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musicman523

22:00

I'm pretty sure apt-get has some commands that apt does not

But I honestly don't know

Zacharý

Hey, I need opinions: is relying on numpy a good idea?

musicman523

@Zacharý What do you mean by "relying on", and for what type of project?

Phoenix

DIFFERENCES TO APT-GET(8)
       The apt command is meant to be pleasant for end users and does not need to be backward compatible like apt-get(8). Therefore some options are different:

       ·   The option DPkgPM::Progress-Fancy is enabled.

       ·   The option APT::Color is enabled.

       ·   A new list command is available similar to dpkg --list.

       ·   The option upgrade has --with-new-pkgs enabled by default.

Zacharý

Golf-lang

Phoenix

Nope, it's just fancier

musicman523

22:01

@Phoenix Yeah I just read that too.

Zacharý

By "relying on" I mean using.

musicman523

@Zacharý numpy is a pretty stable package as far as Python packages go, I don't think you will foresee any problems using it. My question is: why?

What will you use it for that regular python doesn't cut it for? Or is it simply for a speed boost?

Zacharý

Determinants and Inverses for now.
The speed boost seems pretty good too.

Phoenix

apt-get can be used inside scripts as it has easier to parse output.

Mendeleev

@musicman523 no. there's pacman and that's it. pkgfile is like apt-file i guess

Zacharý

22:09

Screw it. I'm adding numpy to the dependency lists.

Phoenix

Saying pacman is less confusing because there's only one program for it is basically saying Ubuntu would be better off with just dpkg and not apt or apt-get.

musicman523

@Zacharý Another valid option is to reimplement everything you're using numpy for, and catch ImportErrors. That being said, don't do that :P just use numpy. anyone with python will have numpy

Zacharý

Okay. I'm going to implement the now 31 monads.

trichoplax

I have python but not numpy - python comes with some operating systems so there will be people who have only python

(personally I see no problem with needing numpy, just pointing it out)

Mendeleev

@Phoenix Not true - it's more like saying that Ubuntu would be better off if dpkg could do what apt-get does

Also, Arch packages are much much simpler

Try to make a Debian package, then look at this wiki page

Zacharý

22:20

I personally love sympy.

What does someone say when reporting a bug in Sympy: NOTICE ME SYMPY!

Is there a way to calculate the determinant using Numpy?

NVM, I got it

Phoenix

@Mendeleev I just went to the arch website and the first line of code listed was pacman -Syuw

Mendeleev

@Phoenix Download all updates, but don't install them

Phoenix

But to someone who's new to arch, that makes no sense at all.

Mendeleev

-S = sync, -y = update repos, -u = upgrade packages, -w = download only

just man pacman

There's also apt-pac

(and the reverse, pacapt)

Phoenix

21 mins ago, by Mendeleev

@musicman523 no. there's pacman and that's it. pkgfile is like apt-file i guess

So what is this apt-pac and pacapt?

Mendeleev

22:30

@Phoenix Scripts written by some people. apt-pac is for people used to apt-get and it translates apt syntax to pacman options. pacapt translates pacman style options to a lot of other package manager style options .

Phoenix

Though, if you have to rely on external scripts, that's not really a good case for it being less confusing.

I'm sure pacman performs better than apt, but there is no way you can say it's easier to use.

Mendeleev

@Phoenix Not relying. It's just a tool that some people use

@Phoenix I mostly meant creating packages

Phoenix

Ah, that makes sense

Making apt packages is a PITA

Wheat Wizard

Winning at programming competitions is a negative factor for being good on the job

►

Mendeleev

@Phoenix Seriously, please read this

Zacharý

22:39

@WheatWizard Hey, is that directed at PPCG challenges?

And how is this interpreter? bitbucket.org/zacharyjtaylor/my-language/src/…

Wheat Wizard

@Zacharý No not specifically but It is relevant

Zacharý

I'm assuming it's not directed at anything specific?

Downgoat

Question: to send a follow up email do you do "reply" and change the sender or like forward it to same recipients

Zacharý

23:01

chirp

trichoplax

23:21

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@Downgoat I think some email software/online providers will automatically change it to the right recipient if you press reply, rather than letting you accidentally email yourself. That would still need "reply all" for a group message though.

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I use forward if there are attachments so that recipients can see the attachments to the original email in the follow up and not need to hop between the two

Zacharý

@Mendeleev, whenever you get back, don't do stupid stuff like that, you will get kicked

trichoplax

I'm always happy to spend time discussing my reasons if someone asks without being confrontational

LegionMammal978

Whoops

Tried to mark this question as a possible duplicate of this question and let the community decide if it was actually a duplicate or not

But forgot I had a gold code-golf badge and dupe-hammered it

(Good thing I was able to reopen-hammer it)

totallyhuman

23:38

^ why I dislike the hammer

question: which one is better, fibtraction or subonacci?

LegionMammal978

(also, feel free to close-vote it yourself if you believe it to be a close enough dupe)

trichoplax

Even without a hammer, people should only be dupe voting if they are sure. Otherwise, just bring it to chat or meta

LegionMammal978

@totallyhuman Fibtraction sounds cooler, like a fibtractor beam

totallyhuman

trichoplax

I'd say the opposite for close as unclear though - then vote if at all uncertain to get it closed quickly. Maybe I'm talking myself out of what I said about dupe voting...

totallyhuman

23:54

Also, we reached 24660 starred messages!

LegionMammal978

Just have to wait for 0066600 = 66600 messages

Zacharý

Right about now, I'm dreading having to convert all of my functions into non-stack-based versions so Reduce and the like work on them... >.<

trichoplax

Can you write a function to do it for you?