The Nineteenth Byte

Okx

17:00

what does it do

trichoplax

@Christopher 5 minutes isn't an especially long delay...

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I MAY BE SLOW BUT I HAVE NO ENEMIES

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Adám

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A: Build me a city

APL (Dyalog), 37 bytes {⊃,/⍵↑⍨¨-⌈/≢¨⍵}'(.)\1*'⎕S{2/⍪⍵.Match} Try it online!

Erik the Outgolfer

@trichoplax yeah and then you think that I believe nmp can edit itself...*stars*

Adám

@KritixiLithos Maybe I should add the ability to post process result. Then it could be just:

(.)\1*
2/⍪⍵M
⊖⍵

trichoplax

17:12

@EriktheOutgolfer I just edit it down to one line so it doesn't take up space...

Erik the Outgolfer

or when I fed butter to newmetaposts...and Doorknob thought he'd conceal himself behind the bot

trichoplax

The edit history is public knowledge - there's no subterfuge here :P

Kritixi Lithos

@Adám that's definitely a good idea

musicman523

Have we had a challenge for pretty-printing a matrix yet?

If not I'd like to write one

Adám

@musicman523 Like how?

musicman523

17:24

@Adám Something like "Given a matrix of integers, print it so that all columns line up (number of digits in each number will matter)"

Adám

@musicman523 APL: ⊢ (no-op)

musicman523

@Adám Welp.

Adám

@musicman523 tryapl.org/?a=3%204%u2374%u237312&run

totallyhuman

wait

jelly doesn't have bitwise shift?

musicman523

@totallyhuman Why do you need it when you have multiplication and division?

totallyhuman

17:28

i mean... byte count?

Business Cat

It does. They are 2-byte operators

Because you hardly ever use it

totallyhuman

oh i was ctrl+f'ing 'bitwise'

Business Cat

æ« and æ»

totallyhuman

it's labeled 'bit shift' instead >_>

LegionMammal978

CMC: Find the longest full case name of any case in any U.S. court of law.

Adám

17:30

@LegionMammal978 Mathematica built-in?

LegionMammal978

@Adám No, actually find it, don't write a program to find it :p

(well, you could, but you'd need to tell me the output)

Mendeleev

@LegionMammal978 I Am The Beast Six Six Six of the Lord of Hosts in Edmond Frank MacGillivray Jr. Now. I Am The Beast Six Six Six of the Lord of Hosts IEFMJN. I Am The Beast Six Six Six of the Lord of Hosts. I Am The Beast Six Six Six of the Lord of Hosts OTLOHIEFMJN. I Am The Beast SSSOTLOHIEFMJN. I Am The Beast Six Six Six. Beast Six Six Six Lord v. Michigan State Police, et al.

LegionMammal978

@Mendeleev Source?

Mendeleev

@LegionMammal978 mentalfloss.com/article/59994/11-legal-cases-crazy-names

totallyhuman

hey anybody know a good unicode character for duplicate?

LegionMammal978

17:33

@Mendeleev One sec, trying to look up the relevant documents

Mendeleev

@LegionMammal978 thing

musicman523

what a name

Adám

@totallyhuman 🗇 🗊 🗍 🗐

totallyhuman

:o

Mendeleev

@totallyhuman ⎘

Business Cat

17:35

Those all look like boxes

totallyhuman

how have you found characters that are boxes on my chromebook

AJMansfield

hey I'm working on putting together test cases for a challenge involving floating points. Should I require submissions to handle edge cases like NaN and +/- Inf correctly?

totallyhuman

these things have support for liek everything

Business Cat

I just use a colon for duplicate

Mendeleev

@totallyhuman . → :

Adám

17:36

@Mendeleev That's copy as in copy-and-paste.

Business Cat

And semicolon is copy the second-from-top :)

Mendeleev

@Adám It's symbolic

totallyhuman

colon makes sense though

musicman523

@AJMansfield I'd say it depends on the challenge but if the challenge has more to do with "real numbers" in the mathematical sense than "the IEE754 representation for floating point numbers" then I would say don't test for NaN or Inf

AJMansfield

It's more to do with IEEE754 than real numbers

musicman523

17:38

Then I would test for NaN and Inf.

totallyhuman

and i finally use the peek feature of my stack

AJMansfield

This one: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12171/7981

totallyhuman

took forever to find a use for it

AJMansfield

It's just that requiring support for those is likely to actually make the challange significantly harder

LegionMammal978

@Mendeleev So I AM THE BEAST SIX SIX SIX OF THE LORD OF HOSTS IN EDMOND FRANK MACGILLIVRAY JR NOW. I AM THE BEAST SIX SIX SIX OF THE LORD OF HOSTS IEFMJN. I AM THE BEAST SIX SIX SIX OF THE LORD OF HOSTS. I AM THE BEAST SIX SIX SIX OTLOHIEFMJN. I AM THE BEAST SSSOTLOHIEFMJN. I AM THE BEAST SIX SIX SIX. BEAST SIX SIX SIX LORD, Plaintiff, v. Michigan State Police; City Police of Lansing; State of Michigan; Ingham County 54A District Court; and Ingham County Jail, Defendants?

(apologize for noise)

Mendeleev

17:38

@LegionMammal978 I guess...

totallyhuman

wth

ugh markdown

Mendeleev

@totallyhuman the man changed his name to "I AM THE BEAST SIX SIX SIX OF THE LORD OF HOSTS IN EDMOND FRANK MACGILLIVRAY JR NOW"

totallyhuman

i'm using the | character in a table and nothing i try can escape it

musicman523

@AJMansfield When you say "closest" in your challenge, do you mean closest by value or by Levenstein distance?

AJMansfield

Closest as in minimal abs(x-y)

Mendeleev

17:40

@totallyhuman \|

AJMansfield

(minimal by the totalOrder predicate)

totallyhuman

@Mendeleev i tried

musicman523

@AJMansfield Then I don't think you can test for NaN or Inf, since you can't subtract those?

LegionMammal978

Okay, so that's 461 characters. Anyone have a longer case name?

totallyhuman

unless atom's github markdown preview is borked, it doesn't work

which might be a likely case actually

checks

musicman523

17:41

Most things Atom-related are completely borked. Source: am Atom user

totallyhuman

:P

AJMansfield

@musicman523 Subtraction is still well-defined on those. iki.fi-jhi.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/infnan.html

Mendeleev

@musicman523 use vim

Okx

Join answers on PPCG would be cool, i.e an answer was 50% me and 50% someone else, and rep would be divided accordingly. Thought of this because people can golf down someone else's answer and get rewarded but idk

Stephen S

@Okx I think I heard somewhere that CW used to work like that and it turned out badly, not sure though

Okx

17:47

CW?

Stephen S

@Okx Community Wiki

Okx

ah

yeah it probably didn't work because that could be easily abused

Stephen S

Can someone take a look at this, or at least tell me they did? codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13115/65836

Okx

had a look, instantly closed. np

musicman523

@Mendeleev I do use vim but really only for short things, I prefer atom for larger projects

@AJMansfield How do you quantify the difference? For example, which is larger, 3 or NaN?

AJMansfield

17:53

NaN

The totalOrder predicate defined in the standard puts them in a very definite order

@musicman523 that order being -NaN < -Inf < -1 < -0 < +0 < +1 < +Inf < +NaN

(it also says how NaNs with different payloads are sorted, but the payload values themselves are implementation defined so can't be depended on)

Stephen S

@Okx Thanks :)

LegionMammal978

So is 0 by default +0, or -0, @AJMansfield?

totallyhuman

opinion time: should punctuation like ! . ? go before or after emoticons?

Business Cat

Before

AJMansfield

@LegionMammal978 it doesn't really matter since the implementation gets to pick its input representation, and abs(-0)=0 anyway

Stephen S

17:57

@totallyhuman Are they part of the sentence or an afterthought?

LegionMammal978

@AJMansfield So is -0 < +0 for actual comparison, or just for sorting?

AJMansfield

totalOrder(-0, +0) returns True

@LegionMammal978 so -0 < +0

LegionMammal978

What about totalOrder(+0, -0)?

AJMansfield

False

totalOrder is normally just used for sorting things, Its just convenient for this challenge since it gives a definite answer to every possible 'is a or b closer to x'

HyperNeutrino

ew this is bad. anyone have golfing tips? :)

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18:11

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Q: Are there N consecutive occurrences of a number in a row/column in a matrix?

Take a matrix A consisting positive integers, and a single positive integer N as input, and determine if there are N consecutive occurrences of the same number in any row or column in the matrix. You need only test horizontally and vertically. Test cases N = 1 A = 1 Result: True -------------...

HyperNeutrino

@Adám Doesn't quite work because the banner is not opaque.

Adám

@HyperNeutrino But you could add a background to the banner. There's always a solid color which matches a combo of partial opacity+below background.

HyperNeutrino

How? Put background-color into the .banner CSS block?

Adám

@HyperNeutrino yes, or just background: (for golfing)

HyperNeutrino

yeah no that doesn't work, because only the title gets the background for whatever reason

Adám

18:19

@HyperNeutrino and not what?

HyperNeutrino

the navbar

oh wait that's because navbar doesn't inherit

Adám

@HyperNeutrino of course no, it isn't a child. (why?)

HyperNeutrino

well the thing is the navbar is translucent, so text shows through from behind it

Adám

@HyperNeutrino again, it doesn't need to be.

HyperNeutrino

but even if I make it opaque, there are gaps

brb

@Adám

Adám

18:31

@HyperNeutrino just adjust the padding-top and padding-bottom

HyperNeutrino

oh

betseg

@HyperNeutrino chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/38400822#38400822

also <header>

totallyhuman

>_> why do so many languages have built-ins for "hello world"

<_< it's so lame

PhiNotPi

18:47

Complaint: what's the logic behind some languages using the syntax "val name : String =" instead of "String name ="?

HyperNeutrino

Because they want to be different.

@Adám How's this?

Adám

@HyperNeutrino Now we're talking!

HyperNeutrino

:D

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Q: Generate a US License Plate

Given one of the following: AK,AS,AZ,CA,CT,DC,FL,GA,IL,IN,IA,KS,KY,LA,MD,MI,MN,MS,NV,NH,NJ,NM,NY,NC,ND,MP,OH,OK,PA,PR,RI,SC,TN,TX,UT,VT,VA,WA,WI (with quotes) "AK","AS","AZ","CA","CT","DC","FL","GA","IL","IN","IA","KS","KY","LA","MD","MI","MN","MS","NV","NH","NJ","NM","NY","NC","ND","MP","OH"...

code-golf random generation

Stephen S

@HyperNeutrino Is the spacing around the title supposed to be different on the About Me page and the rest (aka which one are you going to go with)

@NewMainPosts you're not slow, you're just special

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18:53

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Q: Byte count for programs in visual languages

for code golf challenges, how would bytes be counted for visual programming/patcher languages like puredata? I thought maybe a system based on the language's saved file size for a patch, but that seems somewhat unfair as those files often contain metadata that isn't part of the program.

discussion code-golf scoring

Adám

@HyperNeutrino Now you just need to subdue that scrollbar. It is a bit involved.

HyperNeutrino

yes. how do i kill it

totallyhuman

with fire

Adám

@HyperNeutrino I don't remember offhand, but you should be able to figure it out from miserver.dyalog.com

HyperNeutrino

but there's a scrollbar on it

oh wait but not in the header

hm.

Adám

18:59

@HyperNeutrino exactly.

totallyhuman

i thought you abandoned anyfix

HyperNeutrino

I did

Stephen S

@totallyhuman He can still stick it on his resume though

totallyhuman

heh

hmm you could probably make the fact that the links are links clearer

i can english

idk how you'd go about doing it but just underlining it isn't enough imo

HyperNeutrino

@totallyhuman fixed

haha no but actually, what would you suggest?

also i will be back in like 15 minutes o/

totallyhuman

19:07

ಠ_ಠ/

AJMansfield

I've just spotted a loophole in a challenge I'm considering posting, but I'm not sure the best way to close it.

The challenge is here: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12171/7981

Zachary T

@PhiNotPi Probably just another way of reading it. : could be read as is a.

AJMansfield

Actually thinking about it I don't think it'd really be too much of a problem

It'd still be a very creative use if someone feels like exploting the loophole.

Zachary T

Hey, when you get back, @HyperNeutrino, isn't this challenge ( codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13102/55550 ) just lim_{x->infinity}(f(x)) with an additional test for divergence/oscillation?

HyperNeutrino

yes

it has definitely been 15 minutes

but yeah it's that

like if lim x -> infinity f(x) = <finite> it converges, lim x -> infinity f(x) = <infinite> it diverges, and lim x -> infinity f(x) = <undefined> is probably oscillating

AJMansfield

19:18

is there a magic link for Standard Loopholes?

HyperNeutrino

well hiding scrollbar still doesn't work

halp?

Okx

CMC: Check if a number is 'nude' (check if all of its digits are also divisors of the number)

HyperNeutrino

Examples?

Zachary T

So, basically, use Mathematica or Sympy or something?

HyperNeutrino

Or use Jelly

Zachary T

19:25

Why?

Okx

@HyperNeutrino 23 is not 'nude', it's not divisible by 3, 24 is (it has the divisors 2 and 4)

HyperNeutrino

Jelly, 4 bytes: DḍµȦ

@ZacharyT ^ that's why

Zachary T

I was talking about the challenge in the sandbox.

HyperNeutrino

oh

lol

Stephen S

Opinion-Fishing: Do (would) you use an Auto-Save feature in a text editor, or even an IDE?

Riley

19:31

@StephenS Auto-Save over the same file, or make a backup?

Okx

IntelliJ uses auto-save, and I love it

Stephen S

@Riley Over the same

HyperNeutrino

05AB1E, 7 bytes: DTв.ÀÑK.

Returns empty list if it is nude and all non-dividing digits if it isn't.

Okx

that's kind of cheating

truthy and falsy values pls

Zachary T

Depending on the language, those are truthy and falsy values.

Okx

19:34

they're not though

Stephen S

@Okx If empty list is falsey and non-empty list is truthy that's fine

Okx

but it's not

Zachary T

Falsey and Truthy depends on the language, right?

HyperNeutrino

I mean in 05AB1E that's not correct.

Zachary T

o_o

HyperNeutrino

19:36

idk how to do it otherwise though

because the 05ab1e docs are too hard to use

Okx

not for me though

i can use it fine

Adám

@HyperNeutrino .content{position:absolute;top:10em;overflow:auto;height:calc(100% - 10em)} body{overflow:hidden}

Riley

@StephenS Then it depend on the situation. If I'm using source control and could easily go back to a version that I didn't want saved over I might use it. Out of habit I hit Ctrl-S so often that it wouldn't make much of a difference for me though.

Adám

@HyperNeutrino and remove the .content{margin-top:10em}

Zachary T

Hey, @Adám, do I need the ¨ in ⍺/¨ here? codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/128699/55550

Adám

19:39

@ZacharyT No, you don't. ⍺ is a scalar, so there is no difference.

HyperNeutrino

position: absolute causes the navbar to die.

Adám

@HyperNeutrino That's because it has negative margin-top. Change to 7em.

HyperNeutrino

oh wait thx

ok so now it doesn't scroll

oh wait nvm im dumb

DJMcMayhem

@Okx MATL, 9 bytes: tV48-wZ\m

HyperNeutrino

works like a charm, thanks! :)

uh what's with this

@Adám It broke the Contact page.

Adám

19:44

@HyperNeutrino .content{width:100%} Also your .bio is set to 75% for some reason.

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HyperNeutrino

Right, thanks.

@Adám that is to add some extra space to the sides.

Adám

@HyperNeutrino For that you should add margin or padding or left: and right:

Stephen S

@Adám A friend of mine 3d printed the HTML5, CSS3, and JS logos for me

HyperNeutrino

ah ok

like padding-left: auto; padding-right: auto?

AJMansfield

Are there any changes I should make to this challenge before I post it? codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12171/7981

Stephen S

19:47

@HyperNeutrino padding-left: 2%; padding-right: 2%; or padding-left: 10px; padding-right: 10px;, depending on how you want it to show on narrow vs very wide screens, and increase/decrease as needed

HyperNeutrino

it's width: 75% with autopadding; I think that's what I did for the other thing.

Zachary T

Removing each doesn't work, I just realized ... wow.

Adám

@HyperNeutrino Where did your scrollbar go?

HyperNeutrino

good question

it still scrolls???

what is this???

...oh

the content is 100% wide

Zachary T

7{1∊∊⍷∘⍵¨(⊢,⍪¨)⍺/⍳⌈/∊⍵}6 6⍴3 2 3 4 2 1 4 1 4 2 4 2 4 2 3 3 4 1 1 1 2 2 3 4 3 2 3 1 3 1 1 1 2 2 3 4

is 1, @Adám.

HyperNeutrino

19:51

which pushes the scrollbar off the screen

Adám

@HyperNeutrino because you added padding with 100% width

HyperNeutrino

which would show with overflow-x

but that's hidden by body {}

is the scrollbar critical?

it looks ugly

i need a way to reskin the scrollbar / retheme it

Stephen S

@HyperNeutrino codepen.io/devstreak/pen/dMYgeO

Adám

@ZacharyT My bad, the right argument to . isn't a scalar.

Zachary T

Yeah, rolled back the edit.

HyperNeutrino

19:53

beautiful :D

Stephen S

@HyperNeutrino There are frameworks or css libraries or simple stuff like that out there for everything, modern (mainstream) coding is more finding what frameworks to combine and making them work together than actually doing any "hard" work yourself

Adám

@StephenS more fun to home brew.

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Stephen S

@Adám That is correct :)

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Q: Find the Closest Double Palindrome

Given a double-precision float, find the closest double-precision float whose binary representation is a palindrome. Input A floating point number x. You may use any format you like for input, but the format you chose must be able to represent every possible IEEE 754 binary64 value, including d...

code-golf palindrome bitwise floating-point

HyperNeutrino

welp it now borks everything

Adám

19:58

@HyperNeutrino looks ok to me

HyperNeutrino

that's because i haven't pushed yet

oh wait it's because i copied the CSS over

and the width, height, and background are specified for them

Adám

@HyperNeutrino I'd set .main-title{background-color: #202e35;}

HyperNeutrino

thanks.

but scrollbar is still borked must fix that too

Mr. Xcoder

I don't even have the patience to read it all ^.

musicman523

@AJMansfield Okay so what's greater: The difference between NaN and Inf, or the difference between Inf and the largest finite number you can represent with a double?

Jim

20:03

Does someone know how to quickly test if a list contains another in Pyth?

AJMansfield

@musicman523 NaN - Inf = NaN > Inf = Inf - <biggest non-infinite value>

Adám

@KritixiLithos Try it online!

Stephen S

@musicman523 The difference between Inf and the largest double is the same as the difference between Inf and the smallest (most negative) double, at least mathematically

HyperNeutrino

well now I broke the entire thing D:

Stephen S

@HyperNeutrino You're using inspect element, right? If someone looks broken just look at what CSS is being applied to it and where it's coming from

HyperNeutrino

20:10

(cc @Adám) This is what's happening: here. I've made the colors very weird so you can tell the different elements apart.

Stephen S

@HyperNeutrino Is your ".content" supposed to be nested inside your ".scrollbar"?

HyperNeutrino

Yes.

Adám

@HyperNeutrino Really? I don't like hacks like those custom scrollbars.

Mr. Xcoder

Who abuses stars?

HyperNeutrino

@Adám Do you know how else to do custom scrollbars the non-hacky way?

Adám

20:18

@HyperNeutrino No. I wouldn't do it. Likely to break and be problematic for access.

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino When you (repeatedly) said "bork", you reminded me of @AdmBorkBork... I haven't seen that user in a while :/

Adám

@Mr.Xcoder Which starred messages don't deserve it?

Mr. Xcoder

@Adám Actually, nor.

Stephen S

@HyperNeutrino Sometimes, accessibility > appearance

HyperNeutrino

Ah okay. Another idea is to just remove the scrollbar, though then people might not think to look further down

Adám

20:20

@HyperNeutrino Same issue. Not everyone has mouse scroll wheel or touch screen.

HyperNeutrino

OK, reverted back to using default scrollbar.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

What Tiles did I have? Everyone should be aware of the scoring system in a classic board game: Scrabble. I remember going back into my old scrabble box and finding some old post-it notes containing old scores. I always wonder what the heck was played for some of the more insane point scores. Tha...

HyperNeutrino

@Adám oh right, true...

Stephen S

@HyperNeutrino Some food for thought: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9325796

HyperNeutrino

Ah okay.

Still, at least it's better than this

Stephen S

20:24

@HyperNeutrino Why do the links on that site not make your mouse into the clickable mouse thing 0.o

HyperNeutrino

@StephenS because they're not links

they're buttons

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Q: Reindent Java/C/C++/etc. code

Write a program that adds or removes whitespace to format code nicely. Rules for what the code should look like when you're done: No line should contain more than one of { and }. A { should always be the last thing on a line. A } should always be the only thing on a line (besides whitespace tha...

code-golf

Stephen S

@Adám Was just checking my email - GMail uses custom scrollbars

Adám

@StephenS It does indeed.

@StephenS Gosh, that's a lot of nested divs.

Zachary T

Eh, could be worse: could be Lisp's parentheses.

LegionMammal978

20:39

I honestly don't get why nearly everyone wants to incorporate U.S. political references in completely unrelated fictional works

It's not going to make much sense 50 years from now

Stephen S

@LegionMammal978 Why do you think you study history in grade school

Magic Octopus Urn

To not repeat it?

LegionMammal978

@StephenS As in, a lot of the cultural references intuitively making sense

Magic Octopus Urn

Then enevitably do.

Sorry all I read was the last sentence.

Jim

Pyth, 12 bytes: .U&b}ZPQsM`Q
https://pyth.herokuapp.com/?code=.U%26b%7DZPQsM%60Q&input=33&debug=0
I'm so disappointed not to find an efficient way to test if `list1.contains(list2)` ><

Okx

20:42

D:

LegionMammal978

@Jim Is list1 a list of lists?

Jim

No, a list of integers

LegionMammal978

And Markdown doesn't work on multiline messages

Stephen S

CMC: Given inputs x, y, and z, output x + (y / z). The catch: You can't use a language that you have ever used before on PPCG, either on challenges or CMCs

LegionMammal978

So list1.contains_as_sublist(list2)?

Stephen S

20:44

Example: 1, 2, 3, output: 1.66666666667 or similar

Jim

@LegionMammal978 [1, 2, 3].contains([1, 2]) -> True

But [1, 2, 3].contains([1, 5]) -> False

Stephen S

@Jim so you want a containsAnyOf, not a contains

Anonymous

@Okx Actually, 10 bytes: ;$♂≈╔;(÷∩=

LegionMammal978

@StephenS More like containsAllOf

Jim

@StephenS No, that's a contains "all of"

Stephen S

20:46

Oh, thought there was already a contains and it didn't work the way you wanted it to, mb

Jim

I can transform lists to sets, and then test with subset, but that is sooooo long

@StephenS Sorry for being unclear

musicman523

@StephenS That doesn't answer my question. NaN - Inf < Inf - 1, is this statement true or false?

LegionMammal978

@StephenS 05AB1E, 5 bytes: ²³/¹+

DJMcMayhem

@StephenS 05AB1E, 2 bytes: /+

musicman523

get rekt

DJMcMayhem

20:48

Woah, ninja'd kinda

Stephen S

@musicman523 JS console says false

Jim

@StephenS Python, 20 bytes: lambda x,y,z:x+(y/z)

Stephen S

@musicman523 Or, it says NaN - Infinity = NaN, and NaN < Infinity = false

musicman523

@Jim you can drop the parentheses for two bytes

@StephenS Makes sense, thank you!

DJMcMayhem

@Jim you can get rid of parentheses because of operator precedence

musicman523

20:49

ninja'd B)

Jim

Oh that's right: 18 bytes: lambda x,y,z:x+y/z

Magic Octopus Urn

I love 05AB1E; there is always more than one answer O_O

LegionMammal978

@musicman523 Both the statement and its negation are false

Magic Octopus Urn

Same with Jelly, but... I don't get it.

Okx

@MagicOctopusUrn just add a lot of whitespace xD

Stephen S

20:50

@MagicOctopusUrn 05AB1E, 2 bytes: 42

musicman523

@LegionMammal978 of course they are

Magic Octopus Urn

I'm still wondering why "MagicOctopusUrn" is lighting up as my name.

Jim

@MagicOctopusUrn Do you mean you have more trouble learning Jelly than 05ab1e?

Magic Octopus Urn

Yeah the links are slightly confusing.

I've been trying to look at 05AB1E answers vs. Jelly answers, but none use the same strategy.

Stephen S

@MagicOctopusUrn afaik if you learn J they'll make more sense

Magic Octopus Urn

20:52

J?

I'll look into it.

I want Charcoal to be my next learn though, because I prefer competing in ASCII/Kolm

Jim

@MagicOctopusUrn I was thinking to learn Charcoal next too

Magic Octopus Urn

I'm amazed that Neil knows it so well!

Anonymous

@StephenS Prolog, 24 bytes: f(A,B,C,D):-D is(A+B)/C.

Magic Octopus Urn

I thought he was the creator for awhile.

Jim

My Pyth can still sometimes compete with Jelly and 05ab1e

But not Charcoal

Stephen S

20:53

@MagicOctopusUrn Jelly's Github says Jelly was inspired by it; Wikipedia says it's like a functional version of APL but with ASCII

Magic Octopus Urn

I don't get APL either.

Anonymous

Oh I misread

Magic Octopus Urn

I get adam's answers, but ask me to extend it and I break down due to unknown syntax.

Oh god don't link adam.

Anonymous

23: f(A,B,C,D):-D is A+B/C.

Magic Octopus Urn

He's the only one who I really enjoy reading APL answers for.

Don't wanna embaress my little knowledge of APL with his godliness xD.

All them answers with pointy arrows just kill challenges.

(sometimes)

Stephen S

20:55

My highest voted challenge, destroyed with an arrow and a builtin list: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/125119/65836

Magic Octopus Urn

Yeah, it's an oddly contextual langauge with some built-ins that leave you like... Wait, why?

Adám

@MagicOctopusUrn Ho ho ho! It isn't hard to learn though. I could teach you the basic syntax in 15 minutes.

Magic Octopus Urn

Ahhh! Too late, the master was summoned.

DJMcMayhem

@MagicOctopusUrn V? :P

Okx

@Adám Is there a good tutorial/wiki for APL?

Magic Octopus Urn

20:58

I always read the answers you post on APL, it seems interesting;.

Stephen S

@MagicOctopusUrn I didn't do it

Magic Octopus Urn

But I also wonder what @okx asked, the only reason I picked up 05AB1E so fast was: github.com/Adriandmen/05AB1E/blob/master/docs/info.txt

musicman523

@StephenS Haskell, 13 bytes: f x y z=x+y/z how do I get this to compile on TIO?

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A lean, mean bean machine A classic example to introduce people to the concept of a discrete probability distribution is the bean machine. This machine has a large amount of marbles fall from a narrow passageway at the top, after which they hit rows of interlaced pins, where at each pin the marb...

Stephen S

@musicman523 Dunno Haskell, sorry

Magic Octopus Urn

20:59

Like if you have something explaining each command, that I can ctrl+F to find the needed char...

Half 05AB1E programming is just using CTRL+F on that page.

Adám

@Okx Lots of good APL resources.

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