The Nineteenth Byte

Pavel

09:00

Well, if you're using it for production, then a golfing language is definitely considered esoteric. On the other hand, for writing short scripts, many people here actually use golfing languages our of convenience (because they're shorter), while esolangs are usually just really complex.

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel Well, after I finish writing an interpreter for it, I'd like to submit an entry to 99-bottles-of-beer.net using the golfing language that I made. The three options for submitting are Real Language, Esoteric Language, and Assembly Language. I was wondering which to select

Pavel

Esoteric

Anonymous

@TrojanByAccident Typically, yes

TrojanByAccident

Alrighty

Also, does a language have to be turing-complete to be used on PPCG?

Anonymous

An esoteric language is one that aims for something other than usability as its main goal. Having programs be as short as possible definitely qualifies as esoteric.

Pavel

09:06

No

TrojanByAccident

I see.

Pavel

The requirements are that it has to have a way to represent tuples and be able to compute if a number is prime

Anonymous

@TrojanByAccident No

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel Tuples?

@Mego Thanks for the link

Pavel

It needs to be able to represent an arbitrary amount of ints

Basically, if you can assign stuff to variables, it counts.

TrojanByAccident

09:09

Ah

Yeah, I'm actually working on that atm

We've got basic math down, though

Pavel

Also accepted are stacks, queues, BF-like memory tapes, etc.

Anonymous

Got a link to the language implementation?

Pavel

My post has one upvote, two downvotes, and 3 stars.

WTF

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel The upvote and 1 star were mine :P

I thought it was an interesting post

@Mego The interpreter?

Pavel

Interpreter and spec, preferably.

TrojanByAccident

09:14

We don't really have a spec atm e.e

Anonymous

@TrojanByAccident Yeah. I'm interested.

TrojanByAccident

well, you can check us out on github, here and here

The interpreter on the website is broken I think

it's not completely the programmer's fault though, he's a python programmer that made a js program

lol

Pavel

Considering that Nor gates are enough for turing completeness by them selves, it's not that hard to make something TC.

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel really?

Pavel

Yep

esolangs.org/wiki/FerNANDo

TrojanByAccident

09:18

but yeah, I need to push my updated version of the interpreter to the website, and upload some specs

@Pavel interesting.

Anonymous

I'm pretty sure that the specification in instructions.md describes a TC language

Anonymous

(meaning that if the implementation matches the specification, it will be TC)

Pavel

We have a word for languages like FerNANDo: Turing-tarpit.

TrojanByAccident

@Mego it does, but we need an interpreter first for it to be valid on PPCG, and so I was wondering if I would be able to use it before it's proven TC

Anonymous

You have while loops, addition, subtraction, I/O and stack manipulation. That's enough for implementing brainfuck, which is TC.

TrojanByAccident

09:21

mhmm

Anonymous

@TrojanByAccident You don't need to prove it TC to use it on PPCG, but it should be fairly easy to do so.

TrojanByAccident

hmm

Pavel

Also, if you ping @Dennis, he'll add it to Try it online!.

5th try to get URL correct ;-;

TrojanByAccident

alrighty

Pavel

(Here's the link to the GitHub)

@Mego Any more issues with codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/106068/… ?

(I prefer the trial-by-fire method of fixing posts)

TrojanByAccident

09:26

@Pavel I'm going to attempt to move and update some of the stuff from there to github.com/PigeonScript/

I feel like having a /// interpreter builtin

idk why

Pavel

So, just to be clear, when Dennis wake up, from where would he pull PigeonScript?

@TrojanByAccident You should look through TIO's available languages. If you select one, you can click the language name to learn more about it. All the esolangs you've never heard of.

A lot of them made by PPCG members.

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel Atm, from nowhere. Maintenance is needed on the repos :\/

Destructible Watermelon

yeah this is going to be a pain to program

Pavel

@DestructibleWatermelon So, once every few hours, you pop into chat, display a message about how your programming task is so hard, and then leave again.

Destructible Watermelon

sorry

I'll try to stop doing that

Pavel

09:41

No it's fine

It's too quiet here.

Destructible Watermelon

I'm thinking of using a dictionary

Pavel

Give this post a downvote and a star while you're at it.

Destructible Watermelon

done

Pavel

09:55

@DestructibleWatermelon You weren't supposed to actually do it. Or was that not you?

Destructible Watermelon

?

what do you mean was not supposed to

line from my program

Pavel

It was a joke

Destructible Watermelon

shots_fired = {} #!!!!!

Pavel

Because the post has 3 stars, 2 downvotes, and an upvote

Except it has 3 downvotes now

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Do you know about dual spaces? I'm astonished how many seemingly unrelated facts show that L2 is a very special case among the Lp spaces!

@Maltysen Why do you get 1/2?

Oh you're only integrating over 1/8 of the circle!

Pavel

09:59

Is sudo rm /dev/* valid linuxing?

flawr

@Maltysen the red formula is correct, the one for the circle however not quite, I think you want to use the unit circle, which has radius 1 (not 1/2)

@Maltysen Compare to this

TrojanByAccident

agh

@Pavel atm, I have code that will report false for all invalid id's

but it can't output the sequence

:/

Pavel

What are you trying to accomplish?

TrojanByAccident

Me?

Pavel

Yeah

TrojanByAccident

10:06

your code-golf

flawr

@LegionMammal978 great, tahnk you!

Pavel

Oh, cool!

Well, part of the challenge is parsing the page.

TrojanByAccident

yeah

:P

btw, now that @Dada has posted an answer proving it can be done, you will likely receive more upvotes

...as it gets another downvote?

you know what, I give up on trying to understand why people are downvoting

I'm going to sleep

gugtn, everyone

Pavel

There's a tendency to downvote something if you see that others have done so.

TrojanByAccident

yeah :/

Destructible Watermelon

10:09

what about that bumpy lamp one? that got downvoted hard

Pavel

Which one?

Destructible Watermelon

squiggly lamp actually

3

Q: My Squiggly Lamp

While moving, I broke my lamp. Now, I need a new one. It's your job to make me a lamp! I'm not sure what size I want, though I know I want a squiggly one. Your program/function must take in a number input, and print out a lamp with that many squiggles/bumps. Examples: Input:2 Output: /--\ ...

anyway, 10 downvotes

and it was in the negative at one point

Pavel

+13/-10

Wow.

Kritixi Lithos

My first question on PPCG has 10 downvotes

Pavel

My second has -8

@KritixiLithos No, nothing here shows negative votes.

Kritixi Lithos

10:17

+91 -10 = 81 votes

Pavel

Oh

Mine actually has +6/-14

All the activity on it happened while I slept, and no one told me during the day that 'string representation of an array in the format {a, b, c}' is bad.

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