The Nineteenth Byte

Leaky Nun

12:10

@EriktheOutgolfer how would you translate "outgolfer" into Greek

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun you won't I guess?

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer how do you translate out-?

Erik the Outgolfer

εξ- or εξω-

Step Hen

HNQ: A bunch of gravatars and me: link

Erik the Outgolfer

but "golfer" is translated as "παίκτης γκολφ"

Leaky Nun

12:14

@EriktheOutgolfer what is the difference?

Erik the Outgolfer

the first one is used in cases where the second one would cause hiatus

like, different vowels in a row aren't supposed to be often in greek

Leaky Nun

I wouldn't analyze outgolfer as out- + golfer

Erik the Outgolfer

outgolfer = out + golfer, you can't separate either of those words

and of course "outgolfer" isn't a real word :p

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer no, it's outgolf + -er

golfer means one who plays golf (the sports game)

outgolfer is one who outgolfs people, so it's outgolf + -er

Erik the Outgolfer

well "outgolf" is the problem

Step Hen

12:18

maybe don't transliterate it... extra-golfer, good-golfer, or something like that might be golfier :P

Erik the Outgolfer

"outgolfing" (noun) could be translated as "εξωγκολφάρισμα" or something...

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer one uses -άρω to make a verb out of a loanword

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun ninja'd

"to outgolf" (verb) could be translated as "να εξωγκολφάρω" like the noun

Leaky Nun

εξωγκολφαράς

εξω- γκολφ -αρ- -άς
out- golf [verb] -er

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun heh

informal to the maximum

Leaky Nun

12:20

@EriktheOutgolfer how would you say it formally?

Erik the Outgolfer

εξωγκολφαριτζής (heh at least it's a little bit better)

εξ- + γκολφάρω + -ιτζής
out- + golf (v) + -er

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer what is the suffix?

Erik the Outgolfer

ninja'd

Leaky Nun

oh, it's a suffix from Turkish, if that's what makes it formal

Erik the Outgolfer

lots of stuff are from turkish lol

Leaky Nun

12:22

how do you say Erik in Greek? I can't find an official translation

Greek people using non-Greek first name...

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun Έρικ

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer no -os?

Erik the Outgolfer

(see other SE profiles)

@LeakyNun nope

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer why not

Erik the Outgolfer

Ερρίκος doesn't comply to be my name

Leaky Nun

12:24

double rho?

Erik the Outgolfer

yes that's how it's spelled

Έρικ is a transliteration from scandinavian Erik

Leaky Nun

Έρικ εξωγκολφαριτζής with the epithet?

Erik the Outgolfer

Έρικ ο εξωγκολφατζής

Leaky Nun

do they use o in epithets?

Erik the Outgolfer

(forget about -αρ- in this case it doesn't really fit)

@LeakyNun btw they're what we call adjectives in english

Leaky Nun

12:26

@EriktheOutgolfer oh

Erik the Outgolfer

or nouns, for that matter

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer tell me more

Erik the Outgolfer

you don't really use the -αρ- infix in nouns usually

Leaky Nun

I see

Erik the Outgolfer

of course you can also use a transliteration

(kinda)

Έρικ ο Αουτγκόλφερ

or possible translations that could fit

Έρικ ο Διώκτης Παικτών Γκολφ

(Erik the Golfer Kick-out-er)

Leaky Nun

12:31

still figuring out how you would write down the sound /ai/ in Greek

apparently you don't

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun diaereses (i.e. umlauts) of course ;)

αϊ

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer any example words?

Erik the Outgolfer

the most misspelled imo

φαΐ

(i.e. food)

or ταΐζω

(I feed)

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer how is it misspelt?

Erik the Outgolfer

φαί

or might even be φαι as it's only one syllable

Leaky Nun

12:35

how do you write /nt/?

Erik the Outgolfer

you don't :p

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer Νοϋ, αϊ ντοϋντ ουωντ του.

does this pass?

Erik the Outgolfer

nope

Νοϋ sounds something like "noy"

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer :(

Erik the Outgolfer

and "ντοϋντ" sounds like "doynt"

Leaky Nun

12:38

@EriktheOutgolfer I thought upsilon has been fronted to "i" (iotization)

Erik the Outgolfer

it's a long sound

Leaky Nun

Νωοϋ, αϊ ντωοϋντ ουωντ του.

How is it?

if upsilon is the simple u, then what is the complicated u?

Erik the Outgolfer

Nauoee, ay dauoyd ouaud tou

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer then how should I write /ou/?

Erik the Outgolfer

οου

Leaky Nun

12:40

@EriktheOutgolfer hmm

it's all greek to me

Erik the Outgolfer

been there, done that (ancient greek especially)

basically it's all greek to many people who wanna learn greek

totallyhuman

...there's... too... many... undervoted 52-byters...

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer ancient greek is more regular to me :P

but rip polytonic

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman ??????

Leaky Nun

2 mins ago, by Leaky Nun

if upsilon is the simple u, then what is the complicated u?

Erik the Outgolfer

12:42

complicated in what sense?

like, yoo?

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer epsilon is epsilon because there is the long eta

e psilon

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only there's a 57-byter with 3 votes, another 57-byter with 2 votes and three 52-byters with exactly one vote

9

Q: Diagonal Alphabet To the Input

Inspired by this post. The Challenge Given an input between 1-26 inclusively, print the alphabet diagonally, but begin printing vertically at the index of the given input. Examples Given the input: 16 Your program should output: a b c d e f g h i ...

Leaky Nun

also, when you say upsilon in English, do you iotize the u?

i.e. do you say oopsilon or eepsilon?

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman Because a Charcoal bug accidentally made it golfier :P (jk it's only by one byte anyway)

Leaky Nun

@totallyhuman should definitely make a 26-byter

Erik the Outgolfer

12:43

@LeakyNun oopsilon, kinda

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer interesting

so it's a learned pronunciation

Erik the Outgolfer

but in greek it's ύψιλον

(like, well, eepsilon)

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer I know

Erik the Outgolfer

and in ancient greek it's ὕψιλον :p

Leaky Nun

rip polytonic

Erik the Outgolfer

12:45

then you'll hate ancient ancient greek with kinda different alphabet lol

(I hate that too :p)

Leaky Nun

ουελ, φακ θις

Erik the Outgolfer

you mean δις?

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer right, English.

totallyhuman

do we need "Το δέκατο ένατο byte" (blame google translate)

Leaky Nun

(Cantonese has no voiced fricatives/stops, so...)

Erik the Outgolfer

12:47

while in greek δισ- actually means "double recursive" or something

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer as in?

ASCII-only

> byte

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun δισέγγονο

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman Also how did you get 77 bytes for the Alan Walker challenge Bubblegum

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer in English words?

totallyhuman

12:48

@ASCII-only greek apparently has no word for bytes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun great grandchild

Leaky Nun

@totallyhuman μπάιτ

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only huh?

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer I mean, can you find dis- in English words borrowed from Ancient Greek

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun nope lol please no :p

totallyhuman

12:49

@ASCII-only oh, i told you, zopfli

that's what bubblegum uses

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun not sure

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman O_o how is it golfier than brotli

totallyhuman

actually i might be able to get a bit lower with more iterations

Erik the Outgolfer

another example would be δισεκατομμύριο (billion)

(even though it's actually supposed to mean trillion, i.e. million²)

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only iunno these compression thingies :P

Erik the Outgolfer

12:52

@LeakyNun

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman brotli is also by google, it's supposed to be zopfli but golfier because it doesn't comply to DEFLATE

Erik the Outgolfer

basically "δις" means "twice"

Leaky Nun

I see

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman How many iterations do you use

Erik the Outgolfer

but δυσ- means "bad"

like, δυστυχία (δυσ- + τύχη) (sadness, even though its parts mean "bad luck")

Leaky Nun

12:56

@EriktheOutgolfer ya, we have dys- in English

dystopia, dyslexic

Erik the Outgolfer

dysplasia, dyspepsia

dysentery...mainly for diseases as you can see though lol :p

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only i just got 76 bytes with 100000

ASCII-only

:| how long does that take

totallyhuman

no time at all

Erik the Outgolfer

but I think dis- is δυσ- but with the υ iotized

ASCII-only

12:59

@totallyhuman O_o but isn't 15 max recommended

totallyhuman

zopfli --deflate -i1000000 walker 0.02s user 0.02s system 40% cpu 0.099 total

using time

Erik the Outgolfer

@ASCII-only good luck with 15 iterations

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer nice

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah in greek δυσ- isn't only used for diseases

totallyhuman

just spam different magnitudes and usually you can get a bit shorter

@totallyhuman *1000000

agh counting zeroes

Erik the Outgolfer

13:01

e.g. not only words of the kind δυστοπία, δυσλεξία, δυσπλασία, δυσπεψία, δυσεντερία

there are others such as δυστυχία, δυσκολία, δυσφήμηση, δυστύχημα

δυσφορία, δυσαρέσκεια

or even adjectives such as δύστροπος, δυστυχής/δύστυχος/δυστυχισμένος, δύσκολος

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman What how does this work so quickly

@totallyhuman damnit can't get deflate in python

totallyhuman

i like how bubblegum separates the golflangs from the others

@ASCII-only mm i tried to do that too but i couldn't find anything

ASCII-only

13:19

on the plus side: charcoal can now golf JS/CSS/HTML/text really well now :P

@totallyhuman And how 3 of the top 4 are Charcoal and the other is SOGL? :P

totallyhuman

:P

ASCII-only

13:34

TIL Forth is Dennis thought-bubble language

totallyhuman

.oO(This thought bubble?)

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman .oO(Yes)

Step Hen

13:51

@EriktheOutgolfer didn't billion used to mean million million a long time ago?

so what we call billion now was thousand million

or milliard

Mr. Xcoder

@totallyhuman Like, brainfuck and /// are practical

Step Hen

@Mr.Xcoder no, they are "others"

totallyhuman

@Mr.Xcoder who said anything about practical? :P

Mr. Xcoder

Huh?

ASCII-only

@StepHen No, in the UK

Mr. Xcoder

13:52

:o

totallyhuman

> bubblegum separates the golflangs from the others

Step Hen

@ASCII-only but not anymore in the UK either? or do I have my facts messed up

ASCII-only

@StepHen No, they still use it IIRC

Mr. Xcoder

CMC: Given a String, remove the character on odd idexes.

Choose either 0 or 1 indexing

Step Hen

Can anyone suggest more builtins for me? Current builtins here: link

Mr. Xcoder

13:54

"abcdef" -> "ace" (0-indexed)

Step Hen

@Mr.Xcoder lambda s:s[::2] I think

Mr. Xcoder

@StepHen Sure, taking a look

@StepHen correct

Step Hen

or does that do evens

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder jelly 2 bytes m2

Step Hen

@Mr.Xcoder thanks

totallyhuman

13:54

,,,, 2 bytes: 2<built-in for step>

ASCII-only

@Mr.Xcoder Charcoal, 7 bytes: ✂Ｓ⁰±¹¦²

Mr. Xcoder

@StepHen You may choose 0/1 indexing

@StepHen Prefixes, Suffixes

@StepHen Deltas

Step Hen

@Mr.Xcoder I'll brb, just ping me with anything, and yeah I forgot about those, thanks :)

ASCII-only

Anyone want to do some esolang-specific golfing?

Mr. Xcoder

@StepHen 1/n, n+1, n-1, n*2, n/2 (might be good to have at least some of them).

totallyhuman

13:57

@ASCII-only ...that's why we're all here :P

Mr. Xcoder

@ASCII-only I do

Erik the Outgolfer

gaia 2 bytes 2%

ASCII-only

edited, are you sure? i'm trying to do a hello world catalogue and there are some I'm pretty sure can be golfed

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer %2 in Pyth :0

totallyhuman

...lol

Mr. Xcoder

13:58

@ASCII-only Well, I don't know many esolangs, but maybe I can help.

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman Not exactly what I'm doing, come and have a ~~edit~~ look

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only ~~you linked to my repo~~ i like turtles

Mr. Xcoder

@ASCII-only >_>

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman sorry edited

Mr. Xcoder

:O, what's that

ASCII-only

14:00

CMC: golf this:

linky

totallyhuman

aaaaaaa

ASCII-only

@Mr.Xcoder tio.run/#grass

totallyhuman

pls no onebox

Wheat Wizard

@ASCII-only Step one: remove those comments

ASCII-only

@WheatWizard Comments are for explanation only though :(

Wheat Wizard

14:02

But they take up bytes.

Mr. Xcoder

@ASCII-only BTW, you have spaces between print and Hello World in Python 1 and 2

ASCII-only

@Mr.Xcoder Yeah, those are the TIO ones, rule is: no bytecount = I'm not up to there yet

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only that's what i was going for... although now that you have TIO to help you...

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman Plus it's all on one page

totallyhuman

but hey commata's first, i'm happy

:P

Mr. Xcoder

14:05

@ASCII-only You can add Swift: print("Hello World")

o/

totallyhuman

no TIO though

ASCII-only

@Mr.Xcoder It's not on TIO

If you manage to get Fedora + somehow make GNUStep+Swift to work then feel free to message Dennis

New Main Posts

0

Q: Output all IPv6 addresses with random access

I quite like the list of all IPv6 addresses asked for in: Print out all IPv6 addresses But I don't have time to wait for that, I'd much rather have a random access version. Your task is to write a function or a program which given an index returns the character at the given offset. Input: A ze...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman ? oh wait ,,, is commata?

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only the first language on your list

ye

plural of comma

ASCII-only

14:11

but yeah if anyone feels like it pls golf the grass one, link to explanation page

Also anyone pls: make the Half-Broken Car in Heavy Traffic one print W not w

just mess with the length of the long parts on the right until it's the w that changes

betseg

do you remember the relevancy graph of the languages created by PPCG users?

i cant find it

ASCII-only

@betseg It's on meta

20

Q: What are the relationships between programming languages created by PPCG users

Prompted by this. We already know which languages were created by PPCG users. Clearly language authors are inspired by each other and by existing practical languages. What are these relationships? Looking for something like this.

discussion

muddyfish

14:30

@Mr.Xcoder the Pyke interpreter's moved back to pyke.catbus.co.uk and it should now support raw bytes

Mr. Xcoder

@muddyfish I wanted to enter it on port 5000 a couple of mins ago, and didn't work. Thanks for fixing it

muddyfish

I'll start trying on the prefixes/suffixes thing now

Mr. Xcoder

@muddyfish Can you help me with something? Why doesn't Pl2q work?

For checking if a number has exactly 2 prime factors

betseg

@ASCII-only ik but i couldnt find it

ty

muddyfish

because l also takes a single number for various string operations. I could probably make it ignore that in the case it's passed a non-string though

Mr. Xcoder

14:34

oh, ok

muddyfish

it's kind of annoying but I haven't changed it because it'll break a load of code now

Mr. Xcoder

@muddyfish Leave it like that, it's fine

New Main Posts

0

Q: Generate X random numbers provided that their sum remains 100

Task: Given an integer input between 1 to 500 take it as variable X. Code should generate X random numbers such that their sum is exactly equal to 100 E.g. Input: 10 Output: 14.7 , 13.2 , 11.11 , 8.4 , 7.4 , 12 , 8.4 , 5.4 , 6.4 , 12.99 This is code-golf so short...

code-golf random

Mr. Xcoder

Posted

Yay, finally have 5 answers on a challenge

Leaky Nun

Jul 15 at 4:12, by Leaky Nun

Mr. Xcoder

14:45

@LeakyNun I know, there was a whole discussion about your answers a while ago. We even invented a verb "to Leaky Nun (a challenge)"

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder heh, interesting

Erik the Outgolfer

and I was a synonym or something btw if I remember well...even though I only post around 2-3 answers usually

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer You were a synonym when you posted 7

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah that happens rarely lol...especially if a challenge is too trivial or something

ASCII-only

🤔 Why isn't Dennis a synonym for the winning answer

totallyhuman

14:47

i usually post only one ಠ_ಠ

Erik the Outgolfer

@ASCII-only dennis is dennis you can't dispute that

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder show me

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun Let me find it

ASCII-only

@Mr.Xcoder how is that related

Mr. Xcoder

You've edited

Erik the Outgolfer

14:48

yeah the one where leaky posted 15 answers

(and I needed >12 hours to overcome)

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun This is the beginning

Jul 15 at 12:19, by Erik the Outgolfer

oh no I think I need psychiatrist RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW I can't handle this anymore...I mean we know how fast leaky is but honestly 15 answers...that also requires fast internet connection (in the million dollar range)

I can't find the discussion about the verb.

Leaky Nun

everybody is mad at me for posting 15 answers

Mr. Xcoder

Yep, that's the discussion

Leaky Nun

Jul 15 at 12:24, by Erik the Outgolfer

I mean, 15 languages, in...less than 2 freakin' hours?

what, how long do you need

@EriktheOutgolfer

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun I quote myself: But, in the end, If you can answer a challenge in 15 different languages, why not?

Erik the Outgolfer

14:52

in my case I'd probably need >5 hours or something

ASCII-only

@EriktheOutgolfer Which challenge

Erik the Outgolfer

some pivot challenge iirc

ASCII-only

If it's pretty trivial it should be fairly doable sub-1 hour

Mr. Xcoder

7

Q: Where does the pivot belong?

You will be given a positive integer as input. The integer is the board of a seesaw. Th integer will not have leading zeroes. You may take this input however you like. Your task is to output the location of the pivot point of this seesaw, such that the board would balance. A board balances if...

code-golf number

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah that one

Mr. Xcoder

14:54

@ASCII-only Not trivial at all

Erik the Outgolfer

@ASCII-only it wasn't that trivial though...

ASCII-only

7 bytes in Jelly? I consider that pretty trivial :P

Mr. Xcoder

@ASCII-only It's not. Just read it

ASCII-only

72 bytes in C too

Mr. Xcoder

I counted again, he has exactly 15.

ASCII-only

14:55

@Mr.Xcoder Of course, but once you have an algorithm you just port it don't you

Erik the Outgolfer

@ASCII-only that's after reducing to physics formula and no that's not trivial at all

Leaky Nun

time from start (hh:mm)
1. 0:02
2. 0:19
3. 0:32
4. 0:40
5. 0:44
6. 1:06
7. 1:12
8. 1:18
9. 1:25
10. 1:35
11. 1:59
12. 2:11
13. 2:18
14. 2:22
15. 2:34

Mr. Xcoder

@ASCII-only You have to find the best form of the formula first

@LeakyNun :O

u r a god

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder all manually calculated

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun Hence the u r a god

Leaky Nun

14:57

@EriktheOutgolfer you're just porting the same formula

@Mr.Xcoder being able to subtract 2:08 from 15 times does not make me a god

ASCII-only

@Mr.Xcoder Sure, but once you do that you just pretty much port it

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun I'd still need more time for that

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun It does, since that was pretty fast. I said god as in extremely not lazy compared to me :/

Erik the Outgolfer

he supports the philosophy of getting out of your comfort zone too

Mr. Xcoder

^

ASCII-only

14:58

@EriktheOutgolfer :/ what why

<- so lazy he doesn't bother to do challenges at all

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only your arrow is pointing to nothing

muddyfish

@Mr.Xcoder added prefixes and suffixes builtins

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