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Closely followed by 01EAB5
(I think it's called?)
05AB1E
Thanks (anymore I would love to know)
@Pavel That's it. I always get the order wrong.
Actually, CJAM
V
@Pavel As in, the language "Actually", and "CJam".
00:02
@ChristopherPeart RProgN, Everyone should speak RProgN.
Can I get links since these are kinda hard to find
Jelly and O5AB1E I found
00:04
@Ramanujan oh hello
@VoteToClose hi
Should I compile these and post in meta or nag?
@ChristopherPeart There's already a post for it. :P
Really? Never found one
00:06
RProgN2 (Which has all the documentations, thanks ATaco)
2
RProgN2 is bad and isn't complete.
Looking at each one and giving it a maybe or a no
@ChristopherPeart I'd recommend V but I'm obviously biased :P
:P I wonder why?
That's probably for the best, RProgN is consistently average
00:17
The final 3 are Jelly, V, and 05AB1E
Jelly will be the hardest to learn, but with the best payoff.
Looking at it and already getting a headache
Although V will destroy Kolmov questions.
05AB1E is a pretty good middle ground.
Right now V isn't very user friendly. I've been planning a major update for a while that'll make it easier to learn/use
Yeah I don't use/know vim
00:21
@ATaco idk, Osabie is pretty competitive at kolmo codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/107947/31716
V is great for a really small subset of challenges
Gah
Jelly and 05AB1E are both super crazy
But I want to know them
@ChristopherPeart Why not just learn a bunch of them? MATL is super easy to start with
I find RProgN is like the lovechild of CJam and Lua. Where RProgN usually has more builtins than CJam, they're also longer, and it's a tad more Verbose.
Charcoal is made for Kolmogorov-complexity.
On the other hand, it's pretty bad at most other things and is similarly poorly documented.
I find it best to write your own language.
But I wrote my own langauge, so I'm baised.
00:26
:P what did you write?
RProgN right?
That takes effort, and won't beat Jelly
ATaco wrote RProgN
Yeah, RProgN.
It beat Jelly's quine!
Mind, Dennis also wrote that quine...
I'm actually probably going to write a new language some time in the next week or so
I wrote del|m|t recently, i agree - code your own language
00:27
Or make a Psudo language. :P Just add a ton of answers to questions
But if Dennis wasn't outgolfing me at my own language I'd think the language was wrong.
I don't do too well with most challenges
but I'm doing decent with the program to output another program thingy
@ATaco I learned that fast
@ATaco Jelly's quine is also 3 bytes iirc
Alright, It used to beat Jelly's.
00:32
What is a quine?
Also how do you compress strings in jelly?
A program that prints its source-code, without just straight up reading itself.
In Lua, s="s=%qprint(s:format(s))"print(s:format(s)) is a quine. As an example.
Or 2i2i in V
Or 1\n1 in RProgN.
00:35
That one's a little cheaty
It technically counts.
It's printed backwards, to the first 0 encodes the second one.
Until Payload Capable overtakes Separate parts, It's valid.
Anyway how do I compress jelly strings?
@ChristopherPeart if you're new here, it might mean you are yet to discover tio.run/nexus. It is your friend, it will work on basically any device and supports all the languages.
Everything but Mathematica.
00:38
@ATaco That changes soon.
Give me Mathematica, I need it
Not quite Mathematica, but close enough.
Don't forget to Donate to TIO if you love it like I do.
I am poor tho
@ChristopherPeart Well, that's not a polite question to ask.
00:40
Aug 5 '16 at 22:54, by Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
CMC: Crack bitcoin, make a ridiculous amount of money, and donate all of it to TIO.
@Dennis how do you have the time for TIO?
DJMc great idea
Halp
Jelly is hard
:34992907 He's magical
ahh
Is he a UNICORN
??
Potentially.
@ChristopherPeart He doesn't write the interpreters himself, all he does is implement other people's on the server
00:43
There needs to be a gold badge for out golfing Dennis.
But only in jelly
You can ask him to add a language and it will be added within minutes, if he's at home a lot of the time.
But yeah, Dennis is basically our own version of Jon Skeet
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I'm happy to call Dennis our Jon Skeet.
Can I get help on compressing jelly strings?
00:45
I think I hear Martin sobbing
I'm sorry Martin, You don't run TIO.
Martin is really cool
(Does chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/34992931#34992931 show up as numbers for anyone else? How did I fail at responding ._.)
He wrote Retina.
@HelkaHomba It does
00:47
He has one of my favorite answers on the site (and probably the answer that convinced me to join)
@HelkaHomba You pointed to a message that has since been deleted?
@Pavel Oh, course. I though I had replied to a different one
So I can't find several things in jelly
1: output
2: strings and compressing them
Output is iirc
Although it outputs implicitly at the end of execution
@MistahFiggins I'm so happy to hear you joined because of one of my challenges. :)
00:50
Thanks Pavel
@Pavel That's not why. I've done the same and not gotten numbers
Trying to figure out strings in jelly
@MistahFiggins True. Despite my disagreements with them, both Martin and Dennis are very great community members for contributing so much.
@TrojanByAccident You have to refresh the page
Ah found the compress
00:52
We need a name for the day Dennis overtakes Martin in rep. Like DoM's day.
How about: Day that the Unicorns took the lead from the Fish
how about tuesday
if it happens to be one
@ChristopherPeart Is martin a fish? I thought he was german.
Ok
I think he is a fish
I like how Dennis' location is listed as TNB
00:54
All we know about Dennis is that he lives in South America and shares a timezone with Greenland.
@ChristopherPeart a ><>?
@MistahFiggins That's got to be @Sp3
@ChristopherPeart Begins a String literal. terminates a string literal, or is a character literal if there is no open string to close. » terminates a dictionary compressed string.
00:57
@Pavel It works. Watch this.
I personally prefer Befunge to ><>, despite the DISTINCT LACK OF MIRRORS!!!!
*shrugs*
Gah
Still can't figure out how to use codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/70916/… to compress strings
(I don't know Python)
@ChristopherPeart Dump the entire block at the top into a python shell
Then execute Compress().dictionary('foobar')
I think it's not more complicated than that.
01:34
Idea: A Scooby Doo remake where the main characters are IRS auditors investigating fraud
@LegionMammal978 Did you look at Mathics? Mtchmtca could be a really popular golfing lang if it didn't require software that costs hundreds of dollars.
Why can't someone just write a Mathematica interpreter?
They did. It's called Mathics.
tf, someone keeps voting up all my posts
02:02
It's OK, it'll get reverted if it's the same person
(and of course the person will earn a nice fat suspension most likely ;))
@quartata Apparently it's been going on for a few day. Serial voting reversal happens really quickly.
@Pavel That means it's different people
@Oliver Just means people like your posts
@TrojanByAccident No, they're all at the same time. It's the same person.
At least in the case of Oliver
@Oliver that looks really really fishy. That's not a good thing
@quartata e.e you really don't know that
02:06
Let's say I'm employing full use of my educated guess psionics.
No matter how fishy it looks, there's a chance it's perfectly genuine
Btw, what do you guys think of my including code links in my answer?
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A: Output a program that outputs a program

TrojanByAccidentJava --> C --> Ruby --> /// --> Python 3 --> Batch --> JavaScript --> BrainFuck (8 Languages) Click the language names for the code through each execution, except for Batch, because I couldn't find an online interpreter for it. class Main {public static void main(String[]args){System.out.pr...

@TrojanByAccident That's great, but TIO links are preferred.
@Pavel I actually can't access TIO from this computer
rly
ye
school laptop
02:09
How does the filter even know about TIO.
@Pavel It's blocked as uncategorized
I'm assuming it's whitelist, not blacklist
I'm so sorry
@MistahFiggins eh?
02:10
About the whitelist
oh yeah, that's sad.
@TrojanByAccident is it a chromebook?
@NathanMerrill ThinkPad
so, windows os?
yeah
I mean, I can access the Admin account and disable blocking and stuff for my account
but i don't really want to do that
02:14
fair enough
You can clone the hard drive and restore it when you need to turn it in.
The computers at my school all have mouse acceleration turned on by default and no obvious way to turn it off... shudder
its not always about not getting caught
^
Also, sure, I'm going to clone a ~200 GB worth hard drive with a 32 gig flash drive
Someone is spamming stars again ;-;
02:16
Star spammer, don't star this.
Thanks, RO!
My pleasure.
I want to see something, can someone come with me to sandbox to star a message of mine?
Sure
@TrojanByAccident if you give me a link to the sandbox
02:21
@DJMcMayhem It's fine, pavel's got it
02:34
Just curious, what was the challenge that prompted the whole argument over politics in challenges?
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Q: War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength

Helka HombaAs George Orwell wrote in 1984: War is peaceFreedom is slaveryIgnorance is strength Write a program or function that takes in one of the six main words from the Orwell quote and outputs its counterpart. Specifically: [input] -> [output] war -> peace peace -> war freedom -> slavery slavery ->

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Q: Fastest Home Prime Generator

Noah LWhat is a home prime? For an example, take HP(4). First, find the prime factors. The prime factors of 4 (in numerical order from least to greatest, always) are 2, 2. Take those factors as a literal number. 2, 2 becomes 22. This process of factoring continues until you reach a prime number. numb...

@LegionMammal978 but it is fictional politics ._.
@Downgoat Look at the edit history...
02:40
O_O wow OK that was blunt
Question: how to tell bison to always shift for a specific token?
Okay, wow
never seen someone rollback a moderator's rollback
twice
Yeah, that's just asking to have your post be deleted.
And a suspension
@TrojanByAccident ? He only rolled back Dennis's once
@quartata nvm
they rolled back the edit removing the political stuff twice, though
I finally have a Working Markov bot in Beep Boop.
I've taught it everything I can about cheese.
02:50
@ATaco thank you.
@Adnan you wrote 05AB1E, right? I think you could improve your dictionary by removing all words that don't actually save any space. (And words like "a" and "i" are worse to use the dictionary for)
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Q: Shutdown the computer!

P. KtinosChallenge: In the programming language of your choice, shutdown the machine that your code was executed on. Rules No shutting down by resource exhaustion (eg: forkbomb to force shutdown) You are allowed to write code that only works in a specific environment/OS, if you wish. Standard loophole...

for this challenge can I put an answer that crashes the system?
03:09
> No shutting down by resource exhaustion (eg: forkbomb to force shutdown)
@TrojanByAccident right, but there are other ways to crash a system besides resource exhaustion
@AshwinGupta That's what they meant, though
@AshwinGupta it looks like the answer is yes
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A: Shutdown the computer!

12Me21SmileBASIC (3.3.2), 14 bytes READ VAR(A)[0] Triggers a crash causing the 3DS to restart. I hope this counts.

@NathanMerrill example would be killing wininit.exe or similar task
in batch ofc
03:11
Alright, yeah, the OP has said it's okay
so don't mine me lol
Awesome
k guys brb
ive gotta try it really quick
Apple Music just rickrolled me...
@Downgoat it's better than steamrolling you?‮
wait are windows task ids fixed?
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A: War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength

Martin EnderMathematica, 84 bytes (x="war""peace")(y="freedom""slavery")(z="ignorance""strength")/#/.x->1/.y->1/.z->1& Explanation More "arithmetic" with strings! As in the linked answer, this is based on the fact that you can "multiply" strings in Mathematica which will leave them unevaluated (similar t...

It may sound like I am joking but I am honestly surprised Mathematica did not have a "quotes" built-in
03:15
@AshwinGupta what do you mean?
@DJMcMayhem nvm
sigh nvm my way wont work
you cant kill system critical tasks VIA cmd prompt
only via GUI
thats just retarded.
It makes sense, for security reasons
though that GUI app is doing it somehow
@Downgoat =/
@Downgoat Now thats true
nothing is open source though
and I don't think task manager is really an "app"
its pretty much part of the OS
you can always see what ASM instructions are sent
@Downgoat how? I need a binary debugger I assume?
03:19
well yes
can you reccomend one?
I've never used one so IDK any
  PropertyHead -> Identifier . #lookaheads= . [ ( ) ? ,
  TypedIdentifier -> Identifier .: PropertyExpression #lookaheads= ? ) ,
  TypedIdentifier -> Identifier . #lookaheads= . [ ( ) ? ,
LR parsers are evil >:|
Did you run your command prompt as administrator?
@AshwinGupta sorry, no idea
@feersum yup
@Downgoat its cool, thanks for the idea though I might see
03:23
What task do you claim to be abel to kill with GUI and not command prompt?
smss.exe
@AshwinGupta taskkill /f /im smss.exe /t ?
@TrojanByAccident nope doesnt work
03:25
I can kill explorer.exe with cmd
non-admin
well explorer isn't system critical though is it?
It restarts
If you kill it, the taskbar, etc, pretty much everything is gone
yes ik but it doesn't CRASH
so I mean that won't work.
03:26
true
its a good though though
I tried wininit also
same issue as with the other
@DJMcMayhem I am having problem: w command is jumping whitespace I don't know why can you help :3
What GUI program did you use to kill smss?
I found the built-in task manager wouldn't do it, but one called "Process Hacker" could.
Does Windows even have a concept of kernel mode programs
03:41
Hello
@Downgoat caps lock? :P
nope >_>
either way W only does up to first whitespace charcter I thought
@feersum That's probably the problem then
Someone please help me I think I am going to go crazy with bison spewing nonsense conflicts
Is learning to use bison actually easier than writing a parser?
03:45
@Downgoat oh, I think I misunderstood. Example please?
It is supposed to be
@DJMcMayhem this is where it did the weird:
    : VARIABLE <cursor is here>TypedExtension '?'                    -> new node.FunctionArgument(@$, [$1, $2], true)
then I click w and it goes to the ->
@feersum See that's what I said!
@quartata I'm not sure about that; I think taskkill may only have a hard-coded list of processes you shouldn't kill.
this only happens in visual block mode btw
I thought you were using Jison at any rate
03:46
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Q: Best sources to learning Computer language? (websites, etc)

DarkLink LeoI sjsjI began with Linux, I also learning to do phython, Java and learned some HTML

@NathanMerrill How close are you to finishing the docs for KoTHComm?
@feersum that's dumb
Linux is my favourite Computer language.
My favorite programming language is HTML
I have heard too many people say this
does bison have option to change lookahead length
> You should try somewhere else like Quora or Yahoo Answers with this
Brutal
03:49
LR(0) and LR(k) are equivalent
wait how
doesn't it narrow down what it can reduce to with higher k
@Downgoat At the risk of stating the obvious, have you tried :xmap w?
*LR(1)
stupid mobile editing grumble grumble
@DJMcMayhem Hey that's what I do
That didn't take long.
RIP random person.
03:51
@ATaco That's not true, first-timers aren't usually regarded as bad
Well they are, but not on the degree you're hinting
@Dennis Holy smokes did you just destroy that user?
I didn't mean to say it was bad, I was hoping for simply not accepted.
@quartata I think they deleted the account IDK
Which, they normally aren't.
@ATaco That's SO for you there
That question would get nuked to the ground on SO
03:53
@Qwerp-Derp They can't do that by themselves
@quartata They can't?
Who did it then
at least once a question has been posted
That's why I pointed them to CodeCademy.
@ATaco Eww CodeCademy
It's not for that person anyway
@Qwerp-Derp Die. CodeCademy is amazing.‮
03:54
Interesting question, how did we all learn to program? What started us?
Okay maybe don't die.‮
They already knew a handful of languages anyway, CodeCademy is going to ignore that and go "This is how you do stuff in this mystical world known as coding".
You can do worse than CodeCademy
@ATaco School robotics club
I learned Python there
@quartata Why would I do that.
03:55
Code.org, anyone?
@ATaco I had a friend who liked to code, showed me Scratch.
@Dennis I don't know
@Pavel please nuke your post
I don't even want to see that
I personally started with Gamemaker.
@ATaco That was my second experience
03:55
@ATaco Really? I'm just starting to learn gamemaker right now!
6, Perl. Still scarred for life.
GML is actually a pretty featureful language.
My first experience was Python, when I was in 2nd grade
03:56
First Experience was GML, second was Python.
As far as I know, deleted questions don't count.
Has anyone heard of Sploder?
First experience in actual coding was scratch, second was Python 2(still the best python imo)
@Dennis Ah. More than one post. Forgot, sorry
Back in my day Python 3 was a mystical and unheard of concept.
03:57
@TrojanByAccident Ayy Python 2 > Python 3
Python 2 was Python.
@ATaco Am I allowed to make a "back in my day" joke?
I just thought of something horrific
That was the joke
I started with Lua not long after Python, and I found myself preferring it.
What if Jon Skeet... deleted his account? *large audible gasp*
03:58
"Back in my day, we used to use rocks on sand for programming!"
"Back in my day, we tested for bugs by opening up the casing"

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