The Nineteenth Byte

Leaky Nun

7:01 PM

do ackermann in BF lol

DJMcMayhem

:|

Nah, I'll pass

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun ಠ_ಠ then try the hardy hierarchy solver ಠ_ಠ

CMP: Why do Haskell golfers use m`mod`n rather than mod m n? Or are they different?

Zacharý

Rule: If there is two golfs of equal byte count, go with the one that looks nicest/conforms to standard practices the most.

Mr. Xcoder

Is it just me or the top bar is suddenly significantly larger?

@Mr.Xcoder Confirmed by the goat's userscript since it now has a bug

H.PWiz

@Mr.Xcoder It has a different precedence, so sometimes parentheses are not necessary.

Mr. Xcoder

7:08 PM

@Downgoat bug-that-is-not-your-fault: SE updated their nav bar again so your settings button looks off... again.

@H.PWiz Ah, cool

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem "peeks at c" isn't always true :P

but hey, not everything is a challenge!

DJMcMayhem

What do you mean it isn't always true?

Riker

The Evolution of Trust

22

^ very cool

(not actually a movie, despite what it says, it's a cool interactive)

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem you're doing it conditionally with [] right?

DJMcMayhem

7:23 PM

No

That's negation

Conditionals are {...}

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem what I thought [] was stack length

DJMcMayhem

Sorry

[] is stack height, [...] Is negation

I'm conditionally popping the extra, rather than conditionally peeking

Erik the Outgolfer

isn't peeking ({})? you're still popping when peeking, unless you mean something else

DJMcMayhem

Yes

But regardless, the point is that it pops three inputs but it's still stack clean with 2 inputs

Cows quack

7:49 PM

@Riker cool but sad

mınxomaτ

Newly trained WaveNet improves TTS: google.github.io/tacotron/publications/tacotron2/index.html

Erik the Outgolfer

> Tacotron 2 or Human?

umm...human?

Riker

8:05 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer the synthesizer is named "Tacotron 2"

Erik the Outgolfer

it's a statement describing my awe in front of that

Mr. Xcoder

8:19 PM

@Riker absolutely amazing. Thanks for sharing that

dzaima

CMC: given a string matching [a-z]+, return all the possible strings with 1 letter capitalized: "abc" → ["Abc", "aBc", "abC"]

DJMcMayhem

@dzaima 7 bytes: VuýÄò~j

AdmBorkBork

@dzaima 125 bytes in PowerShell seems very long ...

Mr. Xcoder

8:34 PM

Definitely very biased towards V :P

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem yeah very obvious :p

dzaima

@Mr.Xcoder while thinking what language would be very good for this, I totally forgot about V :p

Mr. Xcoder

@dzaima I guess you’re offended that V beats SOGL for your own CMC :P ? /s

DJMcMayhem

Does it? What's the SOGL answer?

Mr. Xcoder

I estimate Jelly at ~ 8 -> 12 bytes

dzaima

8:40 PM

@Mr.Xcoder SOGL's pretty bad for this :p

tfbninja

Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this cheddar program? I have never used it before

Leaky Nun

@dzaima 64: lambda s:[s[:i]+chr(ord(s[i])-32)+s[i+1:]for i in range(len(s))]

@Mr.Xcoder mine was 9

Mr. Xcoder

Don’t spoiler yet

Leaky Nun

@tfbninja well, what's wrong is that there is no program

tfbninja

yeah sorry here [it is]( tio.run/##S85ITUlJLPr/vzwjMydVIdPGXKGai7OgKDOvREHJGSKpxFX7/z8A)

AdmBorkBork

8:42 PM

@Mr.Xcoder If that's true, then maybe 125 isn't too long by very much

DJMcMayhem

Wow, I didn't realize V would do so well at that

dzaima

@dzaima SOGL, 10 bytes

Leaky Nun

@tfbninja because you haven't defined i

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun I am tempted to use ṙ. Do you use it too?

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder I don't

tfbninja

8:44 PM

The Syntax error is saying unknown token at the while statement

@LeakyNun

Leaky Nun

the position of the unknown token is always a bug

tfbninja

@LeakyNun could you send me an example loop?

Leaky Nun

seems like while is also bugged

@Downgoat

tfbninja

i did the same thing with for though

*it did

DJMcMayhem

Oh shoot

@dzaima 5 bytes: Try it online!

Riker

8:48 PM

@Mr.Xcoder np

@DJMcMayhem can you translate that to vim?

and LOL V is first place

Mr. Xcoder

Can't let that happen :P

DJMcMayhem

@Riker ý doesn't really translate.

But the rest is YPqq~j@qq@q

I missed that the input would be lowercase, so I wasted two bytes converting it to lowercase

I guess in this specific case, ýÄ == dd3P (cause the input is three characters long)

dzaima

@dzaima APL, 30 bytes. Feels very golfable

Riker

@DJMcMayhem what's y do then?

(can't do the accent on my keyboard)

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun 7 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

8:56 PM

Um huh... I am, too ashamed to reveal my byte count >_<

DJMcMayhem

@Riker It gives the length of the current line as a count

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer nice

Erik the Outgolfer

(btw if you look at the specs better you may feel a facepalm :P)

Mr. Xcoder

facepalm

Riker

13?

@DJMcMayhem huh cool

dzaima

8:59 PM

28 bytes. Probably the best I can do with this method

Riker

stupid way to comment out a python function: make an empty decorator and apply it

def empty(func):
	return lambda *args:None

^ this works surprisingly well to test things

DJMcMayhem

I don't actually know how decorators work >_>

H.PWiz

@dzaima Husk, 7 bytes: ´Ṫo?aI=

Riker

@DJMcMayhem function wrappers basically

example:

def strip_params(func):
	def func_wrapper(url):
		return func(url[:url.index('&')])

	return func_wrapper

'func' in the input is the thing that's covered by @strip_params

quite nice

Erik the Outgolfer

@dzaima huh for me it's 20 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

9:05 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer What algo do you use?

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer ..I was just going to post something extremely alike (22 bytes)

Leaky Nun

@DJMcMayhem but is it documented?

dzaima

wouldn't have ever thought of moving that @ in by ⌶ though

H.PWiz

@EriktheOutgolfer 19 bytes

dzaima

@H.PWiz doesn't work for abca :/

H.PWiz

9:09 PM

Oh yeah. My Husk is invalid also

DJMcMayhem

@LeakyNun Nope

Leaky Nun

@DJMcMayhem ...

Riker

V is great and does all things

DJMcMayhem

That is absolutely correct

Riker

@DJMcMayhem I'm glad you agree :)

FrownyFrog

9:24 PM

@dzaima J, 23: (-"1(32)*[:=#\)&.(3&u:)

tio.run/##y/r/…

Zacharý

What is so great about Cheddar?

Riker

it was not well though through

Pavel

@Zacharý Nothing. V is just even less usable.

Riker

it's not great at all :p

@Zacharý see the edit history on that msg

Zacharý

Oh

DJMcMayhem

9:28 PM

@Riker :D

Riker

@DJMcMayhem fixed

caird coinheringaahing

ರ_ರ Mod powers

Riker

it was for a good cause

AdmBorkBork

V is great and does all things ... PowerShell is great and does all things ... ergo, V is PowerShell :p

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ I just found the ಠ character on my keyboard

Zacharý

9:34 PM

It's on your keyboard >

Riker

I have autocorrect give make "tha" become ಠ_ಠ

also a keyboard shortcut

Mr. Xcoder

ಠ_ಠ cairdcoinheringaahing’s keyboard! How can a keyboard contain such an odd character by default >___>

Zacharý

If you live in an area where Kannada is spoken, then of course it would be there,

Pavel

I configured my compose key to <ck>ka -> ಠ_ಠ

Zacharý

Why ka?

Pavel

9:40 PM

kannadan face

Magic Octopus Urn

South-park Canadian Face: (= |) -> (= V)

Just realized kannadan != canadian.

ಠ_ಠ

XD

@MagicOctopusUrn >_>

It's been a long day, I'm misreading everything at this point.

caird coinheringaahing

9:42 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Phones are great :P

Riker

> Why did the moss reject his food?
> It wasn't to his lichen

Conor O'Brien

TOP QUALITY ORIGINAL JOKE, 10/10 IGN

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ

Magic Octopus Urn

You'd have to be a botanist to be lichen that...

Riker

...

Zacharý

9:46 PM

@MagicOctopusUrn ᐵ

Magic Octopus Urn

@Zacharý What mathematical symbol is that even?

caird coinheringaahing

I found the best book ever: i.stack.imgur.com/VmfwK.jpg

Zacharý

Canadian syllabics, actually

Magic Octopus Urn

Interesting, I have no idea what that is.

Aboriginal syllabics? Ah, so native tongues?

Interesting.

Zacharý

Yeah, hence why I replied to "kannadan != candian"

caird coinheringaahing

9:49 PM

Some of the quotes are priceless: "Americans are like children: noisy, curious, unable to keep a secret, not given to subtlety and prone to misbehave is public"

Yes, I realise I'm talking to an American crowd :P

Magic Octopus Urn

Yeah... I', kind of ignorant to Indian culture, my school never did much on India as a whole; I feel bad about that now lol. I'm reading the Kannadan wikipedia article.

Zacharý

At least know Kannadan != Canadian. Unless 'ಠ' is pronounced 'eh', they are totally different.

AdmBorkBork

All I know about Indian culture I learned from Ben Kingsley ... In my school, if it didn't happen in Europe or the US, it basically didn't exist. :-/

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

^

caird coinheringaahing

It is a good thing that all the Indian users are asleep right now

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

9:53 PM

yep

Magic Octopus Urn

Agreed, really sad honestly, perpetuates the american stereotype of ignorance through inheritance...

AdmBorkBork

Proclaiming ignorance of something doesn't mean I'm insulting that something.

Zacharý

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well, there is an ambiguity there.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

XD

caird coinheringaahing

I'd say that ignorance about the second largest country in the world in population is insulting. Knowing nothing about 1/7 of the world just shows that you don't care about/value their society.

Magic Octopus Urn

10:00 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing eh... Knowing a lot about Indian culture doesn't show that I care/value their society either.

AdmBorkBork

While I can see your point, in a lot of ways your statement is true. It doesn't impact my life on a daily basis in the same way that the Kardashians don't, and so I must admit that I don't really pay attention to either, among lots of other things I don't pay attention to.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Feliz navidad, prospero año y felicidad code-golf kolmogorov-complexity So christmas is comming and carols are on the radio all day. Jose Feliciano's Feliz Navidad song is a good example of this. Your task is to print the entire (and repetitive) song. Lyrics: Feliz navidad Feliz navidad Feliz...

Magic Octopus Urn

@AdmBorkBork Yeah, adding to that people usually seek knowledge to an end; if no end presents itself involving a culture, the importance of other information often supersedes that which is auxiliary. If not caring about information I consider "auxiliary" makes me a bigot then I am one I suppose >_>... Then again, I know just as little about Canada as I do Kannada... So I guess I'm just not a historian.

caird coinheringaahing

@AdmBorkBork I'd say that not knowing about the Kardashians is an insult to them, but I'm perfectly fine with insulting them until The This Is Fine dog finally realised that it isn't fine.

Magic Octopus Urn

I know a lot about germany because I had a german exchange student in highschool >_>

Took german because he was honestly the coolest dude I'd met hah.

caird coinheringaahing

10:06 PM

Stupid mobile chat

Magic Octopus Urn

I've never heard anyone talk so much crap about American breads.

AdmBorkBork

If ignorance of something is an insult to that something, then I'm insulting a lot of stuff and people. And so is everyone. I don't think that's a fair point to construe.

Magic Octopus Urn

"Wonder bread? Is a wonder they make bread!"

caird coinheringaahing

@NewSandboxedPosts Who wants to tell them about the Rickroll challenge?

AdmBorkBork

Just did.

Magic Octopus Urn

10:10 PM

@AdmBorkBork Is there no middle ground for that rule?

AdmBorkBork

@MagicOctopusUrn Which rule, the RickRoll dupe rule? Plain KC challenges have been done to death, just like plain Quine challenges. There has to be something special to them, else they'll be poorly received on Main.

Riker

esp ones that use that kind of compression

Magic Octopus Urn

TFW you're looking for a christmas ASCII challenge and find this shit: pastebin.com/fkK92t1g

Riker

(phrases set to variables)

Magic Octopus Urn

@Riker Ahhh... so, the XKCD KC* one is okay, but the static-ness of the pattern is annoying?

If you add like, an element of randomness to the KC it's fine?

So if it was the Spanish "happy birthday" song and you added the input of the name, the challenge would be well-received?

In comparison, obviously, that's a crap challenge too.

AdmBorkBork

10:15 PM

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Q: Sing Happy Birthday to your favourite programming language

Your favourite programming language has just had a birthday. Be nice and sing it the Happy Birthday song. Of course you should accomplish this by writing a program in that language. The program takes no input, and writes the following text to the standard output or an arbitrary file: Happy Birt...

Not least of which because that's already been done, too. ;-)

Magic Octopus Urn

@AdmBorkBork I mean, yeah, dude, I know it exists. I'm just trying to find the line.

Sir, I am attempting to locate a line, of which, currently, I have yet to be able to indentify within a reasonable accuracy.

DJMcMayhem

@Riker That's incredible

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

My code doesn't work @DJMcMayhem pastebin.com/bCsHqu6J

Magic Octopus Urn

Also, does anyone play "Space Engineers" I just bought a server for it >_>

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

>_>

how do you manage to do that without thinking

mego doess

DJMcMayhem

10:17 PM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Good lord, how long is your code?

That doesn't even load for me

You should just use a link shortener instead of pastebin

AdmBorkBork

@MagicOctopusUrn It's a fuzzy line, brosephus. One of those "I know it when I see it" sort of things.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@DJMcMayhem 66848 bytes bytes

AdmBorkBork

Well, there's your problem -- it's more than 65535

ATaco

The permalink could not be decoded.

DJMcMayhem

You're on your own bro.

Magic Octopus Urn

10:18 PM

@AdmBorkBork which etymology is "sephus" again? Greek?

ATaco

Sounds greek to me.

DJMcMayhem

@AdmBorkBork @MagicOctopusUrn Man, it is so confusing when you're both chatting in the same room

ATaco

Aramaic, apprently.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

so i need to golf my code by 2000 bytes in brainflak

hmm

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem ~~Why because half the time I'm 50% out-of-it saying 100% incoherent crap?~~ Avatars, got it....

AdmBorkBork

10:20 PM

@DJMcMayhem I'm wearing a Menorah that's pretending it's a series of rockets.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

profile pictures

Magic Octopus Urn

@AdmBorkBork I did offer to invert my picture colors like, what, 7 months ago?

AdmBorkBork

Something like that.

Magic Octopus Urn

But then I really think this is the first time in 7 months we've talked in nineteenth byte.

AdmBorkBork

Aug 3 at 19:42, by Magic Octopus Urn

Invert the color is ahem what I meant... I don't think the orentation of a cube really... erm, matters?

ATaco

10:22 PM

@LeakyNun Funky, 16 bytes a=>a::rotate(-1)

AdmBorkBork

4 months, 7 months, eh, close enough

Magic Octopus Urn

@AdmBorkBork wow... how did you even?

Leaky Nun

I earned a secret hat :D

Magic Octopus Urn

ALSO YEAH, WTF IS WITH THE HATS.

Leaky Nun

@ATaco nice

Magic Octopus Urn

10:23 PM

I want a cube-hat.

ATaco

@LeakyNun RProgN 2, 1 byte ‹

AdmBorkBork

@MagicOctopusUrn Simple search for "invert"

@MagicOctopusUrn Winterbash is upon us.

Magic Octopus Urn

@AdmBorkBork Ahhh... is there a link to explain it/

ATaco

I'm still fighting for the Taco hat

AdmBorkBork

@MagicOctopusUrn Hats post beware spoilers (they're hidden behind spoiler tags) for the secret hats.

Magic Octopus Urn

10:27 PM

@AdmBorkBork Ahhh.. so it's just an event to get users more active during holidays?

Smart, I wonder if they did this when realizing traffic was lowered during holidays?

AdmBorkBork

Yeah. A fun little thing to reward people for doing what they would normally do (vote, post, etc.).

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

why does UTF-8 ruin my life

Magic Octopus Urn

First challenge in awhile: https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/14432/59376
"Meh"?

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10:44 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

[CHRISTMAS THEME DISCLAIMER HERE] You're tasked with hanging up the lights for this Christmas season, and your family has decided that for it to be a merry Christmas, you need to hang at least 2 Christmas lights on your house. So, your challenge is, given a number 1 < n < 200, output the corresp...

Leaky Nun

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A: Determine Superabundance

Jelly, 12 bytes RÆs©Ṫ×R>®×$Ạ Try it online! or Find all superabundant numbers below 1000. because I hate floating points.

golfing advice?

Magic Octopus Urn

10:59 PM

My hat is a black wig that makes my cube look like a circle xD

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