The Nineteenth Byte

caird coinheringaahing

12:25 AM

\o/ Reclaimed hat leadership :P (for PPCG)

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12:50 AM

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Q: Requiring non-builtin answers

Ever since PPCG was created, answers using builtins have been an issue for challenge writers. Sometimes, an interesting challenge can be posted, only for some languages (not necessarily golfing languages) to have a builtin function that does all the work. Some people don't mind these answers, oth...

caird coinheringaahing

@NewMetaPosts That was quick

Qwerp-Derp

Does anyone here have experience with Swift?

mınxomaτ

1:29 AM

Best open source project name: github.com/commonsense/conceptnet-numberbatch

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ATaco

Isn't that the name of that one actor?

ATaco

2:44 AM

I want to make a really Functional language using the Tokenizer I wrote for Funky, but I can't find the drive to start.

orlp

>>> False == False in [False]
True

Leaky Nun

@orlp that's (False == False) and (False in [False])

because of chaining

but you got me for a second, good job

HyperNeutrino

3:09 AM

@LeakyNun that is the most awkward chaining I have every seen o_O

Leaky Nun

hi

HyperNeutrino

also i'm mad. i killed a zombie in minecraft and then 5 zombies appeared out of nowhere and killed me; 1 of them even had an iron sword like where the heck did THAT come from

oh and also it was hardcore mode so i'm sad

also hello leaky :D

oh well i put about 30 minutes of work into it so far so i don't even care that much. but it was a good world spawn and i'm still sad :( :P

Οurous

I'm way too proud of \s=toInt o(%)s

Wheat Wizard

3:51 AM

@Fatalize Do you still golf in Prolog? Does anyone golf Prolog?

Bruce Forte

@WheatWizard: Only a few hours ago, I downloaded a copy of "The Art of Prolog" because I'm interested in a new programming paradigm :)

You reckon it's worth it?

Wheat Wizard

Logical programming is cool, prolog is kindof antiquated

Bruce Forte

What should I learn instead?

Wheat Wizard

The Art of Prolog is pretty old, I haven't read it but I've heard its pretty outdated

@BruceForte Prolog is still the best, as far as i know, but that doesn't make it great

Bruce Forte

old ≠ bad

But if it's outdated, maybe I'll look for something else then

Wheat Wizard

3:56 AM

That's true, but Prolog is both

It's still supposed to be good, so it might be a good starting point, I really don't know, I'm just parroting what I've heard.

Bruce Forte

7:29 AM

@WheatWizard: How do lists work in Prolog :S

Wheat Wizard

What do you mean?

I will admit they are not very easy to deal with

Bruce Forte

If I call l(123,X) it starts complaining because it expects a list & l([1,2,3],X) complains about Illegal numbers

(trying to test your solution)

Wheat Wizard

Oh, it expects a string not a atom

try string_to_list(123,X),l(X,L).

Bruce Forte

Yeah, that works

Thx!

Maybe you should add a TIO.

Wheat Wizard

I didn't know enough prolog to make TIO work.

I plan on figuring that out soon, I'm still working on golfing my program back down.

Bruce Forte

7:36 AM

Yeah, np

Anyway, gtg. Thanks for raising my interest in Prolog :)

Bye!

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8:23 AM

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Q: Print a flag in as little lines as possible!

Just for fun, I wanted to see how little lines I could solve this problem in, using python. I managed to condense my code into 9 lines. size = int(input("Size: ")) a = [x for x in range(size-2, -1, -1)] if size % 2 == 0 else [x for x in range(size-2, 0, -1)] b, counter = a[::-1], 0 print("\n"+"...

python

Mr. Xcoder

Just found a trick so that gold code-golf users can VTC as dupe without hammer. Remove the tag, VTC and rollback

Wheat Wizard

8:40 AM

@Mr.Xcoder Its always been possible, but I think it is heavily discouraged

fun fact: the reverse does not work, you can't add a tag so you can hammer a quesiton.

Sherlock9

8:52 AM

I've only gotten hats on Worldbuilding thus far, weirdly enough

But I have mainly been away for the past week

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10:14 AM

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Q: Write Program in few lines

Outline of challenge Your quest of this code-golf post is to create a flag (as printed bellow) in as few bytes as possible. The flag has an X shape and a border of #'s. Given any integer n create an appropriate flag. Basic Rules No use of standard [loop holes][1]. Least number of bytes wins...

code-golf

user202729

@NewMainPosts Why does Community ♦ behave like that?

(vote to close as duplicate)

Should this have a leaderboard?

user202729

11:16 AM

Will editing a CW post notify the OP? What about commenting?

Fatalize

11:41 AM

@WheatWizard not much, Brachylog has the same principles as Prolog so it would be kind of redundant to use both

Erik the Outgolfer

1:21 PM

@user202729 because it's OP who agreed with close votes

HyperNeutrino

@user202729 Yes to editing; I forget for comments but I think so.

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Q: A very long Terza Rima

Description Output the rhyme scheme for a very long Terza rima. Input none. Output ABA BCB CDC DED EFE FGF GHG HIH IJI JKJ KLK LML MNM NON OPO PQP QRQ RSR STS TUT UVU VWV WXW XYX YZY Rules You can pick between seperating stanza's with whitespace or newlines so either: ABA BCB... OR AB...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity

user202729

There are always some atoms I don't know about... My solution is 10 bytes.

HyperNeutrino

Cool, can I see your approach? :D

user202729

This time I also forgot that "a niladic link start with a nilad is equal to the monadic link evaluate at that nilad.

ØAµṖżṖj"ḊY.

(of course the µ is completely unnecessary)

HyperNeutrino

1:35 PM

Ah okay. Interesting

user202729

1:47 PM

Almost worked... Will be longer anyway.

Socratic Phoenix

Why aren't there any image recognition APIs that provide coordinates for the object in the image -_-

cutting edge research ought to be a bit more cutting edge and a bit more free :(

flawr

What about openCV?

caird coinheringaahing

3:22 PM

:O I've got 160 rep today without posting anything

HyperNeutrino

wat

how

caird coinheringaahing

From answers I posted yesterday

HyperNeutrino

i've gotten 85 today and i've posted 3 answers :p

caird coinheringaahing

I posted 6~7 answers yesterday, got about 130 rep, then came home from school and had a +160 in my inbox :P

HyperNeutrino

lol :P

i'm 5 away from gold code-golf :D

i went from 992 to 980-something because a user got deleted so i was sad :( but then a challenge got posted and I could just spam-answer in all the languages and farm rep and score

lol

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3:30 PM

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Q: Yo Dawg I Heard You Like Code Golf

Write a program that outputs another program that outputs another program that… etc. for as many iterations as you want. The innermost program's output should complete the meme: So I put a code golf inside your code golf so that you can golf your code while golfing your code Rules At lea...

code-challenge kolmogorov-complexity metagolf

caird coinheringaahing

Any final feedback? Thinking about posting it later

user202729

Looks good.

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Two upvotes away from taco hat or 2 upvotes away from Sherlock hat

user202729

PPCG theorem: the harder a question is, the more upvotes/less answers it gets. (correct?)

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, sounds about right

HyperNeutrino

3:41 PM

the answers part is definitely true. probably the upvotes as well because most people see it and are like "nope too hard bye"

Mr. Xcoder

I don’t agree with the first part

user202729

Is there a way to search for sandbox challenge?

HyperNeutrino

how to get upvote: 1) meme question 2) profit

@user202729 in the question part of the sandbox post there should be a search link put there by someone (I think me or the other guy)

user202729

The most votes question on this site is also (probably?) the hardest...

Mr. Xcoder

@user202729 yeah but it doesn’t apply for all challenges

:( I am into a Pyth outgolf war on mobile

HyperNeutrino

3:48 PM

CMP: Who would be interested in answering a KoTH sometime in the near future? It's been a while since there's been a KoTH (I think) and I'm planning on posting one soon.

user202729

... Not sure. If there is something interesting I would answer.

HyperNeutrino

okay

user202729

BTW @HyperNeutrino this is O(n*(2^n)) unless you implement it extremely poorly. I have a (fairly obvious) n^2... Anyone want to solve this?

HyperNeutrino

I'll try to make it have some elements that make it significantly different from other KoTHs (not just adding more defenses/attacks for bots) but I'm currently having trouble thinking of something creative enough but not outrageously hard to implement (both for controller or for a fighter bot)

caird coinheringaahing

I have two KoTHs in the sandbox, but I haven;t got round to making the controllers yet

Dennis

3:51 PM

@user202729 It is, but the second most voted question is to print 2014.

HyperNeutrino

@user202729 Hm okay. If you can justify optimality then the bounty will go to you :D

@cairdcoinheringaahing I can help implement controllers if you want because implementing controllers is (kind of) fun (until everything starts breaking and people yell at you in the comments)

caird coinheringaahing

You guys are all better at golfing Python than me, any suggestions?

user202729

@ Dennis : Obvious counterexample... popcon in the past can get a lot of votes.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I'm going to have a bunch of spare time in the summer, and will probably finish them then, but thanks for the offer

HyperNeutrino

> the summer

is it just me or is that in like 7 months

unless you live in the southern hemisphere?

but UK is in north... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk i won't judge

user202729

3:54 PM

@HyperNeutrino Yes that's also what I think of...

HyperNeutrino

I mean in the southern hemisphere it's already the summer :P

caird coinheringaahing

End of June is the end of my exams, so I have a bunch of free time from then until September :P

HyperNeutrino

ah ok. so it is in like 7 months (closer to 6 but w/e) :p

anyway gtg o/

user202729

@El'endiaStarman In case you missed the notification, I commented about posting your sandbox challenge.

El'endia Starman

@user202729 That's why I dropped in here, actually. :)

Erik commented that my "shortest solutions" for levels 4 and 5 have issues. Gonna fix those then solicit final feedback in here.

user202729

3:58 PM

Link for reference because I always forget it for some reason. Link to doodle.

Being longer than necessary or cannot eat all carrot?

El'endia Starman

Not 100% sure.

user202729

Wait... if this is atomic-golf, why is the objective find the shortest solution?

user202729

4:13 PM

Because, then the objective is absolute... I suggest "program must terminate in 10 seconds. Output the shortest program possible you can" or something like that.

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Q: Create a regex to match a given range of integers in a given radix

Task Write a either a function for a compiled language or a command line script that, given three integers n,a,b prints a regular expression which matches all of the base-n integers from a to b (and no integers outside of that range). Your algorithm must be deterministic (i.e., produce the corr...

regular-expression

El'endia Starman

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Google's Hopping Bunny atomic-golf code-challenge On December 4, 2017, the Google Doodle was a graphical programming game featuring a bunny. The later levels were nicely non-trivial and they seemed like a great candidate for an atomic-golf challenge. Details Game There are four available mo...

Final feedback requested!

@user202729 Yep, I added that.

> Winning criterion: sum of number of moves of shortest solutions found for each board with a total runtime of 1 minute to analyze all boards.

user202729

1 minute process all boards? Also you may want to say "on your machine".

El'endia Starman

Yeah. I'm not totally sure that 1 minute is the right limit. It's always hard to find that line between impossible and super easy for stuff like this.

Alternatively, I could say one minute per board. Edit: Yeah, I like that better. Edited the meta post.

Erik the Outgolfer

@El'endiaStarman looks like you fixed the issues with the solutions

however, something I'm unclear about is what you mean by "total runtime of 1 minute"

user202729

4:27 PM

I suggest "shortest solution your program can", because in 1 minute the program may not be able to find the globally optimal solution.

El'endia Starman

@EriktheOutgolfer Yep. I suspect there might be a way to solve level 4 with a solution that's the same as level 5, just with loop counts tweaked, but I'm not going to go to the effort of finding that out. If that is the case, I'll let solvers find out.

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