The Nineteenth Byte

Pavel

07:01

Pretty good, I owned the W510 before I bricked it by trying to upgrade the GPU.

wat

My grandpa has a W530 with 32GB RAM.

32GB.

Pavel

One of it's corners is bent from me dropping it down the stairs, but it works fine.

wat

He just browses news websites. Wtf

Pavel

s/bent/dented

(Insert chrome joke)

wat

It's the best laptop that I've held

Pavel

07:02

Oh yes.

wat

and he got it for $400.

$400

No one wanted to buy it because it did not include Windows.

He installed Ubuntu.

Pavel

I got mine out of a Microsoft 'used electronics' bin.

wat

how much

Pavel

Free

wat

What the fuck

Pavel

07:04

The previous owner threw it away

I picked it up

wat

This laptop (E6410) cost me $55

WHy would you throw away a laptop?

At least use it as a server or something, set it up as a guest computer, hell you can take off the screen, put it under a TV, and use as HTPC

Pavel

Most of the stuff in that bin is broken, but I pick out anything interesting in case I can get it to work. The laptop was just fine.

Maybe the drive got corrupted and the owner didn't want to fix it? I just wiped it.

wat

I wish I had that kind of thing around where I live

wait, in what approximate area do you live

Pavel

I live in Redmond, WA.

wat

...

I live in Sammamish, WA.

What a coincidence.

Pavel

07:07

Yeah, but I can actually get into the Microsoft buildings because my dad works there.

I have scavenged all the DDR2 RAM

wat

Nice. I've been in there a few times for robotics competitions.

Wait, laptop DDR2 or desktop DDR2?

Pavel

Just RAM in general, but it's mostly DDR2 because that's the kind no one wants.

wat

Do you by any chance have any 4GB DDR3 laptop DIMMs

Pavel

In my W510, yes

wat

the one that broke?

Pavel

07:09

Yeah

wat

k

Pavel

You wouldn't believe the stuff people at MS throw out. I've seen entire old servers that no one wants.

wat

..............

Umm

Pavel

Actually, that only happened once.

It was pretty interesting.

wat

I kinda want to work at MS now, even though I really dislike their products

well, I mean, eventually.

Pavel

07:12

There's also a math club that someone organizes, they let him use an meeting room once a week.

wat

Just noticed that there is a Microsoft sub campus a few minutes away from my house.

google.com/maps/place/Microsoft+Corporation/…

Pavel

MS being near your house is a constant of living in or near King County.

I could walk to MS HQ, MS Cloud Security offices, MS Office... offices all in a couple minutes.

One of the buildings near Cloud Security has a big menacing sign that says 'Physical Security'. I have not been in there ever.

Redmond really is entirely Microsoft though. You're never more than a few minutes away from a Microsoft building.

DJMcMayhem

@wat one of my friends got a job at MS, starting in August.

I'm totally jealous

wat

@DJMcMayhem Neat

Pavel

Oooh, now you get to complain at them when their department messes up

DJMcMayhem

07:22

s/him/her

Destructible Watermelon

@DJMcMayhem s/h//g

golfing

wat

how does "im" make sense

DJMcMayhem

Complain at im?

wat

yeah makes 0 sense

Pavel

So, what department is she working in?

DJMcMayhem

07:26

I don't actually know. I know it's a manager position of some sort though

But it's in Redmond. I'll have to ask her more about it

Pavel

MS is actually a really great company, even if they have had a few missteps recently.

DJMcMayhem

I actually think they've been doing really well recently (although I haven't paid that much attention)

I like their move towards open source

Pavel

Oh yeah, definitely. WSL is awesome.

Qwerp-Derp

Atom doesn't have proper Clojure support :(

mınxomaτ

TIL the FOSS version of Cilk++ now has Windows support.

Pavel

07:30

Huh

MS needs to kill Edge.

With fire.

Like, some of the features are nice, and the interface looks good.

But it's just bad.

Qwerp-Derp

Does anyone here code in Clojure (even remotely) at all?

Pavel

I wrote a program in cLisp once.

Qwerp-Derp

07:43

Hmmm should I use Vim?

For like Clojure, JS and other stuff

Pavel

Emacs lisp

Qwerp-Derp

I have PyCharm for Python and IntelliJ for Java, I really don't want another IDE

Pavel

Emacs for Lisp

Qwerp-Derp

@Pavel That's what I'm going to do

GNU Emacs?

Pavel

Yeah

If you're on Linux, you already have it.

Qwerp-Derp

07:47

I'm on Windows...

Apparently it's 50MB

Pavel

Megabytes aren't that big of a deal.

Qwerp-Derp

True.

Pavel

My C IDE is 70 MB.

Qwerp-Derp

IntelliJ is 700MB...

Pavel

Emacs is (kind of) a eLisp IDE. Makes sense.

Qwerp-Derp

07:50

They're good, but they're also huge

DJMcMayhem

My C IDE is 8 GB lol

Pavel

As someone with 1TB of disk space, I'm finding it very difficult to sympathize with you.

@DJMcMayhem I just have CodeBlocks, nothing fancy.

mınxomaτ

My (still installing) C/++ IDE and Compiler is 30ish GB.

DJMcMayhem

Haha. Which is that?

mınxomaτ

VS15 + Intel XE

But I usually use Dev-Cpp (the other Code::Blocks basically), which ships with TDM-GCC (MinGW). That's just a few MB. Enough to start and finish smaller projects.

DJMcMayhem

07:53

Actually now that I think about it, I have three C IDE's that I switch between depending on what I'm working on

mınxomaτ

Same.

For unix stuff on Windows I have cyg+clang+SciTE on 32bit Windows, and WSL+gcc+SciTE on 64bit.

Pavel

I don't actually write C, I just have the IDE for when I get around to learning it.

mınxomaτ

I don't actually know C, I just write stuff in it.

4

Pavel

I've written Hello World, wondered why it isn't compiling, and gave up.

Though that's probably because my C compiler installed wrong

DJMcMayhem

I mostly use C++/visual studio, but when I do firmware I use C and whatever IDE is from the company the board is from

Pavel

07:56

'cause I'm on a school netbook with really restrictive permissions.

DJMcMayhem

And then vim for everything else

Pavel

I will definitely use Visual Studio when I'm able.

mınxomaτ

Doesn't your school have a central build server?

Pavel

Yes, it has Python and Java.

Which are coincidentally the two languages I actually know, which works out great.

mınxomaτ

@Pavel If it's just C/++ you need, I found CLion to be vastly more capable than VS. VS+Resharper C++ is OK I guess.

CLion is also CMake based, which is many of orders of magnitude more sane than MSBuild's XML mess.

DJMcMayhem

07:58

@mınxomaτ what language do you develop in mostly?

Pavel

Wait, does JetBrains have anything for C/++?

mınxomaτ

Yes, CLion.

Pavel

Oh, there we go.

mınxomaτ

They also make R# for C++. Which basically emulates CLion in VS.

DLosc

@mınxomaτ s/write stuff/improve other people's code/ and that describes me and C#.

Pavel

07:59

CLion does not appear to be free.

30 day free trial

mınxomaτ

Oh CLion is worth every cent.

But yeah, not free.

Pavel

It's $200 a year

mınxomaτ

How much is R# for C++?

@DJMcMayhem C with a pinch of C++, I guess, because work (add here Hack/PHP, and two proprietary languages). Privately mostly C# and C.

Pavel

Oh wait, no, that's for enterprise. Personal use is 90 a year.

That's still a little to expensive for an IDE.

mınxomaτ

I don't consider 90 a year expensive at all.

Pavel

08:03

A hah! Free student edition!

Qwerp-Derp

What I'm really confused with emacs

Kritixi Lithos

That's why you use vim

Pavel

Not for Lisp

Qwerp-Derp

How do I use Cider?

Anonymous

Good grief

mınxomaτ

08:11

@Mego Wait for bellard to implement an RISC-V emulator in PHP, port PHP and run PHPPHP again.

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ That's terrifying to think about

Anonymous

The question comes to mind: how many layers of PHP can you stack until the whole thing topples over? But then I realized the answer is 0 - PHP by itself is broken.

8

mınxomaτ

Reminds me of my port of KVM to PNaCl.

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ You're a madman

mınxomaτ

vimeo.com/181134865

Anonymous

08:14

You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn't stop to think if you should.

mınxomaτ

Sadly Google destaffed the PNaCl team :(

Qwerp-Derp

Screw it, emacs is 3complicated5me

mınxomaτ

I mean PNaCl is basically a universal application sandbox that uses all the network security hardening in Chrome. A standalone version of that would be awesome.

Pavel

This is great. I completed a course at my local college two summers ago, and they never killed my account, so now I'm getting CLion for free.

Anonymous

Maybe I can get on the PNaCl team in a few years (assuming I get hired this summer)

mınxomaτ

08:18

Now I'm imagining mego talking to himself in front of a whiteboard at the PNaCl "team" meeting.

Qwerp-Derp

I need help with Vim

Anonymous

It wouldn't be the first time I talked to myself while scribbling on a whiteboard

Anonymous

It wouldn't even be the first time today

Pavel

You may have noticed that Vim is not less complicated than Emacs

mınxomaτ

@Mego Same.

I actually have a huge whiteboard in my flat.

Anonymous

08:20

I have a moderately-sized whiteboard hanging in my office. I need to replace it, though - it's pretty old, and starting to fall apart.

Anonymous

The many, many moves during college didn't do it any favors.

mınxomaτ

Qwerp-Derp

How do I access .vimrc?

mınxomaτ

@Mego How can a flat piece of metal fall apart?

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ 1) That's a sign of someone being sad about their cube farm job. 2) That URL is pretty interesting.

mınxomaτ

08:22

Huh, indeed.

Kritixi Lithos

@Qwerp-Derp You have to create it

Qwerp-Derp

?? what

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ It's a magnetic board that is whiteboard-metal-cork with plastic edges and corners. One of the plastic edges is broken, and the adhesive that once held the pieces together no longer does.

Kritixi Lithos

At least that's what I did. My .vimrc is located in /Users/xxxxxxx/ directory

Qwerp-Derp

OK the vimrc thing doesn't work :(

Kritixi Lithos

08:26

What do you mean it doesn't work? What did you put inside it?

Qwerp-Derp

Gasp it works!

Kritixi Lithos

Welcome to the vim club! :)

Qwerp-Derp

How do I change my font in Vim?

Pavel

You don't.

DLosc

@Qwerp-Derp I can help with Vim basics, but not anything Windows-specific.

Pavel

08:28

@Qwerp-Derp on Windows, you should use Notepad++.

Anonymous

I'd post a picture, but it has a large and "colorful" note I wrote to myself to remind me to do important stuff that I'd rather not erase and re-write, which would lead to it getting flagged if I didn't erase it before taking the picture and posting it.

Pavel

If you don't want a dedicated IDE, it is almost always the way to go.

Qwerp-Derp

But I can't do Clojure stuff in Notepad++

@KritixiLithos What OS are you using?

Kritixi Lithos

Mac OS X

DLosc

What's the difficulty with Clojure and Notepad++?

Qwerp-Derp

08:31

Does anyone here use Notepad++?

DLosc

I use Vim on Linux and Notepad++ on Windows.

Qwerp-Derp

But there's not a lot of stuff for Notepad++

DLosc

Vim is more powerful, but Vim + Windows just feels... weird.

@Qwerp-Derp Stuff like...?

Pavel

What's wrong with Clojure and Notepad++?

@Qwerp-Derp Clojure definition for N++

mınxomaτ

09:17

Oh man, I completely forgot how awesome TBB were.

Qwerp-Derp

Ah screw it, I'm using Nightcode

Nightcode is actually OK

I have like 1GB worth of IDE stuff

IntelliJ, PyCharm, Nightcode and Atom

I'm thinking of uninstalling Atom in favour of Sublime

Should I use Visual Studio Code?

mınxomaτ

Sublime is better than both Atom and VSC.

Qwerp-Derp

I'm liking VSC already TBH

miles

09:33

atom is a fine text editor but it has really poor performance at times

Qwerp-Derp

I'm liking VSC more and more now :)

miles

I've tried using Clojure before but the cost of reflection piles up and degrades performance in some cases. When you have to use defrecord and type hinting for all arguments, it starts looking less neat and more bloated

Qwerp-Derp

@miles I'm currently using CLJS and Reagent, it eats up my battery on Nightcode, I'm not sure if that's because of Nightcode or CLJS

But I like Clojure, it looks really nice

Destructible Watermelon

goddamnit killed by veteran first round

mınxomaτ

@DestructibleWatermelon Please don't start posting random stuff without context again.

Destructible Watermelon

09:46

ok

grievance noted

Stewie Griffin

Only 28 points and I'll have more rep on PPCG than SO :O

New Main Posts

10:41

0

Q: Finding the xor of given pattern, better than O(n)

Queue To Do You're almost ready to make your move to destroy the LAMBCHOP doomsday device, but the security checkpoints that guard the underlying systems of the LAMBCHOP are going to be a problem. You were able to take one down without tripping any alarms, which is great! Except that as Commande...

programming-puzzle

TuxCopter

12:09

Hallo

LegionMammal978

12:38

Aww, someone got irk.ir before I could :(

> This domain is sold, for more information please contact the number below telegrams

^ Google-translated text

Specifically, I was thinking of getting the e-mail address [email protected] for a certain prank on a friend

...bye

Oh no, minecraft.net has been Microsoft-ized

trichoplax

14:36

Wow. 3 separate +500 exemplary answer bounties on the featured tab...

New Main Posts

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Q: How would I go on about this PCP bruteforce?

Soo basically we got a little extra puzzle from our theoretical informatics professor in which we have to find the acceptable PCP for these values: (aba, a)(a, ab)(bab, abaa) I wanted to write a little programm that could calculate the PCP for me since the PCP is longer than 200! My first litt...

number

Wheat Wizard

15:18

How many tests should I have for a test-battery? Obviously as many as possible, but for my question I have to find each test case and it takes a while, so I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations.

Nathan Merrill

for that challenge: you need quite a few

challenges which are likely to be solved using regex usually need a large set of test cases

Wheat Wizard

currently I have 36 test cases but I am struggling to find more questions where mathematica has a bultin

Nathan Merrill

As per your spec: You allow them to hit the page: but the problem is that "builtin" probably occurs on the page

which means that they could get a really high accuracy simply by searching for that text

Wheat Wizard

15:35

It have tried that and it is not terribly accurate, a lot of questions will ban builtins which creates false positives or mention builtins in other languages. Additionally some of the questions do not have an answer which is just the builtin and thus do not mention builtins

It mostly creates a good deal of false positives

Nathan Merrill

Still, they may be able to identify the mathematica answer, and detect the length of it

I'd personally simply pass them the challenge text + title

(allowing them to parse the Mathematica site is interesting and fine IMO)

Wheat Wizard

Ok I'll think about it. Hopefully I can find enough testcases to make it interesting regardless.

Thanks for the advice

Nathan Merrill

to me, that's the interesting part: trying to parse a question, and identify if mathematica can do it. However, I'm really not sure how well that will work. Like, I'm pretty sure it'll just come down to some weird regex that somebody generates that only matches the pages in question

Mama Fun Roll

hey all

I switched my Mac to Elementary OS

not dual boot, but a complete switchover

Wheat Wizard

15:50

@NathanMerrill Do you think that it might be interesting to have the name and tags of the question instead of name and body?

Downgoat

@MamaFunRoll how is that going? :P

quartata

16:16

Why is Symbol.iterator a thing?

Downgoat

16:27

@quartata blog.vihan.org/special-symbols-seem-super-sensible

quartata

I know what it does.

Why not just name the method iterator, or _iterator

I mean for the iterator protocol they just use .next

So I don't understand why for iterables it can't just be .iterator

Downgoat

Because it's a symbol

quartata

I mean {iterator: function() { ... }} instead of using Symbol.iterator

Downgoat

Read full article

i explain design choice

I prefer it over ______thing_____ or .toWhatever() methods because of lack of ambiguity and weird errors if you happen to accidentally implement those methods

quartata

But then why don't do they use Symbol.next for the iterator protocol itself?

Downgoat

16:37

You mean doing myIterator[Symbol.next]();?

Nathan Merrill

16:58

@WheatWizard that might be a better solution, yes

quartata

@Downgoat Yes. I fail to see how .iterator and .next are different in terms of usage, so why not make them consistent

Downgoat

@quartata iterator is called by the engine, the user should never be calling it, next however is called by user

feersum

If it's not meant to be called by the user shouldn't it have a scarier name? like

$_̵̰̤͔̰̀̿̉ͫ̃ͅ_̮̗̱̘͔̀ͨ̏͑ͤ͞_̰̼̦͎̝͉̞ͨͮ̉̓ͣ̽i̢̹̺̜͓̝t͙̙̰͛͌͘ẹ̳̻̺͕̱̻̀ͦ̉ͯŗ̟̫̤̫̯̮͑̑aͤͨͬ‌̬̦̗͎̮ͫ̍t̴͍̲̣̜̱͆̓̾̓ͪͅō̟̗̲͂̅͒r͈͙ͨͭ̐

Rich Manson

17:32

Hello

Mistah Figgins

Hey

Riker

hello

Downgoat

15

TuxCopter

17:50

What question is this?

Riker

^

Mama Fun Roll

@Downgoat I actually love it

there's issues with battery tho, even with tlp

but yeah things seem to be faster

atom.io/themes/vaporwave-ui

atom.io/themes/vaporwave-syntax

I've made my first atom themes!

Downgoat

@MamaFunRoll is browser and like terminal good?

Rich Manson

18:07

I am going to try and look at my MB setup files and see if my EFI or UEFI is 64bit. @Ramhound suggest it could be 32bit. I know many have had issues with this board loading Windows and that wold explain it. Any suggestions?
Its must be in some kind of machine code that does not open in notepad. The extension is .120
When I search the web it just somes up 'files extension unknown'

Riker

@MamaFunRoll -1 uses atom

@Downgoat what question is this?

at least what site

ckjbgames

18:24

Hello, 19th byte

Riker

o/

Rich Manson

Anyone? Anybody know how to look at a firmware BIOS file? I am guessing that the .120 refers to firmware version 1.2 and may not have anything to do with file association in itself.

ckjbgames

I dunno

Hello @DJMcMayhem

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Golf Me a Bubble Sort Your task is to create a program that performs a bubble sort. For those who don't know, a bubble sort is a simple sorting algorithm where two adjacent items are taken & swapped if they are in the wrong order until all values are in the correct order. Rules You must p...

Riker

"why was my answer downvoted?" "your answer says to parse arbitrary html with regex" "so? that's the best way to do that"

^ real comment discussion on meta.se (old post though)

DJMcMayhem

18:32

@ckjbgames hi

Zalgo

@Riker I͓̹̪ ̳̈̾͐ͧ͗̿̃ͅa̖̹̥̙̥̓͗͊́ͤ̍g̥̻̑̇ͬ̂̋r̖͍̓̊e͇̖̫̼͒̎ͥ̂ͮ͛̒e͉͓̣ͤ͒̔ͪ̔͐̑.̦͈̙̜͕̣̒ ̇̑̒̽ͮT̫̝̼̲͙h͕̮͈̟̪̃͛͒̓â̂̍̈͛̌ͅṭ͎͙̤̳̃̆̅̇ͅͅ'̼͉̠̳̆͂s̞͖̘̹̯͖͇͆͌͆ ̬̼̭̰͚̝ͯ̐͊͊̌ͬ̚t͎͕̤̥̙̤͌͆͌̉ͧh̰̞̾̓e̗͊̿ ̭̬̘̦b̝̬̺̬̞̘͌͐̃͌̒̎̑ȅ̯͊ͮ͗s̙̗̖͎͓̝̏͒͂͊̾̚t̹̲͉̃̅̎ ͍̲̣̤̒wa̩ͤ̑y̬̅̍ͦ̆ͤͯ.̘̦͈͈̭̜̔ͅ

Żáłģó

STOP IMPERSONATING ME

Zalgo

No, you, stop impersonating me

LegionMammal978

Who was with me on the MC server, again?

Kritixi Lithos

How many zalgo/zaglos are there?

TuxCopter

18:34

@LegionMammal978 Me

Żáłģó

@LegionMammal978 "not I", said the real zalgo

@KritixiLithos 2 iirc

well, 1 if you don't count the fake ones

Zalgo

I agree with the false Zalgo, there is 2

Żáłģó

you can't count the false zalgo

Zalgo

So you can't count yourself

DJMcMayhem

Please no socks. It's not funny, only annoying

4

LegionMammal978

18:36

Riker

?

TuxCopter

@LegionMammal978 Cool

LegionMammal978

All cooking stone for stone bricks

Riker

why

Kritixi Lithos

Probably because aesthetics

New Main Posts

18:44

0

Q: Golf Me A Bubble Sort

Your task is to create a program that performs a bubble sort. For those who don't know, a bubble sort is a simple sorting algorithm where two adjacent items are taken & swapped if they are in the wrong order until all values are in the correct order. Rules You must provide a sufficient exp...

code-golf sorting algorithm

Riker

@NewMainPosts next time more than 10 minutes in the sandbox maybe? >_>

aditsu

@DJMcMayhem I took mine off :) also, check your notifications

DJMcMayhem

Haha yeah I saw that

Poof, You're a hexagon!

Riker

lol

DJMcMayhem

> Granny, make me a pie.

> Poof, you're a pie!

quartata

19:04

@Downgoat Why would iterator never be called by the user? In Java and C++ at least I call it often

or rather the equivalents of iterator

aditsu

I hardly ever call iterator() in java

quartata

@HelkaHomba You should really disable offline mode until you set up an auth plugin

@aditsu I personally find a while loop to be cleaner than a foreach loop with a break

aditsu

with iterators you have an extra check for hasNext

I don't even know how you'd write a while with 2 conditions on 2 different things

quartata

while (itr.hasNext() && cond) {

Beats for (Object x : arr) { if (cond) break; in my book

aditsu

but the condition may depend on itr.next().. do you just stuff it in there?

Downgoat

19:15

@quartata its like how you don't call ___add__in python,instead you use +

I think better example is hash but OK

aditsu

anyway, I like breaks :)

New Main Posts

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Q: Implement a Stopwatch

Implement a simple digital Stopwatch, which will display the time elapsed in seconds and minutes, as described below. Display Time elapsed, should be displayed in the MM:SS format, by replacing the previously displayed time string "in-place" (clearing a whole or a part of the screen is also al...

code-golf date keyboard stopwatch

quartata

1. I actually do use __add__ to pass to higher order functions 2. So how fo you get a handle to the iterator instead?

TuxCopter

> By the end of 2017, and with the release of Firefox 57, we’ll move to WebExtensions exclusively, and will stop loading any other extension types on desktop.

whatwhatwhat

Mama Fun Roll

19:35

@Downgoat yeah. Things are way more customizable - but then again, it's linux :P

LegionMammal978

20:04

@TuxCopter Sorry, had to leave for an hour

TuxCopter

k

LegionMammal978

@HelkaHomba wut

TuxCopter

?

Helka Homba

20:22

@LegionMammal978 What?

LegionMammal978

@HelkaHomba When you logged in, you quickly logged back out and in again

Helka Homba

@LegionMammal978 Yes. I was changing a setting.

LegionMammal978

oic

Anonymous

Don't you guys have a room for Minecraft chatter?

Helka Homba

Yes chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52643/open-ppcg-minecraft-server

Anonymous

20:26

hint hint

Helka Homba

Legion probably didn't know about it. That room is only a day old.

wizzwizz4

Can anyone who doesn't mind giving Google lots of stuff please click on this shortened link? I'd like to see what happens.

TuxCopter

k

wizzwizz4

Oh... It's not a rick-roll, unless there's a way to change link locations on that thing.

@TuxCopter You live in France.

TuxCopter

Yes

wizzwizz4

20:34

You'd be interested to know that somebody just found that link from Google.com

Maltysen

20:57

@MamaFunRoll ooooooh pretty...

Dennis

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