20:36

@AdmBorkBork nah, zero-width space

or maybe right-to-left mark

MD XF

RL2U'B2F         ಠwtf does this do againಠ

AdmBorkBork

@Dennis sounds Spanish

MD XF

@AdmBorkBork It's the Right-To-Left override

And that is the most painful character in Unicode

But Cubically is a pain, so maybe that should be the comment character...

Dennis

Just make sure that setting back to LTR end the comment.

DJMcMayhem

@Christopher I just had an idea for something pain-flak-esque. Brain-flak, but there is no {...} monad. Instead, the code runs forwards and backwards until the TOS 0

>:D

mudkip201

20:39

Dennis: what does the RTL embedding character do?

DJMcMayhem

Or actually, maybe instead to make it more usable have whatever is in {...} run forwards and backwards until the TOS 0

Pavel

@AdmBorkBork I was trying to figure out why you were saying "Dennis sounds Spanish" until I realized it was a reply

AdmBorkBork

Ahaha

DJMcMayhem

And to make it even better, if it happens to go backwards on the last time through, then the rest of the code after it will be backwards

Like this:

|Push 2        | --> Decrement |
|Push 2 again  | Decrement <-- |
   (()())         {({}[()])}

(cc. @HeebyJeebyMan )

Heeby Jeeby Man

I like this idea

Pavel

20:44

Are you two making BrainFlak two over there

DJMcMayhem

This is a wonderfully sadistic and horrible idea, and I love it

Dennis

You know you're on PPCG when Brain-Flak suddenly becomes too easy to program in...

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Heeby Jeeby Man

You can make some loops with ({}[()](<...>){})

moonheart08

lol

DJMcMayhem

@HeebyJeebyMan Should anything else change?

Heeby Jeeby Man

20:45

I'm thinking this won't be TC

Erik the Outgolfer

there are really many sadistic esolangs made by PPCG users out there...

Heeby Jeeby Man

@DJMcMayhem I'd like to give it a try first then see if anything needs to be changed

DJMcMayhem

If you wrote a primality checker in whatever the hell this ends up being called, I'll give you (or anyone else) a massive bounty

AdmBorkBork

Brain-Flak++? Brainier-Flak? kalF-niarB?

Dennis

Strain-Flak

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AdmBorkBork

20:47

Brain-Flak, but difficult

DJMcMayhem

Drain-flak: Because it drains your will to ever program again.

flawr

just so you know: flak (short for Flugabwehrkanone) is a german abbreviation for anti aircraft gun

moonheart08

@EriktheOutgolfer Do esolangs that can't actually be implemented without solving the halting problem count as sadistic?

AdmBorkBork

So flak gun is like saying ATM machine or PIN number?

Heeby Jeeby Man

It also means anti-aircraft in English perhaps a loan word

DJMcMayhem

20:49

@flawr Reminds me of The Flammen Werfer (Spoiler alert: It Werfs Flammens)

Erik the Outgolfer

@moonheart08 uh, not in the same sense

flawr

@DJMcMayhem lol, reminds me of the "flamethrower" of the boring company

moonheart08

I honestly regret making HBL anyways. The examples and theoretical boolfuck conversion were awful to make

Heeby Jeeby Man

> Non-English terms for air defence include the German FlaK (FliegerabwehrKanone, "aircraft defence cannon",[5] also cited as Flugabwehrkanone), whence English flak,

Magic Octopus Urn

I have like 15 open sandboxes... Anyone want any of them posted lol? If not I may start cleaning house.

AdmBorkBork

20:52

Brain-Fork: Because stabbing your brain with a fork is less painful.

moonheart08

Make a JIT interpreter by hand. Surely that's a smart thing to do for a language like Brain-Flak

DJMcMayhem

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in The Third Stack, 57 secs ago, by Heeby Jeeby Man

Sure go ahead. I don't like programming that much.

@HeebyJeebyMan Says the user with 31K rep on a recreational coding site...

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem Mostly in brainflak though

Heeby Jeeby Man

I like puzzles, some puzzles involve code.

AdmBorkBork

If you think code golf is "programming" I have some bad news for you ...

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