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Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
4:01 AM
@Downgoat how do I make it so that npm install also installs the necessary packages? (How do I edit package.json)
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
npm install --save?
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
no, I'm making a package
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
npm init?
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
doesn't add dependencies
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
Oh you want it to look at your source and determine all the dependencies?
That's not a trivial task, I wasn't aware of a command that did something like that.
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
4:11 AM
no, I want to manually add my dependencies to package.json >_>
I just don't know how to do that
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
that's the --save flag that I stated in the first place. As in npm install --save express (downloads express and writes it as a dependency in package.json)
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
ohhhhh
thanks :D
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
np
--save-dev writes the installed modules to devDependencies instead of dependencies, btw
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
what does devDependencies do?
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
quite literally, development dependencies. Ones that aren't needed unless you're attempting to develop on the package
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
4:16 AM
oic
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
So say you publish your package and another developer downloads it. If they run npm install, it won't install devDependencies unless you specify --dev
 
Anonymous
Could a mod close/lock the nominations post pretty please?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
Solution: elect Downgoat as mod so he can close/lock question :P
 
Pavel
Pavel
You didn't even run in the RO election
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
> :P
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
4:31 AM
@Pavel Why should I run when I can sit in my comfy chair
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
So then you don't have to die of diabetes
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
I dunno if goats get diabetes
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Anyone wanna play Minecraft on a new, vanilla server?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
can you make server offline? :3
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
I could
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
4:32 AM
@Downgoat evidently, they do
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
@HelkaHomba that sounds kinda fun
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@PatrickRoberts type 1 is genetic, not applicable here
@HelkaHomba Will join if made offline
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
I'll join either way, assuming you post the IP/domain here
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
define "offline"?
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
"offline" means you don't have to have a validated mojang account to play on it
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
4:34 AM
wait since when did this happen
I've been out of the MC loop for so long
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
offline has been around forever, but they've subsequently made it more difficult to play minecraft in offline mode
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@ConorO'Brien As in you don't need a legit MC account to play. I'll make it offline and unwhitelisted but if there's major problems (i.e. jerks/trolls) I would make it online+whitelisted
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@ConorO'Brien I think last time I played this game was like 3-4 years ago :P
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
lol
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@HelkaHomba IP?
 
Anonymous
4:37 AM
@Downgoat Type 1 diabetes is called "genetic", though it's not necessarily acquired hereditarily. There's a lot of ongoing research into the ways it can be acquired, and thus potential cures/preventative measures.
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
1.11.2 right?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@ConorO'Brien that is version it installed for me
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@Downgoat Still setting it up. Few mins
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
ok cool
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@ConorO'Brien yes
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
4:38 AM
cool, thanks
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@ConorO'Brien Porpoisal: for your shunting-yard implementation. Perhaps use symbols instead of magic strings
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
@Downgoat magic strings?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
like magic numbers, but strings. e.g. "left" and "right"
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
oh, like Symbol("left")?
then have ShuntingYard.LEFT
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
instead you could do enum with symbols as I've described here </shameless self promotion>
@ConorO'Brien yeah
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
4:40 AM
Time to golf with command blocks...
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
@Downgoat yeah, I like that post. :D
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
:D glad you liked it :D
I was going to write a series on writing fast JS code but I forgot...
Though now since I've done digging I should do an article on special V8 debugging features
e.g. natives syntax allows you to do %<some special internal function> which is cool
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
My advice for fast code is avoid function calls as much as possible, and use TypedArrays as much as possible. Oh, and try to keep the amount of variable declarations per scope to a minimum.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
oh I mean like internal optimization
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
(In JavaScript)
Ohh
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
4:44 AM
e.g. V8 GC optimizations. using stuff like %OptimizeFunctionOnNextCall etc.
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
For me, trying to understand V8 is like trying to make the day come when you finally get your letter from Hogwarts.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
O_o
 
Anonymous
@PatrickRoberts What's so hard to understand about vegetable juice?
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
@PatrickRoberts just send your owl
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
The really sad part about V8 is it is used in so much of the web and yet an astonishingly large portion of it's code is undocumented and uncommented
 
Anonymous
4:47 AM
@Downgoat V8's code, or code written for V8?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
V8's code
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
I'm just really bad at learning anything that has bad or no documentation, personally. It takes me hours, if not days, going through just a couple thousand lines of code to get a grasp of what's going on.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I'm thinking of adding a license to my github things now
 
Anonymous
If I have to read code without documentation, my eyes gloss over
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Open PPCG Minecraft 1.11.2 Server IP: 192.99.148.35:26939
10
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
4:49 AM
and it'll be an open source license because open source is fun and good
which one should I use?
 
Anonymous
And I fail to extract any information from said code
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
@DestructibleWatermelon MIT?
 
Pavel
Pavel
@DestructibleWatermelon GNU GPL
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
link(s) pls
 
Pavel
Pavel
It's one of the ones GitHub can generate automatically
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
4:50 AM
> Symbol.for("foo")
Symbol(foo)
> Symbol.for("bar")
Symbol(bar)
> %SymbolRegistry()
{ for: { foo: Symbol(foo), bar: Symbol(bar) },
  for_api: {},
  keyFor: {},
  private_api: {} }
huh cool
 
Anonymous
GNU GPL is terrible unless you're one of those people who sleep with a katana under your pillow to fight off commercial assassins
 
Pavel
Pavel
(too lazy to find relevant xkcd)
 
Anonymous
225
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@ConorO'Brien IP 192.99.148.35:26939
 
Conor O'Brien
Conor O'Brien
@HelkaHomba thanks :D
 
Pavel
Pavel
4:53 AM
@DestructibleWatermelon tl;dr GNU GPL requires anything that implements your source code also be GNU GPL, source code and software is freely available.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
@Pavel what if they just made a short version of it without all the parts saying why each part is included
 
Anonymous
The GPL forces anyone who wants to create a work that uses GPL software to license it under the GPL. In trying to be open-source, it actually closes off rights.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I was thinking of something
 
Pavel
Pavel
MIT license if you want it to be open source but without the GPL restriction.
 
Anonymous
MIT is much better in that aspect - all it requires is that any derivative works must be available under the MIT license (but allow other licenses to be used in addition), that source code is freely available, and that attribution is given.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
4:55 AM
@Mego It could be worse. Could be QPL.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I was thinking of a license where you can do what you want with it, but if what you have done with the source does not qualify as fair use an obvious attribution must be made or something
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
The worst FOSS license ever made.
 
Pavel
Pavel
@mınxomaτ Haven't heard of that one
 
Qwerp-Derp
Qwerp-Derp
Well Cursive is a massive failure, I'm back to using Nightcode for Clojure
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Q Public License
The Q Public License (QPL) is a non-copyleft license, created by Trolltech for its free edition of the Qt. It was used until Qt 3.0, as Trolltech toolkit version 4.0 was released under GPL version 2. It fails the Debian Free Software Guidelines, used by several Linux distributions, though it qualifies for the Free Software Foundation's Free Software Definition; however, it is not compatible with the FSF's GNU General Public License, meaning that products derived from code under both the GPL and the QPL cannot be redistributed. == History == KDE, a desktop environment for Linux, is based on Qt....
 
Anonymous
4:56 AM
I'm not familiar with it. What's so bad about it?
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
slightly confused over difference between gpl and mit, if they both require the license to be the same license
 
Qwerp-Derp
Qwerp-Derp
@Mego Are you talking to me or minxomat?
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
why not both?
 
Qwerp-Derp
Qwerp-Derp
Aren't they all open-source licenses? I don't see the difference between them TBH
@mınxomaτ What's the best open-source license IYO?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
@DestructibleWatermelon They don't. MIT can be relicensed under any other compatible license, even GPL.
@Qwerp-Derp MIT.
It's also the most widely adopted.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
4:58 AM
@mınxomaτ meaning...
I'm confused
 
Qwerp-Derp
Qwerp-Derp
Does anyone use IYO?
 
Pavel
Pavel
Personally I prefer GPL, but then I sleep with katanas under my bad.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
@mınxomaτ what does compatible mean
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
@DestructibleWatermelon I don't know how to make that clearer.
 
Anonymous
A compatible license is one whose terms don't conflict
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
4:59 AM
oh, ok
 
Pavel
Pavel
@mınxomaτ That page turns out to be very uninformative as to what the license actually specifies.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
QPL is basically a last-word license. Anyone that builds something on top of the program is basically working for the original developer for free.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
it is trolltech
 
Anonymous
So it's for people who think they are BDFLs
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
In short: You cannot and must not publish any modified version of the original software. You are only allowed to publish .patch files. Changes must be contributed back to the original, and the original only.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
5:03 AM
so the license basically says you may work for them for free...
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
It's a bit condescending, really
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
say I wanted to make my own open source license
how should I go about that?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
You don't. Just how you don't create your own crypto.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
um, that seems rather different
 
Anonymous
Unless you are a team of talented lawyers and software experts, you don't create your own software license
 
Pavel
Pavel
5:05 AM
'FREE TO USE AND DO WHATEVER WITH IT, BUT IF YOU TRY TO MAKE MONEY OFF IT I WILL END YOU.'
End license
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Unless you have a committee of international lawyers, that's not going to happen.
 
Anonymous
Or if you really don't care what other people do with your software
 
Anonymous
But in that case CC-0 it and move on
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I mean, it wouldn't be too hard to just modify the MIT license slightly
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
There is no such thing as a "slight" modification in legal contracts.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
5:06 AM
@mınxomaτ can't fit crypto <200 words
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
That's really irrelevant.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
@mınxomaτ well, lets say I didn't want people to sell my product
 
Pavel
Pavel
2 mins ago, by Pavel
'FREE TO USE AND DO WHATEVER WITH IT, BUT IF YOU TRY TO MAKE MONEY OFF IT I WILL END YOU.'
 
Anonymous
If you're interested in software licenses, Law.SE and OS.SE are good resources
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I just remove the part that says you may sell, then add a part that says you may not
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
5:08 AM
@DestructibleWatermelon That's not how FOSS licenses work.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I know
it was an example
I wouldn't do that probably
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
I think you are thinking of "shared source". Which is awful, and legally questionable at best.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
well, I wouldn't actually do that
why does it annoy me that the mit license is like a cheating quine?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
MS-RL and MS-PL prevent people from "just" selling your product without modifications, if your product exhibits enough ubiquity to be considered a trademark.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I'm not actually doing that
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
5:11 AM
You asked, that's why I'm answering you.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I'm thinking that someone has to make obvious attribution if the remixed product does not qualify for fair use
it was a bad example
and I probably could have been clearer
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Fair use varies wildly from country to country. Your license would be several dozen pages long, containing many exceptions.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
huh
I could just specifically refer to one fair use document
maybe the one that applies in iceland for fun
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
That document in turn references legal constructs only applicable to Iceland. That's not how law works.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
hmmm
 
Pavel
Pavel
5:14 AM
What exactly are you trying to achieve?
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
what is a legal construct
@Pavel I'm not sure
now I'm just kind of curious
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
@DestructibleWatermelon You are not going to learn what takes many years of education and training in a few chat messages. Any summary wouldn't do the subject justice (no pun intented)
 
Pavel
Pavel
Like, people get Ph.D.s in this.
 
Maltysen
Maltysen
@Pavel but then again, you can also get a phd in Church Music :P
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
This is a good, albeit a bit outdated, starting place: oreilly.com/openbook/osfreesoft/book/index.html. This covers maybe .2% of the subject
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
5:18 AM
how hard would it be to add a part to the MIT license that requires that derivative works must provide attribution to the work being derived?
 
Anonymous
@Pavel Actually no. The rough equivalent of a Ph.D. in law is the D.J.S. (Doctor of Juridical Science) degree.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
@DestructibleWatermelon What? That is the license.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
hmmm
now I'm getting very confused
I am very confuse right now
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Every time you use or modify (or relicense) MIT software, you need to provide a full copy of the license and all original copyright notices.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
yeah ok MIT license is good
I thought the license only needed the derivative to include the MIT license and the disclaimer?
@mınxomaτ this says something like that?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
5:22 AM
??
@DestructibleWatermelon You are confusing copyright and licensing here.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
am I?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Original:

<MIT Fulltext>
(c) everything by minx omat (2010 - 2016)

Derivative:

<MIT Fulltext>
(c) those parts by minx omat (2010 - 2016)
(c) this addition by D. Watermelon (2017)
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
excerpt from book you linked
> The first of these two conditions is almost universal in open source licensing and
serves the straightforward and necessary purpose of alerting future users of the work
of the restrictions on it. (Copyright laws used to require that copyrighted works carry
an explicit notice in published forms to receive copyright protection.) The second of
the two conditions provides the warranty disclaimer described in the previous chapter.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
> require that copyrighted works carry an explicit notice in published forms to receive copyright protection
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
it doesn't mention attribution?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
5:26 AM
Uh yes.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
this keeps getting more and more confusing
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Not really, no
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
the explicit notice refers to the license on the product, how does this relate to attribution?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
You cannot undo copyright. It's intrinsic to everything you create. A license is nothing more than the statement: "You person X, I permit you to use my creation, that I have the sole copyright to, under these terms".
No, the explicit notice is the copyright notice.
It tells you who you are agreeing on the contract (license) with.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
yes, but where does it mention attribution anyway
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
5:29 AM
What you call attribution is the copyright notice.
You cannot redistribute MIT software without reproducing all copyright notices, because otherwise you would imply that you are the sole holder of all copyrights, which is copyright infringement.
 
Pavel
Pavel
Dennis: Ok, I've tested TIO's caching, it seems to be working, here's a test link, I'll push it to main if no one spots an error.
Me within minutes: I ran some invalid python code and it gave the me the results of the Bash `date` command.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
You should really read up on licensing: choosealicense.com/licenses/mit
 
Pavel
Pavel
in talk.tryitonline.net, 11 mins ago, by Dennis
I'll just blame this on gremlins and we shall never speak of it again.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
ok now I understand
I was just thinking
about fair use, and how derivative works on movies and stuff is allowed by default
except when the original work belongs to a big company apparently
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Derivatives works are never allowed by default.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
5:37 AM
fair use or something
 
Pavel
Pavel
Not-big companies can't be bothered to sue
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
All rights reserved is the default.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
fair use applies does it not?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Fair use doesn't concern derivative works.
 
Pavel
Pavel
Like, if anyone ever violates you license, will you do something about it?
It will literally cost you more to file the suit than you will get back in damages.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
5:38 AM
Fair use is for educational or cultural contexts, using small parts of the original work.
Fair use is inconsistent across the world. Copyright is an almost universal concept.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
king.com is pretty much the worst when it comes to trademark law and that stuff
why does the legal system suck so much?
 
Pavel
Pavel
Originally it didn't suck, so people abused it.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
It doesn't suck. Just like medical fields, it requires education to understand, while pointless bashing is easy.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I'm not referring to the annoyance I just experienced
I'm referring to the fact that king.com can send a notice for someone making a game called bubblies
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
King is a UK company. US trademark law is almost the complete opposite of that of the UK, or the rest of the world really.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
5:41 AM
and that person has to have a campaign to get enough money to defend or something
 
Pavel
Pavel
Really? What separates it?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
In the US, you can't "trademark" anything. Something either is a trademark or it isn't. The UK (and the rest of the EU) allows you to register anything as a trademark that you can get past the trademark office.
US trademarks can be pretty common words, while EU trademarks must be at least somewhat specific and unique.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
everything is confusing me right now
 
Pavel
Pavel
tl;dr use MIT
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
I would have thought you would need to apply for trademarks if they were common words?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
5:45 AM
@DestructibleWatermelon You don't get to choose if you have a trademark or not in the US. It automatically is or isn't. You can wave the rights that come with it though.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
wait a minute
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Registering a trademark doesn't give you any additional protection. You can sue people for infringement even if the mark isn't registred.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
oh ok
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Then it comes down to the judge if the mark really counts as a trademark. But that's decided on a case-by-case basis.
 
Qwerp-Derp
Qwerp-Derp
Does anyone know Reagent here?
I need halp as to why this doesn't work
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
5:48 AM
its pretty dumb that a company can go around harassing small companies for using the word saga
 
Pavel
Pavel
It's not completely restrictive. For example, if your trademark is a common word, if someone makes an unrelated product that uses the same name but is clearly different, you won't get sued. For example, you can call your grocery store chain 'Apple' safely, but if you try to release a tablet called 'Apple', there's going to be trouble.
@DestructibleWatermelon Didn't they lose that suit?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Well yes. That's what mark categories are for. These are standardized, thank god.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
@Pavel either way, it isn't easy for a smaller company to muster the money to defend
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
thanks for hosting
 
Pavel
Pavel
hosting what?
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
5:55 AM
Helka, hosted minecraft server
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
um
 
Pavel
Pavel
You should have pinged them, that was pretty no-context
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
^
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
my bad, the server just closed so I wasn't really thinking of making it contextual
 
Pavel
Pavel
@Doorknob @Dennis When is the post for the RO election coming up?
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
5:57 AM
@PatrickRoberts Back up now
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
oh I thought you were done for the night xD
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@HelkaHomba is there a room for the server to discuss?
 
Pavel
Pavel
You could repurpose the one for the TF2 server
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@PatrickRoberts That's Conor. Server will be online at all times (assuming no issues) even if I'm not on
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
oh wow, okay
 
Dennis
Dennis
5:58 AM
@Pavel We haven't set a date yet.
 
Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
@Dennis are you as good at Minecraft as you are at codegolf?
 
Dennis
Dennis
I have no idea. I never played Minecraft.
 
Pavel
Pavel
It's pretty good when you have friends over but I find it pretty boring to play by meself, or even on a server unless I have Discord up.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
 
Pavel
Pavel
@Dennis Minecraft is the best golfing language.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
6:04 AM
@Sp3000 @Mego @quartata @PhiNotPi @Pietu1998 etc. You may be interested in chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52643/open-ppcg-minecraft-server
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
darn unresponsive jquery scripts
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Windows' new directory and file size format is a bit confusing.
 
Pavel
Pavel
I've never seen that interface
What is the 'Easier Vectorization' thing doing there?
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
That's the Intel XE Cluster installer.
 
Pavel
Pavel
6:21 AM
Oh, I thought that was part of Windows, and was a little scared.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
That'd be pretty awesome. Windows 10 Dev edition. VS + Parallel XE. One can dream.
 
wat
wat
6:39 AM
Is is feasible to do a "screen upgrade" of my laptop, from 1280x800 to 1440x900?
The laptop comes in these two resolutions
I found the replacement panel on Amazon already
 
Pavel
Pavel
It's possible
 
wat
wat
Ignore the text though, I have read in many places that they are completely interchangeable
 
Pavel
Pavel
But you will definitely void your warranty, and you might permanently damage your laptop.
 
Anonymous
It would be simpler and cheaper to just buy a new laptop
 
wat
wat
1. What warranty? I bought this from the school district.
 
Pavel
Pavel
6:41 AM
Laptops simply were not built for upgradeability.
 
Anonymous
Assuming that something goes wrong while trying to do the replacement (spoiler alert: it will)
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
@Pavel Not anymore anyway
 
wat
wat
2. Cheaper? How? I can't imagine getting a better laptop than this for <$80
 
Pavel
Pavel
@wat If this is a school computer, you should most certainly not do anything to it.
 
wat
wat
3. This is an incredibly upgradeable laptop. For reference, let me find a picture of the back case
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
6:43 AM
I still have a 2009 Aspire where the CPU, GPU, RAM and HDD are all upgrade-able. A simple PCMCIA card even added two USB 3.0 ports.
 
wat
wat
@Pavel You misunderstand me. This is surplus that I bought at one of their surplus sales.
 
Pavel
Pavel
Ah.
 
wat
wat
The back cover comes off with one screw. The hard drive comes out with one screw as well.
The hard drive's little bracket thing coes off with one screw.
 
Pavel
Pavel
The hard drive is always easily replaceable on any computer, the RAM is usually too. However every other component is likely welded in place.
 
wat
wat
The CPU can be easily interchanged by just removing one screw, taking off hte cooler (4 screws), releasing the PGA socket, slotting in the new one, then reversing the steps.
 
Pavel
Pavel
6:45 AM
That's actually pretty neat.
 
wat
wat
It is
This is one of the most upgradeable laptops I've owned.
 
Pavel
Pavel
You can try to replace the screen if you want, but unless it's designed in a way that it too is upgradeable, you are likely to destroy the laptop. It's probably not worth it.
 
Anonymous
@Pavel You'd be surprised. I once had a laptop that didn't have a removable cover on top of the hard drive or the RAM. Complete disassembly was required to get to either of them.
 
wat
wat
There are actually gaming laptops with MXM GPUs and desktop CPUs that are insanely expensive but even more upgradeable.
@Pavel I have successfully removed the screen unit from this laptop once.
 
Anonymous
Granted, it was quite old, so that was probably a factor
 
wat
wat
6:46 AM
I don't think that replacing it would damage it too much.
 
Pavel
Pavel
Then you know what you're doing, and can go ahead.
 
wat
wat
Also, this laptop screen is also extremely easy to take off (4-5ish screws and the cable). I've even used it without a screen before (basically in the style of old home computers that were housed in a keyboard)
 
Pavel
Pavel
Personally, what I did is bought a monitor and connected it via HDMI. Plugged in a mouse and keyboard, boom, neat two-monitor set up. Unplug everything, boom, portable.
 
Anonymous
Programming on that laptop was always an adventure. I had a very weird bug happen in a program that I spent hours trying to track down. Upon further inspection, the bug was caused by one of the RAM sticks coming loose.
 
wat
wat
These things are basically tanks as well, I've heard stories of them being dropped down stares and completely surviving. (they have accelerometers in the HDD bay)
 
Pavel
Pavel
6:48 AM
Is it a thinkpad?
 
wat
wat
@Pavel yeah but even if it's portable, I would want a higher screen resolution
@Pavel No. Thinkpads are actually a pain to take apart.
This is a Dell Latitude E6410.
 
Pavel
Pavel
I know, I have three bricked thinkpads.
But thinkpads are the ones that I think of that have the 'indestructible' property.
 
wat
wat
Picture of the back removed: (Pulled off a website)
 
Pavel
Pavel
Like, you could drive over a ThinkPad in a truck and the hard drive would survive.
 
wat
wat
 
Pavel
Pavel
6:50 AM
You could drop it out of a 4th story window, and only need to replace the screen.
 
Destructible Watermelon
Destructible Watermelon
5th?
 
wat
wat
I cannot believe that, because I dropped a T61, the audio stopped working, and the hard drive crashed
@DestructibleWatermelon ?
 
Pavel
Pavel
IDK, my friend has only tested floor 4
 
Anonymous
The Panasonic Toughbook line is supposedly extremely resiliant to damage
 
Anonymous
I've never owned one, so I can't speak for the accuracy of that claim
 
wat
wat
6:51 AM
<insert glasses pun here>
also, would it be feasible to replace a keyboard iwth a back lit model, such as this
(The keyboard slides out with, you guessed it, two screws. I've done it before)
 
Pavel
Pavel
Apparently, ThinkPads are used by Nasa in space.
 
wat
wat
@Pavel so if something breaks, they have to remove 200 screws and they get lost in weightlessness?
 
Pavel
Pavel
ThinkPads have been tested to survive being run over by a truck, getting dropped out of fourth-story windows, being fully submerged in water and being rapidly frozen and reheated.
The point is that it won't break.
 
wat
wat
@Pavel Components fail randomly
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@Pavel Mine broke
 
wat
wat
6:58 AM
My Wi-Fi card burned out a few weeks ago.
I had to order a new one to replace it. I got an upgraded version which supports 802.11ac
 
Pavel
Pavel
At least the older large laptops. The netbooks are flimsy AF, those can collectively go to hell.
 
wat
wat
What do you think about W530
 
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