The Nineteenth Byte

ais523

00:01

so for example, in regular Prolog you can do something like member(4,[A,B]).; the only way to write that in Brachylog without an infinite loop involves creating the list [A,B] first and then passing it to member, because if you put the constraint that it contains two elements to the right of member (i.e. e), you'll get an infinite loop as e generates progressively longer lists

Pavel

00:19

@HelkaHomba I think worst math support has to go to Scratch.

Nathan Merrill

54 mins ago, by Nathan Merrill

If we take the first line of code: func f(_ z:Int,d:Int=1) -> [Int] { there are 3 offending characters: the I in Int, the ), and the =

Pavel

Actually, worst anything support goes to scratch.

Helka Homba

@Pavel Cute mascot though

Pavel

Yeah. How's last year's time capsule challenge coming along?

Helka Homba

ten elevenths done

maybe

Pavel

00:35

How long is the string?I can't imagine too many people participated. Can you really make anything investing with it?

Also, I'll guessing everyone tried to throw in a special character leaving little to no digits/letters

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

it's only ASCII

Destructible Watermelon

yo

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

o/

ais523

@Pavel many esolangs likely have it beaten, although maths is something that most languages are fairly good at because in the worst case you can often construct it by hand

out of higher-order functions or the like

INTERCAL is one of the worst languages I've ever seen at string handling, though

Pavel

Printable ascii or could someone have thrown a null byte in there?

quartata

00:46

Printable ASCII

redstarcoder

Yeah null bytes are a no, otherwise I could save lots of bytes :)

Pavel

~~~~||~*&|^[}<]$$@

We're up to 12 langs in the 2017 time capsule btw, including two by downgoat.

H Walters

The C Preprocessor's pretty bad at string handling; and counts as a language

Pavel

Doesn't it just count as C..?

H Walters

No, the C preprocessor in itself is distinct from C

Pavel

01:00

I don't C (too young), but what can you really do in it?

H Walters

A lot more than what many people think; but using it as a language IMO counts as esoteric

Not sure how to answer "what can you really do in it"...

Pavel

*goes to Wikipedia for C preprocessor* and here I thought CPP was just C++ for people who don't want to reach the + key. Huh.

H Walters

Here's a tic tac toe example

El'endia Starman

My vague understanding of the C preprocessor is that it allows you to to create shorthand snippets of code that expand to proper C code when preprocessed.

H Walters

You have to reprocess it for each move (but it tells you the next command line)

(The need to rerun the CPP here is driven by the fact that CPP has no input commands, outside of passing macro definitions on the command line)

Pavel

01:06

Is there a difference between #include and other languages import? I heard somewhere that there is, but it seems to do the same thing.

H Walters

#include is standard CPP; #import is I believe a deprecated gnu cpp extension

ais523

@Pavel #include is a textual substitution, it basically copy-and-pastes the header file into your code

whereas imports are more commonly done at the level of parse trees or links, rather than source code

this means that you can do things like changing the meaning of a header file by placing #defines before the include

Pavel

You know what, time to learn C. Tomorrow. (I get to start work on 🍣 today)

Destructible Watermelon

C is eso...

ais523

it's also worth noting that #include doesn't affect the linker at all: all it does is declare functions for you, but you're still responsible for actually linking them to your code

Pavel

01:09

There's a difference between eso and outdated.

ais523

you could just write the declarations out by hand to get the same effect, but #include is more convenient

H Walters

Well, not quite

ais523

(so for example, #include <math.h> doesn't exempt you from having to use -lm on the linker command line to actually link in the mathematical routines)

(all it does is declare sin, cos, etc. for you)

H Walters

Yes, but that's just a conventional usage. There's nothing stopping you from #include-ing a function body, or even half a function body

Pavel

o_0

ais523

01:11

right, I'm talking about what the standard headers do when included

H Walters

Nothing besides... fear of getting beaten up at code reviews

ais523

it's basically just a copy-and-paste, though, so you can include arbitrary portions of a program, it just isn't normally very useful

Pavel

I need to learn more languages.

H Walters

The whole #include thing is a throwback; its usage is outdated, but it's too integrated in programs to change the momentum. A more modern approach to what #include is used for is to do modules.

ais523

well, I guess you can think about things this way: one strength of C is that it runs on basically anything

and this is a major selling point for it

so you want to keep the semantics as simple as is reasonable in order to make it easier to implement, and as stable as possible to avoid breaking implementations once they've been written

Pavel

01:15

Isn't that Java's selling point?

It'll even worth on your toaster?

ais523

no, Java's "write once run anywhere", the idea is to make the binaries as widely portable as possible

H Walters

@Pavel Yes, that's true of Java as well. The key difference, though, is that C is a systems level (or "middle level") language, and Java is high level

ais523

(even then, there are three dialects, Java SE, Java ME, Java EE, which aren't compatible; SE is what people normally mean by "Java" on sites like PPCG, the toaster would probably only run ME)

C aims for source code compatibility instead, but runs on basically everything, much more than Java does

H Walters

Java's compiled to its own virtual machine (the JVM); C's compilation is almost in itself assembly

ais523

(what language do you think the Java implementation for the toaster was written in?)

Destructible Watermelon

01:17

for my koth should shooting and looking still be diagonal if moving might not be?

Pavel

Looking, but not shooting.

ais523

Java (especially SE) is also a lot more focused on OS compatibility than C is; in C, about the most you can say about the OS is that there's probably a stdin, stdout, stderr, and some sort of filesystem (but you can't make assumptions about how the filesystem works)

H Walters

@Pavel At a high level to give you an example, if I'm using C to program on linux, I have access to all of the libraries defined in the C standard. But I also have access to any library installed on my system; pretty much anything in /lib or /usr/lib or /usr/share/lib etc that I have a header for.

Pavel

I wonder how much effort was put in by the engineer who designed a file system for our hypothetical smart toaster.

@HWalters which means writing programs to be compatible for different kinds of systems is a ton of effort, since you can't make assumptions about those libraries?

H Walters

@Pavel In theory yes; in practice, it's a little more complex than that anyway

There are external standards that are loosely followed on many systems (e.g., POSIX stuff; or pthread specifically)... you can still write compatible code in C by adopting to this (and using macros to get around small differences, or other facilities like autotools)...

Pavel

01:25

It always is. Even in Java I still can't expect my program to run perfectly on windows and Linux without coding for that.

H Walters

...and on the other side of the pond, the theoretical assumptions you "don't" have to make in Java sometimes bite you anyway.

Pavel: That's absolutely not true

Even something as simple as opening a file can get you into trouble

Pavel

C:/

And everything breaks

H Walters

Java has facilities to, say, use the file path separator on your particular system... but you have to use it, and things look different anyway

Destructible Watermelon

anybody want to help me make this koth in floobits?

H Walters

Yes, great example. On windows the paths use \`. You can use the path separator to make sure you have the right separator, and a C:\` path from windows becomes C:/ on linux... but on linux, C:/ is very likely to be meaningless

Qwerp-Derp

01:30

Hello

Pavel

Hi

Destructible Watermelon

@Qwerp-Derp hi!

H Walters

Anyhow, now I need to try to plan how to compare two graphs...

Pavel

I'll be home in around an hour, then I need to unpack, then I can work on things.

@HWalters for a challenge?

H Walters

@Pavel For a checker for a potential challenge

Qwerp-Derp

01:31

Does the syntax look alright?

hackmd.io/…

Destructible Watermelon

should bots not spawn near enemy bots?

redstarcoder

Even bots don't like to be spawn-killed

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleWatermelon Probs yeah

Destructible Watermelon

Spawn kills are unlikely

Pavel

Especially with one shot melee.

Destructible Watermelon

01:32

you're more likely to be killed by a just spawned bot

Pavel

No one likes being instantly killed for no reason either.

redstarcoder

Yeah that

Destructible Watermelon

yeah ok, but you have to be cautious either way right?

also instakills not as prominent as in shooters

Qwerp-Derp

imgur.com/a/AoGJX

Destructible Watermelon

so I reckon bots can't be in line of sight of enemies

Pavel

01:34

@Qwerp-Derp what's the difference between a list and a set?

Qwerp-Derp

Uhhh a set only contains values that aren't being repeated

So like {1 2 3}

But a list can have repeating values

[1 2 3 4 1 2]

I don't think dictionaries matter in my language

H Walters

Lists are also arbitrarily ordered right?

Qwerp-Derp

Lists have order, I'm still deciding if sets have order though

H Walters

That was going to be my next question

Destructible Watermelon

sets have no order

lists with no repeat should be injective lists or something

Qwerp-Derp

01:36

Clojure has nice comma-less lists and sets

Pavel

I know the difference mathematically, but lists just seem more useful overall.

Qwerp-Derp

[1 2 3]

H Walters

Yes; either sets have no order, or you have separate unordered sets, if you like performance

Qwerp-Derp

Should I just make it so that sets have no order?

Destructible Watermelon

yeah

Pavel

01:37

Yeah.

Can they be infinite?

Like in Haskell

Destructible Watermelon

@Qwerp-Derp wat

Pavel

But defined by a sequence.

Qwerp-Derp

What can be infinite?

Pavel

Collections

El'endia Starman

The sets. I.e. {x^2 | x from \Z}

Qwerp-Derp

01:40

Oooooh

That could be nice

Destructible Watermelon

what would an implementation of mandlebrot set be like?

Pavel

I forgot what that is...

Qwerp-Derp

But I'm thinking if they should be ordered or unordered

Pavel

I just remember pretty pictures

Unordered

Like the proper mathematical definition of a set.

Qwerp-Derp

Should sets be ordered?

H Walters

01:42

If he's deciding between ordered and unordered sets, this implies sets are defined by members. Sets such as infinite sets above and mandelbrot sets seem to be defined by membership functions, am I right?

Pavel

You can do all the set theory calculations.

El'endia Starman

The Mandelbrot set is defined by those complex numbers c where the infinite sequence z0, z1, z2, ..., defined by z0 = 0, z_{i+1} = z_i^2 + c, is bounded in magnitude.

@HWalters Well, ordered sets can be useful if you want to preserve order but remove duplicates.

Maybe something like a queue, but you only have each item once.

owlswipe

@NathanMerrill Oh gosh. But I can't declare a number (INT, DOUBLE, OR FLOAT) without using I or O!

So I guess I give up here.

Pavel

Byte

El'endia Starman

@Pavel Did you mean to say, Gee, that bytes.? :P

Pavel

01:46

You can define a number as type byte without I or O in many languages.

@Qwerp-Derp at this rate CMQ is going to become a math processor.

Qwerp-Derp

@Pavel I think it's drifting away from sequences

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman ♪ ♫ ♬ Just take a point called C in the complex plane... let Z1 be Z squared plus C!

3

Qwerp-Derp

The Ackermann function is a "sequence" right? That is very wrong probably

I thought of it as a sequence with two numbers

ais523

I'm not sure there's any agreement on what the Ackermann function specifically is

there's general agreement on the basic way it works but details such as which order the arguments are in, 0-indexing versus 1-indexing, etc., don't seem to be fixed

Pavel

What if a sequence is, rather than being the equivalent of a function,a third type of collection?

ais523

01:50

anyway, the normal way to make it into a sequence is to take the diagonal

Pavel

Ordered, infinite.

Qwerp-Derp

Ooh

Pavel

You can check membership, find the nth element, etc.

Qwerp-Derp

I think it's just a maths-based language now

Pavel

Membership checking might be a little difficult.

Qwerp-Derp

01:51

Should we use () for sequences?

Or <>?

<> might be weird though, because less than and more than

Anonymous

@ais523 The 2-argument version is essentially equivalent to the 3-argument version - the only difference is that the same information is encoded in either 2 or 3 arguments.

Pavel

() is used in a lot more places though

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Q: Compute the Wilson score interval

The Wilson score interval is a confidence interval of the probability of success, based on the proportion of successes in a set of Bernoulli trials (a Bernoulli trial is a trial in which exactly two outcomes are possible: success or failure). The interval is given by the following formula: The...

Anonymous

Think of it like the 2-argument version being a basis, and the 3-argument version being a coordinate space where the 3 coordinates are not linearly independent (and thus only describe a 2D coordinate rather than a 3D coordinate).

Pavel

Instead of <,>,== for comparison you can use a,b which returns -1 1 or 0

Since lists are delimited by spaces, not commas, commas open up for use.

Qwerp-Derp

01:54

@Pavel Parsing those lists would be pretty difficult though

So function parts are delimited by semicolons

And arguments are delimited by commas

Just so parsing it won't be so hard

Nathan Merrill

@owlswipe yeah, its going to be really hard in most modern languages

Qwerp-Derp

I kinda want to get rid of commas entirely

Pavel

Function arguments can be space delimited too.

Qwerp-Derp

Hmmm, but that would be difficult for parsing though

I think the lang looks pretty nice now, the only hard thing now is to parse it

Pavel

Why? A space isn't different from a comma.

Qwerp-Derp

01:58

So what are sequences again? Infinite lists basically right?

@Pavel Actually I don't think it's so bad now

Pavel

Pretty much. I'm thinking of a way to check sequence membership.

Qwerp-Derp

Should we make them defined by functions?

Pavel

I think that's the only good way.

How do you calculate if n is in sequence X?

Especially since it's not strictly ascending.

This is harder than I thought.

Qwerp-Derp

Hmmm that might be hard though

But if we can pull it off it'll be awesome

Pavel

I wonder if mathematica does it somehow.

Nathan Merrill

02:05

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I just saw your bit primed challenge, and I think its my favorite of yours

nice job

Pavel

@Qwerp-Derp there actually isn't anyway to do it. Even ignoring non-pure functions, there would need a way to automatically solve every conceivable function. Mathematica can do it with Reduce, but it frequently takes multiple seconds and is likely beyond our capabilities alone in one year.

Qwerp-Derp

@Pavel Shouldn't we just do it for finite things (e.g. lists, sets)?

We could let the user get finite sections of sequences

Pavel

Yes, but sequences can't be collection types themselves.

Haskell has some infinite list support, but all it really amounts to is an open ended range function.

Qwerp-Derp

Should we use [start:end] for getting stuff from lists/sequences?

Or something like [start to end] with to being a keyword?

Nathan Merrill

@DJMcMayhem I like your post on the meta answer-chaining post, but I actually am leaning the other way. Do you care if I quote you?

Qwerp-Derp

02:15

@Pavel?

SE should have open-source highlighting API for languages IMO, because every language's highlighting is borked

3borked5me

Pavel

Seems like a good idea.

Qwerp-Derp

Which idea?

Pavel

: Is used for sequence definitions

So to

Qwerp-Derp

Ah

Pavel

The obvious advantage over lists is you can store a million elements without much memory.

Also the results of the function could change as other parameters change, with also modified the sequence.

I just got home,I need to unpack and stuff from my trip.

Ttyl

PhiNotPi

02:23

> Mandelbrot Set, you're a Rorschach Test on fire
You're a day-glo pterodactyl
You're a heart-shaped box of springs and wire
You're one badass fucking fractal

@Doorknob ^ what even is this

Doorknob

An amazing song, that's what. :D

Qwerp-Derp

Guys what do you think of this: hackmd.io/…

DJMcMayhem

@NathanMerrill of course not. Go for it. :)

Nathan Merrill

nice timing

I had just finished up writing it

Nathan Merrill

03:03

has anybody used ZeroMQ?

El'endia Starman

I haven't, but they use it at my work, apparently.

Nathan Merrill

I'm considering adding support for it into KoTHComm

it seems like a good alternative to allow for cross-language communcation

but I'll only do it if I can make it easy for answerers to use it

Downgoat

@Qwerp-Derp Looks great 👍 but I think would be even better wit matching braces

Destructible Watermelon

yo I'm back

Downgoat

Question: would you rather have UTF-8 strings or binary strings

Nathan Merrill

03:13

a binary string is standard ascii?

LegionMammal978

Fun fact: Only 13 1933 double eagles are in existence

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill like Cs strings, merely an array of bytes. They make binary processing much easier but string processing harder

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat UTF-8 strings with implicit cast to byte array

Nathan Merrill

Right. As far as I know, the biggest disadvantage with UTF-8 strings is O(N) charAt(int n)

or, more commonly, substr()

because you don't know the binary length of each UTF-8 character

Pavel

On the other hand, non-shit Unicode support.

Nathan Merrill

03:20

right

Pavel

Personally,I prefer the Unicode support.

Nathan Merrill

I think the difference is: are you writing a high-level language, or a low-level one?

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill you mean binary strings? With UTF-8 strings multibyte characters are abstracted as one

@NathanMerrill high level, cheddar

Nathan Merrill

then do UTF-8

Downgoat

they are Buffers for binary processing but stringgs are easier to work with IMO

Jester Tran

03:21

Hi guys

Hw

Pavel

Hi

Destructible Watermelon

hi

Pavel

Haven't seen you before

Jester Tran

How do I get information from the Discord App? Like, I want to write a script that logs people's activity on Discord

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat right, but underneath it all, every string is a bunch of binary. With C-style strings, you can do simple math to get the Nth character. With UTF-8 style strings, you need to step through each character

Jester Tran

03:23

I wanna start basic: when they are online and when they are offline

LegionMammal978

I mean, it probably doesn't matter

Jester Tran

Possible in Shell?

Downgoat

@JesterTran I don't know but NSA might be able to help you

Nathan Merrill

I'm not sure if anybody here has really done stuff with Discord here

LegionMammal978

You'd need a string many, many gigabytes in length before O(n) vs. O(1) becomes a problem in this instance

Pavel

03:24

@JesterTran ask in a stack overflow chat room.

Jester Tran

Thanks

Nathan Merrill

@LegionMammal978 its not just the length, but also how many times you do it

Jester Tran

i cant find it @Pavel

Nathan Merrill

like, if you're doing lots of string processing, and doing a substr operation on it, it can make a big difference

LegionMammal978

@NathanMerrill And if strings are immutable, their lengths (both binary and char count) can be cached

@NathanMerrill Then you should be using C/C++, not Cheddar :P

Downgoat

03:25

:(

Nathan Merrill

right, which is why I asked if it was high level or low level

It makes a Cheddar JSON-parsing library much slower

Downgoat

Working on making Cheddar compile to C/C++ after stealing implementation details from quartata yesterday

Nathan Merrill

well, maybe not? You could literally step through the characters, and do it that way

LegionMammal978

@JesterTran Perhaps this could help?

Pavel

Jester Tran

03:27

@LegionMammal978 ooh thanks

thanks @pavel

Pavel

@Downgoat UTF-16

Nathan Merrill

make a string abstraction

and have like 20 implementations for each string type

Pavel

How's that work?

Nathan Merrill

just define an interface with all of the common methods

Pavel

So a string literal's type is determined by content?

Nathan Merrill

03:33

not sure about literal strings

quartata

03:44

@Downgoat I didn't even give you any impementation details lmao

What I described was super vague and won't help at all

But thanks for discouraging people from talking design with you :P

Downgoat

@quartata D:

Pavel

UTF-16, I tell you.

Conor O'Brien

I want UTF-256

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien But why

Conor O'Brien

for science

Anonymous

03:53

Mathematica is a wonderful juxtaposition of awesome and gross :D — Greg Martin 15 secs ago

Anonymous

Truer words are rarely spoken

Pavel

There is only awesome

Nothing gross

I don't know what you're talking about

quartata

04:27

It kind of bothers me that not a single indie game won a Steam award

I suppose Goat Simulator comes from a fairly small company but they were a shoe in for that category anyways

Anonymous

@quartata It's almost like the category was made for that game

quartata

The rest were triple A games though, and I can't believe GTA V won two awards

@Mego I almost voted for Stardew Valley just to be contraire

Anonymous

Civ would've been a much better choice for Five More Minutes

Anonymous

Just Cause 3 would've been a good pick for the Farm Animal one

Anonymous

The unholy things you can do to cows in that game...

Anonymous

04:31

KSP should've won Boom

quartata

Absolutely

Anonymous

@quartata Stardew should've won the hipster one

Helka Homba

CMC: Make a list of the factors of pos int N

Anonymous

DS3 is the obvious choice for Love/Hate

quartata

CS 1.6 should have won test of time

TF2 maybe.

Anonymous

04:33

I would go for TF2 over Skyrim

Anonymous

Skyrim shouldn't count because it just had the remaster release

Anonymous

Skyrim was released in 2011. TF2 is from 2007.

quartata

Plus Skyrim got the workshop

Hell GMod is from 2004

Anonymous

Age of Empires 2 takes the cake, though - 1999

quartata

Warcraft 3 is still decently alive I think

Anonymous

04:35

Granted it had an HD remaster in 2013, but still. 17 years and still wololo

quartata

Not Steam though

Anonymous

Yet another set of awards that I don't agree with. Oh well.

quartata

Why dd GTA V win Game within a Game

Anonymous

Golf

quartata

GMod had that so on lock it's not even funny. I call BS

Oh well.

Anonymous

04:37

I dunno if I would count GMod. It's less "game within a game" and more "lots of games within a 'game' that the entire point is to build other games"

Anonymous

That would be like Mario Party winning Game within a Game

Downgoat

@Mego TIL goat abuse is good use of goats :'(

Anonymous

@Downgoat I don't actually know if there are goats in that game. I only saw the horrible things done to cows.

Helka Homba

@SE Request: Preview goes beside textarea instead of under it when writing posts on wide displays.

Or I'll just give someone a goat if they make a userscript that does that

Downgoat

@Mego they are, at least for the couple seconds they are alive before being brutally murdered

@HelkaHomba YES. I'll have it in ready 24 hours

Helka Homba

05:19

Ok. Done, for better or worse, @Doorknob @EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ @zyabin101 and whoever else was asking

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Q: 2016 Time Capsule String: How Versatile Is Your Language?

About a year ago on Dec 31, 2015, I had the idea that: We should make a time capsule string. Everybody gets to add one character and next new years we'll see who can make the best program out of all the characters with the esolangs that exist then. Doorknob graciously collected characters f...

string code-challenge number restricted-source quine

8

Qwerp-Derp

Hello!

Helka Homba

Unwritten rule: @Doorknob and I are allowed to answer but not win since we knew the characters

Pavel

I'm back at a computer

It's been over a week

This is a good feeling

I feel good about life

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba Hooray

Pavel

Oh yeah, that too.

No clue how to answer any but the first challenge

I don't really esolang

At least someone stuck a space in.

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Q: 2016 Time Capsule String: How Versatile Is Your Language?

About a year ago on Dec 31, 2015, I had the idea that: We should make a time capsule string. Everybody gets to add one character and next new years we'll see who can make the best program out of all the characters with the esolangs that exist then. Doorknob graciously collected characters f...

string code-challenge number restricted-source quine

Helka Homba

At least I can blame everyone else if none of the challenges are possible ^.^

Anonymous

There were 74 characters and none of them were semicolons?

Anonymous

RIP C/C++/Java

Pavel

The fact that you only have on space doesn't throw you off?

Qwerp-Derp

What if everyone submitted a / or something for the time capsule

RIP everyone

Except maybe ///

Pavel

05:31

Also, no closing curly brackets.

I think having only one space is what really kills it for practical languages, really.

H Walters

Nice! Checker's written and seems to work (at least good enough to check the examples)

Qwerp-Derp

I think I've covered everything

hackmd.io/…

What should I write a sample program for?

H Walters

Hey... it was mentioned here, and it'd be a great first test...

...why not just generate an ASCII Mandelbrot set?

Conor O'Brien

@NewMainPosts I've tried 4 different languages and got stuck on 2 or 3

>_<

Anonymous

Yeah, it's not easy

Anonymous

05:44

The character set essentially requires an ASCII-based golfing language

Anonymous

The first part is considerably easier than the rest

Conor O'Brien

it isn't helped by the fact that there are only 37 unique characters

Anonymous

There are 95 printable ASCII characters. We managed to get 37 of them.

Anonymous

Each of the 37 shows up twice on average

Pavel

@Qwerp-Derp Hello, world!

Anonymous

05:46

And not a single one of the 74 people who responded decided to include a semicolon

Conor O'Brien

or a close }

Qwerp-Derp

@Pavel out("Hello, World!")

Anonymous

I'm pretty sure the space was my contribution

Qwerp-Derp

Whoa no close }?

Seems like the perfect job for CMQ

But the chars are really restricting

Anonymous

But that was a year ago, and I don't remember

Conor O'Brien

05:46

I'm pretty sure I added a tilde

Pavel

Has to exists before new year's in UTC+14

Conor O'Brien

@HelkaHomba If you wanted to have more activity on it, you could allow for a user to add a certain collection of characters to the capsule string, then choose the winner based on the smallest set added. The true winner would be one who fulfilled the originally challenge.

Anonymous

A lot has happened in a year. 2(?) TNB regulars got married, Alex flew away to go to bird school again, we graduated, and we got ignored more by the SE overlords.

Qwerp-Derp

Fib(n)->{n in[0 1]:1;#(n-1)+#(n-2)
out(red(conv(range(input())(n)->{Fib(n))(a b)->{a+b))

Let's see if you can figure out what this program does

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien I dislike this suggestion. I like the fact that it's extremely hard.

Conor O'Brien

05:49

@Mego hm, true

spoken out of frustration I suppose

maybe something to consider if 2018 rolls around and there's still no answers

DJMcMayhem

@Mego only two? I thought it was more than that

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Martin and I both got married (not to each other of course). I think there might have been one or two others but I don't remember.

Anonymous

@Geobits No more skull?

Anonymous

Oh, looks like I'm a few days late on noticing

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