The Nineteenth Byte

Anonymous

10:00 AM

The number of times I saw if condition == true...

Anonymous

(actually it was If condition = True because it was mostly VB.NET, but still)

Destructible Lemon

@Mego for a minute there I thought you were replying to my code ;_; but you weren't (this time ;u;)

Anonymous

When my boss insisted that it make the code cleaner and clearer to explicitly compare a boolean condition to true or false, I updated my resume.

Destructible Lemon

@Mego not that bad

but to be honest it's not so great to me because True == 1 in my native programming tongue

also fairly sure [some list] or "some string" have different results

depending on the condition name, it might be more ok than other kinds

Anonymous

@DestructibleLemon It's not the code that was bad, but the logic behind it. The only people it could make the code clearer to didn't have a solid grasp of if-statements and conditionals. If there were people working there who didn't grok if-statements, it was time to leave.

Anonymous

10:03 AM

If list.Count < 5 == True

5

Destructible Lemon

ok that doesn't really make sense

Kritixi Lithos

@Mego uggh... I see what you mean

Destructible Lemon

at least it isn't if condition == true: return true

Anonymous

@DestructibleLemon Plenty of that too

Destructible Lemon

how about if condition?true:false == true: return true

Anonymous

10:06 AM

There was also this one guy who wrote the worst code I have ever seen, who stopped working there before I was hired. He never wrote a single useful comment. Half of his code didn't work. He left commented-out code in every file he touched. Generics were apparently completely foreign to him. The only things he knew how to write were god objects/functions, so cohesion was also a foreign concept.

Anonymous

My wife (then girlfriend) would get daily rants from me about how he should not be allowed within 10 feet of a keyboard ever again.

Destructible Lemon

generics are completely foreign to me

explain pls

Anonymous

@DestructibleLemon I'll explain it in Java terms because VB.NET is terrible

Destructible Lemon

well, I don't know java great...

s/great//

Anonymous

A generic class is a class that has at least one type parameter, a la ArrayList<T>. When you instantiate an object of that class, you specify the type(s) for the parameter(s) (ArrayList<String> foo = new ArrayList<String>()). The class can work with (theoretically) any type, but it has to know what type it is working with.

Anonymous

10:09 AM

C++ templates work similarly if you're more familiar with C++

Destructible Lemon

ArrayList<T> is what

Anonymous

The generic class

Anonymous

The T is the type parameter to be filled in

Destructible Lemon

ok. I don't see the issue with not using them?

Anonymous

They exist for a reason - in statically-strongly-typed languages, you have to know the types of stuff at compile time. You can't just have a List type that can accept any objects (unless you cast those objects to some universal superclass like Object, but then you lose type information).

Destructible Lemon

10:12 AM

hmmm kay. but I guess I just don't understand statically typed languages yet

Anonymous

So, you have a List<T> generic class, and you write the class so that it can work with any type (but only one type).

feersum

You can have a List type that accepts any Objects, in fact that was the only choice before Java 5 or 6.

Anonymous

@feersum Yep, and really type erasure is performed after the static type checking by the generic, but those implementation details weren't really relevant to the explanation

feersum

But you don't want to have a List accepting any objects.

That's the point of Java generics.

Destructible Lemon

wait a minute, I can't use this font with my program!

Anonymous

10:15 AM

@DestructibleLemon A statically-typed language is a language where types are checked at compile time. Take C, for example. You can do int a = 5; (because 5 is an int), but you can't do int a = 3.6; (because 3.6 is a float, not an int).

Arjun

What should be a good precision for Float outputs?

Anonymous

If you have type mismatches anywhere, the compiler complains before the code is even run

Anonymous

@Arjun In what context?

Arjun

@Mego In context of PPCG challenges. I need help with this one.

I have posted in that challenge that precision is required up to 10 decimal places.

Is that too high/ low?

feersum

Up to? That implies 1 is okay.

Anonymous

10:18 AM

@Arjun I agree with Level - 5 significant figures would be a much better requirement

feersum

Please use relative errors instead.

Anonymous

@DestructibleLemon Python is an example of a dynamically-typed language. Types aren't checked at compile time - they're checked at runtime. If you're expecting a string and you get an int, you don't get the error until you try to run the code. This makes it easier to write code, but harder to verify that the code is correct. In fact, Python takes it a step further by employing duck typing - the types aren't nearly as important as the operations they support.

feersum

i.e. | (output - real answer) / real answer | < epsilon

Anonymous

@feersum Relative errors are better for large values, but completely fail for values close to zero.

feersum

@Mego I'm taking the specific challenge into account when not providing a second conidtion for that.

In general yes, you need a second condition for near-zero values.

But the challenge is a strictly increasing sequence.

Destructible Lemon

10:20 AM

the |s are all slashy in my font

this will not do for my ascii art

Anonymous

@feersum That's fair. I didn't thoroughly read the challenge.

Destructible Lemon

> required up to

I think that it is kind of ambiguous though

Arjun

@Mego Mego, Edited. Better now?

I hope that won't invalidate any answer, will it?

Destructible Lemon

hmmm. I just realised I should probably make bots classes

rather than functions

I'm making it so the bots return their turn, and an object that represents their memory for a game

how do class variables work again?

brb figuring out

Jan Dvorak

CMC: generate a random permutation of 1 A, 7 Y's, 8 B's and 9 R's, with uniform distribution.

Kritixi Lithos

10:33 AM

that's random

Destructible Lemon

at least this way I don't have to worry about class variables

Kritixi Lithos

why those letters in particular?

Jan Dvorak

Codenames

For playing the game Codenames. New players, see puzzling.meta...

A stands for blAck

Anonymous

@JanDvorak Actually, 17 bytes: 'A'Y7*'B8*'R9*kΣ╚

Jan Dvorak

nice

Kritixi Lithos

10:43 AM

@Mego Can you arrange that in a 5 by 5 grid?

Anonymous

16 now: 1789k"AYBR"#♀*Σ╚

Anonymous

@KritixiLithos Why?

Jan Dvorak

Because codenames, again. It would be a separate CMC.

Erik the Outgolfer

@JanDvorak Jelly, 16 bytes: “AYBR”ẋ"1789D¤FẊ

Anonymous

The 16-byte version can't, but the 17-byte version can

Anonymous

10:44 AM

Oh wait you mean the output not the code >_<

Anonymous

20 bytes: 1789k"AYBR"#♀*Σ╚5@╪i

Erik the Outgolfer

05AB1E, 16 bytes: 1789S"AYBR"S×J.r

Python 2, 75 bytes:

from random import*
s=list('A'+'Y'*7+'B'*8+'R'*9)
shuffle(s)
print`s`[2::5]

Destructible Lemon

11:08 AM

nice

print`s`[2::5]
print''.join(s)

shorter by one byte apparently

I have learned new golf skill

ASCII-only

Python 2, 98 bytes:

from random import*
s=list('A'+'Y'*7+'B'*8+'R'*9)
shuffle(s)
for i in range(5):print`s`[2+5*i::25]

Destructible Lemon

11:34 AM

why is that better?

ASCII-only

It isn't, it just splits into segments of length 5

Also Mathematica DatePattern matches invalid dates too :| why

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Q: Tip? Short way to generate up to 12 repeated characters in JavaScript

'---------' '-'.repeat(9) // longer! '------------' (x='----')+x+x '-'.repeat(12) // same length Is there any cleverer way of generating strings of up to 12 repeated characters in JavaScript?

Erik the Outgolfer

12:19 PM

stupidest Jelly dyads ever: eÐf and eÐḟ

Destructible Lemon

is it an issue that my koth bots are going to be functions rather than classes, when they have persistent memory @ASCII-only

especially since class variables are a thing is one argument for functions

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon it isn't an issue

but seriously why not just use classes

Destructible Lemon

class variables are builtin things

also now I already done did it with functions

TuxCopter

What is a good Python library for vectors and matrixes?

Destructible Lemon

probably numpy or something

Erik the Outgolfer

12:28 PM

numpy

user165474

question: are alex, doorknob, martin, and dennis our only community elected mods? or am i missing someone?

TuxCopter

thx

Erik the Outgolfer

@HyperNeutrino there's only been 1 election

and it seems we won't need another mod for a long time empirically

since Dennis is very active, and Martin is considerably active too, while Doorknob contributes too (where did Alex go btw?)

user165474

ok

user165474

good question

user165474

12:32 PM

Last seen May 21

user165474

so not too inactive

Erik the Outgolfer

well, he might've clicked the button that says "I won't be available" or something (yes there is such a button for mods I think)

also "last seen" doesn't always indicate activity

user165474

ooo interesting

user165474

that is true

Erik the Outgolfer

this is his last visible activity

> 2017-04-11 03:23:38Z

user165474

12:36 PM

:o

user165474

including meta?

Erik the Outgolfer

no

of course there are actions not visible here

user165474

oh true

user165474

like i don't think it would show anything if he nuked something/someone

user165474

but idk

user165474

12:39 PM

anyway i got to go now

user165474

o/

Erik the Outgolfer

deleting/nuking/destroying etc. aren't visible

btw this is his last visible action on meta

> 2017-01-07 00:33:55Z

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Q: User Appreciation Challenge #1: Dennis ♦

I got the spontaneous idea of making a series of challenges of users that have helped and continue to help the PPCG community be an enjoyable place for everyone, or maybe just specifically for me. :P If you convert Dennis's name to an array of 1s and 0s where each consonant is 1 and each vowel i...

code-golf string palindrome

Kritixi Lithos

1:04 PM

I must have made a mistake, APL is too verbose D:

Destructible Lemon

this is a good number

@ASCII-only well, either way I can justify it as spite now

this is my favourite gist

I like my dog

@DestructibleLemon yeah I changed that :/

TuxCopter

1:40 PM

7

TuxCopter

1:55 PM

Mario theme song American version

Peter Taylor

2:20 PM

As discussed on meta, I've now opened a chatroom for nominations for the monthly necro contest.

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betseg

2:31 PM

...what

totallyhuman

Hey

Is this a valid answer?

Java has become weird

Peter Taylor

@betseg For once, documentation in MSDN which tells you something that wasn't obvious from the name.

TuxCopter

@betseg Haha

Helka Homba

@PhiNotPi or @Sherlock9 We're either of you the person who donated some Bitcoin to the old PPCG Minecraft server on Jan 5, 2016?

I'm locked out of my BitGo account and they say I need the old transaction hashes to reset 2FA but I don't have a record of those transactions except on BitGo :/

Also, Bitcoin is really confusing

totallyhuman

anybody who golfs in java?

Peter Taylor

2:51 PM

@totallyhuman Occasionally

totallyhuman

19 mins ago, by totallyhuman

Is this a valid answer?

Peter Taylor

It's not an answer at all, so I think you've posted the wrong link

totallyhuman

...right

waiting for server-side permalinks :P

this

Peter Taylor

I think so, based on what I can find on meta about anonymous functions in Java

totallyhuman

ok, thanks

imma post it and see if i get downvoted :P

i mean, it beats python

Downgoat

4:09 PM

people who use JavaScript & position: absolute to answer CSS problems on SO deserve to never touch a computer again :P

Jan Dvorak

Have you really never used it?

I used it once to get pixel-perfect positioning on a custom widget

Downgoat

@JanDvorak noooooo D:

Jan Dvorak

... and I liked it.

Downgoat

@JanDvorak position: absolute is having a program output 0 for a binary search and says it works for you.

Jan Dvorak

false

Downgoat

4:13 PM

@JanDvorak brb never hiring you to do CSS :P

there are very few cases when position: absolute/fixed is relevent

Jan Dvorak

Yes, and I hit that case

Downgoat

one of those is alert boxes, the other one is sticky headers

Jan Dvorak

OK, replicate the <input type=number> widget so that it looks the same in every browser and can be styled to the company's whim (image everything).

Downgoat

you mean like outline/glow?

position: relative is what you want

Jan Dvorak

I mean those arrows

Downgoat

4:17 PM

you can still use top/left/right/bottom and all

@JanDvorak like a submit arrow at the end of textbox?

or like resize arrow

Jan Dvorak

position:absolute lets me place parts of the widget with pixel precision, no cross-browser inconsistencies, and with no restrictions or extra HTML.

Downgoat

oh wait why do you need to replicate it

Jan Dvorak

It can't be styled to the company's whims

Downgoat

seem simple enough w/ basic tables for cross-browser support

basically small vesion of golden layout

Jan Dvorak

Wait, you propose using a table for styling because absolute positioning is too uncool?

Downgoat

4:20 PM

absolute positioning is like handing someone an iPad because they're starving because it's an "apple"

:D that was good analogy

Jan Dvorak

no, it's not even close to being similar

Downgoat

what is next, px for layouts? D:

Jan Dvorak

like I said, pixel-perfect image everything. Not my idea.

And yes, our front-end had a 960px frame around it. Deal with it. I did.

Downgoat

but position absolute takes something completely out of the flow layout and now everything is hardcoded with weird px values and now everything is weird and blows up and now you have a webpage that doesn't work on new or old computers because it's inconsistent filled with too many hacks, fails to resize, and as the universe slowly collapses due to blasphemous use of position: absolute, the sheep come out and take over the world and now everything is bad and evil

Jan Dvorak

Absolutely positioned elements can't fail to resize. They won't even attempt to resize.

Downgoat

4:24 PM

see that is porblem

Jan Dvorak

Au contraire.

Downgoat

:OOO Vous utilisez francais dehors la chambre de francais :O

betseg

would A002375 be a good challenge? (given 2n return how many ways it can be written as the sum of 2 primes)

Jan Dvorak

The less to think about, the faster you can roll out iterations. Why bother with rows and columns when you can just drag form elements onto a square grid and have it compiled into HTML.

@Downgoat BTW, I think what you describe has already happened at least once

Downgoat

@betseg seems cool, but also seem like similar to something like factorization challenge

Kritixi Lithos

4:27 PM

@betseg Personally I don't like challenges involving permutations

betseg

@Downgoat Well this isn't factorization

Kritixi Lithos

and what appears to be brute-forcing

Downgoat

@betseg Personally I'd solve it by factorization + permutaitons + filter + count

@TuxCopter wait would it be la salle francais or la chambre de francais

Jan Dvorak

Embrace the simplicity. Dev time first. Who has <1024px anyways? Phone users? Yeah, your Android app is on the roadmap.

TuxCopter

@Downgoat "la salle française"

Downgoat

4:30 PM

oh ok thanks

TuxCopter

yes i know

Downgoat

>____<

Helka Homba

Anyone here still using JellyBean 4.1 on android?

Jan Dvorak

4.2.2

Kritixi Lithos

no, I use Marshmallow

I've never had Jellybean, my earliest was KitKat

Erik the Outgolfer

4:42 PM

jb>kk regardin'stability

(tis's golfed English)

I've been thinkin'4 a while'bout it

aposz'n'slangz r golfier than normal spek

Jan Dvorak

english, please

betseg

We enjoy code-bowling here.

Erik the Outgolfer

well code bowling is another thing

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Q: Generate Hamming codes

Given a stream of bits, output the shortest possible Hamming code that encodes it. The steps to generate the Hamming code are as follows, although your submission does not necessarily have to conform to them as long as it produces identical output. The input 110100101 will be used as an example....

code-golf binary error-correction

Erik the Outgolfer

5:06 PM

Code Bowling is one of the finest arts of "playing" with code, by trying to make full programs or functions, either eponymous or anonymous, while keeping your code as long as possible. You may think it would be too easy at first, since you can use comments of an arbitrary length, but, in fact, if any chars can be removed from your code without affecting its validity, then those chars must be removed, and would not count towards your total score. Code Bowling is, in fact, way more difficult than what you may think at first, since you will be challenged to write, in fact, useful code, and not…

@betseg ^

is this bowled enough?

trichoplax

5:22 PM

> useful code

Doesn't sound like they've seen it done well...

Erik the Outgolfer

@trichoplax what do you mean?

betseg

@EriktheOutgolfer you said that sentence was golfy, i said we like bowling

trichoplax

If it's written in a way that leaves useful (readable) code when all redundant characters are removed, then it doesn't have the convoluted indirect methods of calculating things that I'd expect of code bowling.

I suppose "useful" in that sentence was intended to mean "not a no op" but it makes it sound like the code won't be horrible to read

Erik the Outgolfer

"useful" means that it in fact contributes to the whole code

Helka Homba

XML really needs one line comments

trichoplax

5:29 PM

Incidentally, for some reason I thought that block message was a quote, but just realised it isn't a quote block at all, so probably just part of the current conversation, so "they" probably didn't make sense - sorry about that

@EriktheOutgolfer It just amused me that in any context other than bowling, it would be the opposite of useful...

Erik the Outgolfer

in any other context you will not be trying to make the code as long as possible

totallyhuman

5:43 PM

Whoa

Downgoat

6:00 PM

Question: how does this look

Conor O'Brien

Suppose a language only has strings and numbers. There is a "special" type of string called a "function"; it is written differently, but is stored the same as a string, and can in fact be used as a string. This language otherwise has no functions. By this answer, since it is defined to be a function, it is a function by our standards; but this language has no variables/names.

Is this a "function" by our standards?

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien I mean it still has to follow the specific bullet points, what the language defines takes precedence in cases of dispute of what is "function" in that language

KuanHulio

why dont more golfing langs have internet capabilities

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6:21 PM

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Q: Maximal discrepancy-2 sequence with minimal entropy

Background As noted in the PPCG challenge Compress a maximal discrepancy-2 sequence – which inspired this challenge the authors of the paper Computer-Aided Proof of Erdős Discrepancy Properties found a maximal discrepancy-2 sequence, namely -1, 1, 1, -1, 1, -1, -1, 1, 1, -1, 1, 1, -1, 1...

code-golf sequence combinatorics compression optimized-output

Dennis

@xnor Went for it. :)

Dennis

6:33 PM

@KuanHulio Good question. Jelly does, but it's fairly new, and I don't think anyone has used it in an answer yet.

Erik the Outgolfer

@KuanHulio 05AB1E does

Martmists

6:49 PM

Hey everyone, I had a question regarding the following: https://light-theme-hurts.my-ey.es/c412ae.png

I answered this question 2 hours earlier in the same language, and my solution has less bytes. Now a few hours ago I noticed it was there already, but I didn't think it'd be much of an issue.

Back then we were both at 0 points, but right now their answer has 4 points whereas mine only has 1.
Is there anything I can do about this, and if so, what?

Erik the Outgolfer

it's just that more people were interested in the other answer

also pleading for votes is frowned upon

Martmists

I'm not pleading for votes, it's just that I'm concerned about people instead of commenting or editing, submitting equal answers and profiting from it, which in my opinion should simply not be allowed.

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat so.. it's a function

Erik the Outgolfer

@Martmists there's consensus which allows it

Conor O'Brien

@KuanHulio I know MATL does, at least, implicitly so

Martmists

6:57 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer Could you point me to where it's said that this is allowed?

Erik the Outgolfer

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A: Definite policy about duplicate answers

Allow duplicate answers I think we shouldn't take action against duplicate submissions, even when the code is identical. We should assume good faith: the second submitter almost surely came up with the code on their own. We see on anarchy golf that identical submissions are common among experien...

Conor O'Brien

@EriktheOutgolfer "asking for an explanation on voting tendencies" is not precisely "pleading for votes"

Dennis

@Martmists The answers aren't identical. In fact, your answer was substantially longer (15 bytes) than the other answer when the latter was posted.

Erik the Outgolfer

@ConorO'Brien I just left that as a note

Dennis

The only thing you can do is keep golfing your answer. For example, the space between input() and if can be removed.

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7:03 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Same length, different string code-golf string Challenge Given a string S of positive length L consisting entirely of printable ASCII chars and newlines, output another string of length L that also consists entirely of printable ASCII chars and newlines, but is not equal to S. For example, ...

totallyhuman

x->(x>199?"\033[31m":"")+"NO\033[31m VACANCY\033[m" what happened to Java

Christopher

7:36 PM

@HyperNeutrino If you wrote a challenge about me i would be happy :D

</humor>

Downgoat

7:47 PM

@ThomasWard :O oh noes did evil sheep posses you!! D:

Thomas Ward

not evil sheep

my Dark Chaos Mage is currently controlling me HAIL CHAOS

mınxomaτ

@VoteToClose That's a bug. github.com/git-rest/spooky

Christopher

@Dennis I can't get bubblegum to read my deflate stream correctly https://tio.run/nexus/bubblegum#BcHZokJAAADQD/LQ2HkcsgxzZWvQm6RGyc6kn@@e86u9fTm3s88YRCt/1JUQbAEr2@ybeaDgzZ5cA6bF8uZxUr65/LvsP/5QjWoB6go98uIz9PE0GytBQ9tlt8hqxIMVHHEPXqirg1mwQCFP9Tkdk4YtQmTEgCYQnx2TUq9Y6QUH@km7Pw3xdOlwI5o0Nywb@OkQ5sKY/k0lzFb3q5q6qMmx5OzkMsBn4BgqnJbD/olkBMa4NBtt9Rm0E6TgrlVvLoflnbZJtaVzxQ5HiwcK2SPthqgyhJg40lz4Mmc7HK8H2d1rs3iZhWErnfwB1etbhDRCL/xci7BD5C4RW3MTNje/3z8
:

Dennis

You have to use an xxd-style hexdump.

Christopher

Thanks that gets output but not the right one, compression algo I used is wrong :(

Dennis

7:56 PM

@Christopher Please don't edit posts just because you prefer an alternate and equally valid spelling.

Christopher

@Dennis Gah! Sorry, still getting used to insta-edits. I used to propose edits like that since I didn't know if that was better but know I get insta edits

Dennis

It shouldn't be suggested as an edit either.

Christopher

Ok now I know, thanks!

How do you compress the string for bubblegum? (Not general question but you)

Dennis

Depends on what I have to compress. Usually zopfli.

At least try to find a more compressible sequence than the one in the spec though. That's the core of the challenge.

Christopher

I will, tio.run/nexus/retina#xVdBDsIwDPuKH4APfIUrQuL/… is the example without whitespace. I just wanted to see how compressed it got

TheWanderer

8:01 PM

@ThomasWard what are you doing here??

Christopher

8:13 PM

CMC remove all spaces from input

Try it online!

5 bytes

totallyhuman

print input().replace(' ','')

MD XF

@Dennis +1 for making talk.tryitonline.net redirect to the chat room

Dennis

@Christopher tio.run/nexus/jelly#@/9wx6b///…

Mendeleev

What is zopfli?

Downgoat

@Mendeleev github.com/google/zopfli

Mendeleev

8:19 PM

@Downgoat Thanks

I just found this amazing Chrome extension "The Great Discarder"

Everyone should install it. It's awesome

Saves >80% of your ram when you have a lot of tabs open

totallyhuman

The great suspender?

Oh they changed the name huh

Mendeleev

@totallyhuman No

Suspender is different

Discarder uses a newer Chrome feature to make it a seamless experience, instead of having that click through page

totallyhuman

Oh

I like to choose though, so I'll stick with suspender

Helka Homba

I'd like a chrome addon that warns me when I have identical tabs open

10

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Print your system's logo code-golf graphical-output ascii-art This is a system-specific challenge, meaning you must use a language that is generally implemented on / was made for a system (e.g. Swift for Apple, Visual Basic for Windows). The challenge Pick a system (an OS or a specific compute...

totallyhuman

8:30 PM

I'd like a chrome extension that warns me every time I have ppcg open

KuanHulio

id like a chrome extension that ip bans ninjas

so i can post my stuff first

Dennis

8:49 PM

@Mendeleev Unable to prevent a tab from reloading when it gains focus No, thank you.

Mendeleev

Huh?

It doesn't reload

Tab discarding basically puts the tab into swap-ish

Dennis

It says so right in the description.

Mendeleev

so the state of the page, its content, even your scrolling is saved

it's not like the refresh action

Jan Dvorak

I don't want anything that kills all page javascript - and the data it held - without even telling me so.

Mendeleev

honestly, it's one of the most useful extensions I've ever used.

Jan Dvorak

8:51 PM

Just no.

Mendeleev

also, if you pin a tab, it will never get discarded.

so pin important tabs like I do, and you're set

Jan Dvorak

yeah, but it will get tiny and I won't see the title

Mendeleev

so?

all my tabs are tiny anyway /s

Dennis

In any case, I have more than enough RAM. I don't need these shenanigans.

Jan Dvorak

at which point it might as well be unloaded

@Mendeleev two words: this chat

Mendeleev

8:52 PM

Please elaborate.

Dennis

zram is like a much better alternative, assuming you're on Linux. For practical purposes, it doubles your RAM.

Mendeleev

Downgoat

@Mendeleev isn't chrome really that bad with RAM O_o

Mendeleev

> zram

> swap in ramdisk

pls no.

Jan Dvorak

@Mendeleev fail

Mendeleev

8:53 PM

@JanDvorak how?

Jan Dvorak

RAM compression sounds performance intensive

Dennis

@Mendeleev Why on Earth not? TIO uses it successfully.

@JanDvorak Not really. It uses LZO or LZ4, which are really fast.

Mendeleev

Not for a desktop system... I would be better off putting swap on a SATA drive, but with the extension, I end up using basically none of it

mınxomaτ

That makes no sense.

Mendeleev

% free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           7.8G        2.9G        1.7G        277M        3.1G        4.3G
Swap:          8.0G          0B        8.0G

@mınxomaτ I get that a lot

Dennis

8:56 PM

Oh yes, a SATA drive is so much faster than in-RAM compression. /s

Mendeleev

It's not faster...

However, with a ramdisk, you end up using a static chunk of RAM to hold it, taking up a block of memory regardless of whether it's being used

mınxomaτ

I don't think you understand how this works.

Jan Dvorak

Is there a Windows version?

Mendeleev