The Nineteenth Byte

Mendeleev

01:00

Maybe cache

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám can I teach you Add++ in return?

Mendeleev

Also @Downgoat DO NOT get i5 unless you want to build a hackintosh

Get Ryzen 5

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Sure. I'll need it. The readme seems a bit… concise.

Downgoat

@Mendeleev I want to hackintosh.

Mendeleev

then get i5

caird coinheringaahing

01:01

@Adám haven't finished updating it yet

Downgoat

Though pretty sure even if I do most expensive part will still be $1000 less than apple

Phoenix

@Downgoat Prolly around .2 ghz. Save 100$.

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing OK. Maybe it'll have to wait too. I think I should go to bed.

Phoenix

Intel likes to do that a lot.

Mendeleev

Th4ey finally have some real competition now

caird coinheringaahing

01:02

@Adám its 2am here. I hear that

Downgoat

@Phoenix actually only $40, is worth it?

Phoenix

@Downgoat Yes

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Same here. G'nite.

Phoenix

That's actually the one I have.

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám g'nite

Mendeleev

01:03

gn adam

Downgoat

Does it matter what motherboard I order?

Mendeleev

yes

chipset

look at reviews too

Downgoat

Ok brb buying most popular

Mendeleev

look at hackitosh compatibility lists

dont do that

you might also need a 6xxx cpu

Phoenix

@Downgoat pick mobo last, it matters less than everything else and pcpartpicker will manage compatibility for you.

Mendeleev

01:05

Not true

For hacintosh it matters a lot

Look up hackintosh build guides with those mobos

And find the one that is easiest and most functional

Usually Gigabyte boards are recommended

Conor O'Brien

final suggestions?

Downgoat

@Mendeleev ok I found gigabyte-170X is that good

Mendeleev

Look up a hackintosh guide for that

Downgoat

Yeah saw in hackintosh guide

Mendeleev

then maybe

oi @totallyhuman can you stop tu\yping please thank

Phoenix

01:15

Even if you can't get mac to work on it, worst case you put Windows and get a reasonably ok gaming PC that can do over watch or anything older.

Mendeleev

@Phoenix Linux

Downgoat

Is intel 7th "extereme edition" the same as normal intel i7-7k?

Mendeleev

no

diff socker

Downgoat

I can't find any Thunderbolt computable mobos that do intel 7k :(

Mendeleev

and don't get an i9 ffs

Downgoat

01:17

@Mendeleev sorry meant i5-7500

Mendeleev

@Downgoat Well, they're all computable, they have processors :)

Phoenix

@Downgoat it it has k in the name you're paying at least 75 dollars for overclocking capabilit and basically nothing else

ASCII-only

@Phoenix IIRC though you can have two computers with OS X for every Mac you have

@Downgoat pls slack

Phoenix

I think you heard wrong

Or it's outdated

Nelson Casanova

anyone into sql?

Downgoat

01:19

@Mendeleev what else should I look for in motherboard beside CPU compatibility and havin IO ports that I like

Phoenix

Memory compatibility

Mendeleev

@Downgoat CHIPSET

ram

Phoenix

It you want DDR4 mobo must support

Downgoat

Ok, anything else?

Phoenix

LEDs

Mendeleev

01:21

R G B

R G B O V E R L O A D

Conor O'Brien

@HyperNeutrino It might've been easier to tell me the problem >_<

Phoenix

In all seriousness not really

Mendeleev

color

Phoenix

Doesn't matter if case doesn't have window

user165474

@ConorO'Brien ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ lol sorry :P but not really

Mendeleev

01:22

@Phoenix yeah it does

hey downgoat

Conor O'Brien

then don't apologize >>_<<

Mendeleev

get nzxt h440

user165474

:P ok

Downgoat

Question: what is EEC besides European economics council

Phoenix

Error correcting

Mendeleev

01:23

EEK

WWWW

Phoenix

Only needed if building super reliable server

user165474

:o Minecraft 1.12 comes out tomorrow

Mendeleev

wot

Downgoat

@Mendeleev oh that looks cool

user165474

@Downgoat acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/EEC

Downgoat

01:25

Question: is AMD graphic card or Nvidia graphic card better

Mendeleev

choose one

user165474

from random import*;print(['AMD','Nvidia'][random()>.5]+' graphics card')

Mendeleev

puts ['Nvidia', 'AMD'].sample

Downgoat

@Mendeleev Nvidia look cooler

user165474

from random import*;print(sample(['AMD','Nvidia'],1)+' graphics card')

Mendeleev

01:29

puts ['Nvidia', 'AMD'].sample+' graphics card'

Phoenix

@Downgoat amd more cost effective

Mendeleev

$><<%w(Nvidia AMD).sample+' graphics card'

Downgoat

@Mendeleev why h440 and not S340

Mendeleev

@Downgoat choose obne

Downgoat

@Mendeleev question: what is difference between atx and micro-atx google says former is bigger but does it matter

Mendeleev

01:32

yes

Downgoat

like can certain graphics card not go on micro-atx or osmething

Mendeleev

motherboard form factor has to be equal or smaller than your case form factor

that too

Downgoat

does "ONBOARD USB3.0 HEADERS" = USB3 port?

Phoenix

It means front panel 3.0 ports on case will work

Downgoat

> Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor does not include a stock CPU cooler. Adding a CPU Cooler to your part list is recommended.

do i need CPU cooler for this CPU or will case fan work

Phoenix

01:39

It has k in the name, which means you're paying extra for overclocking.

Try downgrade to non-k

In general case CPU needs cooler yes

Downgoat

@Phoenix oooh

Phoenix

Non-k CPUs come with cooler though

Downgoat

@Phoenix ok changed CPU so it doesn't say needs cooler but should i stil do case fan?

._. wait what is difference between case fan & CPU cooler

Phoenix

No, case comes with fans

CPU cooler goes on CPU case fan goes on case

Obviously

Downgoat

>_>

Question: have any of you use "Asus MAXIMUS" before?

Phoenix

01:44

What's that?

Downgoat

A mobo

It's $265 though, not sure if too expensive

Phoenix

Too expensive

Downgoat

is $190 good price?

Phoenix

Not really, but if that's what you're limited to, it isn't the worst and at least it will have neat features.

I think I paid 100$

Downgoat

Quetion: is it good idea to get mobo with PCI-E

ASCII-only

01:51

@Downgoat If you have a SSD :P

Downgoat

yea, probably going to get SSD

ASCII-only

Then yes if you think the extra speed is worth the extra price

Downgoat

O_O Apple charge +$600 extra for 1TB SSD but only cost $380 on

@ASCII-only do you know how wide the PCI-E thing has to be

Phoenix

More importantly, PCI-E makes video card work

Downgoat

@Phoenix can't I use SATA

Phoenix

01:54

You can use it for storage

SATA is how hard drives connect

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman Why are you typing :P

Phoenix

@Downgoat hybrid drive is third the price of ssd and almost as good

Downgoat

@Phoenix oh duh >_< do you know if it needs to be PCI-8, 16, etc.?

@Phoenix I need reliability too

though brb checkout out

Phoenix

SSD is less reliable

Hybrid has a hard drive and ssd, most commonly accessed data cached in ssd.

ASCII-only

@Phoenix O_o really? why

Phoenix

01:57

SSDs wear out faster, but actually that wasn't really correct

With hybrid drive get ssd boot speed, even though regular files read from hard drive.

Downgoat

@Phoenix I mean that depends on overwrite cycles

Phoenix

Costs far less

Downgoat

._. wow 6x less price

Phoenix

Lasts longer because most writing done to hdd, most reading to ssd.

Downgoat

do you use a hybrid?

Phoenix

02:01

I had ssds already lying around

ETHproductions

I Am Typing has been fixed I presume, since no-one's making a big deal out of it anymore?

Phoenix

Yes

ETHproductions

Good, turning back on

Phoenix

@Downgoat try to get case with built in psu

ASCII-only

@Downgoat Pls go on vsl slack tyvm

Phoenix

02:17

Idk if this is still up to date, but desktop macs thermal throttle due to insufficient cooling.

Downgoat

@Phoenix oh yeah, they do that on laptop too

it's really bad

you can go from 60fps to like 14

Quetion: is 32GB ram a good idea or is 16GB enough

ASCII-only

@Downgoat 16GB is enough IMO

Downgoat

I get actually maybe get a 2x8GB and add another one later

Phoenix

Honestly 8gb is enough.

But 16 is good

32 is over kill

ASCII-only

@Downgoat :| Did you /mute me or something why are you not on slack

Downgoat

02:22

Should I just get cheapest DDR4-2133 ram with lowest CAS

I don't see any other important factor >_>

Phoenix

Yes

Downgoat

@ASCII-only i am on slack

ASCII-only

@Downgoat O_o maybe i need to refresh

Phoenix

Make sure mobo supports ddr4

Downgoat

oh shit forgot about video card

ASCII-only

02:25

@Downgoat weird says you're not on slack (halp)

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Downgoat

Quetion: any recomend Nvidia graphic card?

@ASCII-only shit joining

Phoenix

Gtx 1050 is good budget card. 1060 will last longer.

By last I mean stay non shit

Downgoat

@Phoenix what about Titan/1080?

Phoenix

Or you could get most expensive and powerful video card, that is an option, yes.

Nathan Merrill

02:27

anybody who knows batch around here?

Phoenix

Not worth unless gaming

Downgoat

@Phoenix do you know what quadro is

Nathan Merrill

I've got a file that restarts/starts a bunch of services for me. (It calls taskkill, then START on various executables)

it works great

Phoenix

Yes, it just has more vram

Downgoat

@Phoenix well only reason not gaming atm is because computer cannot run minecraft at 60 FPS :P

Nathan Merrill

02:29

however, I have another batch file that calls the same taskkill, and it gets an access denied

Downgoat

@Phoenix what about 1080ti vs normal 1080?

Phoenix

Far better deal, the ti is.

Downgoat

@Mendeleev relevant to you: youtube.com/watch?v=s5kQnW8Geys

Phoenix

But it's a bit stupid to buy an over powered gpu and put not Windows on it.

Downgoat

I am buying like 2TB hybrid so I will likely dual boot

Phoenix

02:33

It will run Minecraft at 600 fps

Downgoat

:O

Phoenix

Get a 1080 ti it you want to play the new far cry on ultra or something

Mendeleev

@Downgoat hehehe

@Downgoat Don't

@Phoenix Linux

@Phoenix Phoenix = Yoda confirmed

@Downgoat Just get a ssd and hdd

Phoenix

Linux doesn't play games

Downgoat

@Mendeleev i read article which said bad idea

@Mendeleev ono why?

ASCII-only

02:38

@Phoenix Wine

Mendeleev

@Downgoat Why?

I have two hdd and a ssd

Phoenix

Wine doesn't run anything you'd want a 1080ti for

Mendeleev

@Phoenix Wine and VFIO and dual boot and Linux games

Downgoat

@Mendeleev Because you don't have caching. If I install lets say app it won't go to best place to go, it will stay on HDD

Phoenix

We are talking about dual boot

Mendeleev

02:39

@Downgoat Not true

If you put root on ssd, then you will get to HDD

Put home on HDD*

Downgoat

sound like bad idea

Phoenix

No reason tho

Mendeleev

and then with ext2fsd, use it as a storage drive in Windows.

Why? I do it

Phoenix

Not cheaper and harder to configure

Mendeleev

no

hybrid drive has like 8GB of caching

Downgoat

02:40

actually might be a better idea because redundancy :|

Mendeleev

If you put on ssd, you will get your whole OS and all yoour apps on there

Downgoat

@Mendeleev wait wat

(pun not intended)

Mendeleev

yep

Phoenix

8gb is enough for OS and some really common apps

You don't really need more than that

A 2tb hybrid has more than 8gb

Mendeleev

Why not just get a separate SSD?

Hybrids are not really recommended

Phoenix

02:44

/shrug

Do whatever doesn't matter too much which one

Mendeleev

Right...

Downgoat

@Mendeleev cheaper

Mendeleev

@Downgoat true...

Phoenix

You can cache hdd in ssd using a special software, anyway.

Downgoat

that said... I was about to buy an iMac so I'm not one to talk about cheap :P

Mendeleev

02:45

ssd is like $60... Hybrod drive 2TB is about 120 AFAIK... 2TB HDD is like $60

so you would end up the same basically afaik

Phoenix

Or get 4tb ssd, and still have saved money over iMac

4

Downgoat

Question: is the 1070 worth shelling out another $250ish dollars for?

Mendeleev

pcpartpicker.com/list/Z63pYr

@Downgoat Yes... kinda, not in your case

Phoenix

Again, depends on if you're going to use it as a gaming PC.

Mendeleev

if you only play tf2

Btw what's your Steam username?

Phoenix

02:49

Then no

Downgoat

@Mendeleev ._. why is slower hard disk more expensive

@Mendeleev i think downgoat

Mendeleev

@Downgoat It's hybrid

wait quick question
how old are you @Downgoat

Downgoat

hm, is there way to seamlessly share filesystem over the two drives?

Mendeleev

kinda

in linux everything is a single file tree

Downgoat

@Mendeleev 74 in goat years

Mendeleev

02:52

same as mac

easycalculation.com/other/fun/Goat-years-to-Human-years.html

...aight thanks

Apparently I can convert to "Ass years"

ETHproductions

> One Goat is equal to [...] Sheep: 1

3

So goats and sheep are equal?

Mendeleev

Maybe I should become Updonkey

anyone object?

Downgoat

so if I call you an ass I can't get flagged? sure :P

ASCII-only

@Mendeleev Yes please don't plagiarize

ETHproductions

I say you probably shouldn't change your name again, but then again what do I know about changing names :P

Mendeleev

02:57

Yeah I just remembered I promised to not change my username until 2018

Downgoat

@ETHproductions btw there is a .productions tld so you should totally register eth.productions before gets ninja'd

ETHproductions

O.O

Downgoat

:O is available

ETHproductions

43 bucks a year though, that's a little expensive compared to a generic .com

Mendeleev

42.90/year

You should get it

before I do :P

ETHproductions

02:59

Let's see, that works up to... $3.56 a month I think. I could probably do that

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