The Nineteenth Byte

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Q: Is the language "BrainF_ck" offensive?

There are a couple of posts on SO where the BrainF_ck language is mentioned that have been flagged as offensive. Should these be edited to "BrainF_ck" (or something else), or left as is? Personally, I could go either way.

Magic Octopus Urn

Haha! Ofc there s a meta-post.

I need to meta more.

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn Not on mother meta you don't. If you go in there, you don't ever leave

@MagicOctopusUrn There's also this which complains specifically about us :P

Magic Octopus Urn

ROFL, "why is PPCG so offensive! They're just coders!"

"Vile beasts that they are!"

HyperNeutrino

Poll: Python or Ruby

Magic Octopus Urn

Python because Ruby versioning/gem versioning is cancer.

caird coinheringaahing

20:13

@HyperNeutrino Python, because it's readable

HyperNeutrino

I like Python better but one of my friends says Ruby is superior in all aspects but efficiency.

Magic Octopus Urn

Ruby is ridiculously shit for enterprise standards... As soon as you upgrade the version ALL of the code is defunct.

HyperNeutrino

rip

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Python can be better for golfing

Magic Octopus Urn

We have like 20 pieces of code in 1.8.7...

Not kidding, ruby 1.8.7

HyperNeutrino

20:14

@cairdcoinheringaahing well true but I'm talking about practical uses here :P

Magic Octopus Urn

Simply because nobody knows how TF to migrate them to > 2.3

HyperNeutrino

rip

Magic Octopus Urn

Don't get me wrong, a ruby expert could... Ruby is AMAZING for job security.

HyperNeutrino

huh why the flag?

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Read the conversation me and Magic just had

HyperNeutrino

20:16

ok I mean calling a language shit could be considered "un-nice" but still

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I thought that occasional swearing was fine in chat

Gabriel Romon

someone got their feelings hurt over the Ruby comment ? :P

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Now we've drawn in a non-golfer.

I mean, Hi @GabrielRomon!

Gabriel Romon

flags ping every user with +10k reputation in the chatrooms

HyperNeutrino

But he's a Math.SE person and we like Math

caird coinheringaahing

20:18

@GabrielRomon Yeah, I know, but it isn't a good thing to draw a user into the room who's never been here again

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing try telling me directly that I'm being inappropriate instead. I have a... less than adequate filter.

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn Trust me, mine is worse :P

HyperNeutrino

> who's never been here again

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing What?!?! No YOU DON'T! starts swearing profusely

caird coinheringaahing

Poll: Is "tosser" offensive?

Magic Octopus Urn

20:19

@cairdcoinheringaahing The tosser... of what?

HyperNeutrino

I was not aware that anyone would even find that remotely offensive so ???

^^

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing beanbags? No. A man? Prolly.

MetaEd

@cairdcoinheringaahing According to this room's etiquette, "avoid inappropriate language". Also according to SE Be Nice policy, "avoid vulgar terms".

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Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing pretty sure the context in non-US states is generally a man... So, no, that's bad.

Gabriel Romon

@caird do you master some of the esoteric languages that are used in the golfing site ? Like the ones which turn a normal ~100 bytes into 5 bytes

caird coinheringaahing

20:20

@GabrielRomon one of them, yeah (not master per se, but I'm good)

HyperNeutrino

@GabrielRomon Jelly is nice

Magic Octopus Urn

I mean if Aussies can't say their word for "my good mate" I'd say that's right out.

HyperNeutrino

It's quite hard to learn but it's fun to use

05AB1E is a bit easier but often not as short (it has different 1-byte built-ins though which sometimes makes it shorter than Jelly)

BrainF**k is an example of a language that turns 5 bytes into ~100 bytes

Magic Octopus Urn

@GabrielRomon if you want a starter esolang, try using 05ab1e to implement "Output the first n prime numbers".

Gabriel Romon

@MagicOctopusUrn I'll have a look

Magic Octopus Urn

20:22

@GabrielRomon the info.txt page there is by far my favorite straight-forward and easy-to-pick up intro to the esolang.

If you have questions about 05AB1E I can help fosho.

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn Should we start a "which is better, 05ab1e or Jelly" debate?

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing that has no answer. The answer for "which is easier to pick up" is definitely 05AB1E.

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn I warn you, I have a mod on my side :P /s

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing honestly, though, in terms of being able to solve anything? Jelly. Easily.

HyperNeutrino

better for what though?

Magic Octopus Urn

20:25

There's some problems where you can't even think about using 05AB1E...

HyperNeutrino

it depends on the built-ins being used

05AB1E has the advantage that it has some 1-byte built-ins that are 2 bytes in Jelly, but also vice versa.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Evaluating Python code

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing ಠ_ಠ

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino if you're talknig versatility, I think Jelly easily wins. If you're talking about base-compression and a few specific topics. 05AB1E kicks bum. Easily learnable? Jelly... not so much, 05AB1E, easy... etc..

The argument ends at: They're different languages and the best tool for the job is what it is.

caird coinheringaahing

Also, 05AB1E wins outright when it comes to retrieving constant values

Magic Octopus Urn

20:27

@cairdcoinheringaahing Like registers? I always thought that was horrid in 05AB1E.

3 registers 1 byte to store 1 byte to recall... Often times you need to do this twice resulting in 4 bytes.

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn No, nilads (getting 100, 200 etc)

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing example of 100?

HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn т

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn All of these

Magic Octopus Urn

I meant in jelly you silly, ofc I know the 100 built-in for 05AB1E :P

mınxomaτ

20:28

1k votes in 7h on HN, and people asking for a bigger price tag. The Sublime Text release is getting some well-deserved love...

Magic Octopus Urn

I know 05AB1E too well at this point ._. I need to branch out, but work is killin' me.

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn superscript 3

@MagicOctopusUrn How about Deorst?

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing never even heard of it, was lookin' at charcoal since I lvoe me some ascii-art.

Or dzamia's SOGL, he has murdered some challenges with it.

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn SOGL is intentionally difficult to learn, as dzaima wants it to be stable before people learn it

Magic Octopus Urn

What is it?

caird coinheringaahing

20:30

@MagicOctopusUrn Deorst

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing I've been pestering him on any question where he kills my 05AB1E byte-count, he said the same xD.

caird coinheringaahing

Version 2 is much golfier, and almost done

Magic Octopus Urn

Is it yours?

HyperNeutrino

SatansSon is caird

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn Do you use the reply button in chat?

HyperNeutrino

20:31

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog <- codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/66833/caird-coinheringaahing

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Welp, I picked the wrong picture

HyperNeutrino

lol

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing is there a reply button other than clicking the "dropdown" and selecting reply?

@cairdcoinheringaahing cause I'm on a laptop, it's WAY easier typing @ca.

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn Nope. That's how

Magic Octopus Urn

(You can see the difference there, the top one I clicked reply, the second I did not).

Mistah Figgins

20:33

@cairdcoinheringaahing there is a reply button on the right

dzaima

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't really want to make it stable. I just want to ditch it completely. The interpreter is just plain horrible

Magic Octopus Urn

Does it help the site, cause it sucks to do on my laptop.

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Online accounts hate my dog. Gmail says he has no face, and GitHub says he's too big

Magic Octopus Urn

@dzaima dude, that's what everyone says about everything.

@dzaima credit if you just don't have the time to maintain it. If you're afraid of being judged for instability, that's another thing; if that's the reason... meh. Everything is unstable at some level.

caird coinheringaahing

@dzaima If you really want to see horrible, look at this

HyperNeutrino

20:35

Pure horribleness

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino At least Proton has functionality. ^^ is worth jack-shit

HyperNeutrino

lol

dzaima

@cairdcoinheringaahing That looks relatively okay comparing to SOGLs loop system

much better than vectorising

HyperNeutrino

Hi can anyone figure out how to use modgrammar's WORD construct

It's in this section

caird coinheringaahing

@dzaima Mine doesn't have vectorizing

dzaima

20:38

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm saying that the whole code is better together

this is a SOGL command to swap case

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Wait, there's a module that helps make languages? (ノ°Д°）ノ︵ ┻━┻

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing yup, and parsimonious

modgrammar's apparently better thought

parsimonious is PEG so it can't left-recurse

Magic Octopus Urn

I wrote an esolang! 1 prints 1, 0 prints 0. -p prints if the number is prime. -s outputs it as ascii. -yourmom sends an email containing the 0's and 1's in a birthday e-card.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino TWO?!?! slams door

HyperNeutrino

lol

@MagicOctopusUrn congrats! :D

:P

caird coinheringaahing

20:40

@MagicOctopusUrn FYI, single character commands are easier to implement/parse

HyperNeutrino

wait what ._.

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino wait, yes. It's the only 3 functions the esolang provides.

An entire database of mother's emails is the reason the interpreter is 50GB.

HyperNeutrino

but why -yourmom

caird coinheringaahing

@MagicOctopusUrn Link?

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing I was being facetious. I believe dzamia's language is more baller status that he gives himself credit for.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Therefore I was giving an example of something stupid I'd probably do.

I really liked my idea of OEISolang.

By the "implementations" of those algorithms on the site are gross...

caird coinheringaahing

20:45

@MagicOctopusUrn The most important question in the development of an esolang is... the name

And now, I must leave. Peace out y'all! o:

DJMcMayhem

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Magic Octopus Urn

#Savage Randy Flamethrower (The interpreter is just "print(args[0]);")

HyperNeutrino

Is that Python?

DJMcMayhem

@MagicOctopusUrn There's really no need to post those kind of links in here. I've said it subtly before, so I'll say it directly now: Please be careful with the type of language you post in here.

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem I took that from an earlier conversation, I thought that was the official list of banned words O_O.

@cairdcoinheringaahing what even was that list bro lol.

HyperNeutrino

20:47

yes so why would you post a list of banned things in the place where it's banned

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino Because I was not the first to do so!

DJMcMayhem

@MagicOctopusUrn I don't see that earlier conversation, but if I was around when it happened, I would have trashed that too

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ

DJMcMayhem

I may still do so if I can find it

Magic Octopus Urn

Also because, I mean, have you not noticed I'm rather dumb?

Socially at least ._.

DJMcMayhem

20:49

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@cairdcoinheringaahing Please do not post links like that ever again.

Magic Octopus Urn

But yeah, that gave me like 40 curse words I never knew about #Nothing.

@DJMcMayhem I think I should just stop talking in 19th byte lol. I can't human correctly.

HyperNeutrino

Octopi tend to have trouble interacting with humans I'm guessing?

Magic Octopus Urn

Not @TinyOctopus from Imgur.

Also my name is just an anagram... so... R.I.P. carusocomputing

HyperNeutrino

hi why does modgrammar's WORD not work

like grammar = (WORD('0-9')) doesn't parse 123

Magic Octopus Urn

does WORD('[0-9]') work?

class Number (Grammar):
grammar = (WORD("0-9")) # is the example they give?

HyperNeutrino

20:57

nope

@MagicOctopusUrn well no it's grammar = (WORD('A-Z'))

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino on that specific page you linked, it has the exact code you linked for mathematical equations.

Under "Full Circle: References and Recursion"

HyperNeutrino

o

Magic Octopus Urn

Does L("0") | L("1") | ... | L("9") work?

If that doesn't work... I know python may give false negatives without error messages when stuff isn't imported properly.

@HyperNeutrino wait! Does it match a single number?

HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn that works, it's what I'm doing now because ಠ_ಠ

@MagicOctopusUrn nope

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino WORD('0-9') won't match "4"?

HyperNeutrino

21:02

nope

Also REPEAT is behaving strangely

class Digit(Grammar):
	grammar = (L('0') | L('1') | L('2') | L('3') | L('4') | L('5') | L('6') | L('7') | L('8') | L('9'))

class DigitsList(Grammar):
	grammar = (REPEAT(Digit))

But DigitsList doesn't match anything

HyperNeutrino

21:15

WORD works when there's something before and after it

or rather just when there's something after it

I'm going back to using parsimonious

It's nicer to read and modgrammar doesn't have left-recursion anyway, so...

anyway gtg now o/

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem in the humblest voice possible sorry about that, won't happen again, I swear on the Great Goat God.

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DJMcMayhem

Wow that was fast

Shaggy

22:31

Does anyone know if there's a way to filter the sites that appear in my HNQ?

DJMcMayhem

I don't believe so

Maybe a userscript though

Shaggy

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@DJMcMayhem It's the app that's the problem; I'm sick to death of having to see the moronic questions from IPS on the homescreen every time I open it.

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Ahh! What happened to my subline text?!

Why does it look like it got flashbanged?!

Downgoat

@ATaco D: did someone change the theme to hotdog? :P

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LegionMammal978

Just curious, what does IUPAC mean when they ask if a molecule has a "definite stoichiometry?"

ATaco

Light Gray on White 10/10

Downgoat

@LegionMammal978 are you 100% sure it isn’t plural

LegionMammal978

23:17

@Downgoat What isn't plural?

Your use of "it" there is ambiguous

"It" could refer to my curiosity (not plural), IUPAC (they're referred to with plural pronouns), meaning (not plural), "they" (plural), asking (not plural), molecule (not plural, one specific instance), or a stoichiometry (not plural?)

Riker

@LegionMammal978 I think he means if a molecule has one or a molecule has multiple

i.e. a molecule has a definite stoichiometry, where it is possible for the molecule to have multiple definite stoichiometries

LegionMammal978

^ from the flowchart I was looking at

Downgoat

23:48

oh ok that makes more sense

LegionMammal978

It's literally just magnesium oxide, @Downgoat, which path should I take

ASCII-only

@LegionMammal978 books.google.com/…

basically definite = there's one formula for the compound

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