The Nineteenth Byte

Helka Homba

21:01

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Q: What is the orchestral music from the start of Top Gear special "The Worst Car in the World"?

What is the orchestral music from about the first 15 seconds of the Top Gear special "The Worst Car in the World"? You can hear (and watch) it here, though the video may be removed soon. I want to say it's a theme to a movie but I'm not certain. I may have been made specifically for Top Gear.

identify-this-song

Thanks

Jan Dvorak

I can't help but wonder what a challenge by that name would be

Riker

anybody here played dark souls?

any of them

Pavel

Yes

First one

DJMcMayhem

@Riker praise the sun

Anonymous

@Riker 1 and part of 2

Riker

21:08

any good?

friend told me I should get them, been thinking about it

@DJMcMayhem google says that is a meme

so I'm assuming that means you've played them and like them?

DJMcMayhem

Actually, I haven't played any of them. I just know the references

Pavel

@Riker Do you have several hundred hours at hand?

Jan Dvorak

I haven't played any, but get them anyways

Riker

@Pavel yes

@DJMcMayhem ah ok

Pavel

Go for it.

Riker

21:11

with you that's the next most likely option :P

Okx

I got a 3-byte solution to Hack into a Lottery

Riker

@Pavel I have way too much spare time

Pavel

It's the best feeling in the world to beat an area after dying on it a hundred times.

Riker

I've had tf2 for like 9 months and over 1k hours already

DJMcMayhem

@Riker Imagine they you have to beat undyne the undying before starting undertale, and then right after beating her you have to fight sans, and if you die you start the whole game over and then it gets harder. After beating both of them, the real challenge starts. If that sounds fun, you should totally play dark souls

Riker

21:12

o_O

@Pavel is this several hundred per level/area or for the whole game

Pavel

Per area

Game is hard

Game is hard af

DJMcMayhem

It's a very unforgiving game

Riker

@Pavel o_O

Okx

That feeling when you make a 3-byte solution to such a question...

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel We're really selling this well

Riker

21:13

@Okx noice!

Okx

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A: Hack into a Lottery

Beeswax, 3 bytes _M{ Explanation: _ # Create a bee going horizontally across the line, reading the code M # Decrement the bee's counter, which starts at 0. # This will set the counter to 2^64-1, because as bee's don't have a concept of # negative numbers, all values that are negat...

Anonymous

Dark Souls is a difficult game, but a fair game. Every time you die, it's because you did something wrong - the game never cheats (ok except that ONE time).

Pavel

It's incredibly rewarding when you finally pass though.

Riker

> that ONE time

Anonymous

Once you learn how to deal with the various enemies and the environment, it's not too bad

Pavel

21:14

And when you die, you always know exactly what you did wrong, how it happened, and how to prevent it next time.

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, we don't talk about that ONE time

Anonymous

@Riker You'll understand when you get there

Riker

o-O ok

@Pavel that's pretty nice

Anonymous

Riker

does it have a big storyline? which game should I start with, 1, 2, or 3?

Martin Ender

21:15

@WheatWizard nevermind, I didn't see that you addressed both complete and incomplete as part of the proof

Pavel

They're also very good at making sure that you can see and disarm every kind of trap if you explore enough.

@Riker The storyline is a single cutscene at the beggining, and almost everything else comes from exploration.

Riker

hm okay

should I start at the beginning of teh franchise then?

Pavel

Start with 1, it's the easiest to get into.

Okx

the only way to win is not to play

Anonymous

@Riker The storyline is... complex. There are two endings to Dark Souls 1. Dark Souls 2 roughly follows from one ending, and Dark Souls 3 roughly follows from the other. But you can play the games in any order - they're not that connected.

Okx

21:16

best tip of darksouls 2017

Riker

@Mego ah ok

Anonymous

@Okx No that's Global Thermonuclear War

Pavel

1 is less expensive, though.

Riker

@Mego globalthermonuclearwar.net?

Pavel

And the series isn't for everyone.

Best to play it safe.

Riker

21:17

ah ok

Anonymous

What platform are you playing it on?

Riker

mac

ATaco

You probably won't like dark souls at first

Anonymous

I have a PC copy, but I've always had issues getting DSFix to work

ATaco

It was 8 hours in before i realised "Hold on, this is awesome"

Pavel

21:18

The first time you play, be a mage.

Riker

o_O ok

Pavel

It's 80% easier when you can snipe things from outside the enemy's sight range.

ATaco

The other option is dive in blind and let the game punish you

Pavel

If you're stuck on an enemy, make it follow you until the pathing borks and it turns around, then stab it in the back.

Riker

@Mego ??

Anonymous

21:20

@Pavel That's both great and terrible advice. Magic is OP, but spells are hard to come by in the beginning.

Pavel

Your gift at the start of the game should be the master key, unless you chose thief.

@Mego Which is why you want to start with magic.

The Talisman starting gift literally does nothing.

ATaco

Life ring, they won't know the doors to use

AdmBorkBork

@Riker It's a movie reference

Riker

ah

seshoumara

hello

Pavel

21:22

@ATaco Life ring is the second best choice imo, but you should be trying every door anyway, and the life ring doesn't give that much health.

Riker

@seshoumara p/

ATaco

Trying every door will lead him to early skeletons

seshoumara

there's a chat room option named "timeout", what exactly does it do?

Riker

where?

Pavel

@ATaco Not if you look carefully.

Riker

21:22

so TL;DR: yes it's a fun game, open the doors, try to trick the enemies, snipe stuff

seshoumara

click the "room" down icon to get the list

Riley

@seshoumara I think it's only for room owners

seshoumara

on the top left, I was hoping someone knows about it

Riker

yeah, it's only for room owners or mods

@seshoumara it freezes the room for a certain amount of time

so nobody can send messages

seshoumara

it's good there's a timer, since I'd have to ask a mod to un-freeze it

DJMcMayhem

21:26

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A: A guide to moderating chat

What tools are available to room owners? Room owners are users that have some elevated permissions in a chatroom. Typically, they will be the first line of defense when it comes to inappropriate content or behavior in a room. Users will look to the room owners to guide the room. The room owners...

seshoumara

also, after a room is frozen, is it right that it won't be deleted if there were at least 15 messages posted by at least 2 users anytime before that?

Riker

yes

Helka Homba

@Riker already here?

Riker

?

Helka Homba

:p

seshoumara

21:30

great

AdmBorkBork

Programming Puzzles and Dark Souls

Riker

@HelkaHomba I was saying he could move them there, because people tend not to like chatter about stuff not directly related to codegolf

in Programming Puzzles and Dark Souls, 11 secs ago, by Riker

room topic changed to Programming Puzzles and Dark Souls: (no tags)

AdmBorkBork

Good grief, I think it's time to stop working on this lily pad solution ... I'm up to 300 bytes and still running into edge cases where my method doesn't work.

seshoumara

I've recently added a co-owner of bash, sed and dc chat room. In general, if 1 owner modifies chat description or name or RSS feeds or adds more owners, would the approval of the original owner be needed to make the change or not?

Okx

I should give a +100 bounty if anyone can best my answer to hack into a lottery with a competing answer

Anonymous

21:33

I'll move the Dark Souls messages to another room momentarily

Anonymous

Unless one of the other ROs beats me to it

DJMcMayhem

→ 24 messages moved to Programming Puzzles and Dark Souls

Anonymous

...and there it is

DJMcMayhem

That's probably not all of them

It's hard to filter through and determine which ones to keep or not :/

Helka Homba

@Riker Sorry, thought you said dork souls

seshoumara

21:34

what's Programming Puzzles and Dark Souls? Haven't kept up to date with the chat here.

Riker

ah lol

@seshoumara we were talking about the game "dark souls"

it started with me asking whether I should get it or not

seshoumara

@Riker ok, I thought TNB's name was changed

Riker

ah lol

seshoumara

:))

VoteToClose

I wonder if the program in this answer doubles in speed every time you run it.

Okx

21:40

Hm, That wouldn't make sense as the program is the same, but it would sort of make sense since beeswax does modify its own source (I think)

seshoumara

may I get an answer please to my second last question above?

Christopher Peart

I am back

Dennis

Welp, there go 2 hours of my life I'll never get back.

Okx

@VoteToClose ive tested it a couple times and the answer is no

Helka Homba

@Dennis Mr. Wilson lock you in the shed again?

Pavel

21:42

@Dennis What did you do?

Dennis

Outgolf someone who outgolfed me.

Riker

@HelkaHomba lol

Okx

You mean me?

Riker

@Okx which question

Dennis

No.

muddyfish

21:43

Can I have some upvotes on this comment about our policy of allowing duplicate languages?

DJMcMayhem

Me I think

VoteToClose

7 mins ago, by VoteToClose

I wonder if the program in this answer doubles in speed every time you run it.

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis I just noticed that, dang it!

Pavel

@Dennis Which question?

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Yeah (sorry). I made use of a feature I didn't even know my language had.

Riker

21:44

@muddyfish bad link?

seshoumara

In a multiple owners chat room, if 1 owner modifies chat description or name or RSS feeds or adds more owners, would the approval of the original/other owner(s) be needed to make the change(s) or not?

Dennis

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A: Motorcycle gear checker!

Jelly, 17 14 bytes 1;r2ị$¥/CỊ¡o”N Uses 6 for up and0 for down. Try it online!

Riker

RIP

Okx

@VoteToClose I found that it doesn't after multiple tests, beeswax just takes a while to interpet.

Dennis

@seshoumara No, all room owner actions take effect immediately.

DJMcMayhem

21:45

@seshoumara They could do it without approval, but I'm sure the others would change it back if they disagreed

@Dennis Lol, I don't mind. Good work!

I actually also used a feature I didn't know about, but someone else found it for me

VoteToClose

@Okx It's a reference to memes around "The Bee Movie". See: The entire bee movie but every time they say bee it gets faster.

Okx

I don't understand these memes...

VoteToClose

Trust me, no one does.

seshoumara

can a chat room be deleted entirely?

DJMcMayhem

I'll probably add said feature in an official way, creating either a 10 or 11 byte non-competing version (not sure which yet)

AdmBorkBork

21:47

> I made use of a feature I didn't even know my language had.

seshoumara

my last question about chats

AdmBorkBork

Proof that Dennis cheats in his own language.

3

Okx

Tbh, jelly has cheating plastered all over it.

DJMcMayhem

@AdmBorkBork ... That's exactly what I did like 2 hours ago

Christopher Peart

@Dennis what feature?

AdmBorkBork

21:49

@DJMcMayhem Well, then you cheat, too. :p

Christopher Peart

When I get my language up and running I have a few challenges to enter

non competing ofc

LliwTelracs

Dennis adding features to Jelly is "clearly" why I got the message that the TIO api has been updated and I need to refresh.

Martin Ender

Does anyone have a clue why this challenge didn't get a single golfing-language answer?

Feels weird to post the 10th answer after two weeks and beat everyone with Retina. :/

VoteToClose

@MartinEnder You appear to have righted this wrong already.

flawr

@Riker ya now I'm not always online. There are times when I have to stare at math books.

Martin Ender

21:52

Implying Retina is a golfing language...

LliwTelracs

@MartinEnder Golfing languages usually have more difficulty chaining together a large number of conditions?

Martin Ender

So does Retina, but it's possible to break up those conditions into separate steps.

AdmBorkBork

> Feels weird to post the 10th answer after two weeks and beat everyone with Retina.

Proof that Martin cheats in his own language. :p

muddyfish

Pyke doesn't even have an if...else construct it's used so infrequently

Dennis

@ChristopherPeart r casts both argument to int. This is intended for use with floats, but it works just as well when the argument is a digit. It's kinda obvious in hindsight, but it's not intended to work that way, and I don't think I've ever used it.

seshoumara

21:59

@Dennis but if any owner action is immediate, what stops someone to apply a non-owner access to the rest and mess around with the room?

muddyfish

@seshoumara moderators I would assume

AdmBorkBork

@seshoumara Don't make someone you don't trust a room owner.

DJMcMayhem

^ & ^^

seshoumara

sure, I'm speaking generally or for a worst case scenario

DJMcMayhem

Moderators can add/remove any RO iirc.

seshoumara

22:00

good

DJMcMayhem

So in theory there's nothing stopping me from demoting all of the other RO's and screwing with the room except that any mod could immediately undo it and I'd get my slanty letters taken away

Or even a suspension maybe

seshoumara

I'm glad there's redundancy.

Riker

@flawr lol

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem As long as it's a public room, yes. A private one would require a mod from the same site.

VoteToClose

@Dennis I'm curious to know what the sequences/outputs formed by the permutations of various length Jelly programs would be.

seshoumara

22:05

I've looked around and it seems not even an owner can delete it's own chat room? I don't see an option. I am asking out of curiosity.

VoteToClose

Given how incredibly short your programs are, it'd be interesting to see.

@seshoumara Ask Meta Stack Exchange?

Dennis

@seshoumara Deleting a room requires a moderator, or enough time for the room to delete itself.

Christopher Peart

Hello

Destructible Watermelon

idea for that unknown TC status lang challenge: variables can only be named as twin primes

seshoumara

thanks to everyone answering my questions

Riker

22:14

@flawr sorry for the pings

seshoumara

@MartinEnder I liked your answer in Retina about the minimum set of characters that make the language Turing complete.

Christopher Peart

@Dennis may I use your code (1;r2ị$¥/CỊ¡o”N) for a code review question?

I actually have a few questions for them

Riker

you realize you'll probably get ignored if you post jelly code

Christopher Peart

Yeah

Riker

and/or downvoted if it's intentionally to try to stump them

AdmBorkBork

22:16

@DestructibleWatermelon The code only executes if the first line is an odd perfect number.

Christopher Peart

He has explanation that I will link to

Riker

@AdmBorkBork lol

Christopher Peart

(if I can use)

Destructible Watermelon

@AdmBorkBork yeah, that's the obvious answer

Riker

@ChristopherPeart there are 2 things

Destructible Watermelon

22:17

but not very fun

Riker

first, you generally shoulnd't post other people's code

Christopher Peart

@Riker (I feel like I should just go write my own)

I was ninja'd!

Riker

second, what are you planning on posting?

Destructible Watermelon

it's a pop con, and I want the lang to be able to do some things, just not be TC

Riker

jelly code w/ explanation and have them review it?

Christopher Peart

22:17

Nope I actually have questions but I will just go write my own code

AdmBorkBork

@DestructibleWatermelon Could do something like Bubblegum

If the first line is not an odd perfect number, and the SHA256 of the code is foo, then eval it as Python.

New Bounties With No Deadlines

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A: List of bounties with no deadline

500 reputation bounty to the first Turing completeness proof for any answer to this question This is a long-term bounty which I am not making for the "lol"s. I will create a 500 reputation bounty to the first answer to prove the Turing completeness of their program in this challenge - and there...

flawr

@Riker Don't worry, there are actually worse things than getting pinged by cats. @Riker

Christopher Peart

How long should I wait without more feedback to my SB post before posting to main

Riker

lol

@ChristopherPeart how long has it been in

Christopher Peart

22:25

2 days

I am guessing a week or so?

DJMcMayhem

It really depends. There's no magic formula. Sometimes it would make sense to leave it for a month, other posts never need it

Dennis

@ChristopherPeart Everything posted on PPCG is licensed under CC-BY-SA, so you don't need my permission. That said, I'm not sure what you'd ask a question about.

Riker

in response to anybody looking at the front page: sorry to flood. I made about 5 edits, refreshed, waited a bit, and only 2 of them showed up

so I made a couple more, at which point they all appeared

I'm trying to clean up the [tips] questions to be tagged [code-golf] also where applicable, see here

VoteToClose

Wait guys hold on

Why is i^x = cos(πx/2)

I can't find any reference to it online

Maltysen

because i^0=1

i^1=i

i^2=-1

i^3=-i

repeats

VoteToClose

22:35

But it's equal for all reals of x ;-;

Riker

no? it's not

VoteToClose

Not just integers

Riker

it's always equal to cos(pix/2) yeah

Maltysen

@Riker it is

oh yeah that ^^

Riker

but cos(pix/2) can vary based on x?

yeah

but that's not always equal to the same number, i.e. x=1 then it's -1, but if x=2 then it's 1

Maltysen

22:38

@VoteToClose btw you're only talking about the real part yeah?

the imag is sin

its because you can write i^x as e^ix*pi/2

and then apply euler's formula

muddyfish

this is pretty much what I'm doing in maths class right now.

wat

Hey @Downgoat do you know how to set launch options in minecraft for osx?

Riker

beta launcher or normal?

it's in profile on the normal launcher

wat

beta

normal does not exist anymore, if you let your launcher update then it will be the "beta"/new launcher

Riker

ah okay

click the triple bar on the right

see "Launch Options"?

wat

22:51

no

Riker

move to mc room

muddyfish

Could we delete this question as it's acquiring reopen vores when it's blatantly off topic?

Riker

vtd-ed

sorry for bumping

Martin Ender

@seshoumara thank you :)

seshoumara

@MartinEnder I'm thinking of following the same method for sed

flawr

23:05

@Riker This is happening in switzerland

Riker

o-O

10/10 tho

what does it say?

unicorn parking oh

Martin Ender

@seshoumara have you seen ais's Retina answer? That might be more helpful. Mine turned out to be overly complicated.

Riker

@muddyfish 1 more delete vote pls

or mod hammer is good

DJMcMayhem

I don't think it really needs deletion

Riker

it's blatantly off-topic

and acquiring RO votes

Helka Homba

23:12

@Riker It's not that blatant. Where else can they get real-life code golf tips?

muddyfish

@HelkaHomba just because you can't get them anywhere else, doesn't mean it has to be on topic here

I'm not so sure now though - when I posted and voted, I didn't notice the tips tag

ETHproductions

Gosh, I could either reopen it or delete it with a single vote

I don't think I've seen a situation like that before

Never mind, it's been deleted

muddyfish

1 more vote to undelete though

ETHproductions

Fixed

Now the question is, do we reopen it...

Helka Homba

23:29

@muddyfish It just seems silly to me to immediately reject stuff that can potentially grow the PPCG community. Code golf won't look like a very inviting topic to that club if a major code golf community won't help them approach it

muddyfish

@HelkaHomba It has been on the site since 2012 (I'm not going to attempt to VTC or VTD anymore as I'm not sure)

Helka Homba

Oh :o, thought it was recent