The Nineteenth Byte

Wheat Wizard

03:01

@MDXF I am confused by your latest comment on my answer

MD XF

@WheatWizard "Your program will display the exact string NO VACANCY, including case."

Wheat Wizard

Oh so it has to be a full program?

MD XF

Well, does your program display the string?

Wheat Wizard

Its not a program

its a function

MD XF

It can be a function, but still should actually output the colored string

Wheat Wizard

03:03

so no? If you run it will do nothing

MD XF

I'll clarify in the rules

Wheat Wizard

it will output a colored string

if called

MD XF

Ah

Forgive me

I'm unfamiliar with lambdas

You're valid

Wheat Wizard

@Dennis You're esc byte suggestion works well thanks!

ASCII-only

@NewMainPosts lol finally working, why encodings

Wheat Wizard

03:10

@MDXF To be absolutely clear lambdas do not print anything. They just output a string when called. Usually this type of thing is allowed but its obviously your dicretion as the OP.

Helka Homba

*discretion

Wheat Wizard

My lambdas will only print when you do print (my lambda)(args)

Destructible Lemon

imo this seems like it should be printing

MD XF

@WheatWizard Yeah, that sounds fine.

Wheat Wizard

I think the go submission does the same, but I don't know Go

MD XF

03:19

Nope, totallyhuman is fixing the Go submission

totallyhuman

ok this is weird

MD XF

link

totallyhuman

it returns the string

then you do Print(f(42))

MD XF

?

Wheat Wizard

The three answers all function in the same way

MD XF

03:21

Either it prints something (when called) or it's invalid

Wheat Wizard

Ok then all of them are invalid

This should be more explicit in the question because this goes agains normal convention

MD XF

Wait... that goes against convention?

user165474

lambdas are functions without names (so they return the value) and are usually allowed, and I'd recommend you stick to that because otherwise you just invalidated a bunch of solutions and people may not like that

MD XF

Okay I'll fix that

Yeah if it's conventional I'll definitely not go against that

My bad :I

Dennis

32

Q: Default for Code Golf: Program, Function or Snippet?

One of the things many (new?) users forget to specify in code-golf challenges is whether the answers should provide a full program or a function (or even just a snippet). For most such things, we have defaults in the tag wiki (like scoring by bytes), but not for this. The conclusion in chat was ...

Helka Homba

03:24

dangit dennis

Dennis

51

Q: Default for Code Golf: Input/Output methods

It looks like we have a consensus that we want certain defaults for the format which answers are expected in for code-golf. On that poll, the question arose twice, which input/output formats should be allowed for programs and functions. So here is another poll. This one works different though. A...

discussion faq policy code-golf defaults

Destructible Lemon

@HelkaHomba you never surrender when you ninja someone

Dennis

@HelkaHomba You actually ninja'd me to the second one. :P

Destructible Lemon

@Dennis ninja'd?

user165474

quick rollback

ASCII-only

03:25

Start of charcoal flatten cube thing (mostly for be because battery almost dead):
https://tio.run/##ldZLTsJAGAfw/XeKUkwUREEsKAqK4CMqIKCiqUIsVStosWniG0jcmLj1Bq6NiYmJLuzKA@gdvECPgAVR@tj8ncBMv8n3A2amM0U8EFTxWDhqtXTtSdeede3@8/bjTddev641XXswXoyuPX7d3LVaWyzLMs6SVv1NSfYVRJfqC4hlOZuM81KkWvaMxeSSopxlvJmTQ8@VSk4qMlB5f@GdeAmzk4zbYfcwWmWYcbstYrRsvFmbdWN0p11xVnuA0b5OPWSxCkZrP03QbFMYXe22WZNNoIvTLfmejWO0t/yzf3YOo5neZfTXrmB02zyz9K@xXpiD2I@tYzRinbSOXcPouTXcatswRo9t8aFhXRh13DnGeMHFWXb0NGlKrsqXYd/0jDfnKQ0LE4vKQpYtlZcbs6ubKU9w3pUo1Fk57Hd@2hoJ2NfOOHrCFMJozN6h0AgmK7Y4TxwGbSOdpiHM8ZZoAP2dllN/h/oxFTBdX1EGQ6bjKk3gp…

user165474

so you can say you ninja'd the great dennis

Jan Dvorak

So, when do you rename the language?

MD XF

I updated the challenge. Sorry about that.

Helka Homba

@Dennis Oh, I did. Saw "default" and thought it was the same

MD XF

@totallyhuman Sorry I messed up your answer. Deleted the comments.

ASCII-only

03:28

@JanDvorak Me? IDK, whenever I think of a suitable name I guess (or if there's a major update)

Anonymous

Given how many blackboard bold chars you use, maybe Chalk would be a good name

Anonymous

It still fits the name theme (charcoal for drawing on canvas, chalk for drawing on chalkboards)

Jan Dvorak

just coal?

user165474

CMC: given a positive integer as input, output the integer except string-reversed, without using string reversal or list reversal built-ins (that is, it should be arithmetic)

Dennis

What's wrong with Charcoal?

feersum

03:32

It can only output in one color.

Dennis

I assume that applies to both the language and actual charcoal though.

user165474

actual charcoal smudges as well

Wheat Wizard

Someday I want to make a language called TIARA, where TIARA stands for Tiara Is A Recursive Acronym.

Dennis

Whoa, meta-recursive acronyms.

Jan Dvorak

Can I make my own list reversal function?

MD XF

03:34

@WheatWizard Did you know that GNU is a recursive acronym? For GNU's Not Unix.

user165474

it should be arithmetic

ASCII-only

@JanDvorak No, "should be arithmetic"

user165474

ninja'd

user165474

I'm so meta even this acronym

Dennis

@MDXF That's probably the most well-known one.

Anonymous

03:35

@HyperNeutrino Actually, 22 bytes: ;╥KR♂╤@♀%;r♂╤@♀\;r♂╤R*

totallyhuman

@HyperNeutrino what should happen when the number ends with a 0?

MD XF

@Dennis I didn't actually know until I visited GNU's homepage and I've used GNU since I was nine.

Dennis

Heh.

user165474

it doesn't matter whether or not leading 0s are output

user165474

@Mego :o how does that work

Helka Homba

03:35

so 100 -> 1?

Dennis

HURD is a nice one.

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino Lots of log10 and 10**n

Wheat Wizard

@MDXF Wine Is Not an Emulator

MD XF

@WheatWizard NO WAY.

Wheat Wizard

That was the only one I had heard of prior

MD XF

03:36

Also help me phrase this: Pick a system. Now pick a language that is <> to that system. <> being a one-word statement to say "generally implemented on", or "only used in"

Something like that

Jan Dvorak

EINE Is Not Emacs and ZWEI Was Eine Initially

MD XF

For example, Oregon is <> to the United States

Dennis

HURD means HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons, where HIRD means HURD of Interfaces Representing Depth.

totallyhuman

Python 2, 52 bytes:

MD XF

A meta-meta-meta acronym?!?

totallyhuman

03:37

def f(x,r=0):
 while x:r*=10;r+=x%10;x/=10
 return r

Anonymous

@Dennis Baby don't HURD me no more

2

Anonymous

@totallyhuman while x instead of while x>0

Jan Dvorak

This did HURD

ASCII-only

@JanDvorak *ZWEI not TWEI

totallyhuman

@Mego ah yeah thanks

Dennis

03:39

@ASCII-only Makes sense. 1 and 2 in German.

Jan Dvorak

also, Drei's Really Emacs Inside

Anonymous

@totallyhuman 50

totallyhuman

o0 i'm missing basic things

Dennis

@Mego I think they intended both to be pronounced as herd (GNU/HURD or GNU/HIRD, for maximal punniness).

totallyhuman

must be 'cause it's 11:41pm :P

user165474

03:41

That's not late.

user165474

:P

totallyhuman

ah no that's the best time for coding

ASCII-only

@Mego 42

totallyhuman

not for golfing though

Anonymous

@ASCII-only Nice recursion, I was working on doing that when I got distracted by cows

3

totallyhuman

03:42

stahp out-golfin me ;-;

user165474

please explain the cows

Anonymous

They go moo, usually

Jan Dvorak

It's a charcoal reference

Anonymous

We're slightly losing our minds in Charcoal HQ. Nothing to concern yourselves with. :)

totallyhuman

@totallyhuman wait wrong site to ask that

user165474

03:44

exactly

user165474

CMC: Given an integer z, generate [1, 1, ..., 1] of length z without using list repetition. you may define your own list repetition function if you really want. Output in any reasonable format. Iteration and list iteration is allowed.

totallyhuman

o0 where are you getting these ideas from

MD XF

That's a really good idea

You should post that

user165474

ooo maybe i will

user165474

actually then

user165474

03:46

don't answer the CMC

Jan Dvorak

f=->n{n<1?[]:f[n-1]+[1]}

MD XF

I'll answer the post

user165474

because if I post then someone might FGITW ninja you

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino Python, 30 bytes: f=lambda z:z and[1]+f(z-1)or[]

MD XF

Yeah :P

Jan Dvorak

03:47

... oh.

MD XF

@JanDvorak hehe I'm gonna ninja you :P

Dennis

@HyperNeutrino without using list repetition is fine for a CMC, but too vague for main.

user165474

ah ok

user165474

thanks for the feedback i was almost going to post that

user165474

though i would sandbox it first ofc

MD XF

03:47

Don't sandbox it

The sandbox seems pretty useless nowadays

Jan Dvorak

Anyways...->n{[1]*n}

MD XF

I use the sandbox so that I can get my idea out on "paper"

user165474

most challenges i put in sandbox actually die, so...

totallyhuman

it's still a good idea though

user165474

yes

Jan Dvorak

03:48

I propose that Sandbox be renamed to Graveyard

3

totallyhuman

although, yes, the sandbox is not getting a great amount of attention

but the few people who do, usually give goo feedback

> goo feedback

Jan Dvorak

generally objectively 'orrible?

Dennis

@MDXF It's certainly not fool-proof, but a decent amount of bad ideas get weeded out before making it to main. And since getting answer-banned on meta is substantially more difficult than getting question-banned on main, I'd still recommend it for inexperienced challenge writers.

MD XF

Yeah... I guess I qualify as inexperienced :P

totallyhuman

look dennis said it better than me

MD XF

03:51

Each and every one of my questions has either been closed or included non-conventional rules by accident

But they were all in the sandbox first so...

user165474

not for long enough

user165474

you literally left "no vacancy" in sandbox for 1 hour

user165474

most people probably slept over that period of time

totallyhuman

there should be a badge for sandbox people

maybe that'd give some motivation

user165474

you know what else gives motivation?

totallyhuman

03:52

ice cream?

Jan Dvorak

only if it can be awarded multiple times

user165474

sure

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Yeah I know, but it got every bit as much attention as the one I left in there for three months

user165474

how about getting a good challenge out there and upvoted instead of posting a flawed challenge that gets downvoted and VTC'd (cc VoteToClose) into oblivion

Jan Dvorak

@HyperNeutrino shouting at people when their question has faults that could have theoretically been ironed out in the graveyard ... I mean, sandbox?

totallyhuman

03:53

cookies?

Dennis

@MDXF The problem with about unconventional rules isn't really something the sandbox can fix. If you and I both assume default rules apply, but we think different rules to apply by default, that's not something that would come up naturally.

user165474

@MDXF people tend to link sandbox posts they care about into chat a lot to get details ironed out

user165474

@JanDvorak sure that works too

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino I did and y'all said it was good :P

user165474

well it has +4/-0

user165474

03:54

and really there was nothing wrong with the challenge

user165474

we just needed to clear up how lambdas work in terms of validity

MD XF

Yeah

That meta post even specifically said functions, and non-lambda people have no idea that those correlate

user165474

I suddenly got an idea for challenges: user appreciation posts for random users that either have helped to community a lot or maybe just specifically me

user165474

@MDXF "lambda" means "lambda function"

totallyhuman

lambdafunc

> dafunc

user165474

03:56

ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

Why did this get downvoted immediately? It's a user's first submission and it's not bad

user165474

good question

Dennis

@MDXF Because you edited it.

Anonymous

@totallyhuman funky lambs

MD XF

@Dennis That's a reason for a dv?

Dennis

03:58

But, but it was the cause.

Just so you know, the downvote was cast automatically by the Community user when you edited your answer. I consider this a bug. — Dennis ♦ 49 secs ago

Anonymous

Community does that. He's terrible.

Anonymous

fire-community

totallyhuman

oh yeah he pokes things

user165474

did you just assume community's... nvm

totallyhuman

he's not nice

@HyperNeutrino shh the horse is dead

Anonymous

03:58

@HyperNeutrino Community identifies as a meat popsicle

user165474

:{

totallyhuman

@totallyhuman da funk is a daft punk song

...that message was totally unnecessary

here's a joke to make up for it

why did the programmer get fired

Phoenix

CMC: Given an int a and string s, determine if s has length a.

totallyhuman

because he didn't get arrays

Anonymous

@Phoenix l=

user165474

04:05

@Phoenix lambda a,s:len(s)==a

user165474

@Phoenix Jelly, 2 byes: L=

user165474

argument 1 is string

user165474

argument 2 is int

user165474

dennis comment-ninja'd me by 14 seconds ;_;

Dennis

Welp, time to solve this in Jelly.

New Sandboxed Posts

04:09

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

If without If code-golf To be honest, this is the same as my last closed challenge, but improved. Oh no! Your mighty boss requested you to separate a string text and return if it is a specific string or not. However, you're i and f key is broken! That means a nightmare - No if statements! ...

totallyhuman

that was fast o0

user165474

for once

totallyhuman

bad grammar makes me [sic]

user165474

where?

Adám

@ASCII-only Hm, I would probably try to reinstall MSKLC and rebuild. Remember to save your layout file.

user165474

04:38

waiting for NSP......

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

User Appreciation Challenge #1: Dennis ♦ I got the spontaneous idea of making a series of challenges of users that have helped and continue to help the PPCG community be an enjoyable place for everyone, or maybe just specifically for me. :P If you convert Dennis's name to an array of 1s and 0s ...

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

What's the date, in Usenet time? code-golf The program should take any date as input and return the same date as output if it's prior to September 1993 or the date on the September 1993 calendar if thereafter. (For example, today is September 8671, 1993.) Input and output formats should be amo...

totallyhuman

uhm

is it just me or is every sandboxed challenge downvoted rn

urp nvm

sorted by votes

user165474

>_>

user165474

the most upvoted one literally says "go sort by active" :P

totallyhuman

i was on page 52 :P

user165474

04:48

... ok then... :P

totallyhuman

writes a Java answer

feersum

05:12

calls moderator

totallyhuman

:P

Anonymous

→ 3 messages moved to Trash

Anonymous

Let's not, please

totallyhuman

sorry these rules are much stricter than i'm used to :P

Downgoat

05:51

Generic Programming Life Question: What differentiates a software engineer? I'm sure they are millions of people who can write great React or Java apps, so what would you say the things that makes someone special are?

Kritixi Lithos

their code-golfing skills

Anonymous

@Downgoat I actually was thinking about this a few days ago, after being asked a similar question. In my experience, there are a few terms used in the field to differentiate levels of experience and skillsets:

Anonymous

1. Programmer: your basic code monkey. You tell them to write a module that does X, and they'll give you a module that does X, but they probably didn't test it very much, and it will almost always have scaling and/or integration issues to work out.
2. Software Developer: a professional, experienced programmer. They know the value of tools like unit tests and data structures. They deal with program-level issues rather than module-level issues. Their code is consistently good, and they anticipate issues and solve them before they come up (though this can occasionally get into optimization hell).

Kritixi Lithos

TIL the difference between the three

I used to think all those three terms meant the same thing

Anonymous

A different, possibly better explanation:

Downgoat

06:03

@Mego hm, thanks. The problem I have with these scales is I'd feel like I'm a 2-3ish but I always feel like I am overestimating myself >_< though I guess it doesn't hurt to just apply for everything in term of internship

Anonymous

1. Programmer: someone who knows how to program. A very low bar.
2. Software Developer: someone who can take a list of program requirements and write a program that fulfills them.
3. Software Engineer: an engineer that works in software. We deal with the clients, translating their requirement descriptions into program and system requirements, set up the systems, and work on things like integration tests and high-level design. Lots of overlap with project managers, but unlike PMs, SEs know how to write software, and actually do write software.

Anonymous

Some people make a distinction between software engineers and systems engineers, but I don't think that's a very meaningful distinction. There's a lot of overlap.

Anonymous

And then there's IT people, who are sometimes software people too, but most of the time they try to make sure that the systems aren't on fire for too long.

Kritixi Lithos

so IT people and programmers/software developers/software engineers are mutually exclusive?

Anonymous

Usually, but there are exceptions to every rule

Kritixi Lithos

06:10

I remember having a conversation with my parents about this, and they said that programmers and software developers and IT people are the same thing

Anonymous

IT usually focuses on the deployment and maintenance of systems. They don't care how the code works. Their job is to make sure that everything stays updated, all of the systems are online and communicating, and that users' computers aren't catching on fire.

Anonymous

IT is a very broad term that technically can include software development, but it's rarely used that way in practice.

Anonymous

Having worked in IT before I became a software developer/engineer, I understand and can appreciate the differences between the two fields :)

feersum

I think it's US-specific thing.

In most other countries it seems like IT can be any computer-related thing and includes computer science

But in the US "IT" connotes people installing Windows updates and helping people who lost their password.

Mendeleev

not really... from what I've heard in 99% of cases it's that

feersum

06:18

Well you live in the US.

Mendeleev

right... but I've read a lot of things from non-US people.

On an unrelated note: I just had a bar of red bean ice cream. It was ice cream with red beans mixed in. pretty unusual to say the least. was really good though.

New Main Posts

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Q: Quine/Error Quine Polyglot

Your task is simple: Write a program that can be run in two languages. It should be a normal quine (prints its own source code) in language 1, and should be an error quine (generates an error message identical to its own source code) in language 2. This is code-golf, so the shortest valid submis...

code-golf quine polyglot

Downgoat

Question: does this render correctly for you?

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat This is how it looks for me:

Anonymous

@feersum That's IT support staff, aka help desk. The network engineers would hang you by your toes with CAT5E cables if you lumped them in that category.

Kritixi Lithos

06:23

and btw "O(lg n)"

Anonymous

@KritixiLithos lg is common shorthand for log base 2

Kritixi Lithos

oh, okay. Then what is the "∃"?

Downgoat

@KritixiLithos exestential quantifier

Kritixi Lithos

btw the website looks great, but it loads a bit too slow

and you should link to these docs in the readme instead of linking to the cheddar docs :P

Downgoat

@KritixiLithos >_< yeah keep forgetting to fix that

@KritixiLithos yeah, I'm using ESDoc which does great doc generation but its styling sucks so I basically redid the entire thing and added a bunch of JS and stuff to inject scripts and all to render everything

feersum

06:45

@Mego What I'm saying is that's the public perception of "IT".

Do network engineers that you know call themselves IT?

Anonymous

Yep

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Buzzby Berkely Robot Hokey Pokey Task Write a program or function to produce an ASCII art animation depicting a line of robots dancing to the lyrics of the Hokey Pokey* (or Hokey Cokey, if you prefer) in the style of a Busby Berkely number! Example Output ⍊ ⍎ ⍚ ⍊ ⍒ ...

ASCII-only

07:06

@Mego I'm definitely #1 haha, I found an issue 5 months after it was implemented

> 2 byes

@NewSandboxedPosts lambda s:['\\"','BSlash',Quote'][s=='\\'+2*s=='"'] (I think)

Also whoops I killed chat

Erik the Outgolfer

07:40

@isaacg :)

Kritixi Lithos

08:05

Lol, I sent a chat message just after the Sandbox room froze

Erik the Outgolfer

09:15

I don't recommend looking at any of the answers here. You absolutely don't want to be hospitalized for a tremendous mental shock or something like that.

Ephphatha

09:25

argh, just realised the saved copy of the whitespace <s>tutorial</s> reference manual I have has the archive.org headers overlaying some of the instructions...

sitting here wondering why I'm missing a description of two of the operations

SIGSEGV

I should probs start Periodic

I think I need a cheat sheet in the shape of the periodic table

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Germanify A Sentence Please keep in mind that I am still learning German so feel free to correct my grammar In German, there are 4 different forms that an article can take, called cases. As a German learner, I can safely say that learning them is one of the hardest things to understand in the l...

SIGSEGV

(And yes every number/flag/function/etc are atoms, yes real atoms like H,He,N,O,C,etc)

Destructible Lemon

I've come across a situation in which using pass seems suitable

is this a good idea or some sort of anti pattern?

Qwerp-Derp

I've got a new idea for a metagolf: find the largest sequence of +'s and -'s that solves the Erdös discrepancy problem with a constant of n (based on the recent compression challenge).

Anonymous

09:44

@DestructibleLemon What would that situation be?

Destructible Lemon

hmmm, it seems in this particular circumstance I don't need to use pass.

but if I had more items in my koth, it would be useful

Anonymous

The only good use case I'm aware of for pass is for creating abstract base classes

Destructible Lemon

adding an item, but imagine there were more items

if card is vorped:
    pass
elif card % 2 == 0 and items[self.GRAIL]:
    pass
elif card <= 3 and items[self.TORCH]:
    pass
else:
    hp -= card

the passes would avoid a really long if statement, and make it explicit we can pass these cards with the right item

is this an antipattern?

Anonymous

Probably

Destructible Lemon

@Mego tbh it doesn't seem that bad. really long if statements that span multiple lines is probably more of an antipattern anyway

Anonymous

09:48

You're making 3 comparisons, so you have 4 branches. The Python bytecode compiler is not that smart - it probably wouldn't optimize out those useless branches. Your performance will suffer.

Destructible Lemon

I guess I could use continue

python has a bytecode compiler?

oh right. well I guess I should use that

Anonymous

@DestructibleLemon Yeah, it's automagically run when you run a Python script

Destructible Lemon

@Mego clarity over performance?

or something?

Anonymous

@DestructibleLemon There's another solution:

is_vorped = card is vorped; is_even_and_have_grail = card % 2 == 0 and items[self.GRAIL]; is_lt_3_and_have_torch = card <= 3 and items[self.TORCH]; if not is_vorped and not is_even_and_have_grail and not is_lt_3_and_have_torch: hp -= card

Anonymous

(use better names, obviously)

Anonymous

09:50

It's not a great solution either

Anonymous

You'd probably be better off modularizing those checks by breaking them out into a different part of the program

Destructible Lemon

wouldn't that have just as many branches though

well luckily I only have a couple of items I need to consider

Anonymous

@DestructibleLemon The other solution I proposed? No, there's only 2 branches.

Destructible Lemon

using break isn't as bad as gotos, right?

Anonymous

It's basically a goto, but it's better because it's not unconditional jumping anywhere

Destructible Lemon

09:54

as long as I don't do "while true:\n if etc break if etc break something break"?

Anonymous

You could do it an ugly branchless way by doing hp -= card*(card is not vorped and not (card % 2 == 0 and items[self.GRAIL]) and not (card <= 3 and items[self.TORCH]))

Anonymous

But that's not very readable

Destructible Lemon

I considered doing something like that earlier

for another thing

(example of bad break usage I was referring to: thedailywtf.com/articles/do-while-false)

Anonymous

My approach would be to make card an object and give it a property damage that returns how much damage it does. The damage function would decide how much damage is done, taking into account all of those conditions.

Destructible Lemon

I think it would be an antipattern not to break.

@Mego cards are just ints

whats wrong with that

it seems like not creating a new class makes more sense

New Main Posts

09:57

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Q: Partial Sum of Harmonic Sequence!

Definition In Mathematics, Harmonic Sequence refers to a sequence where i.e. the nth term of the sequence equals the reciprocal of n. Introduction In this challenge, given a positive integer n as input, output the Partial Sum of first n terms of the Harmonic Sequence. Inpu...

code-golf math sequence

Destructible Lemon

it seems like that would be worse than the pass branches

anyway, I don't have that many items

Anonymous

If you're having to consider all of those conditions about the card, it would make more sense to me to make it an object and have it consider all of those conditions inside its own functions

Destructible Lemon

    for card in dungeon:
        if card == 7 and items[self.PACT]:
            pact_killing = True
        elif (not card % 2 == 0 and items[self.GRAIL]) and (not card is vorped):
            hp -= card
            if hp <= 0 and items[self.POTION]:
                hp = 3
                items[self.POTION] = False

if you're curious, that is what I have

so far

Anonymous

@DestructibleLemon I would be physically revolted by that code if I hadn't seen similar things so often at my last job

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