The Nineteenth Byte

HyperNeutrino

12:00 AM

I know no Brain-Flak but I'm almost certain that it is.

DJMcMayhem

@LegionMammal978 yep! It's exactly a peek because it's push(pop()), but push evaluates to it's argument

Downgoat

CMC: Shortest JSF factorial. allowing !+()[]

I mean can't be too long because don't need conditional

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat JSF?

ATaco

@LegionMammal978 JSFuck

HyperNeutrino

>

Hi, you must be looking at your console wondering what the heck this message means. It means you should be happy that this message is being logged otherwise something very wrong happened

This showed up in my console o_o

ATaco

12:02 AM

That's fired by the MasterChat script

HyperNeutrino

ah ok

I figured it was a TacoScript thing :P

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino that is printed when sandbox viewer establishes websocket connection idk why it is still there :P

HyperNeutrino

ah ok :P

ATaco

Oh, I'm mistaken, I thought it was a MasterChat message.

Downgoat

what is MasterChat

ATaco

12:05 AM

The JS that runs Chat.SE

HyperNeutrino

is it possible to make functions in JSF

ATaco

I've slowly been tearing it apart, I now understand most of how the EasterEggs works.

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino yes i think maybe actually idk

HyperNeutrino

o ok

Downgoat

you can have user directly input number

HyperNeutrino

12:06 AM

idk how to jsf lol

LegionMammal978

Weird, outside internet just went down for a few seconds for me while still allowing me to ping my router

Downgoat

[]["constructor"]( <input> )["fill"]()["reduce"]([]["map"]["constructor"]("a+b*c","a","b"),![]) something like that just figure out the strings

uh is confuz

?

how do you do string

12:10 AM

@Downgoat In Function, the arguments come first

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino (![]+[])[+!![]] to get a for example

HyperNeutrino

that is just weird

oh cuz "false"[1]

Downgoat

![] == false. +[] == "false". !![] => true. +true => 1

yeah

ATaco

CMC: Implement factorial in J5HIT

Downgoat

@ATaco is that @HyperNeutrino old account?

HyperNeutrino

12:15 AM

no

I think that's ais

yup

ATaco

What happened to their account?

Downgoat

D: what happened to his/her account?

HyperNeutrino

ais?

he left stackexchange

ATaco

D:

Downgoat

but why delete account O_o

HyperNeutrino

12:18 AM

Jun 30 at 18:15, by HyperNeutrino

But yes, ais523 asked to be deleted. He says he loves code-golf but hates SE itself, and doesn't want his hatred of SE to affect his love for code-golf. He thought that his love for code-golf would make SE more bearable but it didn't work out in the end.

Downgoat

is his dislike of SE a personal thing?

HyperNeutrino

yeah mostly

ATaco

That's fair, I can imagine some things that would sway someone from here, especially the potentially elitist reputation system. I personally love it here.

HyperNeutrino

Some people are motivated by reputation to golf, help others for Q+A sites, ask good questions, etc. Some people find it a hindrance or an overall flawed reward system, especially for a site like ours.

ATaco

I'm here to become the most recognizable user in all of PPCG! MWAHAHAHAHA!

HyperNeutrino

12:27 AM

I mean your userscripts have dominated much of TNB usage :P

As far as we know you could be keylogging our chatbox activity to see all of our typed but unsent messages

Stephen

OK, so error-correcting codes. I've read a fair bit about them - why does no one seem to address the fact that the checksum could be sent with an error? What happens if that is the case?

ATaco

I don't want to spend that kind of bandwidth :P

Downgoat

brb adding keylogger to design userscript :P

HyperNeutrino

plsno D:

Downgoat

onslp?

HyperNeutrino

12:28 AM

yes

Downgoat

anglais sil vous plaiti

ATaco

I plan to eventually petition on meta to have the tacoscripts added to the room description :D

Downgoat

0/10 would be anticompetitive practice to future chat userscript makers

HyperNeutrino

@Downgoat what's with the extra i at the end and the lack of the "circonflex"

(oh wait but that's optional now)

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino good question

ATaco

12:31 AM

@Downgoat Nothing more competitive than monopoly!

HyperNeutrino

Brain-Flak question: What does {...} do when the stack becomes empty?

monopoly = mono + poly = one + many = ?????????????

DJMcMayhem

@HyperNeutrino Then it ends up looking at an empty stack. Popping (or looking) at an empty stack will always give 0, so the loop breaks

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino one owns many/all i guess

HyperNeutrino

@DJMcMayhem o ok thanks!

And {...} doesn't pop, right?

DJMcMayhem

Correct, it does not pop

Downgoat

12:32 AM

@ATaco no discourages competition rather than encourages

DJMcMayhem

Just looks

HyperNeutrino

ah ok thanks!

Downgoat

Compiler Idea: LLVM to BF compiler

ATaco

If I manage to fully understand LLVM well enough to compile it to BF, than I'm immediently going to write a BYOND LLVM interpreter.

Downgoat

BYOND?

@ATaco LLVM is pretty simple it has like a total of 5 things it does

ATaco

12:37 AM

Probably not but close to the worst game engine.

HyperNeutrino

yaaaay I finished BrainFlex

You can create a Brain-Flak-esque language from any two objects that each have pop, push, peek, and size functions.

Downgoat

@ASCII-only do you have time to work on VSLtoday

HyperNeutrino

the top of a queue is its most recently pushed element, right?

Downgoat

a queue? it's the least recently pushed element

you're thinking of a stack

HyperNeutrino

oh so the top is always the next element to come out

wait of course it is facepalm

it's just pop() without removing ._.

ATaco

1:00 AM

♫♪limit.push(it)♪♫

HyperNeutrino

@DJMcMayhem Did you design Brain-Flueue as well?

DJMcMayhem

No, WW did

HyperNeutrino

ah ok

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HyperNeutrino

1:16 AM

@DJMcMayhem which flag makes brainflak do brainflueue

DJMcMayhem

Oh gosh

I don't remember

HyperNeutrino

rip

How do you use flags in brainflak (tio)?

DJMcMayhem

Just put them in command line arguments

HyperNeutrino

um where are those

oh wait just arguments lol

got it

it's -l brainflueue

ASCII-only

@Downgoat yes

HyperNeutrino

1:23 AM

yaay brainflex now has BrainFlak and BrainFlueue implemented successfully

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino BrainFlex?

HyperNeutrino

Brain-Flak-esque interpreter that works with any datatype that has a push, pop, peek, and size method

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino ... Queue has no push or pop

HyperNeutrino

well kinda it does

ASCII-only

And most don't have peek and size by default

HyperNeutrino

1:25 AM

push is like 0&insert

pop is pop

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino no...

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only I implemented the datatypes myself to have those

@ASCII-only then what's it called

ASCII-only

It has shift and unshift

HyperNeutrino

oh? huh

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino e.g. JS arrays

HyperNeutrino

1:26 AM

well those have push and pop

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino obviously? Those are only for stacks though...

HyperNeutrino

oh

well ok I should rephrase to say that it works for any datatype with insert, get, peek, and size

ATaco

Isn't peek just get(size()-1)?

HyperNeutrino

yeah

or just array[-1]

ATaco

So anything with insert,get and size

ASCII-only

1:30 AM

@HyperNeutrino 1. no remove? 2. please don't have explicit names

HyperNeutrino

what do you mean by an explicit name

I was considering writing remove rather than get

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino not all datatypes have insert :P

HyperNeutrino

o

ASCII-only

@Mayube pls

HyperNeutrino

well ok fine every datatype that has a way to add a value, a way to get a value, a way to look at a value, and a way to determine the size of it :P

ATaco

1:32 AM

What about removing values?

HyperNeutrino

(a way to get a value) I meant a way to get+remove an item

ATaco

Oh, then remove is a much better name.

ASCII-only

I'd say in, out, peek and __len__

ATaco

For example, lua has the function table.remove(table, index) which returns the value at index whilst removing it (shifting everything after it)

@ASCII-only Ew python :(

HyperNeutrino

in reality any object that has a function named push that accepts an integer, a function named pop that gives an integer, a function named peek that gives the same result as pop, and a function called size that gives a single integer will work with BrainFlex

ATaco

1:35 AM

Most importantly, anything that extends the Java interface List works.

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino 0/10 unfinished sentence

@ATaco Or any language's List/list type really

ATaco

Not all languages List implements remove

Pavel

I suppose some languages' List is more like an array?

ASCII-only

@Pavel Like?

ATaco

Not any that I can name off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's atleast one.

Pavel

1:38 AM

I don't know any but I'm guessing that's what ATaco meant

ATaco

Yeah, it is.

HyperNeutrino

what is the difference between a list and an array

ATaco

But you could theoretically make a BrainFleneric which takes an input List data in the constructor.

Pavel

Lists can be dynamically resized

ATaco

@HyperNeutrino Arrays are (Generally speaking) of constant size.

Pavel

1:40 AM

Including adding and removing elements

HyperNeutrino

oh ok

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

I am sorry about yesterday @mınxomaτ I was tired and not thinking.

HyperNeutrino

Who was the one that came up with BrainFlump?

ASCII-only

> Funky Computer Man

HyperNeutrino

Oh Mayube

ASCII-only

1:51 AM

@HyperNeutrino pls use the searchbar instead of spamming ty

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only sry

Yeah Flak -> DJ, Flueue -> WW, Flump -> Mayube, Flee -> Hyper

Question: How should a tree work for BrainFlee? Mostly I need to determine how to design in and out functions.

I'm thinking of just using a BinaryTree for simplicity and for in just satisfy the left-most incomplete node before moving to a new generation, but I'm not sure what to use for out yet.

Also Poll: What other datatypes should I add to BrainFlex?

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino DAG (Did you mean: BrainFlex)

HyperNeutrino

thanks

what is DAG

(sorry should've used search) but huh that looks interesting

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Helka Homba

Directed acyclic graph

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

1:59 AM

I hit 2k :D

HyperNeutrino

I'm not sure how to have an in and out function for that though...

Helka Homba

in and out?

HyperNeutrino

@Mr.Xcoder My rep difference with you has been fluctuating between about 120 and about 60 for a few days by now :P

@HelkaHomba yeah essentially I need a way to place a value into the datatype and then a way to obtain a value from it

It's for a thingy I made for generic Brain-Flak-esque languages with various datatypes

Currently implemented are Brain-Flak, Brain-Flueue, and Brain-Flump

Flak is FIFO (first in first out)

Flueue is FILO

Flump is FIAO (first in any out; dump; credit to Mayube for the idea)

Helka Homba

Needs 🐕 (FIDO)

HyperNeutrino

D?

ASCII-only

2:06 AM

> 🐐 (FIGO)

FTFY

HyperNeutrino

i iz confuz

Helka Homba

food in, goat out

HyperNeutrino

(cannot render emojis)

Helka Homba

Or I guess foal?

Just messing with you. FIDO = dog :P

HyperNeutrino

Oh I was assuming you were actually being serious and not making that joke but alright you got me there :P

Now what is FTFY

ASCII-only

2:08 AM

@HyperNeutrino fixed that for you (you should know this if you're on the internet that much >_>)

HyperNeutrino

k there are many abbreviations that idk :P

ASCII-only

Nostalgia time

Aug 3 '16 at 17:00, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Iff this message reaches thirty stars, I will make my name ASCII-only.

chat.stackexchange.com/…

HyperNeutrino

32 stars huh

ASCII-only

When 96.5/98 pages are pings to me

HyperNeutrino

I have apparently been pinged around 5.4k times

@ASCII-only Any ideas as to how I'd make in and out for a DAG?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

2:12 AM

@HyperNeutrino how did you find out how many times you have been pinged?

ASCII-only

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ by looking up your username?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Lol I just did that :P I noticed right after I asked

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino IDK >_> it's a graph so there's not exactly a defined point where it starts and ends

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only yeah I don't think DAG would work that well

@cairdcoinheringaahing naming conflict: we both have two very different languages called BrainFlump; yours is based on BrainF**k, mine is based on BrainFlak. RIP

I'll probably not get BrainFlump on TIO because Mayube's making Landfill which is based on the same idea (which Mayube thought of in the first place) and it's a pain to use for doing anything lol

Anonymous

Does anyone have any serious suggestions for good C++ IDEs? I've been using Code::Blocks but it's not quite what I want.

HyperNeutrino

2:25 AM

BrainFlex GitHub

@Mego TIO (:P)

ASCII-only

@Mego Sublime :P

VS Code/Atom/TextMate/Vim/Vi/Ace/Emacs may work too

ATaco

@Mego VSCode, definitely.

It's free, open source, lightweight, and lets you use MinGW

(And it's on Linux, Mac and Windows)

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Mego Visual Studio

Anonymous

@ASCII-only I've tried Sublime (as well as Atom), and I'm not a huge fan

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Not code because paid actually makes it an IDE. I use enterprise and it works really well

ASCII-only

2:28 AM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ which is 1. massive, 2. slow, 3. VC++

Anonymous

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I'm writing standards-compliant C++, so VC++ is not an option.

HyperNeutrino

0/10 sublime is not free software (technically :P)

Anonymous

I'll give VS Code a shot

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Mego Sheesh people can just use windows :P

I am supposed to be doing homework

Anonymous

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I will never voluntarily restrict any code I write to Windows (with the obvious exception of golf solutions)

ATaco

2:30 AM

I'm really not a fan of paying 70 dollars for what is essentially free anyway.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Mego Yeah I guess that makes sense. Use C# that way you are guilt free :P

Anonymous

I have VS, and I use it for C# development, but for C++ development it falls flat because of the VC++ issue.

Anonymous

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I'm just going to assume that you don't actually have serious suggestions

Pavel

Is the Visual Compiler really that bad?

HyperNeutrino

@ATaco yeah typically the only people who pay is like large corporations because they would rather pay than get involved in any legal issues or things like that or something like that according to my friend

ATaco

2:32 AM

I want to pay because it's a great program and I like supporting developers.

Anonymous

@Pavel Yes. VC++ has yet to fully support C++11.

Pavel

Ah. That is bad.

Anyway, CLion.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Mego Assuming I don't have serious suggestions is generally a good idea

ATaco

(I'm still using C++98 :P)

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

I actually didn't know that VS didn't support C++11

Pavel

2:33 AM

I actually use Rider for C# now, JetBrains have done good work on it over the past several months, it's very usable now.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

And as a student you get free Jetbrains

Pavel

30

Q: How to use GCC with Microsoft Visual Studio?

I am creating a very large project (a few thousand lines) and so would rather not use Notepad++. An IDE would make it so much easier. I have experience with Microsoft Visual Studio and love it. Is there some easy way to use Cygwin's GCC from within Microsoft Visual Studio? Alternately, are ther...

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Can anyone explain mathoverflow?

ATaco

I'd still recommend VS Code over VC

Pavel

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Math.SE on steroids. For people with at least a PhD

Anonymous

2:39 AM

@Pavel Just because I use VS doesn't mean I like it :P

Pavel

You should invest in Rider for C# then.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Pavel ahh. Who designed that eye (word meaning super offence/assault here)? Almost as bad as hotdog vim

Pavel

I don't know if it costs money yet, it might still be in essentially Open Beta

Anonymous

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Eyesore. Eyesore is a good word.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Mego That is much better then the word I was thinking of. Thanks

Pavel

2:41 AM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Mathematicians.

Stephen

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I think the weird thing about MathOverflow it that it was originally not part of the Stack Exchange network - that's why the design is so different, why the meta's weird, and why HNQs are not in MathOverflow

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Pavel with the quality of WW's profile pic he must be a mathematician :P (no offence and I mean he admitted to doing it badly and he did fix it)

@Stephen huh

Pavel

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ He is.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

It all makes sense

Pavel

iirc he's a math major in university.

Stephen

2:44 AM

> I am a student studying Mathematics at Rensselaer Polytechnic

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Have you seen the iphone X? it is just a screen with cameras and old tech introduced as "new

Pavel

He claims to not like programming, so I suspect he's just here for the quality discussion.

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Only 999.99

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Pavel I do not understand it at all

Pavel

1 thousand dollars

Also, rip home button.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

They removed more stuff twisted the camera on the back and jacked up the price

*and added wireless charging that has been out for years

Downgoat

2:50 AM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ why are you so surprised

apple is selling the apple watch for \$250 which once sold for \$399 already emphasizing their ridiculous markup

Pavel

My phone may not have wireless charging but it can get 8 hours of battery life for being plugged in for 15 minutes.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

What phone?

1+?

Pavel

\$200 Moto G+ 5

Downgoat

they probably spent like billion dollars in R&D for Touch ID and they just like ditched it lol

Anonymous

What is with the backslashes before the dollar signs?

Pavel

2:52 AM

@Mego MathJax tacoscripts

Downgoat

@Mego blame-atacos-mathquill. Everytime I type dollar sign it opens math mode

Pavel

Featuring such advanced features like hardware buttons, a fingerprint scanner, a headphone jack, incredible battery life, 4gb RAM, etc.

Anonymous

@ATaco Sounds like you should fix your scripts :P

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Pavel wow

Pavel

If you also install mathquill it will hide the \

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

2:53 AM

\$ lotta cash

Pavel

We don't see the slashes

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

What slashes?

Downgoat

@Pavel why do you need 4GB of RAM on a phone

Anonymous

Or I could not install mathquill and $ put random dollar signs everywhere $ to bother the people using it :P

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Pavel so advanced

Downgoat

2:53 AM

are you hosting wordpress on it? :P

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Mego you can go home now

Pavel

@Downgoat I don't, but I do like feeling superior to iPhone users

Anonymous

Besides, double-dollar-sign is a much better delimiter for inline mathjax

Pavel

I agree, @ATaco pls ^

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

$\text{sin(of)+you+not/caring = lotta dolla sign}$

Pavel

2:55 AM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Lots of phones have this "Turbo Charge" feature. iPhones don't seem to.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Pavel Is the charge speed over 9000?

amp/hours

Pavel

Given phone batteries are measured in milliamp hours, I don't think so.

Downgoat

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ you wouldn't use plurals for units in this case

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Downgoat Is goat english different this english?

Downgoat

my science teacher completely scrutinized my report because units were g mL^-1 which is apparently too complex syntax for science teacher

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

2:57 AM

@Downgoat fix ur name pls should be: ʇɐobuʍop

Downgoat

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ goat meme is ~~getting~~ old

Pavel

@Downgoat I don't think "Scrutinized" is the word you're looking for

Anonymous

Pluralizing unit ratios is usually done by pluralizing the numerator in the ratio (miles per hour, meters per second, etc).

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Downgoat You are getting old then. You = goat meme

Pavel

It just means "Looked at closely"

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

2:58 AM

@Mego oh that makes sense

Downgoat

@Pavel no it is right

Anonymous

So the plural of A/hr would be amps per hour

Downgoat

I 100% BS'd conclusion but got 100% on that

Pavel

@Downgoat It feels akward in that context

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@Mego Wait but amp/hours is the unit

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