The Nineteenth Byte

AdmBorkBork

15:04

FWIW, I voted to reopen

Erik the Outgolfer

I, uh, don't really have an opinion regarding whether that should be closed, so I left it alone

betseg

.comment-score { display: none; } in best of 2017 so i can vote without being a copycat

Mr. Xcoder

CMQ: Only the top-voted post from each category is awarded a bounty?

AdmBorkBork

As far as I understand, yes. Though, I think we have more bounty-ers than we do awards.

@NewMetaPosts Really tempted to answer this with just "PowerShell is great and does all things" ;-)

Pavel

15:21

Skype is now a snap app for Linux

I think they might be a little too late there

J. Sallé

Skype still exists?

Pavel

@J.Sallé ikr I was surprised too

J. Sallé

I thought MS gave up on it after four years of useless updates that only made the app worse

Pavel

But no, is not even maintenance patches, they're still going full on feature updates

DJMcMayhem

@J.Sallé Why would you use skype when you could just use discord instead?

J. Sallé

15:25

@DJMcMayhem My point exactly.

DJMcMayhem

Discord is amazing. I use it all the time

betseg

@betseg i mostly voted for the candidate with the highest votes woah

J. Sallé

I stopped using Skype when Razer debuted their own voip app (which was worse than skype in most aspects, btw)

Then I started using Ventrillo of all things before discord was created

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem Maybe because you need to use it in a professional setting. Inviting someone important from management to your discord server... Eh.

DJMcMayhem

Ehh. Fair

Pavel

15:28

I think Skype for Business is actually doing relatively well.

Which is causing the extra support and features to trickle down into normal Skype

AdmBorkBork

Skype for Business is going away, to be replaced with Microsoft Teams

Christopher

@HeebyJeebyMan so did nick :P, we had a great time however and promoted nick's challenge on the fly hah

user202729

@DJMcMayhem [about the sandbox challenge]

Because it can be easier to assume the input is smaller than some amount.

Pavel

@AdmBorkBork Oh right, SfB is Microsoft Lync, totally different code base. Forgot about that.

DJMcMayhem

@user202729 But it should theoretically work for any integer.

Do you have an example?

user202729

15:33

Let's see... 0x15x123¹¹¹¹¹¹¹ for Jelly.

Its output is 15*123 zeroes. Because the source code is 15 bytes long it's a 123X quine.

AdmBorkBork

@cairdcoinheringaahing Don't you mean coinheringaahing it?

user202729

but the approach only works for up to 0x15x9999999999 (exceed 32 bit int)

DJMcMayhem

@user202729 OK, well that's something that I would consider not a problem (I don't mind if it doesn't work for some inputs simply because of implementation details)

That algorithm works for any size input, and it isn't abusing integer sizes

In fact, I think that approach is standard

user202729

It is. The algorithm is "prepend 0x15x, and pad to 15 characters".

It only works for numbers less than 10^10.

DJMcMayhem

That's totally fine

Christopher

15:36

Hey DJ i realized that pain-flak has to be TC b/c mini-flak is TC and you can use dennis' swap stack until TOS =0 trick

user202729

Then you should specify something in the challenge.

DJMcMayhem

I'll add a blurb about that point

Christopher

@Dennis your hello world proved that Pain-Flak is TC

thanks!

SnivyDroid

15:47

Im too lazy to write an interpreter for my lang

Also school

user202729

If a language doesn't have an interpreter, then there is no language. - PPCG rule.

SnivyDroid

Yeah I want to write one during the weekend

School has been really tough on me

user202729

@DJMcMayhem waiting for edits

caird coinheringaahing

@AdmBorkBork I'm torn between ಠ_ಠ and laughing :P

Mr. Xcoder

I already capped and was in the process of posting a challenge ;-;

DJMcMayhem

15:52

@user202729 I'm busy rn, so you might be waiting for a while

user202729

@Mr.Xcoder Wait until tomorrow...

(UTC?)

Mr. Xcoder

Yeah UTC tomorrow is really tomorrow here :p

And yes days are counted in UTC

AdmBorkBork

What is this "capping" of which you speak? ;-)

user202729

CMP: Do you often delete your post when it's quite golfy already and you only realize it may be better after having posted?

@AdmBorkBork (rep cap, probably)

DJMcMayhem

@user202729 No

In that case, I'd just edit it

user202729

15:57

Also assume that you will be busy and can only edit after a while?

AdmBorkBork

@user202729 (I know that, I was just joking around because I've only rep-capped once)

user202729

Me too...

Mr. Xcoder

Oh

@AdmBorkBork I guess it’s the Powershell effect :P

AdmBorkBork

And my one rep-cap was off of a dumb answer.

user202729

Me too...

IIRC my only V answer.

Mr. Xcoder

15:59

Didn’t you also cap after the Jelly answer to “Is the triangle right-angled?” or something?

user202729

No. (just check my Epic badge)

DJMcMayhem

@user202729 Oh really? Link?

user202729

The one with @DJMcMayhem's comment "Well, right language for the job!"

Mr. Xcoder

Wrong ping...

@user202729 Not on mobile! :p

DJMcMayhem

I still can't find it...

flawr

16:00

better version of mazerunner

user202729

"Output language name times the number of characters" challenge.

Mr. Xcoder

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A: Output the language name times the number of characters

V, 2 bytes iV Try it online! Citing Arnauld, with Levenshtein distance of 1: I now have 15 seconds of experience in V programming. So, this may actually be golfable.

user202729

TBF I also post the 7 answer.

Mr. Xcoder

@flawr :O (and BTW I just watched the third part of that series)

user202729

and the /// answer.

(I just linked this as a example of a-lot-of-answers-and-dislikes challenge)

2 hours ago, by user202729

The community is contradictory. Some DV/CV the challenge, some others answer, (probably) some both.

(but then deleted, because I have an answer there)

flawr

16:04

@Mr.Xcoder was it any better than the 2nd part?

totallyhuman

i.sstatic.net/ZVqep.png evil onebox

how's that?

flawr

I'd remove the commas and the colon, maybe that's -> that is

J. Sallé

@totallyhuman I'd swap the ,s for ;s

ETHproductions

I'd personally do something like

Christopher

works fine

ETHproductions

16:07

Looking for a programming language that's
- unique?
- difficult?
- just plain weird?

Pavel

- probably won't burn your house down?

betseg

- lemon?

Christopher

- will make you want to die?

Mr. Xcoder

@flawr Personally, I found it a bit better than The Scorch Trials, but still not too impressive

totallyhuman

...

flawr

16:08

I'd make the colours of the lemons more different

Christopher

- will make you regret coming to this website

J. Sallé

@ETHproductions that'd be fine too

totallyhuman

lemme weed out the bad suggestions

Christopher

ALl of mine are gold

user202729

@Mr.Xcoder - mr.xcoder broke the chain

@Christopher - did you mean "good"?

J. Sallé

16:09

I think he meant gold

Christopher

@user202729 no... gold. Gold>good

totallyhuman

i.sstatic.net/l3ryj.png no onebox pls ;-;

betseg

esolangs.org doesnt have emojicode - emojicode has <1000 stars on github

conclusion: emojicode isnt an esolang

J. Sallé

@betseg flawless logic. +1

ETHproductions

@totallyhuman looks good, might want to move "programming" up to the first line though

betseg

16:11

@J.Sallé my conclusions are generally pretty good

ETHproductions

which font are you using? I recognize it but for the life of me can't find it

totallyhuman

i.sstatic.net/KCw1v.png open sans

AdmBorkBork

@totallyhuman I'd move programming up a line, and change that's to that is.

betseg

@totallyhuman try Ubuntu

Pavel

CMC: Figure out how to compile the output of this code and call it from C

totallyhuman

16:12

uhhh

Pavel

Actually, I can compile it into a DLL with Mathematica.

totallyhuman

oops

Pavel

Just figure out how to use it from C

user202729

@Pavel Have the necessary W|A headers.

ETHproductions

@totallyhuman I promise this is my last suggestion: increase the line spacing a bit so there's less blank space

Pavel

16:13

@user202729 The weird thing is, it doesn't produce the fun.h file. I've checked my entire disk. Mathematica compiles it successfully anyway.

user202729

...? How? Let me check.

It's func.h, not fun.h.

totallyhuman

boom

user202729

If it solves your problem, StackOverflow VTC as typo.

Pavel

@user202729 I tested it locally with it named fun.

user202729

Try removing it? Then?

Pavel

16:15

I'm pretty sure the Mathematica C compiler just generates the header as part of the compilation process so you can't build it without Mathematica.

J. Sallé

@totallyhuman looks good

Pavel

@user202729 The building isn't the issue. I can build it into a dll. I'm trying to figure out how to get a result from it in languages that can import dlls but aren't Mathematica.

ETHproductions

@totallyhuman I like :-)

betseg

@totallyhuman small texts looks worse but the big header looks better? ubuntu for header open sans for small texts :D

Pavel

@betseg Ubunutu font best font, use it for everything

user202729

16:16

So... the "and call it from C" is the main part?

totallyhuman

chat.SE pls ;-;

user202729

Try reading Mathematica C API.

totallyhuman

4

A: Community Promotion Ads - 2018

empty answer yay :P

Pavel

@user202729 I'm pretty sure it's intentionally designed to keep people from doing exactly what I"m trying to do. I was just kinda hoping someone had figured it out.

flawr

@totallyhuman is it esolang or esolangs?

totallyhuman

16:18

i dunno to be honest

betseg

esolangs.org

totallyhuman

yeah i see but it's kinda dumb :P

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Q: 5 Day Weather Forecast

Weather forecasting: Wrong too often to rely on, right too often to ignore. Given a high and low temperature and one of four weather conditions per day, output an ASCII-art graphical five day weather forecast. The structure of the four graphical indicators are shown below. \ / -O- S...

flawr

@betseg their title is esolang

betseg

til

flawr

16:20

@totallyhuman why don't you use esolangs.org as title of the image?

betseg

after using it for years

flawr

and I'd still make the third slice darker

user202729

@NewMainPosts Again i didn't read this.

totallyhuman

i.sstatic.net/b4D6L.png stahp the onebox ;-;

Mr. Xcoder

Better

J. Sallé

16:23

@NewMainPosts Really tempted to downvote because of ºF.

betseg

the one on the behind and the one in between are too big

or the one on the front is too small i dunno

totallyhuman

@betseg they're all the same size

AdmBorkBork

@J.Sallé Just because ºF is the superior system is no reason to downvote. :p

betseg

@totallyhuman yeah but according to my brain that works in 3d and thinks in perpectives, thats not the case

totallyhuman

it's not :P

@betseg lemme try something

i.sstatic.net/26tDd.png no

betseg

16:29

are they still the same size

J. Sallé

@AdmBorkBork s/superior/nonsensical

totallyhuman

no

:P

lemme make it less subtle

flawr

@AdmBorkBork °K all the way!

Erik the Outgolfer

@flawr oh god no

betseg

@totallyhuman ones on the behind look bigger and my ruler says theyre the same size

@flawr no ° in front of Kelvin

totallyhuman

16:30

i.sstatic.net/di8VN.png why ;-;

flawr

@totallyhuman front slice darker please!

@betseg is it K° then?

betseg

@totallyhuman ty

@flawr :(

flawr

@betseg °C for Celvin

Erik the Outgolfer

what

betseg

@flawr Felsius*

°€

xkcd.com/1923 .

flawr

16:32

@betseg °$ in the US XD

betseg

€ looks like its between C and F

user202729

It's intended to be E.

(in Jelly, probably)

flawr

°£

totallyhuman

i.sstatic.net/gsFUx.png ugh why u onebox

flawr

@totallyhuman maybe you'll get used to it in a few years XD

@totallyhuman better contrast, but I think you could make all three darker

J. Sallé

16:36

What's the background on the lemon slices?

totallyhuman

betseg

@J.Sallé esolangs.org logo

AdmBorkBork

Definitely limes

Esolanging Fruit

I think those are limes

betseg

time travel

Esolanging Fruit

16:37

Why does esolangs.org use limes? I have no idea.

J. Sallé

@betseg I know, that's what I was asking. Why is it the logo?

betseg

because esolangs are sour? :P

J. Sallé

Limes and lemons are both called lemons in Brazil btw >.>

Pavel

Limes are esoteric. They're like lemons, but odder.

SnivyDroid

lol

J. Sallé

16:39

@Pavel fair enough

betseg

> lime (from Persian līmū, "lemon")

nice

flawr

@betseg cause when life gives you lemons, you make esolangs

J. Sallé

Yeah. Limes are technically called 'Tahiti lemons' but no one actually calls them that. What 'muricans call lemons we call 'Sicilian lemons'

betseg

limes are called "marble lemons" in turkish because theyre the size of a marble i guess?

J. Sallé

@betseg those are big freaking marbles you have in Turkey then hahahahah

Christopher

16:43

Yeah losing your marbles is a bigger deal

user202729

Does anyone comment "next i" or something at the end of for loops?

betseg

wat

user202729

Because seeing a lot of } at the end of loops can be confusing.

Esolanging Fruit

Well in Python they got rid of the } entirely and it seems to be treated like a good thing

user202729

Doesn't help. Then you may get confused with sudden unindentation.

Esolanging Fruit

16:46

Some languages use "endif/endfor" but that's not super common

AdmBorkBork

@user202729 When I've got nested loops, I do a // next i or something similar, yes.

J. Sallé

Me too

I usually document code with comments while I'm working on it so I can track stuff down by the comments

betseg

who needs comments? just code in such a way that nobody will need to look at your code /s

user202729

Including yourself?

What if it had bugs?

Well... to prevent bugs in the first place you need comments.

betseg

"such a way" includes "no bugs"

J. Sallé

16:55

@betseg not feasible when you're coding at 4 in the morning (or CUI)

betseg

dont code early in the morning, duh

caird coinheringaahing

@user202729 Write self-documenting code :P

J. Sallé

@betseg not feasible when you work mornings/afternoons and go to college at night :p

betseg

@cairdcoinheringaahing adding to this,

for(uint32_t u32indexingIntegerBetweenZeroAndNine = INTEGER_ZERO; u32indexingIntegerBetweenZeroAndNine < INTEGER_NINE; increment(u32indexingIntegerBetweenZeroAndNine, INTEGER_ONE))

J. Sallé

@betseg Pretty sure that's almost Verbosity

caird coinheringaahing

17:03

Nah, that's too short for Verbosity :P

Riker

17:18

can the same answer win 2 best of 2017 catagories?

specifcally applicable to the conway clock

Pavel

17:29

The PPCGv2 help wanted ad is at +10/-10

Someone really should make a better one

Animesh Ashish

My Benefactor is his fan, Who am I?

imgur.com/a/NwVrG

AdmBorkBork

@Riker Sure, why not?

Animesh Ashish

@AdmBorkBork Try answering me?

caird coinheringaahing

@Riker Yeah, just means it's an amazing answer (which it is)

Erik the Outgolfer

uh, I think Puzzling.SE would fit better, although not sure why was that flagged?

caird coinheringaahing

17:34

It's not really on-topic here

Animesh Ashish

Okay, My bad.

Manish Kundu

Oh well, i did this challenge codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/154676/… in python 3 and it came out to be total of 642 bytes

now it seems a lot to me, and i am kinda confused whether to post it

AdmBorkBork

That seems a little high, but I was expecting several-hundred-byte answers.

Arnauld's JavaScript answer is about what I was expecting.

Manish Kundu

The challenge is difficult to do in a shorter way

AdmBorkBork

Yes, I have a habit of coming up with ASCII art challenges that require hundreds of bytes to solve.

Manish Kundu

17:44

637 bytes, should i post?

thats done in some crazy way though :p

AdmBorkBork

Sure, go ahead and post it. You'll likely even get some golfing tips.

totallyhuman

how many votes does an ad need to be shown?

caird coinheringaahing

6

totallyhuman

tfw you're one vote behind

oh nvm

Pavel

Yep

totallyhuman

17:50

lol

Pavel

Seriously, would anyone like to make a better PPCGv2 ad

totallyhuman

i can try

got time on my hands

i can haz logo svg?

Pavel

@totallyhuman In the repo: github.com/PPCG-v2

totallyhuman

thenk

mınxomaτ

One of these comments is not like the other ... :/

totallyhuman

17:56

jeez

caird coinheringaahing

Some people on the internet really can be delightful when they want to be :/

Erik the Outgolfer

there are always gonna be haters

haters gotta hate

Pavel

Except SE. On SE that gives you a weeklong suspension at least.

totallyhuman

finally lol

Riker

@mınxomaτ rest of it looks pretty good though, take heart from that

totallyhuman

17:58

hard to navigate big unfamiliar projects :P

mınxomaτ

@Riker That's not my project.

Pavel

@totallyhuman Sorry, I can't get to GitHub right now.

totallyhuman

got it, don't worry

Riker

@mınxomaτ ah ok

Manish Kundu

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A: 5 Day Weather Forecast

Python 3, 636 bytes def w(s,l,h,a): p,q,r=[' \ /',' \ /',' (==)',' (==)'],[' -O-',' -O(==)',' (====)',' (====)'],[' / \ ',' (====)','',' /////'] n=d('-',51) print(n) x,f,g='',' ','|' for i in range(5):x+=g+d(f,9) w,x,y,z='','','','' for i in range(5): e=s[i] x+=g+p[e...

Pavel

18:00

@Riker IKVM is a Java-C# interop tool

Kinda

mınxomaτ

I use it to link Tika, Drill and OpenNLP to C# apps.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Pavel such comments should always be deleted, unless it's a site where insults are pretty much intended, some sites like SE and some forums just have some more measures against defamatory comments, which seems like a correct thing

mınxomaτ

Though the missing .NET core support is a shame. So far, no one bothered to pick up IKVM as a project.

DJMcMayhem

18:19

@user202729 Edited!

While we're on the subject, does anyone have thoughts on my sandboxed post?

I'm thinking about potentially changing the scoring method. Maybe counting the length of S also

Maybe something like (idk if this is good or not, just off the top of my head): mean(len(s) for s in range(10)) ** 2 + len(source_code)

Erik the Outgolfer

> Given a positive integer N, output an answer to the NX source-length problem [...]

DJMcMayhem

Or len(source) + mean(len(s) for s in range(5))

I really have no idea

Erik the Outgolfer

oh, HQ9+ to the rescue!

> [...] in the same language.

Riker

do you use the "∈" symbol to say "x is in set X"?

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer I don't think that would work

Erik the Outgolfer

18:24

oh, RIP HQ9+

DJMcMayhem

@Riker I think so (the round looking weird 'E')

Riker

yeah, ∈ I think

Erik the Outgolfer

x ∈ X

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer If it didn't need to be in the same language, would it just be print('Q'*n)?

Riker

7

Q: Latex "element of with two strokes" (⋹)

Is there a latex symbol akin to \in, but with two strokes? It has a Unicode equivalent, ⋹. I looked on detexify, but I couldn't find anything that matched. If it doesn't exist, how might I "rig" it? Edit The solutions posted do work, but I also now find the need to have a MathJax version of the...

symbols mathjax

Pavel

18:25

@DJMcMayhem What? What is len(s) when s is a number

Riker

hey I recognize this avatar lol

DJMcMayhem

Because each 'q' would print every 'q'

Riker

ppcg to the rescue

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem of course!

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel It was just dumb pseudocode (that happened to look too much like python)

I guess it would really be mean(len(solve_nx_problem(n)) for n in range(10))

Erik the Outgolfer

18:28

@DJMcMayhem also I don't think "X" represents the source code length, maybe it's just "times"

DJMcMayhem

Hmm, good point.

What's a better variable name?

Oh wait nevermind

Rather than changing the letters, just treat "X" as times

I see

caird coinheringaahing

Q: Should I add overloading to my new half-golfing language?

AdmBorkBork

@MagicOctopusUrn It's 0 here currently, so it doesn't fit where I live, either. But /shrug, it makes a better challenge.

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing +1

Riker

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes, and make it somewhat usable for non-golfing things

half-golfing = half finished or semi-golfy?

caird coinheringaahing

18:42

semi-golfy

AdmBorkBork

Wow, that question was blasted into oblivion.

Dennis

In 25 seconds. Not bad.

DJMcMayhem

Which one?

Rod

@DJMcMayhem codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/154684

DJMcMayhem

Dang, that was fast

mudkip201

18:45

In case you're wondering about it, the title was "QuickBooks Support Number I-88-833-82356"

Erik the Outgolfer

eh no if we were wondering we'd most probably look at the revision history :P

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Q: Help golfing this solution further

We are doing a PCG challenge at work, and I'm submitting answers in C#. This is a modification of the "M'Kay" challenge. My solution has been deemed correct by the requirements, I'm just trying to shrink it further if possible. A filler word is an apparently meaningless word, phrase, or sou...

code-golf tips c#

Magic Octopus Urn

@AdmBorkBork it was a joke ;).

AdmBorkBork

Yah, I know. If it was a little earlier today or a little later tonight, I would've made people handle negative temperatures, too.

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