The Nineteenth Byte

user165474

00:02

TFW your non-programmer friends are using Discord and they don't get why you need `\\` to type a backslash

Conor O'Brien

lol

user165474

There are 10 types of people: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. And those who didn't expect a ternary joke here.

user165474

(not my own original joke)

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino there is 10 type of people: those who got annoyed at the grammar errors until they realised this was unary

actually that doesn't make sense

better now

ATaco

"There are 10 types of people: Those who expected this to be in Base10, Those who didn't expect this to be in Base2, And those who never expected this to be in Base3."

Conor O'Brien

00:08

there are 10 types of people: losers, winners, men, women, programmers, laymen, scientists, mathematicians, and those who can't count.

fəˈnɛtɪk

@ConorO'Brien are those mutually exclusive?

Conor O'Brien

I'll give you 2 guesses

fəˈnɛtɪk

I'm going to guess yes and maybe

New Main Posts

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Q: Shortest Payload Compatable Quine

We have Golf You A Quine for Great Good and we have "Hello, World!". All of those are the same type: a collection of programs and none of them get accepted. I decided to round this off with Payload Quines. No answer will be accepted but this is still Code Golf so make it as short as possible Cha...

Conor O'Brien

wait lol for quines aren't strings basically "reading the source code"

Down Christopher

00:15

no?

LegionMammal978

@NathanMerrill You here?

hides from sudden gaot downattack

ATaco

Pretty sure that challenge is impossible without reading the source code.

Conor O'Brien

^

except maybe in some obscure esolang

LegionMammal978

The problem is the unescapability requirement

That would make it near-impossible

(If I'm reading it right)

ATaco

Any language that can solve that is either reading it's own source code, thus invalidating it, or not inescapable, thus invalidating it.

Conor O'Brien

00:23

I mean, I can make an esolang that does it

that doesn't do either of those things

LegionMammal978

But that wouldn't be very valid, would it

Conor O'Brien

well yeah oc

ATaco

Actually, I think I might have a solution...

Conor O'Brien

( could be a string that is unescapable, Q prepends Q(, implicit output.

short of that, I don't think it's possible, unless ATaco corrects me

Destructible Lemon

I think that challenge is the exact reason the sandbox exists

8

LegionMammal978

00:24

^

ATaco

Hold on, Writing a valid solution.

(I actually thought of one!)

Destructible Lemon

wait haven't we basically had this challenge before, minus printing the program?

Conor O'Brien

yeah, also minus quine restrictions

Destructible Lemon

what was it again? I remember it was BF that won

but like, weird BF

Conor O'Brien

SMBF?

or EBF

Destructible Lemon

00:30

No, it was an implementation in an esolang

and ! started the "input", which was how it worked

it was a cat program ending with a !

ATaco

Yeah, That's how I was going to solve it...

I'm writing my own quine for it...

LegionMammal978

I mean, unescapability can be done with a simple /dev/fd/1PIG<insert...>

I wrote the PIG interpreter with that usage in mind

Helka Homba

CMC: What's the the oldest piece of electronic technology you own, going by the date it was manufactured? It does not still need to work. Post a photo if possible, especially for obscure things. Oldest wins.

Probably an N64 for me, circa 1996

Nathan Merrill

@LegionMammal978 now I am

Conor O'Brien

CMC: find a pair of languages A, B where there are two challenges on this site (C, D) such that the optimal solution in A on C is shorter than the optimal solution in B on C, and that the optimal solution in B on D is shorter than the optimal solution in A on D.

Григорий Перельман

00:45

Is anyone here a Mathematica wizard?

Riker

martin iirc

@DJMcMayhem do you think 2i2i<insert text here> is valid for this?

Григорий Перельман

Yeah, but he's not on right now ;-;

Conor O'Brien

@HelkaHomba Bell & Howell movie camera, circa the 50s

getting picture rn

Григорий Перельман

Does anyone know how to get a sampling distribution of means in mathematica?

DJMcMayhem

@Riker Not even close

Riker

00:46

why not?

DJMcMayhem

Try it online!

Riker

well shit

Григорий Перельман

What if <text here> contains <esc>

Riker

doesn't matter

Conor O'Brien

imgur.com/a/WPkHg

Riker

00:47

@ГригорийПерельман a literal escape keypress isn't text

ATaco

I've got a theoretical solution, but it's 6kb.

Riker

lol

Nathan Merrill

@ConorO'Brien are you typing that url?

Григорий Перельман

@Riker Yeah but this is V, there are no keypresses.

Riker

@NathanMerrill prolly if he took it on his phone

Conor O'Brien

00:48

@NathanMerrill yes, I uploaded the picture from my phone and was transferring the link

Riker

@ГригорийПерельман vim actually I was thinking

didn't make that clear though

@ConorO'Brien called it

Григорий Перельман

Oh, 2i2i isn't a vim quine anyway.

Riker

yes it is

hm, well you do have to end the program with esc so techinically not

Григорий Перельман

Yeah.

Only works as a V quine

Helka Homba

@ConorO'Brien snazzy

user165474

00:51

Random Question<sup>TM</sup>: Is there an app for Stack Exchange Chat/is one being developed?

Riker

no

there is not and no plans for one

DJMcMayhem

@HelkaHomba I have a TV that's pretty old. Not sure what the year is though

Nathan Merrill

@Riker if you are going to make that edit, I'd also add sample programs to make it clear

Riker

62

Q: Add chat rooms for Android app

Being able to join chat rooms from the Android app would be a plus! It would truly make us connected on the go, instead of having to sit down at our desks and open a browser window. This will allow more users to fully utilize the chat system and join events no matter where they are.

feature-request status-deferred chat android-app

@NathanMerrill you mean working answers?

or just examples of what might work

in a fictional language

Luis Mendo

@HelkaHomba Casio VL-1 monophonic keyboard/synthesizer, circa 1980

pbs.twimg.com/media/BRY6lUfCQAAjcb-.jpg:large

Nathan Merrill

00:52

the latter

Riker

36

Q: Include some chat capabilities in iOS app

Currently, the app notifies users when they're mentioned in chat. However, when we tap on the notification, we got redirected out of the app to Safari. Is there a chance we can get some chat capabilities in the app, so that we don't have to login again in Safari to quickly reply to the messages...

feature-request chat ios-app

@NathanMerrill do you think it would be overstepping to edit some in?

Nathan Merrill

I mean, if he gives you the go-ahead

but otherwise, yes, I think it'd be overstepping

Riker

hm, ok

DJMcMayhem

@LuisMendo drools

Nathan Merrill

like, the concept of being able to add any arbitrary text there is a rather interesting one

DJMcMayhem

00:53

That looks really cool

Nathan Merrill

but I'm not entirely convinced it was his idea and not yours :)

Riker

if it gets closed I get imaginary dibs on that idea then :p

Nathan Merrill

that said, I'm not sure its possible in any language. Like, if you have a string, how do you close it?

the only way I could see it being possible is if the text can be added to the end of a program

and you're able to get all of your reading and processing code before the string

and the string auto-closes at an end of file

Riker

yeah

Nathan Merrill

also, how would the eof character work?

ATaco

00:56

What, 0x4?

Nathan Merrill

oh, apparently that isn't a character

Riker

yeah, "text" needs to be clarified

Nathan Merrill

nvm

ATaco

0x4 is EOT, but sometimes referred to as EOF.

Luis Mendo

@DJMcMayhem Nah, this one is much more drool-like. Specially from 1:10 (not me playing)

ATaco

00:57

Otherwise, -1 is an acceptable character code for an End of File.

Nathan Merrill

also, it could be possible with 2D languages that wrap

Helka Homba

@ConorO'Brien I can't be sure about optimal but I bet many of the languages that are longer than Mathematica here can beat it in other challenges

Nathan Merrill

but even then, I'm still not sure how you would signal "stop reading this string" or "stop printing out these characters"

Григорий Перельман

Is the sampling distribution of a normal distribution itself normal?

Does anyone know?

ATaco

Hey Pavel, is there anything you'd like to see in RProgN?

Luis Mendo

01:02

@ГригорийПерельман The sampling distribution of which statistic?

Riker

@NathanMerrill it's been closed now. Do you think I can try to sandbox a better version? or should I wait?

Григорий Перельман

@LuisMendo The mean

@ATaco Is there a proper builtin for randomness yet?

Luis Mendo

@ГригорийПерельман In that case I think the answer is yes

Григорий Перельман

Would you also happen to know how to get such a distribution in Mathematica?

Riker

@LuisMendo ... I just clicked that link and got a link to a userscript I installed earlier today

wtf chrome

can't repro either

Luis Mendo

01:05

@ГригорийПерельман No idea of Mathematica. But the distribution is the same normal, only with the sigma divided by the sqrt of number of samples

ATaco

Not yet, I'll need to add one.

Nathan Merrill

@Riker I'd wait a bit. Also, see if you can even think of a language its even possible in

Riker

@NathanMerrill yeah, am doing

Григорий Перельман

@LuisMendo It's fine if there's not a builtin, I just need a way to get the sampling distribution.

Thanks

Luis Mendo

np!

Nathan Merrill

01:07

@Dennis I like your verdict. I'm glad you're a mod :)

Григорий Перельман

Wait, mod things happened?

What?

Riker

he hammered the post

the payload quine one

Григорий Перельман

Oh yes +1 that.

Good call.

Riker

$0 would be cheating for a bash quine, right?

Dennis

@NathanMerrill :)

fəˈnɛtɪk

01:10

At least two answers were posted for it. Both were invalid. ATaco at least tried to make a valid quine though.

Downgoat

Can anyone help me parse this sentence:

> Write a recursive method, fib, to calculate the nth 6th Fibonacci number

isn't nth 6th oxymoron

Riker

uh

yes

Luis Mendo

@Downgoat I say it's an erratum and "6th" was meant to be deleted

Nathan Merrill

maybe n refers to the starting values?

Luis Mendo

Or perhaps "nth 6th" means the 6th (n=1), then the 12th (n=2) etc

Riker

01:12

hm

Mendeleev

FML I just spent 2 hours installing a fucking fake screen

It's some cheap TN LCD with a plastic cover.

Downgoat

@LuisMendo ah good idea

Riker

is using $0 valid for a bash quine?

I don't think so, falls under reading source

Downgoat

Well $0 outputs location of script

Dennis

@Downgoat Or you're supposed to compute both.

Mendeleev

01:13

FFS

Downgoat

>_> i can never tell with CS teacher but I'm not sure she actually grades the homework

Dennis

Unclear specification is unclear.

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat name your function "nth6thfib()"

xnor

@Lynn I did not know about Haskell's shows, that's a nice optimization

Downgoat

@Dennis brb seeing if I can close homework as unclear what you're asking

Dennis

01:18

Ask your teacher to post homework as PPCG challenges and to grade the answers.

Григорий Перельман

@Dennis That's what I do, but I make them CMCs.

Dennis

>_>

Григорий Перельман

I generally get a lot of responses tho: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=35353760#35353760

Mendeleev

Seriously?

Here's my eBay feedback

>
I received a poor quality fake screen. It has poor color reproduction, bad viewing angles, and the front panel is plastic. Additionally, the promised screen protectors were not included. Keep in mind that the description states that this is an OEM part.

Riker

@DownChristopher are you going to attempt to salvage the challenge, or can I try to make a new version and post it myself?

AdmBorkBork

01:29

@ГригорийПерельман PowerShell, 26 bytes -- $args[0]-gt0|%{$_+!($_%2)}

Riker

@LuisMendo in spain, do you ever say things such as "googler" or "googleando", in sentences like "I'm googling it" -> "lo estoy googleando"?

in english, it's somewhat common to say "I'll google it, 1 second" or "let me google that" (using google as a verb)

Downgoat

@ГригорийПерельман :O your java teacher discovered Java 8

ATaco

@ГригорийПерельман RProgN-2, 10 bytes. {0<}-{1+}r

Mistah Figgins

@Riker My spanish teacher uses googlear

Riker

hm, cool

argh insert xkcd giraffe comic here

ATaco

01:32

The problem with trying to ask PPCG to do your homework is this is not good practice.

Riker

@MistahFiggins not "googler"?

ATaco

Just because it's shorter, doesn't mean you should ever use it.

Mistah Figgins

it's "googleando, right?

Downgoat

@Dennis idk I'd probably get in trouble if her challenge gets closed

Riker

@MistahFiggins I just say "googleando" on spanish.se, so idk

ATaco

01:33

I think using your hammer to avoid doing your school work is suspendable.

Riker

3

Q: ¿Es correcto "pegarle a un padre"?

A veces se dice en tono jocoso: Es más malo que pegarle a un padre. Es más feo que pegarle a un padre. Para designar algo que es extremadamente malo o feo. Lo que me produce curiosidad es que se utilice pegarle y no pegar (sondeo rápido googleando cada opción). Yo creo que lo correcto ...

gramática objetos-indirectos

Downgoat

@ATaco haha

Riker

> (sondeo rápido googleando cada opción).

Mistah Figgins

if it was er/ir, it would be googliendo

ATaco

When will Australian.SE be a thing?

Riker

01:34

@MistahFiggins oh, good point

ATaco

"What is the correct way to say 'Hello Friend, would you like to go out for a drink?' in Australian?"

"G'day <Redacted>, Fancy a Tinny?"

Mistah Figgins

and with googlear, it kinda separates the parts: goo-gl-e-ar vs goog-ler

Dennis

@Riker Definitely googlear.

Riker

hm, ok

@Dennis do you ever use that in paraguay?

@ATaco when australians break off from the world and start speaking australian, a completely incomprehensible dialect of english.

Dennis

On a daily basis.

Riker

01:36

oh wait

@Dennis lol

ATaco

Clearly you haven't seen a bunch of Australian's having a chat.

Helka Homba

@ATaco example?

ATaco

"Yeah Nah", and "Nah Yeah" are complete valid sentances.

Downgoat

> Does anyone else speak Australian

XD

Riker

ikr

anchorman 2 is best movie

Dennis

01:37

translate: sentance

(from English) sentance

ATaco

Australian Slang is complex enough to have dictionaries.

Dennis

Hey, Bing speaks Australian

Downgoat

@Riker :( Xfinity does not have

Conor O'Brien

ok, this is a pretty cool ad

Helka Homba

Speaking of "foreign" languages xD

Whose Line - Foreign Film Dub - Canadian

►

ATaco

01:39

2

Does not correctly translate Australian.

Riker

@Downgoat youtube does though, if you don't really care about pirating

@ATaco that's glorious

Dennis

@ATaco English (Auto-Detected) citation-needed

Riker

translate: oi mate, wanna head up the bottle-o and grab a slab a tinnies?

(from English) oi mate, wanna head up the bottle-o and grab a slab a tinnies?

:/

AdmBorkBork

@MistahFiggins It's "googleANdo", not "googleanDO" </hermione>

Riker

> hermoine

> oine

oi watch your 'oi's

@ATaco do you guys actually speak like that?

ATaco

01:41

The correct translation is "Hey, do you want to go to the Liquor store and buy a 24 pack of Beer?"

And yes, especially around the more rural parts of the country.

Riker

@WheatWizard quine isn't capitalized, check the body of the page

AdmBorkBork

@Riker Oi vey

Riker

my thought train at that point

Wheat Wizard

@Riker I disagree

Riker

"damnit why does carusocomputing's avatar have to be so similar to AdmBorkBork's"

8

>_>

Conor O'Brien

01:42

Tempted to make a command NO that acts like a negated filter, e.g., $isneg NO

@Riker SAME

Riker

I was in a different tab with desktop notifications, so I only saw the image really

username is a bit hard to read

Dennis

@Riker It's carusocomputing though iirc. And they don't chat.

Riker

huh, didn't realize they didn't chat

but thanks for the name, edited

@WheatWizard <shrug> I'm going by wikipedia, though it doesn't really matter

why would it be capitalized though?

when you're not referring to Quine himself of course

ATaco

Australian Cuisine is also pretty out there.

We range from Vegemite to the Glorious HSP

Riker

I've been to outback steakhouse does that count as australian cuisine

@ATaco vegemite is amazing

people put wayyy too much on though

ATaco

01:45

Yeah, although we do eat it from the spoon.

Riker

@ATaco what's 'Glorious HSP'?

ATaco

It's a great way to kill mouth Ulcers.

The HSP

It's essentially a Kebab in a box.

That's laid ontop of chips.

Conor O'Brien

relevant

Riker

o_O

@ConorO'Brien pls youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s music video is so much better

Conor O'Brien

I neither wish to watch it nor be responsible for its contents

Riker

01:47

o_O it's not that bad

it's got a dude with dancing a fake koala

AdmBorkBork

@Riker It's worse when I go "Wait a minute, I don't remember asking this challenge ..."

4

Riker

eh

@ATaco O_O

ATaco

I love this country.

Riker

@ATaco TELL ME PLS WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES "head full of zombie" MEAN

DJMcMayhem

@LuisMendo Oh cool, I'll make sure to check it out. I like synths a lot, but I don't have a ton of experience with analogs

Riker

01:48

google says high on marijuana, tired, or heat exhausted (sources contradicting each other)

Conor O'Brien

@ГригорийПерельман Stacked, 10 bytes: [0<]1/NO#^ @ATaco

ATaco

Head full of Zombie is a new one for me.

Riker

it's from the song

ATaco

-Shrug-

Riker

> Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie.

Conor O'Brien

01:49

probably just because it rhymed

ATaco

There are slang variations depending on which state you're in.

Riker

oh, wikipedia says it means high on marijuana

Downgoat

People who use return like a function in Java should not be allowed to program O_O

Riker

ninja'ed

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat what?

Riker

01:50

@Downgoat o_O elaborate?

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien e.g.:

Helka Homba

@WheatWizard I re-disagree. "Quine" was originally the name of a person but (for whatever reason) it is not capitalized in modern texts and it's weird to do so (just like diesel or nacho)

ATaco

My keyboard full on derped.

By yeah, that also removes 0.

Conor O'Brien

no it doesn't

it's "remove negative then increment"

Downgoat

public int fib(int n) {
     if (n <= 1) return(n);
     else return( (f(n-1)) + (f(n-2)) )
}

Riker

01:51

@HelkaHomba yeah, that's my opinion also

@Downgoat o_O wha'ts wrong with that

ATaco

Oh, my mistake.

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat oh, people who add parens to return?

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien no parens to everything

like around method calls too

Conor O'Brien

o

Downgoat

parens to return is OK

parens around everything is not

AdmBorkBork

01:52

(j(a(v(a()))))

Riker

(l(i(s(p()))))

Conor O'Brien

(everything)

Wheat Wizard

@HelkaHomba My feeling is that it is a tad disrespectful to the legacy of Quine to not capitalize his word. For the same reason I capitalize Turing Complete or Von Neumann Machine. I also don't like lowercase Qs so that might contribute a bit to my opinion. I don't care that much to be honest I made the edit to fix other stuff that actually mattered.

Conor O'Brien

the queer queen in a queue

AdmBorkBork

quite

ATaco

01:54

Also, Stacked and RProgN2 still tie.

Conor O'Brien

yup

ATaco

I can't seem to golf this down further, not without an increment builtin.

Wheat Wizard

It is also worth pointing out that I am extremely bad at capitalization and frequently capitalize words accidentally without much real reason.

Helka Homba

@WheatWizard I don't really think it's a big deal either. No tough 🍪

ATaco

I too am bad at it, even though I know the correct way to do it.

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