The Nineteenth Byte

Pavel

20:00

$ cd /
$ echo ^
bin boot dev etc home lib lib64 lost+found media mnt opt proc root run sbin snap srv sys tmp usr var

totallyhuman

haha

Pavel

By itself it seems to be equivalent to *

betseg

i was just typing that

DJMcMayhem

@AdmBorkBork You're right, that doesn't make any sense lol

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Hey DJ booted back up!

wizzwizz4

20:02

... Why are all the bots being promoted to high positions in SE?

RO of PPCG, mod of RC...

DJMcMayhem

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Yeah, I was wondering if anyone would notice that I left the room lol

wizzwizz4

I suspect, no I'm just being paranoid ignore me.

betseg

@wizzwizz4 Every account on PPCG is a bot except you (and Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ).

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Screenshot Tiler Introduction Given a set of text-based "screenshots" merge them so that all of them form one long screenshot Challenge Take an input as a set of text-based "screenshots". Each screenshot is separated by a blank line. You must find the first line in the "screenshot" that is t...

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

how many people will leave after this? ";;/P$@$:

Pavel

20:03

Feb 1 '17 at 5:22, by Mego

@DJMcMayhem Penguin robot.

wizzwizz4

@betseg I think you're conflating "bot" and "human" there.

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ That's just irritating. :-(

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@wizzwizz4 i vill brake all ov da botz! (german accent attempt)

wizzwizz4

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Ich nicht spreche Dautchs.

betseg

I wonder how many poorly-written TNB-parsing scripts will break on ( ;;"''{<<[' this mouseover text from xkcd."

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@wizzwizz4 Ich glaube, du tust es

Anonymous

20:08

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ @wizzwizz4 Friendly reminder that this is an English chatroom, so please use English.

Dennis

2018 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

Pavel

OOOH

betseg

what will happen to the new meta posts bot

Pavel

@Dennis How long has this been in the planning?

Anonymous

Oh man 3 pins, exciting times

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

20:09

@Mego i just google translated :P

wizzwizz4

@Mego Mine was an attempt to replicate "I no speak Engrish" but it didn't really work.

Pavel

@betseg Sent to robot gulag in Siberia

Dennis

@Pavel Good question. I found out when I saw the post on meta.

Pavel

wat

Anonymous

Don't most sites do annual elections?

Riker

20:10

yep

@Dennis do you know if this is a full election, i.e. you, knob, martin, and alex are up for re-election?

Pavel

I joined PPCG September 2016, this is going to be the very first SE election I participate in.

Riker

I'm unfamiliar with how full-site mod elections work :/

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

How do I view my activity graph?

betseg

I joined PPCG July 2015, this is going to be the very first SE election I participate in.

Dennis

@Riker Is that even a thing? Afaik mods on graduated sites stay until they resign or are forcefully removed.

Riker

20:12

I have no clue

but I can't imagine why we'd need more than 4 mods

Dennis

@betseg We had 2 elections since July 2015.

Riker

even 3+ since alex is gone (;-;)

betseg

i meant 2016 :(

wizzwizz4

Aw... :-(

betseg

i misremembered (is this a word in english)

Riker

20:13

yep

Pavel

CMP: Are you running for mod this election cycle?

Anonymous

@Dennis Well sure, but we're somewhere between "graduated" and "neglected" (leaning more towards the latter)

Anonymous

@Pavel Yep

Riker

how many slots do we have?

betseg

linus torvalds' father was running for finnish election yesterday (spoiler: he lost)

caird coinheringaahing

20:14

@Pavel I'd tempted to, just to see how much I'd bomb :P

Dennis

@Riker According to codegolf.stackexchange.com/election/2, two.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Pavel I am going to just for the experience. This will be my 2nd moderator election that I ran in :P

Riker

oh dang I can't read sorry

I even ctrl-f'ed the page

I'm probably just gonna end up voting for mego and dj, maybe minx if they run

caird coinheringaahing

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ What was the first?

Pavel

@Riker Same

Riker

20:15

@cairdcoinheringaahing the last one >.>

caird coinheringaahing

@Riker 2EZ wasn't here for the last one AFAICT

Riker

@quartata are you going to run for ppcg mod?

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Q: 2018 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

Programming Puzzles & Code Golf is scheduled for an election next week, February 5th. In connection with that, we will be holding a Q&A with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is c...

Dennis

waffles

10

Riker

come on guys show that TNB spirit

give the joke more stars than the serious post

/s

betseg

20:19

it happened

Riker

same number

totallyhuman

:D

Riker

(correction: I meant the 2018 mod election QA pin)

Pavel

@Dennis What is it with you and waffles, pancakes are clearly superior.

caird coinheringaahing

Not according to SE

Riker

20:20

what the heck is with my teacher's handouts

we've done a new font each week

this week it's monospace >.>

betseg

any comic sans?

totallyhuman

my teacher does this too, and I swear she picks on random

Riker

@betseg yeah last week

totallyhuman

once there was a cursive font, and that was awful

wizzwizz4

It's to disadvantage the typeface nerds.

Riker

20:23

Jan 22 at 18:06, by Riker

tfw your bio teacher uses comic sans for the handout font

wizzwizz4

That way the scores move closer to mean.

DJMcMayhem

@NewMetaPosts :O

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem Are you planning to run?

Riker

I will bet you a couple thousand irl reputation points he will

you can redeem these by means tbd

betseg

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ did you change steam profile name

DJMcMayhem

20:27

@Pavel I didn't realize we were having an election. I'll have to think about it...

Yes (done thinking about it)

2

Riker

@DJMcMayhem you're 39/40 for mod points, right?

(the last one being "has been mod before" iirc)

DJMcMayhem

Not quite that high lol

35-37? Somewhere in there

Riker

36

DJMcMayhem

I don't think previous modship is a point

Riker

checked on sede

I thought it was but ok

DJMcMayhem

20:31

Cool

totallyhuman

what are mod points

Riker

it's a score out of 40 on how "qualified" you are to be a mod

based on which badges you have, of votings, moderating, editing, and like one other

totallyhuman

how do you find your score?

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis How many mod positions are open?

caird coinheringaahing

2

totallyhuman

20:32

2

Riker

particication iirc is teh last oen

2

...

@totallyhuman data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/298418/…

totallyhuman

@Riker ninja'd :P

DJMcMayhem

Cool

How do you know?

Riker

it's on the election page

caird coinheringaahing

It says on the election page

Riker

20:33

:p right sidebar

calling it now: mods are mego and DJ

4

caird coinheringaahing

@Riker I can't get it to work

Riker

you need to switch the site at the bottom

and put in your own PPCG uid

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't see that page...

I feel really dumb

Do you mean the Q&A?

caird coinheringaahing

20 mins ago, by Dennis

@Riker According to https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/election/2, two.

Riker

@DJMcMayhem it's linked on the QA

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Q: 2018 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

Programming Puzzles & Code Golf is scheduled for an election next week, February 5th. In connection with that, we will be holding a Q&A with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is c...

discussion featured election

DJMcMayhem

20:35

Oh, duh

Riker

"next week" link

DJMcMayhem

thanks

Riker

np

totallyhuman

23 huh

AdmBorkBork

DJ not able to follow links == disqualified :p

Poke

20:35

dope, i have a mod score of 6

vote for me, friends

caird coinheringaahing

I have 16 :/

Anonymous

37 here

totallyhuman

dang

AdmBorkBork

A vote for me is a vote for "PowerShell for everyone!" (PS - I'm not actually running)

Riker

I think the main people who have a good shot are DJ and mego, but also xnor and minx if they run

mainly since bork says he isn't running

tho I guess if geobits came out of the woodwork I'd vote for him

totallyhuman

20:40

"As your responsible moderator, I will advocate the use of less commonly used languages, such as Powershell."

AdmBorkBork

s/advocate/mandate

caird coinheringaahing

I wouldn't vote for Geobits. He isn't very active, and I don't think having another inactive mod would be worth having an election for

Riker

I'd vote for him for nostalgia probably

Poke

> if geobits came out of the woodwork

Riker

I don't think he'd win

@Poke yes?

do you not have a colony of downvotes under your bed

totallyhuman

20:41

@Riker ಠ_ಠ

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing TBH, I'm not nearly as active as I used to be either

Still active in chat, just less so on main

Riker

@DJMcMayhem you're on the site enough that I think you'd be fine

modding isn't about how much rep you have or how many answers you post

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem Wait, were you a mod?

DJMcMayhem

No

Mr. Xcoder

Now I feel like I don't know the history of PPCG

DJMcMayhem

20:43

But I used to be extremely active

I used to post like 3-4 challenges a week

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem You're one of the best (if not the best) reviewers on the site, you're almost always sensible when it comes to dealing other users and you're a brilliant RO. I think you'd be a great mod

DJMcMayhem

Now I've been a couple points away from socratic for like 2 years

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thanks! That means a lot to me. :)

caird coinheringaahing

Totally unrelated, I bet no-one can guess who I'm voting for :P

AdmBorkBork

@DJMcMayhem And I'm slowly catching you :p

Mr. Xcoder

;-; I never review, because I check the Review queues once in like 15 mins and they're empty :(

3

Pavel

20:44

How do you find your mod score

Riker

@DJMcMayhem you have 4 things left, feel free to steal some of my perptually sandboxed ones (except that image one) to make it there

@Pavel SEDE query, scroll up

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem What caird said is true. You'd be a great moderator!

Pavel

@Riker on phone, please don't make me scroll ;-;

Mr. Xcoder

I have a mod score of 33 :)

DJMcMayhem

Nice! not bad

Riker

20:45

12 mins ago, by Riker

@totallyhuman http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/298418/candidate-score?UserIds‌=1530814%2C3622940%2C1252759%2C871050%2C572%2C1234256%2C1065190%2C492405%2C616460‌%2C224988%2C3366929%2C465378%2C229044%2C1380752%2C100297%2C1849664%2C189134%2C542‌517%2C2371861%2C2581872%2C109702%2C3001736%2C1069068%2C476%2C995926%2C1952862%2C2‌876565%2C379693%2C1603234

@Pavel

Pavel

Thanks

wizzwizz4

@Riker Both of whom claim to be bots...

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Q: Screenshot Tiler

Screenshot Tiler Introduction Given a set of text-based "screenshots" merge them so that all of them form one long screenshot Challenge Take an input as a set of text-based "screenshots". Each screenshot is separated by a blank line. You must find the first line in the "screenshot" that is t...

code-golf ascii-art

totallyhuman

oh thank goodness quoted pings don't ping

wizzwizz4

Meh. If we can mod fine.

@totallyhuman They do sometimes... depending on how they're quoted.

DJMcMayhem

20:46

@totallyhuman However, comment links do :P

totallyhuman

... That's ridiculous

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman "@totallyhuman said quoted pings don't ping" How wrong he was :P

totallyhuman

oi :P

Mr. Xcoder

I might be running in too, just to see how it feels mostly. However, I don't think many people will vote for me, due to my background :| (But I personally take that as an advantage instead, because I've learned something from it, and now I know what it's like to be in that position)

@NewMainPosts Wow insta-close when it was posted in TNB

totallyhuman

I would just go for the heck of it but my chat history probably doesn't help anyways (let alone the fact that I have no experience)

Riker

20:49

@Mr.Xcoder it had at least 3 votes before that

totallyhuman

also the mod score seems like a terrible metric (I'm not saying that because I have a terrible score :P)

Mr. Xcoder

Yeah but there were, like, 2 instant VTCs... I didn't even get the chance to hit the button before it was closed

totallyhuman

it's based on badges and reputation which aren't really good ways of measuring how good of a moderator someone would be

Riker

@totallyhuman did you see the badges?

Mr. Xcoder

I feel like they're a good metric... But the review badges aren't really very relevant for PPCG, given its low traffic

Riker

20:51

they're "make edits", "review things", "flag things", and "participate on the site" mostly

Anonymous

The mod score is not meant to be the end-all be-all for suitability

caird coinheringaahing

I think number of reviews done total would be better for here

totallyhuman

also ofc Jon skeet has a score of 39

Mr. Xcoder

:o what .... What badge is he missing, review / moderation ones I guess

DJMcMayhem

You know, I am glad that this election is happening, but it is kind of a poignant reminder of the fact that we've been graduated for 2 years now with no design in sight

7

Riker

20:54

yep

41 mins ago, by Mego

@Dennis Well sure, but we're somewhere between "graduated" and "neglected" (leaning more towards the latter)

totallyhuman

oh boy today's a starfest innit

Riker

yep

Pavel

@GraceNote pls

Mr. Xcoder

How to get stars: Post a /(meta-)*/ish comment about: Not getting a design, complaining about SE not taking care of feature requests (:P), stars or November 1st.

mınxomaτ

Stop.

wizzwizz4

20:57

@Mr.Xcoder Change that to /(meta-)*/ish.

Mr. Xcoder

The one who is star-spamming should stop.

totallyhuman

in my defense, I didn't mean it to be starbait

Mr. Xcoder

@wizzwizz4 DOne.

Pavel

@Mr.Xcoder It's not really a star-spammer if all the messages have numerour stars, right?

wizzwizz4

Weren't there two stars on that starfest one?

Mr. Xcoder

20:58

@Pavel Those who have many stars are star-worthy. Those that had few and were cleared weren't.

Riker

@mınxomaτ hey, are you planning on running for mod?

or you do'nt know yet

mınxomaτ

I'm more active in TNB than on main, so very probably not.

Pavel

I wonder if Wheat Wizard will

Mr. Xcoder

Oh that's a good question

Pavel

@HeebyJeebyMan If you run for Mod, I'll vote for you if you change your name back to Wheat Wizard

10

wizzwizz4

20:59

... That's where Wheat Wizard went.

Also, that's not a good promise to make.

Mr. Xcoder

HeebyJeeby has a score of 35

wizzwizz4

The best candidates should win, not the ones who made the biggest improvement to their name.

Pavel

@wizzwizz4 Well, WW is also just a good candidate, and very active.

I just don't think PPCG should be represented by someone named "HeebyJeebyMan"

Mr. Xcoder

And although they probably won't run in, and although they're less active than they used to be, IMO Peter Taylor would be a great mod.

caird coinheringaahing

Everyone is less active than they used to be :/

wizzwizz4

21:03

I know I am.

Pavel

I was never really active. I don't actually like code golf, I just like the community.

Mr. Xcoder

I ain't much less active than I used to be (and I was on 12/24 in the summer), but there are (for some reasons) much less (IMO) interesting challenges to solve lately.

caird coinheringaahing

@Zaglo I'd vote for a mod I can actually read. Zalgo is really confusing :P /s

Pavel

Also I like programming languages

totallyhuman

'cause a) more people are doing actual work b) people are running out of ideas

wizzwizz4

21:05

@Zaglo Run please.

DJMcMayhem

→ 8 sock puppets moved to Trash

caird coinheringaahing

Huh? What was that for?

totallyhuman

...wait what

wizzwizz4

Erm...

betseg

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's not Zalgo, it's the almighty Zaglo.

(posted from main account because sock ran)

caird coinheringaahing

21:07

Wait, is Zalgo your sock?

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem I'm not a sock puppet of Jon Skeet!

betseg

@cairdcoinheringaahing no, Zaglo is

totallyhuman

ok fine you trashed that but why the heresy part?

betseg

that's the real heresy

totallyhuman

(forgive me for being inquisitive about trashed messages but i'd rather not have trashed messages)

DJMcMayhem

21:09

It was mostly the repetitiveness of different people posting variations on Heresy and ninja'd

And there's really not good reason to use sockpuppets in TNB

Heeby Jeeby Man

@Pavel 1) I can't change my name until the 15th (I will be changing it then) 2) I'm not running for mod.

caird coinheringaahing

@HeebyJeebyMan Any spoilers for the new name?

AdmBorkBork

@totallyhuman I think it's some of the latter. The super-easy challenges are already taken and used, and so people need to be more creative (which equals expending more brain power, which people are less wont to do).

Heeby Jeeby Man

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm changing it back to Wheat Wizard

totallyhuman

@AdmBorkBork +1 for using wont

caird coinheringaahing

21:10

rejoices Finally! :D

Riker

@HeebyJeebyMan is the avatar gonna keep moving around?

@cairdcoinheringaahing this is only like his 3rd name I think actually

Heeby Jeeby Man

Of course

Riker

(cartmanager XD included)

caird coinheringaahing

@Riker ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It got annoying trying to figure out who the new 30k user was

totallyhuman

i'm not bragging but i guessed it was wheat wizard the first minute :P

Riker

21:14

@totallyhuman same here, but only because I have usernames turned off rn and I just assume new avatars who know their way around chat are WW

totallyhuman

lol

AdmBorkBork

@Riker brb, changing avatar

caird coinheringaahing

Well, I've reached the point where I no longer know what my code does or is supposed to do. Achievement unlocked :P

betseg

1 hour ago, by betseg

tnb going back to its original roots, oldest message on the starboard is 6 hours old

s/6 hours/45 minutes/

wizzwizz4

@cairdcoinheringaahing I often satisfy one of those criteria. You've managed both. Congrats!

totallyhuman

21:16

Jan 14 at 23:43, by totallyhuman

@HeebyJeebyMan the fact that I guessed you were wheat wizard is ridiculous

caird coinheringaahing

@betseg I see 57 minutes ("waffles")

AdmBorkBork

I don't know what you're talking about, the oldest message I see on the star board is from the 18th.

wizzwizz4

I see jan 18.

ninja'd.

totallyhuman

pins don't count

betseg

^

caird coinheringaahing

21:18

> <function <lambda>.<locals>.<lambda>.<locals>.<lambda> at 0x05B401E0>

I think I went overboard

totallyhuman

yup

you have triple nested lambdas

good job

Pavel

Eh, I've had more lambda nesting than that

Riker

my code has 6 nested but that's an accident

(trying to abuse decorators for OOP)

betseg

how do nesting lambdas work

flawr

@betseg are you talking about a particular language?

Riker

21:24

you have a lambda with a lambda inside it

I'm using python and it looks like he's using python or C

Pavel

Also, currying

flawr

lambdaception

3

betseg

python just said <function <lambda> at address> when i tried to nest lambdas

i tihnk i did it wrong

Riker

well it doesn't tell you that

betseg

@Riker you mean c++

Riker

21:25

I know I've got 6-deep since my code is f()()()()()()

Jeremy Fisher

hello

Riker

@betseg eh whatever

@JeremyFisher hello

flawr

@Riker are you sure this is not brainflak?

betseg

@Riker c=c++

totallyhuman

f = lambda x, g = lambda y, h = lambda z: z + 1: h(y): g(x)

Riker

21:26

@flawr not really no

caird coinheringaahing

@Riker Python, definitely

betseg

@totallyhuman nice

Riker

@cairdcoinheringaahing I see teh same <> syntax python uses and honestly I don't know enough C or anything else to guess accurately

I've not tried the <local.lambda> thing before tho

Leaky Nun

@totallyhuman that's totally human-readable

o.O

totallyhuman

took me a bit to write it :P

Riker

21:31

@LeakyNun I see your pun there

betseg

baader-meinhof phenomenon? we were talking about voting cultures a few days ago and someone just upvoted a coop answer of me and Cowsquack from more than a year ago (has 6 upvotes in total)

Heeby Jeeby Man

21:42

2

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Longest Non-repeating substring Given a string as input find the longest contiguous substring that does not have any character twice or more. If there are multiple such substrings you may output either. You may assume that the input is on the printable ASCII range if you wish. Scoring Answer...

ready to post?

totallyhuman

looks good to me

Riker

CMP: should I get goat simulator while its 50% off

totallyhuman

no

Pavel

not at all

Buy Tametsi if you haven't already

Riker

but i don't have a windows machine

tha'ts the only reason why rn

Pavel

21:58

@Riker Tametsi runs on Wine flawlessly. Source: Have over a dozen hours in Tametsi, all on Linux.

Riker

lol

flawr

@HeebyJeebyMan only if you get your old name back

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Q: Longest Non-Repeating Substring

Given a string as input find the longest contiguous substring that does not have any character twice or more. If there are multiple such substrings you may output either. You may assume that the input is on the printable ASCII range if you wish. Scoring Answers will first be ranked by the len...

string code-challenge

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22:25

0

Q: How many draws are there in Quarto?

Introduction Quarto is a fun variant of 4 in a row. It is played on a 4 by 4 board with 16 unique pieces. Every turn each player places 1 piece on the board. Each piece has 4 binary characteristics (short/tall, black/white, square/circular, hollow/solid). The goal is to make four in a row, eithe...

code-challenge game permutations board-game

totallyhuman

Mar 22 '14 at 1:20, by TheDoctor

how would unpopularity-contest sound as a contest?

jeez

flawr

22:40

@totallyhuman it seems they were not the last one with this idea

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@cairdcoinheringaahing IPS

I didn't even expect to win (didn't) just wanted to say i ran :P

@betseg I changed it to "Road to not Sucking""

Dennis

→ 6 messages moved to Trash

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Dennis I was worried that I was trashed :P

Downgoat

@Riker YES

Riker

lol

I will later today I promise

Pavel

23:03

#define random() ((int)alloca(1))

New Main Posts

23:16

0

Q: Palindrome Compression

Challenge Write a program that compresses and decompresses text losslessly. It should be specialized to work well with palindromes, including case-insensitive and punctuation-insensitive palindromes. The best compression with the smallest source wins. Scoring 1000 * total_bytes_saved / program...

code-challenge compression

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

23:28

I am adulting today. Filling a tax form O_O

Anonymous

Taxes are fun

Anonymous

And by fun I mean soul-draining

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Here is the thing

Anonymous

There's actually not too bad when all you need to do is look at a W-2 and copy the numbers over to the 1040-EZ

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

I am supposed to get everything but my SS tax back

Downgoat

23:31

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ wait what you have to pay tax to the— nvm, googled >_<

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Downgoat yes you goat, I pay the Secret Service.

Downgoat

oh ok different SS we were thinking about

Anonymous

But when you have to use two W-2s and a few 1099s to fill out a full 1040 with a Schedule A and a Schedule C, it's less fun

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Yeah

That is what happens when you have a dependent or make a ton of money

Anonymous

With a dependent, it's still just a 1040, but with the required fields filled in

Anonymous

23:33

Being self-employed means you get to fill out all the fun forms

Anonymous

Oh also a 8812 with a dependent

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Wait are you self-employed?

Jan 30 '17 at 20:35, by Mego

Man, filing tax returns is a royal pain when you're self-employed

Yep!

@Mego good you see you still complain about the same things year to year :P

Pavel

I have no idea how to taxes, and my employer hasn't sent me anything yet

Anonymous

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I'm very consistent

Anonymous

@Pavel You should get your W-2 by Feb 1. If not, complain loudly.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

23:38

@Pavel Yeah do that. I just got my W-2 (employer was very prompt)

Pavel

I imagine my boss is having a fun time doing paperwork right about now.

flawr

@Mego you're self employed? didn't you talk about google or something like that a while ago?

Pavel

@flawr Didn't work out. Twice.

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