The Nineteenth Byte

Pavel

5:12 PM

@LegionMammal978 Are you still working on Mthmtca? Could it work with Mathics?

Kritixi Lithos

5:23 PM

Does anyone here know how to alias JS' replace function? I tried r=String.prototype.replace but it doesn't work

New Main Posts

5:34 PM

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Q: Guide the Alphabet

Guide the Alphabet Given an array of directions, where the directions are defined as follows: NW N NE W . E SW S SE As indexes (you may use these indices for directions instead of the strings above): 0 1 2 3 . 4 5 6 7 Generate the corresponding alphabet String that represents the d...

quartata

@KritixiLithos That's because it modifies it in-place

Or at least I thought...

Kritixi Lithos

> This site is currently in read-only mode; we’ll return with full functionality soon. Follow @StackStatus or visit our status blog for more info.

@quartata So what would be a working alternative?

quartata

No idea, I don't know any JS

And it appears it isn't in place it's just weird

DJMcMayhem

SE is down. :(

Kritixi Lithos

ninja'd

muddyfish

5:38 PM

I can still click the greyed out login button?

aditsu

T_T

quartata

x="aaz"
"aaz"
String.prototype.replace(x,"a","b")
""
x
"aaz"
x.replace("a","b")
"baz"
x
"aaz"

muddyfish

I can still click the greyed out login button?

and now I'm getting 500 errors

DJMcMayhem

How will I feed my crippling addiction now?

Kritixi Lithos

But simply doing r=replace doesn't work, so I tried out String.prototype.replace

Now, for some reason almost every message I post in chat is being repeated twice (I got a timeout and had to cancel it)

muddyfish

5:41 PM

@KritixiLithos I think that's clientside only. It's happening with me and I'm not seeing 2 messages from you

mbomb007

> We apologize for any inconvenience, but an unexpected error occurred while you were browsing our site. It’s not you, it’s us. This is our fault. Detailed information about this error has automatically been recorded and we have been notified.

muddyfish

@KritixiLithos I think that's clientside only. It's happening with me and I'm not seeing 2 messages from you

mbomb007

@KritixiLithos Refresh the page. I just saw it and that fixed it.

Though new ones still appear twice.

Kritixi Lithos

It happened to me, but the timeout stopped me from posting it

muddyfish

Think of how many programmer hours have been lost

mbomb007

5:42 PM

SE appears to be having problems.

Kritixi Lithos

@muddyfish Are you all right?

muddyfish

@KritixiLithos yes

It means that I should finally get around to doing my maths revision

mbomb007

Can anyone else actually get to the PPCG site?

DJMcMayhem

Oh well. I guess I'll just have to be productive instead

wizzwizz4

Erm... The site's down.

The network's down.

The Stack Exchange API's down.

mbomb007

5:43 PM

:( I just got +10 rep and was about to satisfy my curiosity by seeing what it's from.

Kritixi Lithos

In this time I might just attempt a GO challenge

aditsu

@DJMcMayhem oh no, not that!!

2

... Hello?

the horror..

Is anybody here?

5:44 PM

@wizzwizz4 nope, you're all alone

muddyfish

Oh wow. A proper error. In plaintext

Kritixi Lithos

@wizzwizz4 Can you hear me?

wizzwizz4

I just got a ping.

It keeps echoing my messages, and the second one times out.

quartata

y'all act like you've never seen se down before

Kritixi Lithos

That was me

wizzwizz4

5:45 PM

Oh, hello! You've all appeared again! :-)

Kritixi Lithos

@quartata No really, this is my first time being active when SE went down

DJMcMayhem

@aditsu I know, it's pretty much the worst thing I can imagine

Fatalize

That SE error message is ugly as hell

quartata

Aug 7 '15 at 18:38, by aditsu

abandon all work, ye who enter here

2

aditsu

I was just about to bring a tank to a smallest-weapon fight, again

muddyfish

5:47 PM

The error page is 500'ing and thus we don't get the pretty error message

aditsu

but SE decided to stop me

wizzwizz4

If this is the end of The Nineteenth Byte...

I'll miss you all. :'-(

muddyfish

@wizzwizz4 it was nice knowing you guys

Kritixi Lithos

@wizzwizz4 What do I do with my life now?

wizzwizz4

NY-SQL02 is locked up, we are moving services over now.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on January 24, 2017 at 5:44 PM

They've found the problem! ;-)

DJMcMayhem

5:49 PM

@KritixiLithos not programming, I know that

wizzwizz4

The emergency admin console's up!

codegolf.stackexchange.com/admin.php

"this is fine" still works...

muddyfish

I just got logged out of chat :(

aditsu

@wizzwizz4 still down for me

wizzwizz4

@muddyfish The end of the world is nigh!

muddyfish

apparently a hard refresh worked

wizzwizz4

5:52 PM

@aditsu No, the emergency admin console.

Kritixi Lithos

I think I'm going to solve the "Animate tacky light decorations" challenge now

Fatalize

This site is currently in read-only mode; we’ll return with full functionality soon

quartata

All works fine for me

muddyfish

@wizzwizz4 ahhh. The console that's never gonna give you up

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos You won't be able to submit.

muddyfish

5:52 PM

yay

Kritixi Lithos

It's back!

muddyfish

I'm back

wizzwizz4

@muddyfish I doubt it'll ever let you down either.

Mistah Figgins

I wasn't logged in and couldn't do so until now

aditsu

@wizzwizz4 yeah, it has an internal error, does it work for you?

wizzwizz4

5:53 PM

@aditsu The Retrocomputing one does.

muddyfish

Apparently I have read+write too

now to really get my fastest gun the west

wizzwizz4

We are up in read-only mode, restoring read-write shortly and digging into the root cause.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on January 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM in reply to Nick_Craver

@muddyfish You have write?

Oh. It's working again!

DJMcMayhem

Thanks for linking to a room we can't read :P

muddyfish

A write only comment — muddyfish 12 secs ago

aditsu

ah, the site is back

Patrick Roberts

5:54 PM

patrickroberts.github.io/bean/… I updated my Bean interpreter over the weekend. It supports programs that don't terminate now. It spawns them in a web worker by clicking the "multithread" option. I also have a "format" option that allows JSON.stringify to pre-process objects and strings before printing them

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem What do you mean? I didn't break the only rule of the secret mod room!

quartata

I think pretty much everyone knows about TL.

also you didn't purge the revision history anyways

Patrick Roberts

Is there a single-byte code page that contains only printable characters? I might look into using that...

wizzwizz4

@PatrickRoberts There is.

quartata

CP437

wizzwizz4

5:59 PM

I can't remember what it's called - oh, wait... It's that DOS one...

Ninja'd.

DJMcMayhem

Is there any difference between:

std::ofstream outputFile;
outputFile.open(filename);

std::ofstream outputFile(filename);

Patrick Roberts

Nope

Kritixi Lithos

The bytecount differs

DJMcMayhem

This isn't golf :P

Pavel

But it's all golf.

quartata

6:02 PM

@DJMcMayhem I suspect the latter is more efficient.

DJMcMayhem

Really? Even with stuff like compiler optimizations?

Kritixi Lithos

6

quartata

@DJMcMayhem I mean, we're talking a tiny tiny tiny tiny difference. But most likely.

DJMcMayhem

@KritixiLithos lies! All lies!

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos Can I shrink that image please?

Kritixi Lithos

6:05 PM

@wizzwizz4 Go ahead

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos Done! Minified the image.

Kritixi Lithos

> Image not found

Pavel

I can see it fine

muddyfish

@wizzwizz4 Now I can't read what it says

wizzwizz4

@muddyfish Original here.

Kritixi Lithos

6:07 PM

@DJMcMayhem I removed that news from my feed yesterday, and today yet another "You've shown interest in Golf" appeared >:(

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos Which service are you using?

Kritixi Lithos

Google Now

wizzwizz4

I'm not surprised.

Kritixi Lithos

I know it can take in two words at once for showing suggestions, like "programming language" but it just disappoints me with showing just "golf"

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos It sorts by internal categories. Neither Retrocomputing nor code-golf are on that list.

Kritixi Lithos

6:11 PM

Ah, that makes sense.

But the one thing I like about it is that it gives "recent updates to a page you visit" giving a link to xkcd showing the latest comic :)

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos That's called a feed.

We've had those for decades.

Kritixi Lithos

Simple, yet useful

Downgoat

@quartata you gotta use .call

@KritixiLithos use .bind

Kritixi Lithos

How exactly?

Downgoat

E.g. var f = String.prototype.replace.bind(myString)

or you can use .call as I told quartata for any string

Kritixi Lithos

6:22 PM

Thanks, but I think I will just use replace since otherwise it is too verbose (I'm trying to golf something)

quartata

@Downgoat why

Patrick Roberts

patrickroberts.github.io/bean/… Bean quine :3 (just bored)

Business Cat

That looks unholy

Downgoat

@KritixiLithos create a strin wih replace

e.g.:

a[b="replace"]()

Kritixi Lithos

I will be back in a few minutes

Dada

6:27 PM

anybody knows his way in Coq? (the proof assistant)

wizzwizz4

@PatrickRoberts patrickroberts.github.io/… doesn't work... :-(

Patrick Roberts

@wizzwizz4 you can't execute the function inside itself...

wizzwizz4

@PatrickRoberts I noticed.

Business Cat

Ugh, I was going to use some small caps in my language until I realized a lot of them look the same as lower case.

wizzwizz4

@BusinessCat Use "fool caps" instead.

Business Cat

6:30 PM

What's that?

Downgoat

@quartata because classes are not just namespace factory

wizzwizz4

> A sheet of writing or printing paper measuring about 13 by 16 inches.

Patrick Roberts

An identity program (one that takes stdin and pipes it straight to stdout) is too long unfortunately: patrickroberts.github.io/bean/…

wizzwizz4

Would this program be shorter?

_.join`
`;

@PatrickRoberts patrickroberts.github.io/…

Patrick Roberts

no, same length

Business Cat

6:37 PM

I was hoping to use them for constants. I guess I can always just use normal capitals.

wizzwizz4

@PatrickRoberts So you're going by encoded length, not source length?

Patrick Roberts

correct

wizzwizz4

@PatrickRoberts Aw...

Business Cat

Or maybe like what Jelly does with two-symbol constants

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat Thanks a lot :)

Conor O'Brien

6:42 PM

@DJMcMayhem you know MATL, right?

Business Cat

So all Bean programs require a Bean component and a JS component?

Patrick Roberts

@BusinessCat no, it just allows a direct translation from JavaScript to Bean. The top field is just showing the equivalent JavaScript, minus the implicit input and output

Business Cat

Ah

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien yup.

Do you have a MATL question?

Conor O'Brien

yup

@DJMcMayhem I need to get all permutations of a set of length <N>. (say that its 5) How might I do this? I have Y@ but am thoroughly lost as to how to filter

DJMcMayhem

6:48 PM

@ConorO'Brien I'm not sure what you mean. When I do 5:Y@ it works fine for me

Patrick Roberts

patrickroberts.github.io/bean/… Here's an example where Bean is actually shorter than the equivalent JavaScript, especially when you consider how the implicit input would be handled in JavaScript.

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem I mean, given an input (say, [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]). I want all permutations of length N (say 5) from this input.

DJMcMayhem

Ah. That's nchoosek

@ConorO'Brien 5XN

Conor O'Brien

oh, thanks!

DJMcMayhem

Np

wizzwizz4

7:06 PM

How do we count flags?

How many bytes would -f be?

Kritixi Lithos

@wizzwizz4 For a moment I thought you were talking about chat flags

DJMcMayhem

Either +3 or +1, it's confusing

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem I know that much, but which one?!

Kritixi Lithos

Is there a meta post for counting flags?

Pavel

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Q: On "interactive" answers and other special conditions

Interactive languages (and related issues) have afflicted me with a bunch of gripes regarding character count and program testing. Clarifying these should help coders in other languages like Mathematica and dc with similar issues. (And will also shut me up about it!) How much action on the user...

discussion characters clarification user-interface

Conor O'Brien

7:14 PM

@DJMcMayhem one more question: I am trying to find the number of elements in each row that are equal to 2 or 3. I have 2y=w3=+!s but this feel quite long.

how might this be shortened?

TuxCopter

Hai

wizzwizz4

A HNQ about a company that's named after me! I didn't expect this...

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien how about 2/k1=

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos If you're interested, I needed the info for this.

DJMcMayhem

Or to-2= but that's the same byte count

Oh and s on both of course

TuxCopter

7:30 PM

Wait, I tought the consensus for flags was 1 byte per flag?

Wheat Wizard

@TuxCopter Its 3 bytes for the first flag and 1 for each one after that. Some languages have a flag by default that is not counted thus it is +1 for each flag. It is essentially how many characters the flag adds to the command line.

TuxCopter

oh ok

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem thanks, this works good. Nice for general pairs of numbers, too

SEJPM

... Would a context-free language recogniser be ~~accepted~~ well-received as a challenge?

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard I've started counting brain flak flags as +1 because it can be added to -f which is standard invocation

Wheat Wizard

7:41 PM

@DJMcMayhem I only do that for challenges that take input. For things with no input (Kolmogorov complexity and Quines) I do +3

@SEJPM What do you mean?

SEJPM

@WheatWizard you get a context-free grammar and a word and have to decide whether the grammar covers the word, would you (or the community in general) like this as a challenge?

Conor O'Brien

how would a quine with a command line argument work? would it have to output the argument? or would it function as normal

Wheat Wizard

@SEJPM I would be surprised if it has not already been done. I think it would be a fine challenge

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Q: Command-line flags in quines

For languages that use command-line flags to modify their behavior, these flags are generally added to the byte count. But I don't see a ruling on what to do with command-line flags in quine challenges. I.e. suppose this was a quine: perl -ne 'quine_program'. I see a few options: Output the fla...

discussion

SEJPM

@WheatWizard damn, my search skills indeed sucked, it already has been done :( codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/7263/55329

Conor O'Brien

@WheatWizard oh fantastic, thank you

DJMcMayhem

7:51 PM

@ConorO'Brien are you writing a PPCG answer?

Conor O'Brien

oh, no. I'm mainly doing this just to learn the language

that is, generating all combinations of 5-card hands and choosing those with two kings and two queens.

sure, there's a closed form, but that's tangential to the experience :P

TrojanByAccident

@ConorO'Brien what language are you using?

Conor O'Brien

MATL

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien You might have already seen this, but there's matl.suever.net which is better than TIO because it has docs too

ATaco

Arguably, better. ;)

SEJPM

8:03 PM

oooo, just had a new challenge idea :) Letting people generate a CYK-Table :) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYK_algorithm

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem yeah, was using that, thanks :)

Poke

8:30 PM

tfw "|" is not a legal character in a URI but works fine in a URL (as far as Java is concerned)

argh

Business Cat

When I first read CYK I thought it was CYMK...

SEJPM

@BusinessCat :P

aaaand written down :)

Pavel

8:50 PM

@Poke Aren't URL and URI the same thing

Anonymous

@Pavel Nope

Anonymous

A URL is a type of URI

Anonymous

A ISBN is another type of URI

SEJPM

@Mego so the URI is the base-class for anything that identifies stuff with text?

Anonymous

@SEJPM Essentially yeah. It's the umbrella standard.

Poke

8:54 PM

yeah there are a ton of URI standards

URL and URN are more common

as is ISBN as Mego pointed out

Pavel

I just checked SO, apparently an ISBN is a kind of URN.

Poke

@Pavel tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3187

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Compute the CYK-Table! code-golfgrammars Context-Free Grammars A context-free grammar is a grammar consisting of rules from one variable to a list of variables and symbols. Every string purely consisting of symbols that can be produced using these rules is said to be accepted by the language...

Anonymous

@Pavel Which is a type of URI

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9:09 PM

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Q: Negative Space Graphs

Task You will be given a positive integer and you must output a "self-complementary graph" with that many nodes. If you don't know what a self-complimentary graph is the wikipedia article wont help you much so below are two explanations, a technical and a non-technical one. Non-Technical A gr...

code-golf graph-theory

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Physical String Length Given the following information: (String) s - A string to be printed. (int) f - The font in which it is to be printed. (int) pt - The size of the font in which it is to be printed in pts (no decimals). Output: The physical length of the string (how many pixels...

Nathan Merrill

9:36 PM

If google's homepage (google.com) went down, how long would it take you (personally) to notice?

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill I'd probably notice the nuclear war going on outside within a few minutes

SEJPM

@NathanMerrill minutes to hours depending on time of day

Nathan Merrill

or, better put, if I blocked the url google.com on your computer, how long would it take for you to notice :P

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Instantly

Nathan Merrill

@SEJPM really? you visit their homepage that often?

TrojanByAccident

9:38 PM

@Mego Same

SEJPM

@NathanMerrill I use the search-sidebar tool + it's my start page for FF

Anonymous

You'd have to physically be at my computer to make the change, so I'd notice the stranger in my apartment

Nathan Merrill

lol

SEJPM

@NathanMerrill until I checked my connection is fine and I used bing to find a "is it down for you too service"

Anonymous

And I live in Texas, so I'd ask how you got into my apartment after aiming a gun

wizzwizz4

9:40 PM

@Mego Is it custom built?

Can you actually pull the trigger, or is it just to scare people?

A penguin with a gun is pretty scary...

DJMcMayhem

I found a picture of Mego IRL

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Delete this PII please

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem That's obviously a sketch.

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 Neural interface. Playing FPS games is tricky and expensive.

wizzwizz4

Probably on commission.

Pavel

9:42 PM

@NathanMerrill a few months at least, maybe never.

wizzwizz4

@Mego With a neural interface you'll have great reaction times.

TrojanByAccident

@wizzwizz4 It's just a low quality picture, the camera was acting up

wizzwizz4

@TrojanByAccident Oh. :-/

TrojanByAccident

mhmm

Anonymous

It was an Instagram filter

Pavel

9:45 PM

@Mego do most people in Texas actually own guns, or is it just a stereotype?

Anonymous

@Pavel Both

Anonymous

It's exaggerated, but not by much

Pavel

I live in western Washington, where most people are very much for gun control. My friend's dad own a rifle, and I've noticed people who know that try to avoid him.

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Q: War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength

As George Orwell wrote in 1984: War is peaceFreedom is slaveryIgnorance is strength Similarly, today, falsehoods are core presidential beliefs. Write a program or function that takes in one of the six main words from the Orwell quote and outputs its counterpart. Specifically: [input] -> ...

code-golf string kolmogorov-complexity

DJMcMayhem

@NewMainPosts is this a challenge or a political jab?

Anonymous

9:58 PM

@DJMcMayhem Seems like the second. I edited the politics out. Shame on you, @HelkaHomba

SEJPM

@Mego insta-rolled-back

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba Really? You're going to start an edit war over that? You should know better. PPCG is a place for challenges, not political soapboxing.

Helka Homba

@DJMcMayhem Both

Anonymous

If you want to voice your political opinions, find a more appropriate place than in a challenge.

ATaco

Flagged it.

SEJPM

10:02 PM

@ATaco for being political?

ATaco

Entirely.

Taking a jab at current events is fine, but arguing a political view is the realm of a different SE

Martin Ender

@ATaco I'm not extremely familiar with politics.SE, but I imagine that "arguing a political view" is not appropriate there either.

ATaco

Probably, being a zealot of your political views is rarely acceptable anywhere.

Helka Homba

@ATaco My only view in that post is that Trump's widely debunked claim makes as much sense as the Orwell phrases.

ATaco

A view that you refuse to remove, one that is not needed.

Martin Ender

10:12 PM

If you posted that challenge to express that view as opposed to posting a good challenge, then... you shouldn't have posted that challenge...

ATaco

Regardless, I'm not the one to administer judgement. That's up to the mods.

Helka Homba

@ATaco No! You are welcome to have opinions, use close votes, etc. My view is that democracy is good.

Anonymous

@Dennis Thank you for the rollback

Martin Ender

@HelkaHomba How do you jump from "democracy is good" to the conclusion that "using a PPCG challenge as a platform for my views is a good idea"?

quartata

@Downgoat ...and?

I mean I'd expect String.prototype.replace to take in the three strings

since it is the method right

LegionMammal978

10:19 PM

@Pavel Mathics? What's that?

Helka Homba

@MartinEnder Honestly, I posted it in hopes to make more people aware of the voter fraud debate between Trump and (most) of the rest of the government+media, just like I might post about some math topic to make more people aware of that math topic. I realize I'm likening Trump to a dystopian society, but so be it if what he says mirrors a dystopian society.

Martin Ender

How is raising awareness for a political matter remotely the same as raising awareness of a mathematical topic?

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba This is a site for programming challenges, not for raising awareness for a political topic.

ATaco

See, That's a political view that you're sharing. Without that, this challenge is fine. Putting a narrative behind a challenge is fine too, but you're spreading a political opinion.

LegionMammal978

^, ^^, and ^^^

Helka Homba

10:22 PM

@MartinEnder More people will talk about the matter in either situation. That's how they are the same.

Anonymous

Politics shouldn't come into play in PPCG challenges - especially hot-button issues that are only going to lead to controversy and vitriol.

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Dennis

@HelkaHomba Please keep your challenge free of political statements. Thank you.

13

Timtech

How do content disputes work

Anonymous

It's insane to me that this discussion even needs to be had

ATaco

^, At the very least this challenge does seem to have had the view removed. And look, the upvotes come climbing back.

Helka Homba

10:24 PM

@Dennis Too late codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/98968/go-out-and-vote

ATaco

That didn't spread a political statement.

Surprisingly, it simply said that politics exist, and used it as a narative.

quartata

@HelkaHomba That's bipartisan though

Dennis

@HelkaHomba Go out and vote is more of a reminder than a political statement. Go out and vote for X would have been closed immediately.

Anonymous

Voting is good. Bashing a political figure is not. End of discussion.

Anonymous

Be Nice.

Gareth

10:28 PM

@Mego Bashing a political figure is not good? So regardless of what they say or do, we have to accept it and not criticize? What if the political figure is a dictator advocating genocide?

feersum

Surely said dictator will reconsider his actions if he realizes he's being criticized in an online chatroom.

10

Dennis

There's nothing wrong with criticizing political figures. Just don't do it as part of a PPCG challenge.

10

Martin Ender

And especially don't post a PPCG challenge for the sole purpose of criticising political figures. Post good challenges.

14

Gareth

I never said people should, but Mego was saying that no criticism of political figures should ever happen.

Martin Ender

(I don't even think this is a bad challenge, but Helka explicitly said, he'd rather delete the challenge than remove the criticism.)

Anonymous

10:30 PM

@Gareth I never said you have to accept it. Plus, there's a considerable difference between bashing and criticizing. PPCG challenges are not the appropriate place for either.

Gareth

That's obviously absurd.

Anonymous

@Gareth You clearly did not read what I said, and definitely did not take the context into account.

quartata

@Mego Can you add APL to your code page keyboards?

Gareth

@Mego you said, and I quote: "Voting is good. Bashing a political figure is not. End of discussion."

Timtech

Hey @Gareth the second letters of those words almost spells your username

Anonymous

10:32 PM

@quartata Probably. Can you get me a reference for the code page(s)?

quartata

Yeah one second

Pavel

@LegionMammal978 It's essentially a free version of Mathematica, with some features missing. It's like what Octave is to MATLAB.

Anonymous

@Gareth within the context of PPCG challenges

Helka Homba

@Mego PPCG may not be be the place, I concede that, but I was hardly bashing. I was giving attention to a political issue I feel is important: that the US president believes in baseless claims and repeats them to the people.

Peter Taylor

The place to give attention to that is on your Facebook / Twitter feed

ATaco

10:34 PM

You did not need to do that, and it's not the place to do that.

Anonymous

@PeterTaylor Exactly. This isn't Facebook/Twitter/Reddit. Keep politics out of challenges.

Gareth

@Timtech I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Q: Output a program that outputs a program

Challenge: Write a code that, when executed will output the source code of a second program that can be executed in another language. The second program should output the source code of a third program that can be executed in a third language and so on. The last program should output PPCG with a...

code-challenge code-generation

Timtech

@Gareth The six words in the challenge you were discussing

TrojanByAccident

@NewMainPosts Hasn't this been done before?

Gareth

10:43 PM

@Timtech I'm not discussing a challenge. The challenge that was tangentially related to the argument spells out aserslgst. I still have no idea what you mean.

quartata

@TrojanByAccident yes

Let me find it

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Q: Rube Goldberg Hello World

For this golf, you will need to use more than one language. The task A Rube Goldberg machine is a contraption that takes an enormous number of complicated steps in order to execute a very simple task. The goal of this golf is to output Rube Goldberg... but not directly. The machine Your "mach...

code-challenge hello-world code-generation

different scoring

Timtech

Alright nevermind then, sorry , I was referring to codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/107937/…

feersum

@NewMainPosts I dislike questions like this which are only about doing an unbounded amount of work.

The task of outputting a fixed string is trivial and there is only the tedium in doing it in more and more languages.

ATaco

Pinging NewMainPosts is a bit of a waste...

quartata

@xnor hahahaha that cop answer you linked was great

TrojanByAccident

10:46 PM

@ATaco We just do that so others know which post we're referencing

ATaco

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TrojanByAccident

Can someone give me the value of "PPCG" in bf?

feersum

[-]

TrojanByAccident

nvm

Downgoat

11:00 PM

@MartinEnder there goes the evil sheep challenge...

wat

@TrojanByAccident +[,.]

Helka Homba

@MartinEnder @Dennis Can a period be added to the end of the title of codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/107937/26997 to make the 3 title phrases symmetric? I would have done this earlier if I had noticed. Edits I make now are not applied.

TrojanByAccident

@wat Haha, very funny. I already got it anyway

Helka Homba

Or does that fall under the trivial edit rules >.>

Martin Ender

@HelkaHomba there's a good chance that SE strips periods from the end of titles.

Helka Homba

11:07 PM

Oh, maybe

Indeed they are, nevermind

Peter Taylor

11:20 PM

I've started a chat room for the derangements question at chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52408/cyclic-mutual-derangements , although I'm off to bed now so I won't see replies for a few hours.

VoteToClose

11:31 PM

(actually code related): Tell me when you see it.

quartata

The heck?

DJMcMayhem

Well that's obnoxious

VoteToClose

@quartata Did you see the eye?

quartata

No I closed it because I didn't care

VoteToClose

No? okay

I haven't looked through the full sources yet, but there are weird things going on on that page.

New Main Posts

11:43 PM

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Q: Output programming language name

Challenge: In the programming language of your choice, take no input and output your programming languages name. Fair enough, right? Restrictions: You can't use any character that is included in your programming languages name, in your code. EG, if I wanna use Batch, I must not use chars 'B'...

code-golf string kolmogorov-complexity restricted-source

VoteToClose

The page is packed with illuminati references. o.o

Christopher Peart

11:59 PM

I have yet to learn a golf language and want to learn one. Any recommendations?

Pavel

@ChristopherPeart Jelly is the golfiest golf language.

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